From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #92 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 092 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Loudest SHow....... ["Lance A. Michel" ] Fave concert? ["paul tyrer" ] Re: Libby Titus, Carly Simon, etc. (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Santa Claus (NJC) - AKA What a great list [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Fave concert? [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Fave concert? (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Wind On The Water? (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Fave concert? (NJC) [Lisa Durfee ] Re: Fave concert? (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? [Jerry No] Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? ["paul ty] the Roches(njc) ["William C. Burnworth" ] Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? ["Don Rowe] RE: best / worst/ first / loudest etc [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Fave concert? [Janet Hess ] Re: Fave concert? [Janet Hess ] Re: the Roches(njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Favorite Concerts [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Favorite Concerts [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Santa Claus (NJC) - AKA What a great list [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie (NJC) [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Loudest Concert, Best Concerts SJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Loudest Concert NJC [jan gyn ] dirty linen review ["William C. Burnworth" ] Re: Libby Titus, Carly Simon, etc. (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re[2]: Loudest Concert NJC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Stevie Wonder [David Wright ] Re: Wind On The Water? (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Fave concert? (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re[2]: Wind On The Water? (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Favorite Concerts [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Fave concert? (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Legalize or not? VLJC [Russell Bowden ] Re: Re[2]: Wind On The Water? (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: (NJC) But Important - Virus Warning!! [luvart@snet.net] Concerts ["Gene Mock" ] Re: Two Music Questions ~ 1 Answer (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] joni at amnesty '86 [patrick leader ] some help pleeze? (njc) [KerriLynn@aol.com] Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? [LRF] The Screaming Orphans [Ken Corral ] DED & WTRF ["Cupit, Greg" ] Re: (NJC) Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? [IVP] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:40:03 -0800 From: "Lance A. Michel" Subject: Re: Loudest SHow....... Loudest show: THe WHO, Oakland Stadium 1988.........10th. row and YEOWZA! Good, definitely GOOD Loud though............I can't even imagine how loud they were in the early to mid 70's (my folks saw the "Tommy Tour" in '69/'70, but i am not sure if I went with'em or not......I don't quite remember......;-) Another really loud show was The Mermen at Slims in S.F.........Great band, but the venue always mixes them WAY TOO LOUD! - -----I'll have to think about the best/worst thang a bit, there has been many many shows......Not sure if one stands out to me as best or worst. P.S.--The Dead could be pretty loud sometimes; especially during Space and/or Drums (though with Drums it was into the subsonic arena that the vibrations dwelt.....You would feel the whole venue shake and lift from it's foundation.... L8R As Always......Peas & Dub.........Lance - -- Lance A. Michel: - -There are as many shades to reality as there are windows unto the soul- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:06:27 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Fave concert? Er, maybe I'm a musical dunce (no affirmation necessary), but I ain't got a favourite concert. I can't really remember ever being really fantastically blown away (by a concert). I've seen ebtg zillions of times and they're usually good; i've enjoyed seeing the indigo girls, michelle shocked, the fall, the smiths, new order, the go-betweens, tori amos and the cramps to name but a few - and they've all been great. But i've not really kept one in my memory as the outstanding gig of my life. STILL, having said this, I am ever so excited because on March 9th I'm going to see the amazing Nina Simone! Maybe this will be the one! Paul, L'ill ol' tea-drinker me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:01:44 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Libby Titus, Carly Simon, etc. (NJC) In a message dated 2/22/99 4:47:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, David.Wright@oberlin.edu writes: << The discussion of Libby and Carly, plus Marsha's recollection of an album she was hooked on when she was four, reminded me of this album that's been in my family since I was a child: _In Harmony_ -- a production of the Children's Television Workshop (who did Sesame Street...a show I could talk about for hours) back in the early '80s. _In Harmony 2_ was released a couple of years after. Sound interesting? Does anybody else know this album??? I've wondered if they were popular enough to still be available.>> YES!!!! I LOVE these albums! I bought them when my older kids were young, and I would play them over and over. I've kept them, even though the kids have long outgrown them, because of the great quality of music on them! Thanks for reminding me of this, David! and Jerry wrote: <> Music Boulevard has the first one on CD for $10.88. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:50:00 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Santa Claus (NJC) - AKA What a great list In a message dated 99-02-22 21:23:33 EST, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: ><< Bruce Springsteen's version of > > "Santa Claus is coming to town"; and so on. >> > >David, > MG has been looking to get a tape of this song for some time now. I >thought >I had it on a tape with some other rate Boss recordings, but cannot seem to >find it. >Paul I > You know, I sent Paul a private e-mail about this, but figured that this should get a posting to the entire list. I continue to be amazed at this JMDL.. Superlatives fail me. It continues to be such a terrific forum for so many things as well as a conduit for some making personal connections with some pretty amazing people. That Paul would remember this from a discussion ages ago really touches me. And now I know to check the database of Valley to order the In Harmony tape myself. Thanks to all who make this list so great! MG > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:30:08 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Fave concert? Other than stating the obvious, my other favorite concert was Paul Simon's Rhythm of the Saints (?) tour. I'm not even a huge Simon fan, but certainly appreciated the genius of this man's work. One of the worst concerts was CS&N in the days when they were so out of it, they couldn't sing in tune at all. And I'm a BIG fan of theirs. Oh well. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:37:21 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Fave concert? (NJC) In a message dated 99-02-23 08:33:51 EST, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: >One of the worst concerts was CS&N in the days when they were so out of it, >they couldn't sing in tune at all. And I'm a BIG fan of theirs. Oh well. > > Geeze does this list grease the slide down memory lane. I ditched my high school graduation to see CS&N at Madison Square Garden in 1977. They were touring to promote their album with the song about the whales. I have the words and melodies running through my head now, but can't remember the song. Wind on the Water is tickling my recall. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:45:08 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie (NJC) Marcel shamelessly says: >> I consider these two movies to be the most interesting almost historical pieces. Anyone else have some candidates. Said Marcel shamelessly beginning a thread. << I would nominate: "A Hard Day's Night": Perhaps the film that launched a thousand rock videos, it captures the exuberance of the Beatles and their disbelief and excitement of the enthusiasm they found themselves stuck in the middle of. "Rock And Roll High School": Great vehicle for The Ramones, production values so bad it's juvenile, which is it's strongest asset. Much more hysterical than historical. "The Commitments": A great movie about loving music, starting a local band, and just getting carried away with it all as the most important thing in life "That Thing You Do": I also liked this one; as a historical piece you get a feel for what the 60's one-hit wonders went through. I particularly enjoyed the scene where they're all listening to their song on the radio for the first time in the appliance store and going nuts. "The Last Waltz": A superb combination documentary/performance piece, when I first saw it and watched the Joni part I got a big 'ol lump in my throat... And I'm sure there's a bunch more, but I'll leave 'em for someone else to mention... Bob NP: The Police "There's A Hole In My Life" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:49:02 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Wind On The Water? (NJC) MG said: <> And a very accurate tickle it is, MG - "Wind On The Water" was the album title and also the title of the whale track. It was a C-N collaboration without S. It was a gorgeous song, you could feel the waves in the music, kinda like "Netherlands" by D.Fogelberg... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:02:23 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: Re: Fave concert? (NJC) MGVal@aol.com wrote: > Geeze does this list grease the slide down memory lane. I ditched my high > school graduation to see CS&N at Madison Square Garden in 1977. They were > touring to promote their album with the song about the whales. ....... > Wind on the Water is tickling my recall. Yeah, I think that was just C & N. I saw them at Beacon Theatre NYC around that time. I still lament over lending my copy of that other C&N album-the black one with Page 43 on it, to someone in college who never gave it back. Lisa --whose first concert was David Cassidy in 1972...I was 11 and my Dad escorted me. Whatta guy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:25:06 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Fave concert? (NJC) In a message dated 2/23/99 8:42:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << Wind on the Water is tickling my recall. >> Yes, it's Wind on the Water and thanks to some folks on this list, I was able to find it on CD. I can look up the CD title if no one replies soon. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:42:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? > > > 'I worry that drugs have forced us to be more creative than we really > are...' > > -Lily Tomlin And may I counter phrase? I worry that drugs have made them believe they were more creative than they really were. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:44:45 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? Or else: Thank god drugs have made us more creative than we really are. Paul - -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Notaro To: Mark-n-Travis Cc: paul tyrer ; joni@smoe.org Date: 23 February 1999 14:41 Subject: Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? >> >> >> 'I worry that drugs have forced us to be more creative than we really >> are...' >> >> -Lily Tomlin > >And may I counter phrase? > >I worry that drugs have made them believe they were more creative than they >really were. > >Jerry > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:57:41 -0600 From: "William C. Burnworth" Subject: the Roches(njc) I 've just gotta be the voice of reason re: the Roches. I've seen them several times and never heard the slightest of prima-donning (or off-pitch vocals, unless done purposely for effect. They've attracted a devoted audience in their 20 year-plus career by developing their incredible 3-part harmonies in ever-changing ways, with wit and intelligence. Sorry you had such a bad experience, Lou, but I can assure you it didn't happen often. O.K., getting off my soapbox now... William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:49:38 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? On drugs and their effect on creativity -- Mark gives us ... >'I worry that drugs have forced us to be more creative than we really >are...' > >-Lily Tomlin > I'm happy that drugs have made me exactly as creative as I imagined myself to be ... for a moment, anyway. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:32:26 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: RE: best / worst/ first / loudest etc First; Fleetwood Mac - 1968, The Stadium, Dublin Best: Joni Mitchell - 1972, BBC - Shepherd's Bush (Terry Wogan's place) Loudest; the band and The Electric Flag - 1975, Nassua Collesium, Long Island Best one with balloon's kd lang - 1991 Munich the one that rocked the most The Flamin Groovies - 1971 Lyceum, The strand. Worst DJ Shadow and UNKLE - 1999 The Black Box, Galway ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:02:47 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Fave concert? Joni, of course. And as I've been thinking about this string, I've realized how lucky I've been to catch some terrific concerts; in addition to Joni, I've seen k.d. (twice), Janis Joplin (also twice), Jane Siberry (twice--is this a trend, or what??), Barbra Streisand (yup, twice), the Flirtations when Michael Callen was still in this boring old world (hey, I saw them...um...two times), Joan Baez under the stars on the Washington Monument grounds in the 60s (maybe early 70s, but I don't think so) when the DAR wouldn't let her appear in Constitution Hall, and Frankie Avalon in Orlando, Florida in 1958 or 1959. But the concert that I go back to again and again in my mind is the last time I saw the splendid and magical Michael Hedges, at the Birchmere, in November, 1977. It was, I think, ten days before his death. As Michael often was (I saw him four times), he was transcendent that night, so fully one with the music. I love his CDs, and I'm glad there are tapes of his live performances, but nothing...nothing!...can convey what it was like to watch his force unfold before you. What a gift! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:06:59 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Fave concert? OOPS! Make that November 1997, NOT 1977...I can't imagine what I was smoking. :) >But the concert that I go back to again and again in my mind is the last time I saw the >splendid and magical Michael Hedges, at the Birchmere, in November, 1977. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:19:37 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: the Roches(njc) "William C. Burnworth" wrote: > I 've just gotta be the voice of reason re: the Roches. I've seen them > several times and never heard the slightest of prima-donning (or > off-pitch vocals, unless done purposely for effect. They've attracted a > devoted audience in their 20 year-plus career by developing their > incredible 3-part harmonies in ever-changing ways, with wit and > intelligence. Sorry you had such a bad experience, Lou, but I can > assure you it didn't happen often. O.K., getting off my soapbox now... Thank God someone else chimed in on this. I've been a big fan of theirs and seen them live a few times. Never have they ever been anything but pleasant, professional, and right on pitch. Much of their humor comes from bending notes ever so slightly so I was surprised to read otherwise. Of course everyone's entitled to a bad night every once in a while. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:21:34 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Favorite Concerts Not necessarily in order... Joni - Painting with Words and Music The Who - "Tommy" Plus at the the Universal Ampitheatre with guests Elton John, Steve Winwood, Patti Labelle and Phil Collins. $500 per ticket benefit but included party afterwards and definetely worth it! Steve Winwood - Last year right here in Bakersfield - 3rd row seats - He was incredible! Elton John - Early 70's - Miami Beach Convention Center - He really Rocked! A confession - Other than the recent concerts in SoCal, the only time I saw Joni live was in Jacksonville Florida in 1974 on her pre-Court & Spark tour. I recently was able to see a tape of a concert during that tour and I remembered how I felt kind of dissappointed or unconnected during that concert and I think I understand why. She seemed to be so different from what I expected and aloof towards the audience. She played so much "new" stuff that I didn't recognize and with a band! It kind of threw me for a loop. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:33:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Favorite Concerts kd lang's first tour. What a knockout. Half Judy Garland, half Elvis Presley. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:33:57 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Santa Claus (NJC) - AKA What a great list just like to say this about that. only want to echo those sentiments yes very nice. very nice indeed. now if i could get the waitress to pick up the pace a little and turn up the juke box a click.... sorry, got carried away. speak on mac duff, yours musically, chri$. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:47:45 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie (NJC) In a message dated 2/23/99 5:57:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << >> TOsS THESE LOGS OIN THE FIRE WHILE YOUR AT IT. the magic christian, the singing nun . ( no realtion ), amadeus. yours musically, CHRI$ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:52:54 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Loudest Concert, Best Concerts SJC Eric Taylor wrote: > Amnesty International Conspiracy of Hope Concert 1996. > Later that night Joni was the surprise guest (replacing Peter Townsend right > before U2) and some drunk fucks hit her with water-balloons while playing > The Three Great Stimulants. It was just Joni, Larry & Vinnie doing a > striped-down version and MAN you should have heard how powerfully she > delivered the rest of that song! This was the one that was televised, right? I think you are way off on the date. When "Dog Eat Dog" came out in '85 I remember looking for "Number One" (the other song she did), but she saved it until "Chalk Mark". So the "Conspiracy of Hope" concert was before DED. On TV you could not see her getting hit with the balloon, but you saw the splash. I got the impression it landed at/on her feet. She said, "Hey, quit pitching shit up here, I'm not that bad, dig?" Also during her songs someone was having a loud conversation (offstage?) which was audible during her songs-very disrespectful. Also, during "Number One" Sting's female backup singer (name?) sang the "got to hold your head up higher" part. I still prefer that version to the one that came out on the record. Also, just for the record, Yoko was billed as Yoko Ono, the Plastic Ono Band name having been retired in '69 or '70. RR, for the Yoko police ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:59:22 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Fave concert? (NJC) then there was the csn&y concert at the atlantic city raceway with santana as the warm up act. complete with a thunder and lightning storm going off in the backround about a mile away behind the stage. there was so much electricity in the air that the hair stood up on your arms. never forgot on the way down while telling my pop and brother who were dropping me off somewhere close by to the race track so i could hitch a ride the rest of the way, how great john mclaughlins guitar playing was, i realized i left my ticket at home some hours drive behind us. fugg me. only 1 thing left to do and buy 1 from a scalper when i arrived. and thanx to the black couple in the valiant for picking me up. it was 1 of those days . in any case, of course both bands sets were incredibly intense and everything that you had been led to beleive and come to expect from these huge performers and ritely so. no fat. but the 1 thing i'll never forget was when santana was laying down there music, in 1 of the songs the sax player was taking his intermittant solos with all the intensity and passion he could muster. every note and phrase perfect in their delivery, well after playing about a 2 measure run or so he was so into it he turns around and shakes his big fat black butt to the crowd. the crowd loves it then responds back likewise enthusiam. the next time he plays his sax to the music hes playing so hard and intense that he falls backwards headfirst into the grand piano. not just a small back bump either but a total backwards greg luganas. to play with that much abandon and truth. much to the piano players credit he kept on cooking and didnt miss a beat. i'm pretty sure it was august of 73. of course bill grahmn was the m.c. what a day. with no ride home i lucked out and found a neighborhood aquaitance and made it back home safe, yours musically, CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:59:45 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Wind On The Water? (NJC) I saw CS&N in '77, and indeed they were doing this song in concert, along with a breathtaking film segment shot by Jacques Cousteau. Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > MG said: > > < school graduation to see CS&N at Madison Square Garden in 1977. They were > touring to promote their album with the song about the whales. I have the > words and melodies running through my head now, but can't remember the song. > Wind on the Water is tickling my recall.>> > > And a very accurate tickle it is, MG - "Wind On The Water" was the album title > and also the title of the whale track. It was a C-N collaboration without S. > > It was a gorgeous song, you could feel the waves in the music, kinda like > "Netherlands" by D.Fogelberg... > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:24:49 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Loudest Concert NJC Loudest recently: Digital Hardcore- hardcore techno thrash with video game samples sent through banks of Marshall amps (lots of high frequencies that are physically painful- if you extracted an ear plug you felt the sound hitting your ear drum like a cluster of needles). Wayne Kramer- Marshall amp in a relatively empty small club. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:26:25 -0600 From: "William C. Burnworth" Subject: dirty linen review I complained to Dirty Linen about the especially poorly written review they ran of Taming the Tiger, mentioning that I complained to Dirty Linen about the especially poor writing of their review of Taming the Tiger, mentioning if they would like a review that actually told their readers something about the album, I would be happy to send them one. I received a reply sayin' the writer of that review, Mitch Ritter, requested a copy of that review, which meant I actually had to write one! Luckily, thanks to the loquaciousness of the jmdl, I put one together and sent it on. I don't expect to hear anything (it's been 3 weeks or so), but couldn't let those comments go by without protesting. I've read the magazine for several years and never seen a more savage or off base review. Their coverage on Joni is usually decent, running a small color photo in mentioning her Chieftains song, and the release of TTT. William i ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:54:10 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Libby Titus, Carly Simon, etc. (NJC) In a message dated 2/23/99 7:04:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ashara@aol.com writes: << << The discussion of Libby and Carly, plus Marsha's recollection of an album she was hooked on when she was four, reminded me of this album that's been in my family since I was a child: _In Harmony_ -- a production of the Children's Television Workshop (who did Sesame Street...a show I could talk about for hours) back in the early '80s. _In Harmony 2_ was released a couple of years after. Sound interesting? Does anybody else know this album??? I've wondered if they were popular enough to still be available.>> >> This discussion reminds me that some time ago I had a tape of classic live performances at the Hungry i, half were comedians such as Lily Tomlin, Woody Allen and Joan Rivers early in their careers and the other half were musical performances. The last musical performance on the tape was "Winkin, Blinken and Nod," sung by the Simon Sisters, including Carly. Wish I still had that tape. I may have copied parts of it onto another tape, but I'm sure I no longer have the original, which very well may have been an 8-track. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:40:10 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Loudest Concert NJC Jan shared: <> Boy, this sounds like a good time...when are these guys comin' to my town? ;-) Reminds me of the two Saturday Night Live guys (Christopher Guest & Billy Crystal) "I hate it when that happens"... And, speaking of SNL, for those of you who didn't see it, Lucinda performed "Can't Let Go" & "Too Cool To Be Forgotten" last Saturday. I was gonna stay up, the spirit was willing but the flesh was weak so I taped it instead. Thanks heavens! Even Bill Murray couldn't save the lame comedy (the lone exception being the ad for "The Quotable Caddyshack") so I was able to FF through the "funny" stuff & get straight to the music. I thought Lucinda & band sounded pretty good, only whetted my appetite to see the whole show... Bob NP: "Jericho" from MOA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:30:32 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder Stevie Wonder (and Iannis Xenakis) joined Joni as a winner of the Polar Music Prize yesterday. - --David P.S. Iannis Xenakis is a contemporary Greek composer and architect, resident in France. I love his harsh, dissonant, but overwhelmingly powerful music. He's had a fascinating life, too. He was a member of the Greek resistance during WWII, and had his face scarred and his sight and hearing damaged by an explosion. (Photographs of him never show the left side of his face.) At the end of the war he was sentenced to death by a military tribunal and had to flee Greece. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:26:11 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Wind On The Water? (NJC) In a message dated 2/23/99 8:58:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << And a very accurate tickle it is, MG - "Wind On The Water" was the album title and also the title of the whale track. It was a C-N collaboration without S. It was a gorgeous song, you could feel the waves in the music, kinda like "Netherlands" by D.Fogelberg... Bob >> Wind on the Water might also be considered an anti-makeup song as well as an anti-whaling song. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:29:51 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Fave concert? (NJC) In a message dated 2/23/99 9:32:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 2/23/99 8:42:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << Wind on the Water is tickling my recall. >> Yes, it's Wind on the Water and thanks to some folks on this list, I was able to find it on CD. I can look up the CD title if no one replies soon. Terry >> Also, isn't part of it, maybe the introductory harmony part, titled "To the Last Whale"? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:41:51 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Wind On The Water? (NJC) Paul wailed: <> Over the years you have been hunted, By the men who throw harpoons, and in the long run we will kill you just to feed the pets we raise, put the flowers in your vase, to put the lipstick on your face Over the years you swam the oceans following feelings of your own Now you are washed upon the shoreline I can see your body lie, It's a shame you have to die To put the lipstick on our eye Under the bridges, over the foam Wind on the Water, carry me home... Not too shabby for not having heard it in looooong while! I always thought the lyrics were very powerful, and of course the Crosby-Nash harmonies were chilling. Bob NP: Elton John, "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:50:57 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Concerts In a message dated 2/23/99 11:24:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, pward@lightspeed.net writes: << A confession - Other than the recent concerts in SoCal, the only time I saw Joni live was in Jacksonville Florida in 1974 on her pre-Court & Spark tour. I recently was able to see a tape of a concert during that tour and I remembered how I felt kind of dissappointed or unconnected during that concert and I think I understand why. She seemed to be so different from what I expected and aloof towards the audience. She played so much "new" stuff that I didn't recognize and with a band! It kind of threw me for a loop. -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultan >> Joni says that one of the promoters pulled a gun on her manager at some point during the evening of that Jacksonville concert, and that is probably why she has never come back here to perform since. What tape of a concert from that era were you able to see and how would someone like me get to see it? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:59:28 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Fave concert? (NJC) In a message dated 2/23/99 2:29:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, IVPAUL42 writes: << Also, isn't part of it, maybe the introductory harmony part, titled "To the Last Whale"? >> Paul. Yes, I think so- Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:46:53 -0800 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Legalize or not? VLJC Hey! Back from a cruddy bacteria. Been enjoying the posts for the last couple of weeks. I (like many) have seen the drug thing from Both Sides, Now, and I think legalization (weed especially) would NOT be as horrific as a lot of people think. Every picture has its' shadow And it has some source of light. Love, Russell NP Refuge of the Roads ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:44:00 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Wind On The Water? (NJC) Almost correct, Bob. Thanks. In a message dated 2/23/99 2:44:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << > Over the years you have been hunted, By the men who threw harpoons, and in the long run we will kill you just to feed the pets we raise, put the flowers in your vase, to put the lipstick on your face Over the years you swam the oceans following feelings of your own Now you are washed upon the shoreline I can see your body lie, It's a shame you have to die To put the SHADOW on our eye Under the bridges, over the foam Wind on the Water, carry me home... Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:23:47 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie Without a doubt: Led Zeppelin's 'The Song Remains The Same!' Mark At 12:54 AM -0500 2/23/99, MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > I just watched the movie Quadrophenia which is a movie whose story > was written > by The Who's Peter Townshend about the rockers and the mods. The > mods inspired > the song My Generation. I dont know how many have seen the film but > it is IMHO > an interesting movie because of the story being about the very beginnings of > the British sound. We all know what came from that (Mayall, Beatles, > Stones Beatles beginnings in Hamburg. I consider these two movies to be the most > interesting almost historical pieces. Anyone else have some candidates. Said > Marcel shamelessly beginning a thread. Cheers. m deste. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:49:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie The Last Waltz. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:34:30 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: NJC Info Thanks At 11:44 PM 2/22/99 , Eric wrote: > Well I can't speak for Les but I don't see him as the JMDL police. There >were numerous times he could have and perhaps should have cited me for >netiquette violations. Yet that's really not his job. Can you imagine the >dedication it must take to maintain this list? Anyway some list subscribers >sometimes seem to think that they're more qualified to police this >unmoderated list. Less power to them.... Eric and all - The approach I have adopted to administering this list - that of rarely intervening - is certainly not without it's occasional problems. However, I feel that the relatively flame-free nature of the list (relative, yes, to other lists I've been a member of) is much more a reflection of the quality and maturity of our members than of the way it's administered. Regardless, Eric, thanks for your kind words. Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:44:02 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: (NJC) But Important - Virus Warning!! At 10:09 PM 2/22/99 EST, you wrote: > >> >Hoax or not, people should know NEVER to run an exectuable file they receive >via e-mail from anyone they do not know VERY well and without asking first >what is contained in it. Excellent advice, Paul, and well worth repeating. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:04:52 -0800 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Concerts Can't say I've been to any bad concerts, if the music wasn't that good the vibes always were. Never really went away disappointed. Some of my favorites: 1. My first Dead concert, right around the time when the concert was to begin these 5 or so guys get out of the crowd and walk on stage. I thought it was pretty strange that they would allow concert-goers onto the stage. Then they pick the instruments up and started playing. Wow!!! Those guys were the Dead. You see, prior to that concert going was a very disciplined and controlled event. You came, you sat, you watch, and then politely clapped at the end. Just like those stupid piano recitals. Well, this was the first time that a concert was a relax laid back enjoy just not the music but the crowd as well, the whole atmosphere. Needless to say, it was like discovering a whole new world. 2. Joni's "Blue" concert at Berkeley Community Theatre. I think Jackson Browne opened that show, that was a treat. But Joni, She sang and played from her soul. The amount of gifts she received on stage, I just didn't realize how many people loved her and her music. What a feeling, I was singing and humming weeks after that show. 3. The Michael Bloomfield/ Al Kooper concert at the Fillmore in 68. If I ever hit the lotto that'll be close to feelings I had that night. Exhilarating!!!! Anyway, those have to be some of my best concerts. Later gene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:57:27 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Two Music Questions ~ 1 Answer (NJC) re : Stevie Wonder >you'll also find the song 'Never Dreamed You'd Leave in Summer' >on the CD "Greatest Hits: Volume 2" It's also on his 3 record Anthology which covers the years up to Music Of My Mind. Philip NP the Delfonics - Super Hits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:29:56 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: joni at amnesty '86 eric, this concert WAS televised love and i taped it. joni's set made it on the the jmdl video tree. she sang 'three great stimulants' (alone, no larry or vinnie), 'number one' (sting's backup singer and manu katche guesting on percussion) and then a killer version of 'hejira'. i was kind of obsessed with this tape, hejira has always been my favorite song of joni's and she slightly changed the lyrics. usually, the first verse is repeated at the end, but the petty wars 'that shell shock love away' don't finally win; she's only able to defect from them 'until love sucks me back that way'. but at this concert she repeated the first verse verbatim, no soft edges to the blow, making the song much bleaker. and the way she spat out the final words of 'stimulants' a few minutes had it's effect, too. she was interviewed later backstage (by a remarkably cute pat benatar) and she was pretty chipper. she has spoken about that concert, she played three great stimulants in '94 on npr. i love when an artist takes a difficult situation and adds it to his or her performance. joni's done the same thing with 'sex kills' i'm heartily sick of that song, having heard it live, on audio and on video about 7000 times this year. but touring last fall she had some audience difficulties and took that song to another level. when i saw her sing it a couple of days later in maryland, she tore it apart for an amazing performance. of the rest of the amnesty show, u2 was great but peter gabriel was my favorite, especially 'red rain', such a beautiful song. actually, my favorite moment in the broadcast is a sort of guest host moment with a completely baked daryl hannah and jackson browne. randy, the notation on the video tree says the amnesty concert was 6/15/86 (i assume someone researched it) and my memory says strongly that i taped it that summer (it was my first year in ny). maybe you had heard 'number one' earlier? patrick np - joni at nara, japan 5-22-94. hejira just finished. this is the one that includes 'the magdalene laundries' with the chieftans on backup. has anyone bought the chieftans album today and want to tell us about it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:08:01 EST From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: some help pleeze? (njc) hey all, your favorite lurker here.... i'm trying to find the tape (single) or cd of that song from the current "flat t.v. commercial".... it's a cover of the beatles' "getting better"... any info would be greatly appreciated... like who the heck is singin' it!! or anything else for that matter.... i know i can count on the list for this.... "You're the 'knowin'est people I know"-----> if ya can name the movie that came from I will be undoubtably impressed.... he he he... thanks again, and enjoy the list incredibly.... Kerri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:03:11 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie Gerald Notaro (LIB) wrote: > > The Last Waltz. > > Jerry Monterey Pop Woodstock The Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:10:56 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Best/Fave Concerts In the stratosphere: Joni Painting With Words and Music - Warner Bros. - 1998 2nd in the stratosphere: Sarah Vaughn - front row at Concerts By the Sea - 1981 Most stupendous: Van at UCLA - May, 1998 Most Perfect: Sergio Mendes & Herb Alpert - Greek Theater - 1987 & k.d. lang - Wiltern - 1988 Most historical: Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee - Lighthouse - 1975 Best in the Worst Venue: Ray Charles and Etta James - Hollywood Bowl - 1995 Tore down the walls and transcended the venue: Richie Havens - Golden Bear - 1977; and Larry Carlton - 1979 Best at a County Fair - David Benoit with Eric Marienthal - San Raphael, CA - 1996 Most unlikely great one: Ringo Starr and Billy Preston - Hollywood Bowl - 1988 Most miraculous and mindblowing comeback - Crosby, et al at the Wiltern - 1998 Favorite anytime anywhere: Bobby Caldwell Kakki (always weeping that I missed the San Fran bands in the 60s and Al Kooper - waaaah!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:52:38 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Rock and Roll Movie In a message dated 2/23/99 4:25:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Without a doubt: Led Zeppelin's 'The Song Remains The Same!' Mark >> Puts me to sleep, and I like Zeppelin. How about "Fritz the Cat"? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:15:23 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? I wish I could remember how creative I thought I was while on drugs ... {: \-~ Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:35:22 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: The Screaming Orphans I was just poking around over at the Chieftains site that promotes their new release and ended up at this link: http://www.bmgclassics.com/irish/chieftains/tearsofstone/back.html If you click on Joni's name, you'll get a snippet of an interview with Paddy Maloney talking about the recording of "Magdalene Laundries." He recounts how they met and gives some details about how he approached her song. One of the things he says is that he wanted to put a choir of young girls in the background and he told Joni this. By coincidence there happened to be a group called The Screaming Orphans around and he used them....The Screaming Orphans! Anyone know anything about them? I really love the dimension they add to the song. Its a very good musical idea and despite the name of the backing group, its done with restraint. I've heard so many versions of "Magdalene Laundries" by now I've lost count but this is a genuine standout. When I heard first heard this Chieftains version, my reaction was to be thrilled. You can hear a bit of her song via Real Audio but the sound quality is, of course, not good. Don't go by that, its really nice. KenC- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:12:06 +1100 From: "Cupit, Greg" Subject: DED & WTRF DED and WTRF are 2 of my faves. I used to work as a DJ on a community FM station here in Hobart back in the mid 80's and I used to play quite of few tracks from these 2 albums. They had a fairly rocky commercial sound and so fitted in well with the programs format. I can remember playing Ethiopa on Xmas day around lunchtime with a bit of a spiel about how we pig out for Xmas lunch and should put some money aside for overseas aid in true Xmas spirit. I got lots of calls from people moved by what I had to say as well as Joni's song. I just adore Chinese Cafe from WTRF and enjoy the raunchiness of Your So Square & the up front spontaneity of the "I love you" in Underneath the Streetlight. I love these albums for their exuberance and liveliness. They're very accessible and upbeat. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:21:37 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? In a message dated 2/23/99 11:16:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << I wish I could remember how creative I thought I was while on drugs ... {: \-~ >> I wish I could remember all the creative things I thought of while on drugs but didn't write down and cannot remember anymore. Man, I was a f---ing genius. Paul I ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #92 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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