From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #98 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, February 27 1999 Volume 04 : Number 098 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hejira envy [catman ] Re: JONI IN AUSTRALIA [jan gyn ] Lauryn Hill (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] who's listening? [Strummed@aol.com] NJC reach your representative ["Ryan Lantrip" ] Re: Fave Concerts, Loud concerts (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] Re: Night Ride Home- (jc) [Ginamu@aol.com] RE: Lauryn Hill (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: NJC reach your representative [Michael Yarbrough ] Degrees of insanity...(NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Woohoo...Joni and me in Japan! ["Marsha" ] Re: Hejira envy/ Gutsy Joni Questions [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Hejira envy/ Gutsy Joni Questions ["Marsha" ] chinese cafes [Kate ] sandy denny (njc) [patrick leader ] night ride home! (jc) [patrick leader ] Elton John (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] joni singing gershwin [patrick leader ] JC-ish: Tattoos are like tattoos [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: NRH ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Joni? pic in Denver's "Westword" ["Deb Messling" ] Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah [MP123A321@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:36:12 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Hejira envy Don Rowe wrote: > Colin writes ... > > >Maybe I am just too straight nowadays. > > Well this is certainly a VERY different and totally unexpected sort of > "coming out", now isn't it? ;-) always full of surprises, Don. Keep em on their toes(or knees?) > > > Don Rowe > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:41:10 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: JONI IN AUSTRALIA >Gerald McNamara wrote: >> I'll never forget the excitement as the house lights went down >> and the curtains opened to the sound of that all-electric rock band >> launching into "Free Man In Paris". There was Joni, centre-stage, >> with a Les Paul. >A Les Paul? Are you sure? I'm not doubting you; it's just that it's one of the heaviest guitars made, and I've never seen a photo of her with one. >RR Maybe it was the guitarist Les Paul! They did 'How High the Moon!' - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:36:37 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Lauryn Hill (NJC) In a message dated 2/26/99 1:36:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: > NP: Lauryn, "Doo Wop"(That Thing) If you can stay motionless to this one, > time > to phone the mortuary... > > Ok. I have a confession to make. I've never heard ANYTHING by Lauryn Hill - that's how far out of the mainstream my cultural interests and exposure lie..I haven't watched TV for at least 15 years nor listened to any radio other than my local, awesome radio station (no Lauryn Hill there), public radio and college radio ... BUT that does it...I love to dance and that song title just sounds too good! Gina NP: Golden Heart - Mark Knopfler ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:04:58 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: who's listening? hey? joni ? yes you joni mitchell ? are you listening? i was just sittin on the stairs thumbing threw an old magazine afetr getting the laundry started, sorry there not magdalenas, and couldn't help but wonder if any of this banter gets your attention? we reassure ourselves that it worthwhile of our time and energies. personally i think so. so you being the object of our desires and affections. passions and understanding, i could go on but what the hell? just had a crazy interogative if by any chance any of this stuff gets your attention ? like you, we've taken the chance to bear our souls on occasion to each other. especially me a new comer but devoted fan, listener and musician always trying to raise his own bar and reach the next plateau. how about a shout out? devotedly yours, CHRI$. p.s. my 5 and 9 year old know your music quite well. its almost like your already part of the family. welcome home. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 16:27:56 CST From: "Ryan Lantrip" Subject: NJC reach your representative Hello, A few weeks ago, someone sent in a post about internet service and to mail your Representative about it. I would REALLY love someone to repost the URL to where you can do this at, i think it was www.house.gov/-something- but can't seem to find it on the site Thank you in advance, RL ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:17:01 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Fave Concerts, Loud concerts (NJC) At 06:31 PM 2/24/99 EST, you wrote: > I saw Loggins & Messina in Arizona '72 on their first concert tour after > they released "Sittin' In". It was the most stupendous and exhilarating > concert I ever saw in college. They played like they'd been together for > years. My other top college concert was James Taylor in '71 - absolutely > flawless and riveting. >> > I saw Loggins & Messina around that time too. L&M and Billy Preston were the opening act for Delaney & Bonnie (sp?) who pooped the bed (i'm minding my manners tonight). They were fall down drunk. The concert was at SUNY Binghamton. While D&B were playing, I turned to my right because I couldn't help but notice how tall the guy was next to me and to my surprise it was Kenny Loggins! What a thrill for a teenager! SUNY Binghamton had many good concerts around that time. The ones that I saw were: Jim Croce with Jesse Colin Young Loggins & Messina again Frank Zappa (what a show!) Pointer Sisters Temptations Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:21:36 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Night Ride Home- (jc) patrick leader wrote: > i'd love to hear how night ride home hit the longest-term joni freaks, the > one's who've bought every album on release day. was it a relief after the > '80s albums? patrick Long time Joni lover here, though not "every album on release day". NRH was the first Joni record I bought since Mingus. Joni kind of lost me with WTRF, DED and Chalk Mark and brought me back with NRH. I love every song on it and played it constantly when it first came out. It is also the favorite of my daughters, who choreographed a dance to Night Ride Home and Passion Play (it was rather good). We love Ray's Dad's Cadillac and The Only Joy In Town (my kids used to sing "butterjelly black boy", so we visited art book and later the Met to clarify things a bit!) Slouching Towards Bethlehem gives me a little trouble because it is "based" on the Yeats poem The Second Coming. Joni wrote a beautiful musical composition, I think, but she stole whole lines from Yeats and added many of her own which just doesn't sit well with me, just as Joni's paintings affected some of the artists on the list who posted extensively about her exact copies of others' paintings. Not quite the same, but it affected me similarly, is all I'm trying to say. The credits say the song was "based" on a poem by W.B. Yeats but we are not told which poem. Further, I myself confused "based" with "inspired", the latter perhaps implying that it was totally original. When I read the lyrics, I knew it was a mishmash of Joni and Yeats and then referred to Yeats to compare. Well, the whole thing had me a bit worked up, though I am not suggesting she did anything wrong. Just sharing my thoughts. I do think the song fits in very nicely with the concept of the record as a whole and Joni's delivery is spectacular. I tried to rank at least my five favorite Joni albums and came up with 1) Hejira, 2) HoSL, 3) DJRD, 4) FTR and 5) NRH. NP: Je Suis Desole - Mark Knopfler, Golden Heart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:39:53 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Lauryn Hill (NJC) Gina confessed: <<>> Well, you can buy her album online for ONLY $8.99 at: http://www.musicblvd.com/ - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:47:37 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: NJC reach your representative Ryan asked: <<>> http://www.house.gov/writerep/ is the address. If you will be writing about reports of internet legislation the House is allegedly addressing soon, however, save your time. The reports were inaccurate. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:17:27 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: ...a lurker from the JMDL salutes you! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_920071048_boundary Content-ID: <0_920071048@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_920071048_boundary Content-ID: <0_920071048@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Strummed@aol.com Return-path: To: DreamZvil@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.orgN.J.C. Subject: Re: ...a lurker from the JMDL salutes you! Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 17:28:09 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit oh yeah, will got it didn't he sue ? always closed the show with a prayer. even if he had to kill some poor bastard." "no brag just fact". how about judd for the defence. alamedas jamming sue i just wish the musicians here got a better shake. actually i always thought that alameda was 1 of the countries best kept secrets. as far as a place to live and raise a family. the only other place i'd like to live aside from here is south lake tahoe, but until thats a reality, here we be. morro bay isnt to shabby. just passed through there notom long ago. ever hang out ragged point? big sur? to sir with love ? to love, well i better stop that i love going off on tangents. sounds like your talking about Mcgees bar with the apartments up stairs but it could be any # of a half dozen different places. your not the blond who i met on a.c. transit always trying to get me to play tennis with her are you? her name was susan also. worked in the city. so she told me. you just never know anymore do you ? j/k. waiter ? going to cut this short but will get together some time soon online or otherwise ok ? yours musically, chri$. n.p. galactic cowboys,"at the end of the day" - --part0_920071048_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:36:39 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Re: Questions, queries and (drama) queens Some burning questions of the moment! 1. Why do so many listers hate Ray's Dad's Cadillac with a vengeance? I like it very much indeed. 2. Why has it taken me so long to think of the Kilauren refs in Morning Morgantown and (less convinced but still willing to believe!) Chinese cafe? Any other songs with non-obvious meanings folks can think of? 3. Why do people bemoan the Grammys? Come over here and enjoy (not) the Brit Awards where the unbelievably dire Natalie Imbruglia unbelievably won 2 awards, inc best international female! Even beating Madonna! At least lauren hill and lucinda w got Grammys. And I just have to tell everyone - cos I'm so excited - and I'm not speaking tongue-in-cheek for once - that I got my PhD today, so I'm officially "CLEVER"* and people better show mucho respect for my eminently intellectual and sagacious postings from now on! Thanks for being a fab list (oo, I'm all overcome with emotion!) Love Dr Paul XX *Anyone who believes this is mad, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 20:15:17 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Questions, queries and (drama) queens In a message dated 2/26/99 5:54:26 PM Central Standard Time, paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk writes: << And I just have to tell everyone - cos I'm so excited - and I'm not speaking tongue-in-cheek for once - that I got my PhD today, so I'm officially "CLEVER"* and people better show mucho respect for my eminently intellectual and sagacious postings from now on! >> Congratulations, Dr.Paul! You *should* be excited!! Bob, with a lowly BA in Bus. Mgmt. from NC State ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:08:44 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: PhD (NJC) (ABC, it's easy, easy as 1, 2,3) Sorry, guys, I just couldn't help myself with the title. After I wrote PhD, NJC, the Jackson 5 song just popped into my head!!! Paul wrote: << And I just have to tell everyone - cos I'm so excited - and I'm not speaking tongue-in-cheek for once - that I got my PhD today, so I'm officially "CLEVER"* and people better show mucho respect for my eminently intellectual and sagacious postings from now on! >> Paul!!!!! That is WONDERFUL!!!!!! Mucho Congratulations!!!! Hugs, Ashara {bowing very low} ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:10:32 EST From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Re: Mark Knopfler/What Gina Had Playing (NJC) In a message dated 2/26/99 10:35:53 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << NP: Je Suis Desole - Mark Knopfler, Golden Heart >> I just thought - what a cool title! It means "I'm sorry" in French (of course). Taken more literally, it would be "I am desolate." I'm looking forward to hearing this - new stuff by Mark? In love & light, Susan of Dreamzville ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:14:08 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Questions, queries and (drama) queens paul tyrer wrote: > > Some burning questions of the moment! > > 1. Why do so many listers hate Ray's Dad's Cadillac with a vengeance? I > like it very much indeed. I think RDC is a great song! It seems some people have a problem with Joni trying to lighten up a bit. This song has great lyrics and it always makes me think of going for 'flights' when I was living in a dorm in college. This involved piling into somebody's car to go smoke weed (it was a risky proposition in a dorm room although it was done - a lot). One of my favorite night flights was to drive by the Waterloo, Iowa airport. All those blue lights were really far out, man! Mark in Seattle (anybody got a roach clip on 'em?) CONGRATULATIONS, PAUL! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:18:15 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: (NJC) Questions, queries and (drama) queens At 08:15 PM 2/26/99 EST, you wrote: > >Congratulations, Dr.Paul! You *should* be excited!! > >Bob, with a lowly BA in Bus. Mgmt. from NC State > > Bob - is that a Bitimus Assimus degree? ;-) Nothin' lowly about a BS!!!! and to Paul ..... a HUGE congratulations!!!! Let's see .... you won't be starting a radio show will you now, Dr. Paul? Heather with a MS - Multomus Smartimus? more like Manymus Screwloosemis (this is what happens when the wine is reeeeallll goooood) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:47:20 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times Marsha wrote: > Subject: Joni interviewed in todays' Times > > > > >http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1999/0226/fea.htm > > and paints a sad picture...still mad at her momma .............. and > now > Kilauren has "ostracized" Joni. She admits to what seems like > a deep guilt at her early success coming on the heels of giving > up Kilauren due to her poverty. What a difficult thing for all now, > to try to put it in context 34 years later to foster forgiveness and > bonding that might just not ever be. > Yep, I think that house now on the market is a residence rejected by > an angry daughter...the house Joni couldn't provide for them in > earlier times is symbolic of maybe something like a too-little (at an > $800,000.00+ asking price!) too-late sort of gesture coming back > to bite her? I can not speak for Joni & Kilauren, but As someone who was adopted (at birth) and reunited with my birth mother at the age of 29, I think I can offer one more bit of insight into the struggle of the birth mother-daughter relationship....and I'll try hard to be brief. I am very much like my birth mother; we share many things things in common. We were naturally very excited to meet and are now very close friends...we chat every day on line, etc. But -it has not been an easy road. Like Joni, my natural mother was shipped way out of her home-town and shamed into an unwed mothers home. She was young and couldn't afford to keep me. She never had any other children. When she met me her whole world changed and, well, she wanted to be my mother. It was too late; I already had a mother. What about Kilaurens adoptive mother? Why don't these people ever get mentioned in these stories? I am someone who detests secrets and lying, and yet I have to keep my wonderful relationship that I have with my birth mother as something of a secret from my adoptive mother. She would feel jealous and insecure and hurt and rejected if she knew the contact I have with my birth mother. How would it have looked if Kilauren had moved into that house? ....................... .....my curser has been blinking for 8 minutes....I guess that's really all I wanted to say....for now. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:22:53 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Degrees of insanity...(NJC) In a message dated 2/26/99 8:23:30 PM Central Standard Time, luvart@snet.net (Heather) writes: << Bob - is that a Bitimus Assimus degree? ;-) Nothin' lowly about a BS!!!! >> Or...smartimus assimus?, no that would be "SA" If "BA" didn't stand for Bachelor of Arts, it would be "Beer And"...pizza, bowling, poker, movies, music, you name it, that pretty much defined my collegiate history... The Bobster NP: Lucinda, "Concrete and 'Bobbed' Wire" :^D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:25:02 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Woohoo...Joni and me in Japan! Hey listers, Check out this fine page by our long-time member from Japan, Manno Toshikazu, (who kindly traded me a Joni video for some CD's last year). He put up my Joni&Me photo from November, when I got to wish her a happy birthday. See us at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/7219 go to Japanese version, then down to second section, "News and Whats New" (red letters), click and voila! Wow, Manno got that up within minutes of receipt... we are famous in Japan!!! And he has some great concert photos of Joni on his site. (And how many months have you had our photos from Chicago and Atlanta concerts, Les?) Marsha, learning HTML as fast as I can for my little place in net space ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 22:27:31 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira envy/ Gutsy Joni Questions In a message dated 2/26/99 2:35:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, docnurse@voy.net writes: << You all don't know how close I came to asking Joni as she was signing my Hejira vinyl cover for me in November, if she realized the speculation about that "illusion" (drool) she created...but I just could not do it. >> Now *there's* a new thread. If you had the guts to ask Joni ANYTHING, what would it be? Oh, c'mon now..fess up. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:07:24 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times In a message dated 2/26/99 9:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, durflink@epix.net writes: << What about Kilaurens adoptive mother? Why don't these people ever get mentioned in these stories? I am someone who detests secrets and lying, and yet I have to keep my wonderful relationship that I have with my birth mother as something of a secret from my adoptive mother. She would feel jealous and insecure and hurt and rejected if she knew the contact I have with my birth mother. How would it have looked if Kilauren had moved into that house? >> Lisa, That is my pet peeve about this whole thing too. Where are the adoptive parents in this whole thing? What about their feelings? This is getting away from JC, but I was just wondering why you have to hide your relationship from your bio mom. My kids are adopted and I'm thrilled that they will be able to meet their bio family when they get older. My 13 yr. old just initiated contact and I'm really happy for them. To be honest, I feel a tiny pang in my heart that now I have to share her, to some extent, but she is entitled to know her roots. And our relationship is such that I'm not worried about losing her to her bio mom. Let me know if you want to talk further in private email. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:06:36 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Hejira envy/ Gutsy Joni Questions Terry in her dreams wants: >Now *there's* a new thread. If you had the guts to ask Joni ANYTHING, what >would it be? Oh, c'mon now..fess up. 1. Joni, is your friend Betsy, the ex-Mrs. Asher? 2. Did you really piss a tequila anaconda the FULL length of the parking lot? 3. What is your easiest open guitar tuning and song for a crummy novice like me? 4. Will you ever offer a public sale of your paintings while alive, or do we all have to attend Sotheby's and try to outbid WirlyP for those million dollar canvases after your demise? 5. Can I come live with you? (I make really good Apple Oink, fried green tomatoes, and I DO NOT STEAL nor want a Jaguar in the drive). M of P ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:41:55 From: Kate Subject: chinese cafes I'm alittle younger than Joni, but I grew up in the same kind of small town that Joni did, in Saskatchewan, and in every one of them there was always the Chinese Cafe with its booths and jukebox and it's where the teenagers would go spend their dimes and hang about. Joni would have been one of those teenagers I thought were so cool, and I could never figure out where they laid hands on all that money either! KKKKatie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:40:17 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: sandy denny (njc) bob wrote >To this day, the only Denny I've heard is her vocal on this record, which sounds fine. I can't pass judgement on the rest of her work, although I've only heard good things about her. bob, you are a lucky man. pick up the her greatest hits, i promise you won't regret it. one of the best voices of the folk-rock generation. patrick np - tavener - the protecting veil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:30:02 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: night ride home! (jc) wow, cool to get home tonight and read all these wonderful thoughts on the album. i of course brought it to work today. a couple of quick thoughts. gina wrote about slouching: >she stole whole lines from Yeats and added many of her own well she actually contacted the yeats estate and got permission to set the 'the second coming' to music, including changes, so it was done honourably, at least. i don't think she actually added any lines, just repeated some that don't repeat in the poem and changed the order of others. sacrelige to to the poetry fans, i suppose, but she created one of the finest moments in an album full of them. i'm happy. kakki thought the album had been made during break-up but i've always thought night ride home was partially a snapshot of the best times in their marriage. the title song is such a simple record of a wonderful night for two people very much in love. the photo shoot that created the artwork for the album was a collaboration on what sounded like a joyous road trip to saskatoon. just in general, there's an awful lot of joy there, even with its darknesses. and in its production, it feels like the highest achievement of the klein/mitchell collaboration. and besides, joni said at the grammies that turbulent indigo was made 'in a state of divorce'. i hope they weren't in that state for six years! several people thought it did seem like a return to simpler times. it is, i guess, but i really hear the detail, the obsessiveness of the production (and i love it). the sound is so carefully shaped, song after song. found sounds that are used are always impeccably chosen and mixed in. and the variation, from song to song, is part of what keeps the album entertaining. once in while, in a big blue moon, there comes a joni like this... patrick silence ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 00:54:10 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Elton John (NJC) I know everyone's finished with their best/worst/loudest/ etc....concert posts, but I just had to chime in tonight. Although seeing Joni in Atlanta this past November is still the best concert I've ever been to, I just got home from one great concert. Living here in Ft. Myers, FL, we seldom get any big name artist for the concerts. The city is still talking about the wonderful performance last June by "Steve and Edie", Well tonight we were graced by Elton John. I've seen him a couple of times before, but they were always in big stadiums with 60,000 people or more. He prefomed tonight at a fairly small venue (7500 people). It was just Elton and his piano. He played for almost 3 hours, and with the same enthusiasm as he had twenty years ago. I'm just so happy right now, this lurker just had to share with this great discussion list. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:07:49 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: joni singing gershwin i think it was brian moss (welcome!) asking about this. she has been talking a lot about doing an album of standards, and has been singing a couple on tour. the song you've been hearing is from a very current album, 'gershwin's world' by herbie hancock, and we've been praising it to the heavens on this list. joni sings 'the man i love' and 'summertime', there're some great other guests and just some of the sweetest piano you'll ever hear. highest recommendation. just a couple of days ago simon posted an incredible review from the current 'downbeat' (still on the stands, with brian setzer on the cover) with huge praise for joni. and here's this snippet from a recent interview with hancock. jm was interviewer jim macnie, hh is herbie (thanks, simon, again...) JM: Were you in the room when JONI MITCHELL was recording? HH: Yeah, we were live. JM: Her voice gets to some really surprising places. HH: It sure does. If you hadn't seen her name on the listings, you never would have guessed she's on the record. Noboby guessed it. How could they? She...blew...my...mind. She had recently sung an Ellington song with an orchestra on some show in Canada, and when she finished she said she was on cloud nine. Said that it stimulated the original juices she had for the old standards that she did before she got into folk music. I was talking to her on the phone and she started singing the Ellington piece, and I'm hearing what is to me this new Joni Mitchell! My mouth fell open. I wanted to say, "Joni, I've heard you hundreds of times; we've performed together. I didn't know you could sing like this!" But that would have sounded weird or might have been misinterpreted. And that's when she told me about her influences. She told me that growing up, before she was writing folk music, she was writing poetry and listened to Miles and Mingus and Billie Holiday. Of course now she loves Wayne Shorter. So it was very natural for her to do this project. patrick np - gershwin's world ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:44:43 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: JC-ish: Tattoos are like tattoos Great article -- thanks for passing it along. Here's a question: If you were to get a Joni-type tattoo, what would it be? (And you may tell us where, if you like!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:13:07 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: NRH I loved NRH immediately, and yes, it did seem a relief after DED and CMIARS. I guess this was the first time I really noticed her "deteriorated" voice, but I liked the fact that the vocals were warm and bright and upfront again, not washed out by a lot of techno mishmash. The album was extremely melodic, and I appreciated that. I guess the weak point for me was the lyrics, which to my ear were less compelling than her best work -- with the exception of Passion Play. It was TI that best displayed Joni's lyrical genius, IMO. > > Patrick wrote: > > > > << i'd love to hear how night ride home hit the longest-term joni > > freaks, the > > one's who've bought every album on release day. was it a relief after > > the > > '80s albums? was it still overproduced? had her voice deteriorated > > too > > much? >> Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:15:03 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Joni? pic in Denver's "Westword" "Not flattering" is kind. It looks like Frances the Talking Mule. > I think it's Joni- check out the hair pulled behind her ears and the > earrings. Even the shape of her ears. Not flattering, but still... Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:39:21 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Madonna acknowledges Joni,Chrissie and Deborah I got this from a Pretenders list ...ready girls????... http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/lofi/ Madonna Expresses Gratitude For Major Grammy Win In post-awards appearance, diva pays homage to pop forebears. Senior Editor Matt Melucci, Contributing Editor Teri vanHorn and Senior Writer Gil Kaufman report: Madonna seemed unimpressed with the talk of the 41st Annual Grammy Awards being all about the Year of the Woman. "The year of the woman?" the four-time Grammy winner jokingly pondered backstage during a post-awards press appearance. Scrunching up her nose at the suggestion, Madonna instead took the opportunity to pay homage to her forebears in pop while expressing gratitude for her first major Grammy award in the Best Pop Album category for Ray of Light. "I have to say I followed a lot of incredible women myself," Madonna said. No longer sporting her geishalike performance outfit, the singer had changed into a form-fitting white tank top and beaded purple pants to meet the assembled press, her eyes highlighted by geometric patterns of hot-pink makeup. "I followed Deborah Harry [of Blondie], Chrissie Hynde [of the Pretenders] and Joni Mitchell," Madonna said, "and I hope that many more follow me as I followed them." - - snip - Maurice ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #98 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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