From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #97 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, February 26 1999 Volume 04 : Number 097 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NRH [evian ] Long-awaited TTT [evian ] Re: Night Ride Home- (jc) [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Kings X...on JDML [Strummed@aol.com] Joni interviewed in todays' Times [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - Full Text (Long) ["Kakki" ] Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody [RMuRocks@aol.com] Irish Times On Joni & Chieftains ["Twomey" ] Re: Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody [MGVal@aol.com] Re: "The Battle of Evermore" (SJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Night Ride Home on Rays Dads Cadillac- (jc) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Grammy Night (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni? pic in Denver's "Westword" [Lisa Durfee ] Request: NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Joni? pic in Denver's "Westword" [TerryM2442@aol.com] RE: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - Full Text (Long) [Michael Yarbrou] Re: rock and roll soundtrack [Debra Kaufman ] Re: rock and roll soundtrack [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Night Ride Home- (jc) Klein/Lewy [Don Sloan ] Re: Night Ride Home ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Grammy Night (NJC) [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - Full Text (Long) [Strummed@aol.co] Re: NRH [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Hejira envy [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Night Ride Home [Randy Remote ] Re: JONI IN AUSTRALIA [Randy Remote ] RE: Night Ride Home [Michael Yarbrough ] Fwd: Wednesday Morning Wisdom... [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Request: NJC [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Hejira envy [catman ] Re: Night Ride Home ["Marsha" ] Re: NRH ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Night Ride Home [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Night Ride Home [Randy Remote ] Re: Hejira envy ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Hejira envy ["Marsha" ] Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times [jan gyn ] Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - Full Text (Long) ["Kakki" Subject: NRH > Patrick wrote: > > << i'd love to hear how night ride home hit the longest-term joni > freaks, the > one's who've bought every album on release day. was it a relief after > the > '80s albums? was it still overproduced? had her voice deteriorated > too > much? >> > Well, I loved NRH when I first heard it, and I did think it was a relief after CMIARS. I like that album, but it already seemed dated when NRH was released. I never could get into WTRF, but Dog Eat Dog was, and is, a fave. I really love DED, and I kinda wished that Joni would have "painted another starry night" with that album. However, when I got NRH, I couldn't believe it... it was like Joni was going back to Blue, C&S, Hegira... all the albums that I loved the most. The title track, "Come in From the Cold" (which was actually given a lot of radio play here), and "nothing can be done" were the standouts for me, especially "nothing can be done". Now, 8 years or whatever later, I still am in love with Nothing can be done and Night Ride Home, but Cherokee Louise and Slouching Towards Bethleham are also faves. Basically, NRH is an album without a dud on it to me, and so, to answer the question, it DID mark a return to earlier stuff for me. However, I didn't find it overproduced... sounded just right to me! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:15:37 -0600 From: evian Subject: Long-awaited TTT Oh yeah, get this one... I come home tonight, and get this call from a record store, saying the cd I ordered was in. After thinking about it, I realized they were talking about TTT!!! It took them FIVE MONTHS to get it in!!!! So, I told them, after laughing, that I bought it in Saskatoon a week after I ordered it because there was no reason for it to take a week to get a new release in. The ditzy person said "oh", and I imagine they are firing it back to where it came from, instead of putting it on the shelf.... sigh.... Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 03:50:17 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Night Ride Home- (jc) know this and pay me later. my kids love rays dads cadillac. finito. andiamo. don't let tony the masher and part time tank commander hear you chipping on rays dads cad. i'd have to tie the 5 year older up. CHRI$ (has spoken) polite applause from the back of the hall. thank you !!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:06:10 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Kings X...on JDML excellent qoute. liked it enough to write it down . i know the sports bar of which you speak . my cousin works across the street at j. millers florists and shes 1 freaking great singer the dear girl has got some pipes. ask her about KINGS X. but know i'm always carping about KINGS X the band based out of houston texas. they really get it for me. also met them twice and their just unbeleivably cool. come on down to the tuesday night jams some time in alameda at the minnow on the corner of grand amd clement streets. always good to see and hear some new blood. bring your musician freinds. freinds with money. freinds and their women. women and their money. the taxi cab driver you beat for a fair once anybody just show up. thanx for asking , CHRI$ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:23:03 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Joni interviewed in todays' Times http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1999/0226/fea.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:55:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - Full Text (Long) Thanks - this is one of the more revealing Joni reviews I've read. For those who don't have internet access, I've copied the text below. >http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1999/0226/fea.htm She's one of those rare recording artists who cantruly live up to both sides of the term 'singer-song-writer'. She's also one of the few who have written songs destined to outlast the instant inanities of pop culture. Guitarist, pianist, producer, composer, painter - oh, yes, and singer Joni Mitchell talks to Joe Jackson "Songs are like tattoos," said Joni Mitchell in the title track from her 1971 album, Blue. She was right. If you peel away from Joni's own flesh three songs that span nearly the entire length of her recording career - Little Green, Chinese Café/Unchained Melody and Keep In Touch - you will see one prayer. Namely: an invocation to the daughter she gave up for adoption in 1965. The sense of being branded as a result of bearing a child out-of-wedlock also enables Joni to "identify, deeply" with the women she writes about in The Magdalene Laundries, on the Chieftains' new album, Tears Of Stone. "I know what it is to be stigmatised from that experience but I wasn't incarcerated," Mitchell says, speaking on the phone from her home in California. This is one of the relatively few interviews she has permitted since Rolling Stone "stigmatised" her, circa 1970, by describing her as a groupie. "The Magdalene Laundries song came about because I read that the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity, in Dublin, had sold off land which led to the discovery of graves marked `Magdelene of the Sorrows' or `Magdelene of the Tears' but didn't have the names of these women. And I could identify with that because when I was pregnant and looking for an institution to hide away in, I went to places like the Salvation Army and I was refused. I ended up living in the attic of a Chinese white slaver and, finally, was warned `get out of there, he's just waiting for you to give birth'. It was fraught with peril; an attic room with no heat and half the banister rails gone, from the previous tenant burning them for warmth." Joni, born Roberta Joan Anderson in Alberta, Canada was 22 at the time and completely alone. "And completely broke in a strange city, Toronto, where I knew no one. Because I had to get out of my home town to protect my mother, protect her reputation," she explains. "Later, my mother, who is Protestant-Irish, asked why I didn't turn to her and I said `I was in enough trouble already, why would I turn to you? You're the last person I'd tell' ." Mitchell was recently reunited with her daughter, Kilauren, though this process is "difficult", she says. "Right now she's going through some changes and she has ostracised me, so there's much we haven't worked through. I was prepared for that in the beginning. It's fairly typical. But it came quite late. It's not a fairy tale! It's life. Convoluted." Keep In Touch, which relates to Kilauren in the sense that it focuses on "the beginning unsteadiness in a new relationship" is a track from Joni's latest album, Taming The Tiger. Little Green, more directly rooted in the pain of the original loss of her daughter, comes from Blue, the chillingly self-revealing album that made Mitchell a seminal figure in the singer-songwriter movement of the early 1970s. Indeed, her towering status in this genre is probably only matched by Bob Dylan, whose song Positively Fourth Street first inspired her to compose music. "That's where I picked up the gauntlet," she says. "I always wrote poetry but only when I was emotionally disturbed, like when a friend committed suicide in high school, or whatever. But I also loved to dance, so lyrics didn't matter. Tutti Frutti was fine by me! Yet when I heard that Dylan song, I thought `oh, my God! You can write about anything in music!' It was a revelation. But Blue I wrote because I had to. I was emotionally disturbed, again. I'd given up my daughter for adoption, out of poverty, not having the money to feed and clothe and put a roof over her head. Then a few years later, suddenly, I had a house and the means. And I became a public figure. The combination of the two made me begin to withdraw, go inside, question who I was, write more honestly. And if I found something I thought was universal I would write about that. "I became a seeker. But I was also contemptuous of the pseudo spirituality in music at the time and realised that if I was to discover any illuminations it would be best to present them in a character that was drawing off myself, vulnerable and lost. I never was setting myself up as a guru! But from Blue onwards I did become a witness of my life, looking for things I thought were pertinent, reflecting the broader social struggle I saw all around me." So it has continued. Though fans who found it easy to identify with the "confessional" nature of albums such as Blue or Court And Spark definitely had greater difficulties with Joni's more externalised "illuminations" on sadlyneglected works such as The Hissing Of Summer Lawns. The music has evolved from what she once described as an "Anglo-melodic" base into the area of avant garde jazz and rock experimentation. Equally innovative, though rarely praised, is her piano and guitar playing, with the latter defined by the kind of polyphonic harmonic structures that make most of her peers sound like primitives. Add to this a singing voice that is meticulously focused, and you have one of those exceedingly rare recording artists who really can live up to every element in the equation: singer-songwriter. "All of a sudden things are being noticed," she says. "I am being recognised as a guitar player. And I never did receive praise for my piano playing. Mostly it was for the lyrics and, even then, everything was compared, unfavourably, to Court And Spark. But the first music that actually inspired me to make music was Rachmaninov's Variations on A Theme by Paganini. "So when I began to write my own melodies they had this sad, romantic quality, even though I had absorbed a lot of rock'n'roll. And, in coffee houses, the sound was definitely Irish-influenced, the ballad, melodic, usually minor keys, like the songs on Tears Of Stone. That's what I started out singing. Then, later, I worked with Charles Mingus and so on. "But the challenge was to synthesise all these musical `heads'. And how this affects a song is that the music comes first, for example, and provides the rhyme form. I don't work from an iambic pentameter mentality. If you write like that it's Dylan, a folk-style structure, not my style at all. " Joni Mitchell is both a songwriter and a painter, who won a Grammy not just for the music on her 1994 album Turbulent Indigo but also for its artwork. The synthesis of these two particular art forms is most obvious in songs like Car On A Hill and Harlem In Havana. "The difference is that I write my frustration and I paint my joy!" Joni explains. "But, yes, such songs are very much influenced by painting. In Car On A Hill I had Tom (Scott) play the horn like passing cars. I am a pictorial thinker. This separates me from pop musicians, makes me more of a classical musician or a painterly musician like Debussy. Joe Sample (pianist) was on Trou- ble Child and I said `you're just playing notes, can you play more like a wave, arcing back in on itself to illustrate the line "breaking like the waves on Malibu" '. Wayne Shorter has played high heels clicking on stones for me. He takes to this kind of instruction like a champ, knows exactly what to do. And he plays off a lyric, in terms of onomatopoeic instrumentation. But very few players I've worked with can even conceive of that. And I never use a producer, never let the compositions get away from me in the studio." Given that she adheres to such a strict aesthetic it is hardly surprising that Joni Mitchell, in the title song from her latest album, refers to a radio that "blared so bland/Every disc/A poker chip/Every song/A one night stand/Formula music/Girlie guile/Genuine junk food for juveniles." Obviously she intends her songs to "stand" not just for one night but for, at least, a century, to be works of substance diametrically opposed to such dross - "tattoos" that are permanent. "What's selling these days is like a degenerate version of what our generation created. Bob Dylan's son is not as good as Dylan but he outsells him twenty-to-one," she says, laughing mischievously. "Then again, there was this cartoon, which I didn't see, but my friends did. It was based on Taming The Tiger, I think. It had Jewel reading her poetry and the stars behind her spell out `this sucks'! I shouldn't laugh but her stuff is insipid! And all the animals are all around her in this cartoon and a unicorn takes out a knife and tries to commit suicide while she's reading this poetry. Then a tiger pounces on her and drags her off and all you see are blood spurts. Then I come on and say `don't it always seem to be, that you don't know what you got till it's gone?' and the animals all start dancing and everyone's happy! "It's a dark laugh I got out of that, but I needed it. Particularly at a time when I feel so disillusioned with the music business I want to just get out of it altogether. So, yes, one consolation in all this is knowing that my songs will outlast a lot of the `junk food' that's out there these days." Tears of Stone, by The Chieftains, is available on the BMG label. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 05:55:50 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - -----Original Message----- From: philipf@tinet.ie To: joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 4:28 AM Subject: Joni interviewed in todays' Times > >http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1999/0226/fea.htm Wow, Philip and all. A very revealing article...some new things she has not voiced publicly. The conditions she describes during her last months of pregnancy/confinement sound absolutely horrific, with elements of her physical safety and security fears voiced like I have never seen in any other interviews. She is sandwiched between generational struggles right now and paints a sad picture...still mad at her momma (not chancing turning to her with the shame of her condition in 1965 and speaks of it like she still has not resolved conflicts with Myrtle), and now Kilauren has "ostracized" Joni. She admits to what seems like a deep guilt at her early success coming on the heels of giving up Kilauren due to her poverty. What a difficult thing for all now, to try to put it in context 34 years later to foster forgiveness and bonding that might just not ever be. Yep, I think that house now on the market is a residence rejected by an angry daughter...the house Joni couldn't provide for them in earlier times is symbolic of maybe something like a too-little (at an $800,000.00+ asking price!) too-late sort of gesture coming back to bite her? Just speculating here with the timeliness of it. I hope Joni's getting nurturing somehow. She sounds as if she is asking for a form of it she cannot get from her blood. On a lighter note, friends did tell her about the SNL "TV Funhouse" parody cartoon televised 2 weeks ago, where Jewel was skewered and Joni praised. It delighted her. Marsha, feeling shamefully voyeuristic right now...you will too after reading the article and pondering some of this ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:01:06 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody In a message dated 2/25/99 9:06:14 PM Central Standard Time, mark-n- travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << Anybody else ever get this? Is it evident to everyone & I'm just the densest person in JMDL-land? >> Mark, I remember the first time I heard the "Chinese Cafe" lyric, I thought it was very clever, almost funny (not knowing about Joni having given up a child). After I learned that story, the lyric instantly became unbearably sad. Now I think it's funny when people refer to WTRF as Joni's "Happy Record"... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:40:09 -0000 From: "Twomey" Subject: Irish Times On Joni & Chieftains Hi all, Try this link for todays article & interview with Joni in The Irish Times: http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1999/0226/fea4.html Sean :-) Kate Bush News & Information http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/katebush.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:52:56 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody In a message dated 99-02-26 07:05:02 EST, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: > >Mark, I remember the first time I heard the "Chinese Cafe" lyric, I thought >it>was very clever, almost funny (not knowing about Joni having given up a >child). After I learned that story, the lyric instantly became unbearably >sad. For me, "Chinese Cafe" was my "aha!" moment vis-a-vis Joni being a mother. The album had just come out in 1982. I was 23 years old, my daughter Signe had just turned 2. I was a single mother, juggling full time college and two part-time jobs and trying to figure out how to nuture myself when all the while I had this little person constantly nipping at my heels. During my worst times, I would often indulge in my "what if" game and one of the "what if's" included "what if I had given Signe up for adoption." Somehow that game ran concurrent with listening to "my child's a stranger....." and I thought, "Ai yi yi yi yi! Joni gave a child up for adoption!" And scurried through my collection and gathered all these little clues: "Little Green," "Morning Morgantown," "The Dawntreader." I thought that Mark's comments on the interwoven "Unchained Melody" especially lovely and poignant. I only always took it as just "background" jukebox music in the Chinese Cafe, "we'd be dreaming on our dimes." MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:24:52 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Battle of Evermore" (SJC) In a message dated 2/25/99 6:07:58 PM Central Standard Time, David.Wright@oberlin.edu writes: << Hey! And what do you mean, Denny's voice sounds "fine"?!??!?? That's damning with faint praise, that is! ;) >> Sorry...didn't mean that at all...I only read about Fairport Convention, none of my friends were ever into them, the radio never played them, so I never heard them. To this day, the only Denny I've heard is her vocal on this record, which sounds fine. I can't pass judgement on the rest of her work, although I've only heard good things about her. PS: Thanks, Kakki for printing the Irish News piece - I was having difficulty connecting with the URL. Bob NP: Lou Reed, "Dirty Boulevard" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:35:16 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Night Ride Home on Rays Dads Cadillac- (jc) One thing for sure about this song. It has one of the most interesting timings of virtually any Joni song. Im a musician and I cant recall ever hearing one similar. Any body know what the time scale is?? marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:08:25 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Grammy Night (NJC) The Grammys are like the Bammy's (Bay Area Music Awards) and the Oscars and all the rest. These are simply the payback for conforming to the values of the clique that runs the sceene. They have less than nothing to do with what product was best or better or great or good. Its all a wire job. We as fans all think its about quality and art and imaginative genius. It isnt. If you dont cow tow to the "in crowd" you could be the greatest filmmaker or recording artist and you wont win beans.That is exactly why Coppola, Speilberg and Lucas LEFT Hollywood. They have won simply because the clique looks like a fool not recognizing a speilberg but look at some of the drivel that has won just as many awards as Speilberg. This is also why the music industry is in the pathetic state that it is in which half the leaders on Billboard are over 40. Years ago there was no one over 30. Now The Stones are still a monster and Charlie Watts is freaking 60. While Im on the subject of oldies but goodies check out the link to John Lee Hooker from Shana Morrisons website, (www.shanamorrison.com) Im out. marcel d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:20:15 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: Re: Joni? pic in Denver's "Westword" Kate Tarasenko wrote: > Found the Kenny Be comic, with what appears to be Joni's likeness, on > the Web. You be the judge: > http://www.westword.com/1996/current/worstcase.html Oh Yuk. I'm hoping its Jewel... But it sure looks like the Miles of Aisles theatre... Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:51:55 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Request: NJC My neighbor wants me to order a Beach Boys box set for him from work. Trouble is, he doesn't know which one he should get. Anyone out there have any recommendations for this purchase? I'm not a BB fan, so I have nothing really to offer other than the wholesale price less my employee discount. Thanks in advance! MG np: where's my homework? where's my lunch? what happened to my socks? etc, etc, ad nauseum...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:00:33 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni? pic in Denver's "Westword" In a message dated 2/26/99 9:20:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, durflink@epix.net writes: << Oh Yuk. I'm hoping its Jewel... But it sure looks like the Miles of Aisles theatre... >> I think it's Joni- check out the hair pulled behind her ears and the earrings. Even the shape of her ears. Not flattering, but still... Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:26:43 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - Full Text (Long) Wow. She pulls no punches, does she? Those withering Jewel comments made me laugh, I confess. Still as an adopted child myself, I really wonder how appropriate it is to talk about your child ostracizing you in media interviews. Reunification, as Joni acknowledges, is a difficult process. It's made none the easier by the glare of the media. - --Michael NP: Who, _Who's Next_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:36:40 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: rock and roll soundtrack I agree with the rock and roll movie list, starting with a hard day's night. Someone wrote of a movie that ">had a pretty good soundtrack." If we get into that category, the best rock songs in a movie, bar none, are in Coming Home. Not only great songs but appropriately chosen, unlike so much pop music in film these days. Unfortunately there must have been copyright problems because a soundtrack never came out. A friend of mine put together the comp and made a tape for me (which unfortunately now is broken and I have to repair). It is SO GOOD. DK ****************************************************************** "It's not what you say, but mostly how you feel it." Tim Buckley ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:05:26 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: rock and roll soundtrack In a message dated 2/26/99 10:35:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, djk@math.duke.edu writes: << If we get into that category, the best rock songs in a movie, bar none, are in Coming Home. Not only great songs but appropriately chosen, unlike so much pop music in film these days. >> Sorry, if we go in that direction, I'd have to offer up "The Strawberry Statement" as the winner. For those unfamiliar, that's the film based on the book about the student uprising at San Francisco State College/University(?). Neil Young, Thunderclap Newman, etc. All the cutting-edge revolutionary acid rock of the late '60s. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:33:44 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: Re: Night Ride Home- (jc) Klein/Lewy Kakki and List... This is an interesting (and probably much-written about) point re: Klein's influence on Joni's *sound*. I could be mistaken, as I haven't looked recently at the credits on all the albums but I think when I started being gun-shy of new Joni music was when Henry Lewy left the fold. I believe he was much more than just the engineer on what I hear as Joni's best body of work.... e.g. see Joni's notes on the Hejira LP re: Lewy. Don Kakki wrote: After progressive sighs on > listening to Joni's work in the 80s, (which I did not dislike, but felt had > too much Klein influence), I was happily startled and thinking that she had > somehow returned to the "true" Joni in voice and style. I don't mean to knock Klein at all - and respect, > enjoy and don't fault her 80s work, but I always felt it was not entirely > her true voice or essence. NRH brought it back. Interesting also, to think > that she made NRH around the time she was breaking up with Klein. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:29:49 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Night Ride Home Hi Kate -- NRH is probably my favorite and most successful Joni "lure." There are at least two dozen people I've bought this album for as an introduction to Joni, and now they all either have her entire catalog, or significant portions of it! So if you want to spread the Joni gospel, there's not a much better way that I've discovered ... Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:38:32 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Grammy Night (NJC) a lot of truth to what you say marcel. awards or no awards your always going to stand by the artists that do it for you. i know i state the obvious. but for what its worth it's always nice, great and usually about time that certain artists get there do. awards sometimes reminds me of commercials you know? there like product knowledge. i know very little about lauren hill except what i didn't get to read in the rolling stone article. what i did see looked strong and possitive. i know the product but i dont know the product yet. make sense? and its' also not to say that her or any other artists are not deserving of what there awarded to. but i agree it smacks of corporate gladhanding etc. whos to know unless your actually inside negotiating your own deals etc. it's 2 worlds. the 1 they want you to see also known as image building and the reality of it all. i'm happy, pathetic, but debt free. now where did i leave that decanter of schnapps at ? anytime , CHRI$, jamming at the miinow on tuesday night with his toady croanies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:57:25 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - Full Text (Long) HEY KAKKI, you hit the super bowl grand slam Thnax big time x10. havent even finished reading it yet. udman. CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons) Subject: Re: NRH Being another longtime Joni fan, NRH was an encouraging sign of where she was heading. The first track that really grabbed me was Slouching, followed quickly by Two Grey Rooms, Come in From The Cold and Passion Play. I had seen Joni do Night Ride Home on Jim Henson's Fraggle Rock probably a year or so before the album came out so the first impression of that one was a lingering cutesy feel that I haven't really been able to shake. Lovely song but I wish I didn't see muppets every time I hear it now! Personally, I enjoy Ray's Dad's Cadillac too, it's Nothing Can Be Done that I prefer to skip over, it's just to bleak for me to handle well. I would have to say I loved NRH instantly as opposed to say, Hissing which took quite awhile to really sink in, or TI, that was so powerful that I couldn't listen to for more than a few songs at a time before needing something lighter. These three are probably in my top 7 Joni albums along with Hejira, DWRD, Blue and C&S. Oh man, how can I leave out FTR?! Well, we all know the dilema of listing favorite Joni albums, don't we? I got a question to pose to the list. Am I the only sick minded person out there that that on first glance of the Hejira cover it looks like a bejeweled, women's "play toy" is sticking out of her pocket instead of it being her wrist? LOL Later Penny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:32:34 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Hejira envy In a message dated 2/26/99 12:20:45 PM Central Standard Time, Zapuppy@webtv.net writes: << Am I the only sick minded person out there that that on first glance of the Hejira cover it looks like a bejeweled, women's "play toy" is sticking out of her pocket instead of it being her wrist? >> Nope, Penny, a couple of folks also "brought up" the same subject a while ago, so you're not alone...'course, it doesn't mean you're not a little sick minded just the same...;^) Bob NP: Lauryn, "Doo Wop"(That Thing) If you can stay motionless to this one, time to phone the mortuary... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:34:58 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Night Ride Home Am I the only one who would put this near the bottom of the list of Joni albums? I love "Two Grey Rooms", but the rest... it seems wordy without being very musical, and her voice not very good. Also at the bottom, DED, STAS, CMIARS. I suppose I will be run out of Jonitown on a rail now. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:40:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JONI IN AUSTRALIA Gerald McNamara wrote: > > I'll never forget the excitement as the house lights went down > and the curtains opened to the sound of that all-electric rock band > launching into "Free Man In Paris". There was Joni, centre-stage, > with a Les Paul. A Les Paul? Are you sure? I'm not doubting you; it's just that it's one of the heaviest guitars made, and I've never seen a photo of her with one. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:55:38 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Night Ride Home NRH is one of my top 3 Joni albums, along with _Blue_ and HOSL. Unlike those two, my love for NRH has to do with discrete songs rather than overall album accomplishment. NRH and CIFTC are so picturesque, "Slouching" so powerful, "Passion Play" so cerebral, "Two Grey Rooms," so comfortably melancholy. I'm not crazy about "Ray's Dad," though, and I find "Windfall" to be self-indulgent and catty. Maybe it felt good to record it, but it probably should have remained in Joni's personal vault. To me the songs on NRH are accomplishments of craft, while HOSL is an accomplishment of vision and _Blue_ and accomplishment of emotional communication. Of course, there are those who say _Hejira_ is an accomplishment on all three levels... - --Michael NP: Barry White, _All-Time Greatest Hits_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:57:36 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Wednesday Morning Wisdom... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_920055456_boundary Content-ID: <0_920055456@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_920055456_boundary Content-ID: <0_920055456@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: TryMaik@aol.com Return-path: To: Bsheeley@aol.com Cc: Strummed@aol.com, W@aol.com, WildmanTK@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Wednesday Morning Wisdom... Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:46:47 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_920055456_boundary" - --part1_920055456_boundary Content-ID: <0_920055456@inet_out.mail.aol.com.3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part1_920055456_boundary Content-ID: <0_920055456@inet_out.mail.aol.com.4> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: LisaBlier@aol.com Return-path: To: TryMaik@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Wednesday Morning Wisdom... 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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:28:26 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part3_920055456_boundary" - --part3_920055456_boundary Content-ID: <0_920055456@inet_out.mail.aol.com.7> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part3_920055456_boundary Content-ID: <0_920055456@inet_out.mail.ici.net.8> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:28:26 -0500 Received: from bajor.ici.net (bajor.ici.net [207.180.0.58]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id LAA13435; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ramc (d-ma-superpop-2-103.ici.net [207.180.42.103]) by bajor.ici.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26446; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:17:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001b01be6012$ba6f80a0$672ab4cf@ramc> From: "Rick C." To: "Bob" Cc: "Hal R." , "ANGIE HUDAK" , "Carol" , "Joan F." , "Jim Dillon" , "Mark M." , "Kim Souza" , "Kathy 'Mo'" , "Michael M." , "Neil Buchanan" , "Pat Judd" Subject: Wednesday Morning Wisdom... Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:28:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable A Story to Live By by Ann Wells (Los Angeles Times) My brother-in-law opened the bottom drawer of my sister's bureau and lifted out a tissue-wrapped package. "This," he said, "is not a slip. This is lingerie." He discarded the tissue and handed me the slip. It wa= s exquisite; silk, handmade and trimmed with a cobweb of lace. The price tag with an astronomical figure on it was still attached. "Jan bou= ght this the first time we went to New York, at least 8 or 9 years ago. She n= ever wore it. She was saving it for a special occasion. Well, I guess this is the occasion." He took the slip from me and put it on the bed with the other clothes we were taking to the mortician. His hands lingered on the soft material for a moment, then he slammed the drawer shut and turned to = me. "Don't ever save anything for a special occasion. Every day you're alive is a special occasion." I remembered those words through the funeral and the days that followed when I helped him and my niece attend to all the sad chores that follow an unexpected death. I thought about them on the plane returning t= o California from the Midwestern town where my sister's family lives. I thought about the things that she had done without realizing that they were special. I'm still thinking about his words, and they've changed my life. I'm reading more and dusting less. I'm sitting on the deck and admiring the view without fussing about the weeds in the garden. I'm spending more time with my family and friends and less time in committee meetings. Whenever possible, Life should be a pattern of experience to savor, not endure. I'm trying to recognize these moments now and cherish them. I'm not saving anything; we use our good china and crystal for every special event - such as losing a pound, getting the sink unstopped, the first camellia blossom. I wear my good blazer to the market if I feel like it. My theory is: if I look prosperous, I can shell out $28.49 = for one small bag of groceries without wincing. I'm not saving my good perfume for special parties; clerks in hardware sto= res and tellers in banks have noses that function as well as my party-going friends'. "Someday" and "one of these days" are losing their grip on my vocabulary. If it's worth seeing or hearing or doing, I want to see and hear and do it now. I'm not sure what my sister would have done had she known that she wouldn't be here for the tomorrow we all take for granted. I think she would have called family members and a few close friends. She might have called a few former friends to apologize and mend fences fo= r past squabbles. I like to think she would have gone out for a Chinese dinner, her favorite food. I'm guessing - I'll never know. And every morning when I open my eyes, I tell myself that it is special. Every day, every minute, every breath truly is... a gift from God. If you've received this it is because someone cares for you and it means there is probably at least one someone for whom you care. If you're too busy to take the few minutes that it would take right now to forward this to people you care about. . . . . would it be the first time you didn't do that one little thing that would make a difference in your relationships? Take this opportunity to set a new trend. Take a few minutes to send this to someone you care about, just to let them know that you're thinking of them. It's even better if they're not the people you already correspond with every week. "You've got to work as if you don't need the money, love like it's never g= onna hurt, and dance like nobody's watching." - --------------------

A Story to Live By
by Ann Wells (Los Angeles Times)

My brother-in-law opened the bottom drawer of my sister's bureau and
lifte= d out a tissue-wrapped package.  "This,"  he said, "is = not a slip.
This is lingerie."  He discarded the tissue and handed = me the slip.  It was
exquisite; silk, handmade and trimmed with a cobweb = of lace.  The
price tag  with an astronomical figure on it was s= till attached.  "Jan bought
this the first time we went to New Yor= k, at least 8 or 9 years ago.  She never
wore it.  She was saving i= t for a special occasion.  Well, I guess this is
the occasion."&nbs= p; He took the slip from me and put it on the bed with the
other clothes we w= ere taking to the mortician.  His hands lingered on the
soft material = for a moment, then he slammed the drawer shut and turned to me.

"Don= 't ever save anything for a special occasion.  Every day you're
alive= is a special occasion."

I remembered those words through the funera= l and the days that
followed when I helped him and my niece attend to all the= sad chores that
follow an unexpected death.  I thought about them on t= he plane returning to
California from the Midwestern town where my sister'= s family lives.
I thought about the things that she had done without realizing that
they were special.

I'm still thinking about his words, and they've changed my life.  I'm
reading more and dusting less. = I'm sitting on the deck and admiring
the view without fussing about the wee= ds in the garden.  I'm spending
more time with my family and friends and less time in committee meetings.

Whenever possible, Life should be a pat= tern of experience to savor, not
endure. I'm trying to recognize these momen= ts now and cherish them.

  I'm not saving anything; we use our good c= hina and crystal for every
special event - such as losing a pound, getting t= he sink unstopped, the
first camellia blossom. I wear my good blazer to th= e market if I
feel like it.  My theory is: if I look prosperous, I c= an shell out $28.49 for
one small bag of groceries without wincing.
I'm= not saving my good perfume for special parties; clerks in hardware stores
a= nd tellers in banks have noses that function as well as my party-going friends'.
"Someday" and "one of these days" are los= ing their grip on my vocabulary.
If it's worth seeing or hearing or doing, = I want to see and hear and do it now.
I'm not sure what my sister would have d= one had she known that
she wouldn't be here for the tomorrow we all take fo= r granted.
I think she would have called family members and a few close friends.
She might have called a few former friends to apologize and me= nd fences for past squabbles.
I like to think she would have gone out for = a Chinese dinner, her favorite food.

I'm guessing - I'll never know.

And every morning when I open my eyes, I tell myself that it = is special.
Every day, every minute, every breath truly is... a gift from God.

If you've received this it is because someone cares for you an= d it means
there is probably at least one someone for whom you care.  I= f you're too
busy to take the few minutes that it would take right now to= forward this
to people you care about. . . . . would it be the first ti= me you didn't do that
one little thing that would make a difference in your relationships?

Take this opportunity to set a new trend.  Take= a few minutes to send
this to someone you care about, just to let them know t= hat you're thinking
of them.  It's even better if they're not the peop= le you already
correspond with every week.
 
"You've got to work as if you don't need the money, love like it= 's never gonna hurt, and dance like nobody's watching."

- --part3_920055456_boundary-- - --part2_920055456_boundary-- - --part1_920055456_boundary-- - --part0_920055456_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:00:48 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Request: NJC WHO NEEDS THE BEACH BOYS WHEN WE HAVE KINGS X ? wholesale prices with an employee discount? the real deal mg your a great neighbor, CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:15:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Hejira envy Much to my surprise, I never 'saw' the 'penis thing' either. Not even after it was mentioned on this here list. Maybe I am just too straight nowadys. Although of course I have had the album since 76 so maybe I was just too stoned to notice then! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:19:54 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Night Ride Home Remote... until I git my mitts on him, Randy dared: >Am I the only one who would put this near the bottom of the list of Joni >albums? I love "Two Grey Rooms", but the rest... it seems wordy without being >very musical, and her voice not very good. Also at the bottom, DED, STAS, >CMIARS. I suppose I will be run out of Jonitown on a rail now. >RR Y'all heat up the tar....I'll git the feathers! ;-D Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:23:03 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: NRH Hi Penny -- >I got a question to pose to the list. Am I the only sick minded person >out there that that on first glance of the Hejira cover it looks like a >bejeweled, women's "play toy" is sticking out of her pocket instead of >it being her wrist? Not at all. In fact, there was quite an extended discussion of "Hejira's Penis" -- one of the funner threads that's come along since I joined -- partially because so many contributed. So you are NOT alone. :-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:23:05 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Night Ride Home my vote goes that "2 grey rooms" is the best song on the work. but why any pecking order aside from favorite tune. play along with her music and experience an even deeper emotion. thats why i feel musicians have such a larger advantage sometimes. just like atheletes watching sports. its not an requirement, maybe its the edge factor i'm driving at. always searching for clarity and knowledge. i'm passing the hat. musically yours, CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:24:05 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Night Ride Home Marsha wrote: > Remote... until I git my mitts on him, Randy dared: > > >Am I the only one who would put this near the bottom of the list of Joni > >albums? I love "Two Grey Rooms", but the rest... it seems wordy without being > >very musical, and her voice not very good. Also at the bottom, DED, STAS, > >CMIARS. I suppose I will be run out of Jonitown on a rail now. > >RR > > Y'all heat up the tar....I'll git the feathers! ;-D > > Marsha (Randy, at a hot gallop): JONI, SAVE ME!!!....... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:28:06 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Hejira envy Colin writes ... >Maybe I am just too straight nowadays. Well this is certainly a VERY different and totally unexpected sort of "coming out", now isn't it? ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:33:14 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Hejira envy Nice, kitty, kitty man wrote: >Much to my surprise, I never 'saw' the 'penis thing' either. Not even after it was >mentioned on this here list. Maybe I am just too straight nowadys. Although of >course I have had the album since 76 so maybe I was just too stoned to notice >then! You all don't know how close I came to asking Joni as she was signing my Hejira vinyl cover for me in November, if she realized the speculation about that "illusion" (drool) she created...but I just could not do it. Now her name and mine are just centimeters from it... Marsha, Hejira "preoccupied" and too straight too, colin... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:11:50 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times >this cartoon, which I didn't see, but my friends did. It was based on Taming >The Tiger, I think. It had Jewel reading her poetry and the stars behind her >spell out `this sucks'! I shouldn't laugh but her stuff is insipid! And all >the animals are all around her in this cartoon and a unicorn takes out a >knife and tries to commit suicide while she's reading this poetry. Then a >tiger pounces on her and drags her off and all you see are blood spurts. >Then I come on and say `don't it always seem to be, that you don't know what >you got till it's gone?' and the animals all start dancing and everyone's This cartoon sounds excellent! Methinks it would make an awesome screensaver! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:34:43 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Hejira envy Marsha wrote: > Nice, kitty, kitty man wrote: soon to be a doggy daddy again-two weeks to go. Looks like we'll be moving at the same time too! > You all don't know how close I came to asking Joni as she was signing > my Hejira vinyl cover for me in November, if she realized the speculation about that > "illusion" (drool) she created...but I just could not do it. I bet I could have! And I am sure she would not have been offended. I have this way.... Which reminds me, out driving the other day, with my friend the shhrink, Lizanne, who speaks like the Queen(comes from a grand family), she was cut up by a van and she rolled down her window and yelled 'f**king c**t' at him. Very funny with the Queens accent. > Now her name and mine are just centimeters from it... > > Marsha, Hejira "preoccupied" and too straight too, colin... :-) mmm just us and our pets, hey Marsha? Well, and john, but when it is cold, as now, the dogs are more fun. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:25:24 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in todays' Times - Full Text (Long) Michael wrote: >Wow. She pulls no punches, does she? Those withering Jewel >comments made me laugh, I confess. She certainly doesn't. She seems to be becoming increasingly revelatory about the past. I sense she is frustrated with criticism of her putting a child up for adoption and wants to get her side of the story out. And I'm sure that there is even more to the story that has yet to be told. That was funny about Jewel but I hope she doesn't read the article! >Still as an adopted child myself, I really wonder how appropriate >it is to talk about your child ostracizing you in media interviews. >Reunification, as Joni acknowledges, is a difficult process. It's >made none the easier by the glare of the media. I cringed a little here, too, but I wonder if she is not just following a basic tenet of publicity where, when a person is faced with the distinct possibility of negative stories coming out in the press anyway, to be the first one to address it. The press are not going to stop asking her and Kilauren about the relationship any time soon and will follow the story for many years. Joni may be caught in a double-bind - if she is candid, she risks appearing indiscreet and callous to Kiluaren, but if she evades the questions, the press will dig all the harder to come up with the scoop, and possibly get distorted third-hand accounts from others. The next thing you know, she and Kilauren are on the front page of all the major tabloids. It's may be the lesser of the two evils to get it out on the table upfront to help blunt the speculation. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #97 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. 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