From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #90 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, February 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 090 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Best/worst concerts [Jerry Notaro ] RE: album obsessions (njc) [Louis Lynch ] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #88 [Louis Lynch ] Re[2]: (NJC) The Mojo Men [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] RE: Lucinda, Joni, and Lynn (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Attention Columbia House/PLAY members [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: (NJC) Loudest concerts ["Don Rowe" ] Re: *****5 Star Albums (JC citation) ["Marsha" ] Re: Re[2]: (NJC) Loudest concerts [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Loudest Concerts ["Davina Greenstein" ] Two Music Questions (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Two Music Questions (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Info Thanks [Diana Duncan ] enthusiastic purchase [Bounced Message ] Joni ON BBC [Bounced Message ] Re: Cooking up our best recipes / hopefully vegetarian! [Bounced Message ] Music abuse & 8 tracks [Bounced Message ] Libby Titus, Carly Simon, etc. (NJC) [David Wright ] In harmony (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Two Music Questions (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] [none] [Bounced Message ] best concerts (sjc) [patrick leader ] Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) [Alan ] Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? [catman <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:35:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Best/worst concerts catman wrote: > In 1980 a nice American lady i knew surprised me by taking me to see Don Mclean. > It was sheer torture. He was so boring. The only song I knew was American Pie and > I don't really like that. Mind you he didn't stand much of a chance with me > anyhow, asd I don't like male singers anyhow, cept for S&G and The PSB's Ditto. I saw him open for Melanie once. He was terrible, though Vincent is one of my favorite songs. Another was Gorden Lightfoot concert. Horrid. Didn't care if the audience was even there. Jerry np: Dusty In Memphis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:14:41 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: album obsessions (njc) Hounds of Love is indeed worth obsessing about! - -----Original Message----- From: patrick leader [mailto:trxschwa@bway.net] Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 6:47 PM To: 'Marsha'; Louis Lynch; joni@smoe.org Subject: album obsessions (njc) marsha wrote: "To the Zoo"-- age 4 was the full name "train to the zoo"? one of my childhood obsessions. it was about 4 10" records in a box with bright kiddie illustrations and a full color booklet with all the lyrics. as an adult, the most i ever got obsessed with an album was kate bush's 'hounds of love' and it's still one of my top five albums of all time. as for waiting anxiously, i used to hang on the edge of my seat waiting for todd rundgren albums. the two that most met the hopes were 'healing' and 'hermit of mink hollow', listened to them to death when they came out and still am happy to pull them off the shelf. patrick np - billy strayhorn - lush life ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:38:36 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #88 Worst Concert Experience Surprisingly, my worst concert was Graham Nash, but it wasn't his fault. His opening act, the Roche Sisters, were absolutely the least audience-friendly performers I ever encountered. When the Roches came on, they had trouble getting the first song right. It sounded horrible, the instruments were out of tune, and it fizzled on the spot. The second was even worse, and they started to lose the audience. Frankly, none of their songs pulled together. The music was hideous, and one of the Roches yelled at the audience, "Would you shut the f*** up, we're trying to get our pitches!" It was a horrible thing to say to a what I thought was a fairly respectful audience. You would think that after several songs, at least one of the singers would have found her pitch. If they were just having a bad night, it was the worst "bad night" I have ever seen. After yelling at the audience, their act was booed short, deservedly so. Graham Nash was not ready to take the stage, so the audience had to wait a while. But, honestly, nothing was much better than the Roches' painful attempt at music. Graham recovered the crowd, and it was wonderful hearing him perform his solo songs with minimal background. Too bad the Roches laid his audience to waste before he went on. Had I not been a real Graham Nash fan, I would have left like so many other people did. Graham ended up playing to half a house. Before the concert, I had heard a recording of the Roche sisters' stuff. They seemed to have potential. I wonder if there's a connection between their behavior as bitchy prima donnas and the fact that they never became popular? Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:35:19 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: (NJC) The Mojo Men Kakki points a bony finger and says: <> Thanks Kakki for starting my day with a laugh...to answer your question, no I haven't been transferred, I'm still doing full-time on the Wise Guy force, but I'm a member of the JMDL Police Reserves...we have to put in one weekend a year!! :^D <> No comment...this statement speaks for itself...I'm LOL! Bob NP: Kansas "Sweet Child of Innocence" (All this old concert talk's made me go back and pull out my cassette collection...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:37:38 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Lucinda, Joni, and Lynn (NJC) Bob M. wrote: <... "Freedom", which is the only record that Rolling Stone has given 5 stars to on its release (in recent years anyway...)>>> Actually, they also gave another one of his 5 stars (I think it was _Sleeps With Angels_), and R.E.M.'s _Automatic for the People_ was afforded this honor as well. I remember this well because it inspired me to buy the album. I was ~16 at the time and count it as my first music fan/critic purchase that went beyond just getting what I liked from the radio. It's been a long, expensive road ever since. - --Michael NP: Stevie Wonder, _Songs in the Key of Life_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I really really want our loving to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you too - --Joni Mitchell, "All I Want" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:00:09 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) First concert, Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass at the Texas State Fair Grounds ... circa 1969. Sergio Mendez and Brazil 66 opened for them. Worst, Santana at Six Flags Over Mid-America, Summer 1988. The show's packed with a crowd that seemed to be expecting Iron Maiden or Def Leppard (it was the hairband years), so Carlos comes as something of a disappointmentto them to say the least. So he wanders out, takes about 25 minutes getting his guitar tuned. Does one song. Walks off stage. Then he sends out his sitar player, who plunks down and starts improvising. About this time, the Six Flags railroad train is comin' round the bend, and leans on the whistle -- drowning out the sitar player ... you get the picture. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:24:47 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Attention Columbia House/PLAY members Pat Martino's _All Sides Now_, which includes Cassandra Wilson on vocals doing "Both Sides Now," is currently on sale for 99 cents plus shipping and handling (for a total of about $3.50) from Columbia House. I don't see it on their website yet, but it is included in the Bargain Bin section of my most recent mailing. Also included in the sale are another Cassandra album, some Miles Davis, and a Dolly Parton live album that includes the most hilarious song about PMS I've ever heard. - --Michael NP: Stevie Wonder, _Innervisions_ (whose "Too High" is also covered on the Martino record) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I really really want our loving to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you too - --Joni Mitchell, "All I Want" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:25:24 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: *****5 Star Albums Michael said: <> Amen to that, bro! (But money well spent :^)) What I *do* think is humorous about the 5-star review in RS is their definition of 5 Stars as "Classic". By, definition, how can something be classic upon its release? And if they mean "destined to be classic" that's pretty risky biz, I mean, if folks were asked to name a Classic NY record, I'll bet "Harvest", "After The Gold Rush", and "Everybody Knows..." would be mentioned long before "Freedom" or (especially) "Sleeps w/Angels". And speaking of critics, Gene Siskel, rest in peace... Bob NP: Carly, "Dishonest Modesty" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:04:43 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Best/worst concerts just the question alone raises questions. like by what barometer or yardstick are you judging wIth? been to enough shows to know the differance ? throw some more up the flag pole and see who salutes it? in any case i'd have to say the the top show was the frank zappa concert in berkeley california about 1982. i'd look up the exact date but i dont feel like running downstairs. matter of fact i can barely open my eyes. in any case, it was the night that i sat on the edge of my seat for 3 NON-STOP HOURS. i never experienced anything like that b4 and not knowing all that much about his work and wishing i had. the listening was that intense yet frank would just sit there at times and stare down the crowd and laughed, remarking once saying" i wonder how many of you wish you were at the rod stewart concert over at the cow palace because theres more chicks there?" funny enough though the comment got its attention but it seemed the entire crowd was there to here the mozart of rock. worst show, and i know i've walked out of a few, its a toss up between seeing slade, remeber those guys? just plain loud and music that went nowhere and did nothing not to much stupidlly loud, at the spectrum in philadelphia in the mid 70s and mahogany rush at the cow palace in the early 80s. cant beleive humble pie warmed up for them. rock can be so darn tricky sometimes you know ? yours musically, CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:14:26 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Worst concerts In a message dated 2/22/99 9:42:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Bob NP: Kansas "Sweet Child of Innocence" (All this old concert talk's made me go back and pull out my cassette collection...) >> Bob, Thanks for remiindning me of MY worst concert experience. I went with my best friend and our dates to see Dave Mason one night in about 1975 or so. The opening act was a band called Kansas, who I'd never heard of and my friend referred to as "Freddie and the Timekillers." Kansas was SO LOUD that they drove nearly everyone into the lobby to wait until they were done and we could return to our seats for Mason's show. Mason was pretty good, but my ears were still ringing from those other guys who had no respect for their audience's eardrums. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:17:02 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna - Carey alans got it rite about how the way kids think. i was taking my 4 year old to mcdonalds on a semi regular basis for pancakes in the morning. along comes joni mitchells tune car on a hill bplayed on muzak. tony stops and looks up and thinks for a minute, you know the time when you can see the light bulb come on in the kids, that moment when you kow the gears are grinding upstairs. well after pausing he says to me listen dad a joni mitchell song. score 1 for pop. if thats not the equivalent of scoring a touchdown i don't know what is. 4 years old. thatsamyboy. yours musically, CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:26:47 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: (NJC) Loudest concerts Paul Recauls: <> That sounds like a strange pairing, Kansas & Dave Mason! And I think sometimes the job of the opening act is to "desensitize" your ears so the headliner doesn't sound so overpowering, not that I think that strategy makes any sense...the loudest I ever heard were The Romantics in a little club. My ears were still ringing 2 days after the show - I was a little scared at the time... One of the many nice things about Joni's Atlanta show was the comfortable volume level - made Dylan's aural assault that much more obnoxious... Bob NP: ZZ Top, "Backdoor Love Affair" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:39:37 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) Loudest concerts Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > > > One of the many nice things about Joni's Atlanta > show was the comfortable volume level - made > Dylan's aural assault that much more obnoxious... But that guitarist that opened for them at The University of Maryland (Dave Alvin?). Wayyyyy to loud. The only thing bad about having 10th row seats! Jerry np Jeff Buckley - Grace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:55:02 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: (NJC) Loudest concerts This is easy! Dire Straits -- "Brothers In Arms" Tour at Dallas Reunion Arena. And it was a "good" loud, and couldn't have been a better show. My ears have stopped ringing, but my memory has not. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:18:48 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: *****5 Star Albums (JC citation) Where's the Joni content? Marsha, deputized by the NJC police pulling you over for yammering without a tag :-D - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com To: 'joni@smoe.org' ; Michael Yarbrough Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 10:39 AM Subject: *****5 Star Albums >Michael said: > ><_Sleeps With Angels_), and R.E.M.'s _Automatic for the People_ >was afforded this honor as well. I remember this well because it >inspired me to buy the album. I was ~16 at the time and count >it as my first music fan/critic purchase that went beyond just >getting what I liked from the radio. It's been a long, expensive >road ever since.>> > >Amen to that, bro! (But money well spent :^)) > >What I *do* think is humorous about the 5-star review in RS is their definition >of 5 Stars as "Classic". By, definition, how can something be classic upon its >release? And if they mean "destined to be classic" that's pretty risky biz, I >mean, if folks were asked to name a Classic NY record, I'll bet "Harvest", >"After The Gold Rush", and "Everybody Knows..." would be mentioned long before >"Freedom" or (especially) "Sleeps w/Angels". > >And speaking of critics, Gene Siskel, rest in peace... > >Bob > >NP: Carly, "Dishonest Modesty" > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:23:35 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: (NJC) Loudest concerts When The Who played SF Civic in 1974(?) the decibels were at 140. That is the level of sound of a Saturn Rocket launch. Much higher and glass melts. Not trying to oneup anyone I just recall it being mentioned in the post concert review. marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:22:36 -0800 From: "Davina Greenstein" Subject: Re: (NJC) Loudest Concerts I'm pretty sure that these two tie for the loudest as they stand out in my mind like a beacon. The Summer Blow Out Concert at the LA Sports Arena in I think '79 with like 15 bands. After Black Sabbath came out my eardrums were bleeding. Radio Station KMET which we won our tickets on, sat us right near the right tower...thanks guys. The second loudest was Marilyn Manson in all his glory at the Whiskey A Go-Go on the Sunset Strip mid '90's. I've worn earplugs to every small venue concert ever since. Best Regards, Davina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:30:33 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Two Music Questions (NJC) Surely someone here knows: I've been looking into the Stevie Wonder song "I Never Dreamed You'd Leave in Summer" I mentioned a few days ago and am having trouble determining a) if he ever recorded it and b) if so, on what album it appeared. I do know that Joan Baez has recorded it. Does anyone have any more information they could send my way? Also, does anyone have an opinion on Cassandra Wilson's _After the Beginning Again_? - --Michael NP: Wu-Tang Clan, _Wu-Tang Forever_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I really really want our loving to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you too - --Joni Mitchell, "All I Want" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:47:39 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Two Music Questions (NJC) Michael Yarbrough wrote: > Surely someone here knows: > > I've been looking into the Stevie Wonder song "I Never Dreamed You'd > Leave in Summer" I mentioned a few days ago and am having trouble > determining a) if he ever recorded it and b) if so, on what album it > appeared. I do know that Joan Baez has recorded it. Does anyone > have any more information they could send my way? Kevin Mahogany by Kevin Mahogany Record Label: WEA/Warner Brothers Release Date: 06/25/96 Catalog Number: 46226 © (P) 1996 Warner Bros. Records, Inc. Track Listing 1. Yesterday I Had The Blues 2. I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know 3. Dark End Of The Street 4. I Can't Make You Love Me 5. I'm Walkin' 6. I Never Dreamed You'd Leave In Summer 7. Oh! Gee! 8. Still Swingin' 9. When October Goes 10. Little Black Samba Very Luther-ish. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:59:48 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: *****5 Star Albums (NJC) Oh sure, Marsha, your Lady Vols take it on the chin, I understand you've got to lash out at somebody...;~) PS: I'm sorry for you that they lost... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: *****5 Star Albums (JC citation) Author: "Marsha" at fdinet Date: 2/22/99 12:18 PM Where's the Joni content? Marsha, deputized by the NJC police pulling you over for yammering without a tag :-D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:04:33 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: (NJC) Loudest concerts Marcel commented: <> No oneups at all, Marcel, I think The Who still hold the Guiness record for decibel level at a rock concert. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:42:50 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC) Loudest concerts In 76 I saw Tangerine Dream perform Straosphere in Portsmouth, Hampshire, England. Although I enjoyed it, it was extrememly loud and I felt ill when it was over-sick and disorientated. in october 97, I saw Nanci Griffith at the Royal Albert Hall. it was spoiled by the loudness of it. I hardly thought her sort of music would be played at full blast. I sat withing the first few rows. next time, I'd sit outside! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:09:14 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: NJC Info Thanks I just want to thank Kakki, Bob, and Randy for the information about the lack of association between The Mojo Men and CSN. I can always count on this list for any information about all kinds of music and other subjects as well. I agree that we have Les to thank for the temperament of this list. I wonder how much policing it takes. How many people have you had to reprimand Les? I finished my 45 marathon. Now wish I had a turntable that played 78's. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:45:08 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: enthusiastic purchase Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Louis Lynch wrote: > What was your most enthusiastic album purchase? Vacation by the Go-go's. Waited weeks to take the bus to the mall. Read the words all the way home. Caught the very tail-end of the eight-track thing. L.P.'s will be the eight-track of the future. Shiver me timbers. B.- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:46:53 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni ON BBC From: "Hejira" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:50:15 -0000 Hi I was just wondering if any one could send me a tape of the Joni Interwiew from saterday .I am so pissed off I was helpung my sister move house and cut my hand open and had to go to casulty AND wait fof two hours ANd missed the interview .I am in England so there wouldn't be much hassle with postage and I will pay for tapes ect or swop some Joni goodies. Please help if you can I can't tell you how frustrated I feel about the whole thing.THanks and with hope Kevin P.S my hand that I cut open is much better ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:45:37 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Cooking up our best recipes / hopefully vegetarian! From: Cjlund@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:55:15 EST One of the primary reasons for my appreciation and respect for the talent of JM lies within (what I perceive as) her basic foundation of emotional sensitivity and concern about many situations and experiences in life. To be honest, I am not aware of her attitude regarding non-human animals or the plight that exists for them in their interactions with people. Acknowledging that some of the messages recently sent with comment on the death of animals via "road kills" were probably sent with humorous intent, I simply needed to make note that I personally find nothing comical about such tragic events. Far too often I see evidence of such road kills (and injuries), seemingly without any emotional connection from individuals involved. Reflecting on this situation I wondered if anyone is aware of Joni's attitude towards animals? I can't recall hearing lyrics or comments specifically related to such thoughts. CJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:43:35 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Music abuse & 8 tracks From: "Brandon" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:48:28 -0600 Somebody mentioned Hey Jude as their first 45. To this day I remember a lovely trip to my Grandparents house in San Clemente and Hey Jude came on the radio. My dad hated rock or pop music so of course the Beatles was Hell reborn. My mom did give a shit about anything we did, thus the Playboy subscription for my Christmas present when I was 11. Needless to say Hey Jude comes on my older brother and myself start rocking out and I start pounding the seat in front of me during the Hey Judy, judy, judy, judy etc......... My dad backhands me across the head, hits the center rail of the 5 freeway and they precedes to yell at me for him doing that too. Great song though! I used to hate those real quite songs on 8 tracks because my cheap 8 track picked up the background noise of the loud track, really pissed me off. Back to my dad. When I was 20 he asked me to go fishing with him and it pretty much was the last thing on earth I wanted to do but I went. We took my old beat up truck that cost $700 and had a $400 cassette stereo system in it. He made me listen to some "John Wayne" God bless America CD for some 100 miles (and it was my truck by the way). He said I could play something I like so I stuck in "Heija", the dude didn't bitch once. Matter of fact whether he was blowing smoke at me or what he said he like it and wonder how come I didn't put in some of the Loud Shit as he put it. I switched off dropping in Joni's albums he switched playing Don Williams and other country material. We had a great trip. A year later I was playing my last season of college ball and he came up to see me play in Chico, CA. We went out that night with my older brother and there is this Joni sound alike at the piano of the bar we were at. Dad said, hey that sound like that singer you like. I had to agree. He then shared he had cancer. He died six months later. That last trip was the highlight of my life with him. Kind of weird how Joni played a part. Peace, Craig NP: My Son is playing Crash. or it sounds like something crashed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Libby Titus, Carly Simon, etc. (NJC) The discussion of Libby and Carly, plus Marsha's recollection of an album she was hooked on when she was four, reminded me of this album that's been in my family since I was a child: _In Harmony_ -- a production of the Children's Television Workshop (who did Sesame Street...a show I could talk about for hours) back in the early '80s. _In Harmony 2_ was released a couple of years after. The albums included Carly and Lucy Simon's "In Harmony"; the Doobie Brothers doing a setting of the 19th-century poem "Wynken Blynken and Nod" (which I still sing as a lullaby for my youngest sister); a couple of famous people (I forget who) duetting on Edward Lear's "The Owl and the Pussycat"; Janis Ian's "Ginny the Flying Girl"; James Taylor's "Jelly Man Kelly" and "Some Kitties Don't Care"; Bette Midler doing "Blueberry Pie"; "Share," with Ernie and Cookie Monster (hilarious!); Billy Joel doing one that goes, "I've got a friend that nobody knows, nobody knows but me" (I could relate); Bruce Springsteen's version of "Santa Claus is coming to town"; and so on. A tad innocent, perhaps, but with a un-sugary, un-condescending, honest quality that gives them a kind of timeless appeal for me....to this day I, and probably the rest of my family, can sing all of these songs. Libby Titus, I know, has a track on it too but I can't remember what it is. Sound interesting? Does anybody else know this album??? I've wondered if they were popular enough to still be available. Take care all - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:35:19 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Libby Titus, Carly Simon, etc. (NJC) I bought the album because of the Bette Midler song on it. I ended liking all of the songs on it. I've never seen it out on cd. Jerry David Wright wrote: > The discussion of Libby and Carly, plus Marsha's recollection of > an album she was hooked on when she was four, reminded me of this album > that's been in my family since I was a child: _In Harmony_ -- a production > of the Children's Television Workshop (who did Sesame Street...a show I > could talk about for hours) back in the early '80s. _In Harmony 2_ was > released a couple of years after. > The albums included Carly and Lucy Simon's "In Harmony"; the > Doobie Brothers doing a setting of the 19th-century poem "Wynken Blynken > and Nod" (which I still sing as a lullaby for my youngest sister); a > couple of famous people (I forget who) duetting on Edward Lear's "The Owl > and the Pussycat"; Janis Ian's "Ginny the Flying Girl"; James Taylor's > "Jelly Man Kelly" and "Some Kitties Don't Care"; Bette Midler doing > "Blueberry Pie"; "Share," with Ernie and Cookie Monster (hilarious!); > Billy Joel doing one that goes, "I've got a friend that nobody knows, > nobody knows but me" (I could relate); Bruce Springsteen's version of > "Santa Claus is coming to town"; and so on. A tad innocent, perhaps, but > with a un-sugary, un-condescending, honest quality that gives them a kind > of timeless appeal for me....to this day I, and probably the rest of my > family, can sing all of these songs. Libby Titus, I know, has a track on > it too but I can't remember what it is. > Sound interesting? Does anybody else know this album??? I've > wondered if they were popular enough to still be available. > > Take care all > > --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:32:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Two Music Questions (NJC) Michael asked: >I've been looking into the Stevie Wonder song "I Never Dreamed You'd >Leave in Summer" I mentioned a few days ago and am having trouble >determining a) if he ever recorded it and b) if so, on what album it >appeared. He recorded it on the "Where I'm Coming From" album. I have it on an old 45 around here somewhere and it's a song that always gets to me. Wonder if we'll see Stevie at this year's Grammys? Saw a couple of TV shows last week on Lauryn Hill which also mentioned some of her Stevie-like style. It's always amazing for me to think how young Stevie was when he started out and wrote such brilliant music. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:40:36 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: In harmony (NJC) David asked: <> David, I haven't looked for them for sale but I have checked them out from our library years ago when my son was younger. Really nice quality stuff, far better than the usual syrupy kiddie fare. I'm sure they're still out there to buy though... Bob NP: Gino Vanelli "The Wheels of Life" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:50:47 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Two Music Questions (NJC) Kakki wrote: > > > He recorded it on the "Where I'm Coming From" album. I have it on an old 45 > around here somewhere and it's a song that always gets to me. Wonder if > we'll see Stevie at this year's Grammys? Saw a couple of TV shows last week > on Lauryn Hill which also mentioned some of her Stevie-like style. It's > always amazing for me to think how young Stevie was when he started out and > wrote such brilliant music. Believe it, or not, he was on the Donny and Marie Show today. Played live at the piano. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:01:50 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: The Painted iD On KLOS Local Licks The Painted iD will be featured on Los Angeles' 95.5 KLOS Local Licks show Monday Night, February 22nd, at midnight. If you live near LA, and you want to hear some folk-rock tracks from our latest album, tune your radio to 95.5 FM just after midnight. If you're far from LA, you can listen LIVE on the internet at this link (you'll need real audio): http://play.rbn.com/?abcradio/klosfm/live/live16.ra If you like what you hear (or even if you don't!), you can tell KLOS what you think. Here's their toll free number: (800) 955-5567. Or, you can e-mail them from this site: http://www.955klos.com/email/index.html The Painted iD / Fox Street Records http://www.thepaintedid.com/ http://www.mp3.com/thepaintedid - mp3 music ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:10:38 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Joni ON BBC This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_919725038_boundary Content-ID: <0_919725038@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII aye a fine example of the kings english. hipp hipp but wish i could help you out. but alas i have not of what you request. listen to KINGS X, all the same. yours musically, CHRI$. - --part0_919725038_boundary Content-ID: <0_919725038@inet_out.mail.jmdl.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:49:37 -0500 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id PAA13842; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27908; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id PAA00168; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:48:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id PAA00133 for joni-outgoing; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.85]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id PAA00121 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from les-irvin (sdn-ar-002cocsprP031.dialsprint.net [206.133.172.143]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19754 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:47:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990222134630.025b3290@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: les@jmdl.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:46:53 -0700 To: joni@smoe.org From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni ON BBC Sender: owner-joni@smoe.org Reply-To: Bounced Message Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: "Hejira" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:50:15 -0000 Hi I was just wondering if any one could send me a tape of the Joni Interwiew from saterday .I am so pissed off I was helpung my sister move house and cut my hand open and had to go to casulty AND wait fof two hours ANd missed the interview .I am in England so there wouldn't be much hassle with postage and I will pay for tapes ect or swop some Joni goodies. Please help if you can I can't tell you how frustrated I feel about the whole thing.THanks and with hope Kevin P.S my hand that I cut open is much better - --part0_919725038_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:25:36 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? Hi Simon Hejira is Joni's greatest work (IMHO). If cocaine helped her write this masterwork, (note she says '*some* of my best work' not 'one of my best songs' so it may be more than SfS, we don't know) then how can drugs all be bad, as some would have us believe? And if drugs were all bad, I reckon, people wouldn't bother taking them. But you're right, I was speaking a bit tongue in cheek in my original mail. Paul PS Did you know that when tea was first introduced to England it was denounced as an effeminizer of men (obviously a bad thing in, I think, C17 England) and in general a pernicious influence on the country. I'm not joking either! - -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com To: joni@smoe.org Cc: paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk Date: 22 February 1999 02:41 Subject: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? >paul tyrer writes ... >> >>hi everyone >> >>let's not forget that Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine. >>legalise immediately! >> > > >Paul, > >Really? > >where DO you come by this information? some article, some interview? >to the best of my knowledge, Joni has only ever acknowledged writing >-1- song under the influence of cocaine. > >and, what do you consider her best work? > > > >here's a little something from the JMDL Archives. >> >> >>From: simon@icu.com >>Subject: Joni & Heroin? (NOT) >>Date: Thu. July 30, 1998 >> >>(name deleted) wrote >>> >>>BTW: Song for Sharon and I paraphrase: >>> >>>I wrote some of very good material on heroin. >>>Song for Sharon I wrote, I think, on heroin. >>> >>>This is from the Q interview in 1988 written by Tom Sutcliffe (I think). >> >> >> >> >>given Joni's awareness of James Taylors' problem, it's difficult >>to believe that she would ever have experimented with heroin. >> >>she's also denied it. >> >>from the JMDL Website. >> >> >> >>Q Magazine >>May 1988 >> >>JONI MITCHELL: >>"CHALK MARK IN A RAIN STORM" >> by Anthony Quinn >>____________________________ >> >> >>Q: Where did drugs figure for you? >> >> >>A: I was late to try everything. I was so over-protected within this >> stable. When Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young did their first album >>all I knew was suddenly all their personalities were changing. Graham >>was getting thin: he wouldn't eat and he stayed up all night. I didn't >>know any of them was doing drugs. They would hide them and whisper when >>I was around. >> >> >>Q: But you eventually tried them? >> >> >>A: Oh yeah, I tried everything. Well, I never tried heroin because I >> thought, "What's the point? The worst that could happen would be you'd >>like it. But altered consciousness is completely tempting to a writer. >>I did some good writing, I think, on cocaine - Song For Sharon (Hejira), >>but it kills your heart, takes all your energy, puts it up in your brain >>and gives you the arrogance that, you know, ruined Jaco Pastorius. >>(After destitute years of drink and drug problems the former Weather Report >>and Mitchell band bassist died last September after being beaten up outside >>a Florida club.) I watched it ruin a lot of people. >> >>Q: Were you aware of being "the spokeswoman for a generation"? >> >>A: You mean via the song Woodstock? >> If I was a spokesperson nobody heard me, so big deal. > > > >FWIW: the person above paraphrased from memory, attributed it > to a specific article, and *still* got it wrong. > >it always a good idea to be careful about putting words >(or ones' own interpretation) into Joni's mouth. > >or perhaps Paul was speaking with tongue-in-cheek. it's often hard to tell. > > > >for now ~ take care, > >------- > simon >------- > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:59:32 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: that stevie wonder song (njc) michael sent his question to the m'shell ndegeocello list too, and this response is so informative, i thought the jonilist would be interested - -------------- Michael Yarbrough asked about Stevie Wonder's "I Never Dreamed You'd Leave in Summer"... I'd normally reply to Michael privately, but my info is sketchy, so I'm hoping someone else here can provide more. >having trouble determining a) if Stevie ever recorded it Good question! Stevie does not record all his songs... for example: The best known version of his "Since We've Ended As Lovers" is Jeff Beck's soaring instrumental cover, and the *only* person to perform the song with lyrics is his former wife, Syreeta Wright (the song was written about their divorce), although Syreeta's release has been long out-of-print. >and b) if so, on what album it appeared In this case, you're in luck, as I believe Stevie has several releases with this song, although there is only one am I absolutely *sure* is still in print: 1. "Where I'm Coming From" (1971)"... his first totally self-produced album, I'm not sure if this was ever re-released in CD format... I've only seen this in vinyl at used-record shops. 2. "The Wonder of Stevie" (1998)... 4-CD box set containing 71 'greatest' songs, including some new song versions with Babyface, Herbie Hancock and Wyclef Jean. 3. "Love Songs - 20 Classic Hits" Still in print? 4. "Stevie Wonder's Greatest Hits Vol. 2" Still in print? I think it also appears on the Poetic Justice (1993) soundtrack. John - seeing Gil Scott-Heron live tonight in Santa Cruz! - ------------------ cool, hey? and i was confused, 'cause i think we have a john p miller on the jonilist as well. same person? i don't own any stevie on cd so that boxed set is very enticing. his albums were absolutely central in high school and college, with songs in the key of life being the peak. we're so lucky to have this talent on the planet. patrick np - my bloody valentine - loveless ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:13:04 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: [none] Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:27:59 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Gene Siskel passed away. I'll miss him because I relied on his movie reviews (along with Roger Ebert's). If they both agreed, the movie was rated "Two Thumbs Up". Gene was the skinny, balding one. - -- Read me or de.lete me but don't try to shut me up, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:39:40 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: best concerts (sjc) there are considerations. seeing someone you really revere kind of sends you into a trance where your critical abilities might be a bit compromised. my first joni, last may in los angeles, the first night, i was in such a heavenly bliss that it seems like the best concert ever, but in retrospect it was probably the worst of the five times i saw her this year. she still had that cold and was pissy about that bad review in the bay area. still, i'll never forget 'slouching' that night. i must admit, though, she could probably play hejira on the kazoo and reduce me to tears. i've probably not attended near as many rock concerts as a lot of you. here are a couple of standouts: my first tubes concert, at the uc davis student union '77. just a completely fun concert, fee waybill was doing his glam rock character 'quay lewd' and the show was just a howler. i've seen the tubes about five times and they're always a blast. todd rundgren in sacramento on the 'accapella' tour. he had a major cold and the show started 90 minutes late because he had to fly from reno in a horrible snow storm, but he just sang his heart out and the show had been put together really nicely. accapella is an amazing album, and he toured with a 11-person choir. the best was 'lost horizon' (one of my all-time favorite songs by todd or anyone) as the opening to a marvin gaye tribute medley. 'when you sang how you felt, i told my self "maybe one day i'd sing with you" '. boy can i identify. my first two rickie lee jones for very different reasons. 1982 at the berkeley community theater, she was fucked up and fragile and still so musically brilliant. her versions of 'my funny valentine' and 'lush life' tore us to shreds. 84 - warfield theater sf, in much better shape, an artsy-fartsy but wonderful show. bette midler at the warfield in 84 as well. 1998. one of the best things about the joni in los angeles trip was van morrison. those sets, especially friday when he closed the evening, are very high in my pantheon. jane siberry at the bottom line, oct 97. lots of "when i was a boy' songs reconsidered as '70s funk. actually, there is no live performer i am more interested in right now than jane. each time i see her she mutates, wonderfully. and i've seen this complete unknown, joy askew, about five times this fall and have been just entranced. especially the highest profile-show, at 'shine' here in ny, when she had her favored drummer, bassist, lead (pedal) guitarist and a way-cool guest on tablas. my best live performances are completely outside of rock, though. they are: nusrat ali fateh khan at avery fisher hall - 93? altan (probably the last american tour before frankie kennedy died) symphony space - 93? einstein on the beach - glass/wilson BAM - 92 a mark morris dance concert that included songs by steven foster, weber, and franz schubert all sung by lorraine hunt, and ended with an amazing piece by lou harrison for modern gamelan orchestra, brass ensemble and 40-man choir. patrick jfp - my bloody valentine - loveless ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:48:02 -0600 From: Alan Subject: Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) Welcome back Ashara! I too, was amazed at all these people who could remember their first music on various media. I'm far too absent minded... plus, I had older brothers and sisters, so it often wasn't clear who owned what music; they were very generous that way. Can't use the latter excuse for CDs though; still, no way; too much music under the bridge. First concert? That, I can do: 1977 or 1978, REO Speedwagon at a medium-sized hall in downtown San Francisco (can't remember the name of the hall; I know I saw the ice follies there as a small child; I think it's gone now). This was way before REO turned pop, became momentarily famous, and sucked thereafter. It was just basic rock and roll back then, and they-were-awesome. They put out the Live album "You Get What You Play For" at about the same time; which perfectly captured all the energy and synergy they had then. Worst concert: Ted Nugent 1981. Band was so obviously subordinate, you could tell they called him "Mr Nugent, Sir." Loud beyond pain. Didn't know the words to his own simple songs. Alan Poff. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:09:52 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? > > > Paul > PS Did you know that when tea was first introduced to England it was > denounced as an effeminizer of men (obviously a bad thing in, I think, C17 > England) Maybe that accounts for the clothes! And how could one effeminze English men anyhow? > and in general a pernicious influence on the country. I'm not > joking either! > > -----Original Message----- > From: simon@icu.com > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk > Date: 22 February 1999 02:41 > Subject: Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine?? Say What!? > > >paul tyrer writes ... > >> > >>hi everyone > >> > >>let's not forget that Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine. > >>legalise immediately! > >> > > > > > >Paul, > > > >Really? > > > >where DO you come by this information? some article, some interview? > >to the best of my knowledge, Joni has only ever acknowledged writing > >-1- song under the influence of cocaine. > > > >and, what do you consider her best work? > > > > > > > >here's a little something from the JMDL Archives. > >> > >> > >>From: simon@icu.com > >>Subject: Joni & Heroin? (NOT) > >>Date: Thu. July 30, 1998 > >> > >>(name deleted) wrote > >>> > >>>BTW: Song for Sharon and I paraphrase: > >>> > >>>I wrote some of very good material on heroin. > >>>Song for Sharon I wrote, I think, on heroin. > >>> > >>>This is from the Q interview in 1988 written by Tom Sutcliffe (I think). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>given Joni's awareness of James Taylors' problem, it's difficult > >>to believe that she would ever have experimented with heroin. > >> > >>she's also denied it. > >> > >>from the JMDL Website. > >> > >> > >> > >>Q Magazine > >>May 1988 > >> > >>JONI MITCHELL: > >>"CHALK MARK IN A RAIN STORM" > >> by Anthony Quinn > >>____________________________ > >> > >> > >>Q: Where did drugs figure for you? > >> > >> > >>A: I was late to try everything. I was so over-protected within this > >> stable. When Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young did their first album > >>all I knew was suddenly all their personalities were changing. Graham > >>was getting thin: he wouldn't eat and he stayed up all night. I didn't > >>know any of them was doing drugs. They would hide them and whisper when > >>I was around. > >> > >> > >>Q: But you eventually tried them? > >> > >> > >>A: Oh yeah, I tried everything. Well, I never tried heroin because I > >> thought, "What's the point? The worst that could happen would be you'd > >>like it. But altered consciousness is completely tempting to a writer. > >>I did some good writing, I think, on cocaine - Song For Sharon (Hejira), > >>but it kills your heart, takes all your energy, puts it up in your brain > >>and gives you the arrogance that, you know, ruined Jaco Pastorius. > >>(After destitute years of drink and drug problems the former Weather > Report > >>and Mitchell band bassist died last September after being beaten up > outside > >>a Florida club.) I watched it ruin a lot of people. > >> > >>Q: Were you aware of being "the spokeswoman for a generation"? > >> > >>A: You mean via the song Woodstock? > >> If I was a spokesperson nobody heard me, so big deal. > > > > > > > >FWIW: the person above paraphrased from memory, attributed it > > to a specific article, and *still* got it wrong. > > > >it always a good idea to be careful about putting words > >(or ones' own interpretation) into Joni's mouth. > > > >or perhaps Paul was speaking with tongue-in-cheek. it's often hard to > tell. > > > > > > > >for now ~ take care, > > > >------- > > simon > >------- > > > > > > > > > > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #90 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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