From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #88 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, February 21 1999 Volume 04 : Number 088 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: Enthusiastic Record Purchases [The Humphreys ] Re: Best/worst concerts [Ginamu@aol.com] HOT PROPERTY [Ken Corral ] Re: First Times (NJC) long but true [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The Lyrics Book (In Italian) [Ken Corral ] Re: (NJC)Miss Otis ... and Libby Titus? [Jerry Notaro ] (NJC) Possible JMDL get together [luvart@snet.net] Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [LRFye@aol.com] Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams (and country music) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: The Lyrics Book (In Italian) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Best/worst concerts [LRFye@aol.com] Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Le Show [Ken Corral ] Madonna - Carey [Alan ] Re: First Times (NJC) long but true [LRFye@aol.com] Re: first times.. (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] A Request [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Best/worst concerts [Strummed@aol.com] Re: Carey [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: A Request [Mark Domyancich ] Re: (NJC) The Mojo Men [RMuRocks@aol.com] Fwd: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) [Strummed@aol.com] Fwd: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) [Strummed@aol.com] Fwd: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) [Strummed@aol.com] Fwd: Today In Joni History (2/20/99) [Strummed@aol.com] Fwd: First Times (NJC) long but true [Strummed@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:33:23 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) First Time: Genesis at Dodger Stadium, L.A. (1987), incidentally also the worst concert I've ever been to -- up to this very day! 2nd worst: Billy Joel in Frankfurt... I think he was drunk or stoned or both. That was the day I decided not to see big names in large venues anymore. Joni being an exception, of course! Best concert experience -- strictly musically: Capercaillie and Cherish The Ladies at Tønder Folk Festival in Denmark. These folk music players nearly always are incredible musicians -- you hardly ever get disappointed attending their shows. Best concert experience -- including "audience involvement": Popular Danish rock group "TV 2" at Aarhus stadionhallen. Great music and lots of crazy University students of the female kind -- what a dangerous mixture! Winfried, keeping the details to himself ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:06:02 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Both Sides Now - Mary Black interview Hi folks I'm having serious computer difficulties at present which means I can't download most of my JMDL post, so I don't no whether anyone has already reported on the Joni program which went out on BBC radio 2 last night. This was a recent and excellent interview with Joni and included clips from Elliott Roberts, Graham Nash and Natalie Marchant. The one hour program briefly covered Joni's whole life. A lot of the information was already well known to Joniholics but some was new and really interesting, at least, to me. For instance, Joni was very forthcoming about her relationship with Chuck Mitchell and still sounded somewhat bitter about it. She explained that he offered to marry Joni and to take her baby on board too. However, as soon as they were married he said he couldn't raise someone elses child. The night before the wedding Chuck's mother said of him, her first born child, that the first born is like the first of a batch of waffles you make, you use it to heat up the pan and then throw it away! Joni claims that Chuck was late for the wedding because he was out spending their wedding present money on a Porche. Later in the program Joni talked about the writing of "Stay in Touch". She agreed that it was inspired by her being re-united with Kilauren but said that it was also inspired by old Chinese wisdom and by her meeting of her boyfriend, Donald. She said that her relationship with Kilauren was coming on really well and that her relationship with her Mother had improved as a result. There's lots of good stuff in the interview, including Joni's views on Reagan and wife beating. I especially liked Graham Nashs' comments on her voice. He said that it used to be like a bell, but now, the very edge of the bell has become a little rusty but it's still full of emotion and she can still sing, contrary to many peoples' belief. So true! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:39:13 -0500 From: ken ziolkowski Subject: Any other veterans on this list (NJC)? Pretty much off topic, but are there any other veterans out there in JMDLand? Both Lori (LRFye@aol.com) and I are Air Force vets and we wondered if there were any other ones out there on the list? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:47:51 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase (NJC) In a message dated 2/20/99 8:21:05 PM Central Standard Time, JRMCo1@aol.com (Julius) writes: << Actually, that album doesn't belong on my "most enthusiastic" list, but rather on my "Peer Pressure Album Purchases" list. When I was sixteen, you just weren't cool if you couldn't strut and snarl out "Big Ten Inch" verbatum and play "Walk This Way" in its entirety on air guitar. I was enthusiastic about the prospect of being considered cool, you see.>> Oh yes, I can definitely relate, although I knew deep down I would never be cool in the same way that the other 16-year olds were, so I had to be cool on my own terms! <> My favorite of theirs has always been their debut - nice and raw, stripped down, pretty basic. They lost me when they got hung up on their nauseating string of power ballads, but like you said, it's neat to think that their popularity has spanned a generation. I wouldn't be going if my son wasn't interested.. << It's just that when I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed. >> Boy, I sure can't relate to *that* statement! :-) When I've got nothing special to say, well then, my dear, I just say nothing speci-a-a-a-a-l-l-l-l- l-l.... Bob NP: EWF, "Singasong", and I'm boogying in my robe & slippers... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:53:36 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re:First Times (NJC) long but true My first real exposure to pot was back in 1975 when I was 15 years old. I spent the summer in the Panama Canal Zone visiting my aunt and uncle and cousin. (aka "The Summer of the Almosts"). Some friends of mine turned up at the airport to see me off. When I asked them what they wanted me to bring them back from Panama, they said: "Panama Red!" I'm partially deaf and have a bad habit of assuming I've heard what was said, no matter how strange or off-the-wall. I thought they said "Panama Bread," and I agreed. "No problem!" I told them, "See you in three months!" It seems a bit silly in retrospect, but it made sense to me at the time. After all, New York had bagels, Paris had croissants, my dad went all the way into Brooklyn to buy a loaf of Swedish limpa for Christmas. Why shouldn't Panama have their own national bread product? Once in Panama, I started my quest in the obvious place: my aunt's kitchen. "Hey, Aunt Jane! Do you have any of that Panama Bread?" And she did not. Throughout the summer, as they took me around the interior and the Canal Zone, I would stop in small bakeries and grocery stores and open markets and asked if anyone had any "Panama Bread." It was not to be found and I started to consider buying pukkah shell necklaces for my friends back home. One evening, I was hanging out in a youth pub run by the Canal Zone high school and my new buddies asked me if I wanted to go someplace else that evening: "We scored some Panama Red!" and I thought they said "Bread!" and I knew I was just about at the end of my quest. Everyone piled into a car and we drove off into the night. I had no idea what bakeries would be open so late, but that was a small matter. These people lived here, I was only visiting. They sped right past the shopping district and finally pulled into a remote spot that looked out over the locks on the Canal. I wondered where we would get this bread at this spot, but I was determined to stay cool and did not ask. No one got out of the car. In the front seat, matches were scraped. Cigerettes! Smoking! And something that was not Marlboros! Passed around. Soon it would be my turn! Panic! What was this stuff? Thick smoke with a heavy, sweet smell. I wished that we would just get moving and go to the damn bakery. The glowing object makes its way to me. Never in my life had I considered smoking cigerettes, but my older sister did and I knew what they looked like. This wasn't one of those. Not even close. Thick and bulky, I did not even see a filter tip. I figured that the best defense was to pretend and placed it between my lips for a psuedo-inhale and passed it on. And made a mental note to change the batteries in my hearing aid. MG - who did not get around to inhaling until the Spring of '76 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:06:01 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Best/worst concerts I've not been to any horrible concerts, but the most insipid one was one by Neil Young at Madison Square Garden in 1978 or 1979. I think it was the Rust Never Sleeps tour. Short and dull, but the road crew dressed up as Jawas were cute and amusing. Couple of Bests: (besides Joni in 1982), Bonnie Raitt playing in Rochester, New York at a city-sponsored festival tent by the river. I'm thinking 1983. Backed by a great band, she smoked. Just incredible. David Bromberg at the University of Rochester - outstanding performer Arlo Guthrie with Shennadoah, (sp?) - terrific shows Those Darned Accordians - a novelty act that I wouldn't want to see everytime they roll into town but a terrific every now and then thing. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:54:44 -0600 From: "William C. Burnworth" Subject: Libby Titus question Hey everybody- Libby Titus is a singer-songwriter mostly known for co-writing "Love Has No Pride" with Eric Kaz. She released one album on Columbia in '77 and appeared on Saturday Night Live that same year. It's a great record. She's lately married to Donald Fagen and cowrote a song with him on his last solo lp..almost 6 years ago. Also, speaking as another Nina fan, has anyone out there heard any of her '90's import releases? Curious yet leery... Thanks everyone for the thought-provoking posts- William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:06:18 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Re: Enthusiastic Record Purchases > > Rundgren is the only artist I respect and admire as much as Ms. Mitchell. May > I recommend to the members of this choir that (if they haven't stayed in touch > with Todd's repertoire as I have) you take advantage of the Japanese remixed > reissues of Todd's albums...and pick up his work from the 80's and 90's > (whether they're reissues of not). Don't hesitate to grab copies of Utopia's > "Oblivion" and "POV", and equally important are Todd's "Nearly Human", "2nd > Wind", and "The Individualist". The later is an enhanced disc with alot of > fun stuff for those with a cd rom. > Terry > > Todd is also a favorite of mine for many reasons. I recently read a blurb in the news that he is currently touring with Ringo's All Star Band. Anyone have any info regarding that? FTR was one of my many enthusiastic record purchases. I was staying with my cousin at the time and had to listen to it in her bedroom with headphones. She kept interupting me with "what is that screeching noise coming from your headphones?" She's since been enlightened. I went to sleep that night with the headphones on and Joni's voice ringing in my soul. Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:12:20 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Best/worst concerts I saw Tom Waits open for New Riders Of The Purple Sage ... must have been 1976, at the Springfield Civic Center in Massachusetts. My best friend had a cousin who was a DJ and we thought he was really, really cool. He told us about all this great music and at my friend's family gatherings, he would sometimes bring music to play for the kids. He introduced us to Tom Waits and I was able to hear his version of Old 55, which The Eagles made popular. My friend and I were amazed that this gravely voiced ogre had written such a lovely song and we were instantly intrigued by him. To make a long story short, we went to the concert no so much for NRPS but to see Tom perform. Welllllll...the crowd HATED him and simply would not let him perform. There was Tom, hunched over his piano, doing his best to get through his set. About 20 minutes into it (and it was a LONG 20 minutes), he got up, put his arm up in the air, gave the crowd the finger and shouted "Fuck you, Springfield" and walked off the stage. My friend and I wondered if there was at least one other person in the crowd besides us who was disappointed to see Tom go off like that. In terms of crowd rudeness to the performer, I'd say this was the worse concert I've ever been to. Another worse concert was more recent. My husband and I saw Leon Russell about 10 years ago at a small nightclub in a nearby college town. We thought maybe it was an impersonator who put on a long, grey wig and sunglasses and sounded only remotely like Leon. Old, tired songs, off key and emotionless. We also considered the possibility that Leon had perhaps died and come back to haunt us. The best concert ever was the one and only time I saw Joni, on the Shadows and Light tour in Providence, Rhode Island. Never have I looked forward to a concert with such anticipation. I was crazy with emotion when she came on stage. Practically burst into tears, hugged my boyfriend till he hurt and wished the experience would never end. Edith And The Kingpin was my favorite song - she had rewritten some of the lyrics to it, which was such a nice twist on one of my favorite Joni songs. Oh, hell...this is just my way of saying the same thing many others have said but my enthusiasm knows no bounds, so bear with me! Thanks to Joni, I was introduced to Pat Metheny as a result of that concert and remained a fan till this day, though I haven't seen the Pat Metheny group in years now. I enjoyed the enthusiastic posts from other people on the list who are into Pat and Lyle Mays (that most mystical little gnome of a man with those magic fingers). My husband and I have seen the Pat Metheny Group about a total of 12 times and also Pat as part of more traditional jazz ensembles. Everyone take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:38:31 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: HOT PROPERTY This is hilarious! Joni is in the "Hot Property" column in the Real Estate section of Today's L.A. Times. Under the headline "Rocking and Renovating" the story recounts how she's put a home in the Hollywood hills that she's never lived in on the market for $829,000. This is a hoot because this column is always chalk full of "career" information about this or that celebrity and its main purpose is really to keep your name before the public...sort of like something your agent has planted so he can say he's earning his salary. The Satirist Harry Shearer (sp?) has a live Sunday morning show on KCRW called "Le Show" and one of the things he always does is read the Hot Property column. he always skips the lengthy career plug section of the articles and gets right to the dollars and cents stuff. Like which celebrity took how much of a bath on their real estate investment....wonder what he'll have to ay this morning? I know he likes Joni. But who could resist? KenC. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:57:41 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: First Times (NJC) long but true What a great story. So many wonderful writers on the list. We have to start collecting some of our recollections somehow. Maybe there is an Our JMDL Gang book in the future. Hell, we've already "published" our first cookbook. Jerry np: Liz Callaway - The Story Goes On ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: HOT PROPERTY - ---Ken Corral wrote: > > This is hilarious! > > Joni is in the "Hot Property" column in the Real Estate section of > Today's L.A. Times. Under the headline "Rocking and Renovating" the > story recounts how she's put a home in the Hollywood hills that she's > never lived in on the market for $829,000. > > This is a hoot because this column is always chalk full of "career" > information about this or that celebrity and its main purpose is really > to keep your name before the public...sort of like something your agent > has planted so he can say he's earning his salary. > > The Satirist Harry Shearer (sp?) has a live Sunday morning show on KCRW > called "Le Show" and one of the things he always does is read the Hot > Property column. he always skips the lengthy career plug section of the > articles and gets right to the dollars and cents stuff. Like which > celebrity took how much of a bath on their real estate > investment....wonder what he'll have to ay this morning? I know he likes > Joni. But who could resist? Here in the Philadelphia PA area, WHYY (90.9 FM) broadcasts LeShow from 11 PM to Midnight on Sunday night. Check your local NPR station for its broadcast time of this show. Brian np: NPR (are there any other worthwhile things on the radio anymore??) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:10:43 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: Re: The Lyrics Book (In Italian) This is a delayed response. Wally Wrote: "My thanks to Howard Wright for answering the question about the corrections he collected for Joni's "Lyrics" book. The publishers contacted me in early May saying that they needed the corrections within one week to meet their print deadline. (I'd negotiated with them earlier and they'd agreed to take the edits.)... I immediately phoned my contact at the publishers, but they'd already gone ahead with the process. This is not an excuse but perhaps an explanation..." _____________________________________ I just received in the mail on Friday from an Italian friend the Lyrics book, in Italian. (Joni Mitchell L' Opera Completa: Testi E Poesie) The cover photograph is different. Its credited to Aaron Chang and although its not the same photograph Les uses at the beginning of his jmdl site, its from the same photo session. There are the original writings in English and on the facing page are the Italian translations. All the errors are there in English and then faithfully translated into Italian. Actually, there may be some new errors like "Don Juan Reckless Daughter" instead of "Don JUAN'S Reckless Daughter." It does however, contain the lyrics for TTT. My friend feels that the translations are not particularly good but with my measly 3 semesters of Italian, I couldn't say. Now I'm off to take a closer look at it. Best, KenC- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:08:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC)Miss Otis ... and Libby Titus? Kakki wrote: > > Steven wrote: > > >Vicki Harris mentioned "Miss Otis Regrets" by Libby Titus. I'm not > >familiar with the song, or with Libby Titus -- but what's Libby's > >connection with Carly Simon? > Miss Otis Regrets was written by Cole Porter. Don't know Libby but Bette Midler had a big hit with it and it is part of her concert staple. Jerry np: Dusty Springfield-But It Was a Nice Dream ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:57:52 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Best/worst concerts In a message dated 2/21/99 9:08:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << I've not been to any horrible concerts, but the most insipid one was one by Neil Young at Madison Square Garden in 1978 or 1979. I think it was the Rust Never Sleeps tour. Short and dull, but the road crew dressed up as Jawas were cute and amusing. >> MG, I've seen Neil 4 times and two were wonderful concerts and two stunk. One of the stinkers was around 1974 in Chicago about the time he released his "Tonight's The Night" album. The second stinker wasn't quite as bad, just somewhat uneven, in 1991 in Orlando or Tampa. On the other hand, the time I saw him in 1972 just after the release of "Harvest" was one of the best concerts I've ever attended. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:00:55 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Enthusiastic Record Purchases At 10:06 AM 2/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >Todd is also a favorite of mine for many reasons. I recently read a >blurb in the news that he is currently touring with Ringo's All Star >Band. Anyone have any info regarding that? > They played at the Mohegan Sun casino this past Friday night. They showed a clip on the 11:00 news. It didn't sound all that great but that's over the TV. The review in the paper was so so. heather (a early TR fan) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:34:15 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) First Time: Van Morrison and Them at Longshoremans hall in SF, Ca. More like a blur except I was totally amazed at everything in the atmosphere, never having gone to a show before. The thing that still today sticks in my mind was hearing someone who was absolutely the best singer I had ever heard with so much control over the song. Ive seen van about 20 times since then and he gets better each time. Best Time: I have a top ten among the several hundred concerts I have seen and it is really difficult to choose since I have seen so many rock icons. My concerts go back to the heyday of the Fillmore when everyone was young and it only cost like 5 bucks to go see the best of all time. But here are my top five: (1) The Who 1968. I got to sit on the stage about 10 feet from Pete Townshend. At the end when they did My Generation there was Pete destroying his entire instrument ensemble including the amplifiers, threw his guitar up intro the air and it came down right on top of me. It seemed like a hundred people attacked the stack of broken guitar and I ended up scratched but survived and even ended up with a piece of his guitar. (2) Peter Gabriel Berkeley Greek Theater. While it would take a long time to describe this show, suffice it to say the best sound system I have ever heard. The band each had their own space on a remote part of the stage and there were no mics or amps. Just five people standing there with all this incredible sound of fabulous songs. A large glacier like object with each piece of it pulsating in a different color in time with the music. (3) Pink Floyd Fillmore West 1969?: Pink Floyd apparrently wanted to try out a new sound system. Something called "quadrophonic". They did an unnanounced gig at the old fillmore west at market and van ness in SF. There was I believe ONE radio announcement on ONE FM station. Fillmore west was about the size of a basketball courts playing surface. Imagine Pink Floyd playing this place with full sound system and only about 150 people in attendance. They had sound effects like trains going by and planes taking off that were so real you expected to get hit by a wing. Evereyone there had a beach blanket and got their own place to lay down on the floor in comfort. I will never forget the sound of mosquitos and gilmore and waters doing "grandchester meadows". (4) Ry Cooder 1980? Wolfgangs. John Hyatts band was the backup. Ry was ON that night and it was so good the crowd refused to leave. (5) The Who Berkeley Community Theater. 15 rows back center from the most intense rock show ever. An hour of their 45 rpm hits followed by the entire Tommy followed by the album Live at Leeds followed by some encore hits. At the end of Tommy as they sing the anthem like finale "Listening to you..." they turn on 6 powerfull skywriter searchlights and completely blind the audience as the music roars. Special mention: Ray Charles at Santa Clara U. The "genius" was playing our cafeteria (believe it or not) with Billy Preston and the Raylettes. My girlfriend got me in with minutes to spare and the only seat left was on the stage. So I ended up literally sitting about two feet from the keyboard in the overcrowded room. I those days things like this could happen. Rays hands were dancing right in front of me and I got hit by his sweat as he would get into his song. I will never forget "What'd I Say", and it was real hard to sleep that night. Other great concerts: Jimi Hendrix at Winterland Cream at the Fillmore (the famous seven days that started it all) Old Fleetwood Mac (Peter Green Danny Kirwin Jeremy Spencer) Kiln House Fillmore Big Brother at Fillmore west , last show with BB (got to rap at length with Janis all by myself) Bruce Springsteen at Winterland 1978 Kiss at the Cow Palace 1979 Worst Shows: The Lemon Pipers (pre-band for Hendrix) People were throwing things at them. Cream at San Jose Civic. By the time they played this show they were doing 20 minute boring endless solos on every song. They were so ripped you could see it from the last row. I was so disappointed it was so sad. Saddest show: The ARMS show for Ronnie Lane 1984. The show was awesome but Jimi Page was a disaster. saddest moment was watching the roadie lift Jimi's leg to untangle the chord from his leg like one would shoe a horse WHILE he played the beginning to Stairway to Heaven endlessly. A real Dada-ist moment. Since I had seen Jimi with the Yardbirds this was a shock and sad how far he had gone down the tubes. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:41:54 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: (NJC) The Mojo Men Since the thread about first music purchases, I've been doing a 45 marathon. I ran across the 45 of "Sit down I think I love you". Written by Steven Stills but recorded by The Mojo Men. I'm not the greatest at Rock history and was wondering if he was in this group or was anyone else of the "Joni" circle at that time? Answer me back privately if you know. The flip side was written by Jim Alaimo. Does this name ring any bells? Sorry for the NJC but with the association of CSN, I thought one of you might know. Thanks, Diana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:38:36 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: (NJC) Possible JMDL get together Hi all! Ric and I were talking about the Mary Cassatt exhibit now on at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. We were wondering if this would be a good opportunity to get some JMDLers together. The exhibit is on now through May 9th. A tentative plan would be to see the exhibit, get a good dinner in Boston and catch some live entertainment. This will take some organization so if anyone is interested please contact Ric or myself. For more info you can go to the website attached below. Are Ashara, Maggie, Chuck E, Gina, the Chili's a possibility? What about the NYC JMDLers? Heather http://www.boston.com/mfa/cassatt/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:54:14 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams Michael Y. wrote (several days ago): > I think the way I listen to Lucinda's music is similar > to the way a lot of Dylan fans listen to his. Does that help? Yes, Michael, it does help. Thanks to everyone for giving me pause and a desire to listen to Lucinda's album a few more times before giving it away ... Lori San Antonio NP: Right In Time (from Car Wheels On A Gravel Road) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:01:53 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams (and country music) Colin wrote: > I gave her album a listen recently too. I don't get it either. Sounded like > another country singer to me. Here's where I feel like I'm obligated to at least listen to Lucinda: back in 1977 when I first spent time in Texas (other than basic training, which doesn't count), I made the comment that the ONLY place I could accept country music being played would be in Texas. Now I live in Texas. So I have to listen to country music (and its cousin, Tejano), and after twelve years of living here, sometimes I find that I even like it. Lori, displaced Yankee who recently saw Tony Bennett and Terri Clark at the rodeo (on different days), and who actually liked Terri more than she might've expected ... San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:17:13 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: The Lyrics Book (In Italian) In a message dated 2/21/99 11:05:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, spyboy@earthlink.net writes: << I just received in the mail on Friday from an Italian friend the Lyrics book, in Italian. (Joni Mitchell L' Opera Completa: Testi E Poesie) >> Heads up, Detroit gang. Is this the book we saw on Joni's table at the hotel? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:42:12 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Best/worst concerts Although Seeing Joni in 1995 in New Orleans, and in 1998 in Bethel, NY, would have to be two of the highlights of my concert attendance, neither of those performances rate as my best concert (sorry for the blasphemy). Best: kd lang, 1992, Majestic Theatre, San Antonio -- this was simply the most professional, near-perfect performance I have ever witnessed. kd's pipes are simply amazing, and her band was crackerjack. Worst: probably the Indigo Girls, again 1992 in San Antonio, and mostly because their sound system sucked -- way too loud and full of distortion within the walls of the nearly-acoustically-perfect Majestic Theatre. I was in the fourth row and could barely understand a word or a chord. Honorable Mention: Lynyrd Skynyrd, 1975, Cleveland, OH -- although I found their backdrop of a huge rebel flag upsetting, they kicked musical ass and their performance of Freebird brought tears to my eyes ... Lori San Antonio NP: Lucinda, Jackson -- okay, y'all, I'm liking this album better ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:43:04 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) > (3) Pink Floyd Fillmore West 1969?: > Pink Floyd apparrently wanted to try out a new sound system. > Something called "quadrophonic". They did an unnanounced gig > at the old fillmore west at market and van ness in SF. There was I > believe ONE radio announcement on ONE FM station. Fillmore west > was about the size of a basketball courts playing surface. Imagine > Pink Floyd playing this place with full sound system and only about > 150 people in attendance. They had sound effects like trains going > by and planes taking off that were so real you expected to get hit > by a wing. Evereyone there had a beach blanket and got their own > place to lay down on the floor in comfort. I will never forget the sound > of mosquitos and gilmore and waters doing "grandchester meadows". There is a rare video of this concert that I once saw on KQED, SF's PBS station. I think they replay it every five years or so. I would love to see it again, I always wondered why the crowd was so mellow, now I know; there wasn't one! I saw Floyd at Winterland in '72 with their 16 channel sound system, doing "Dark Side" a year before it came out, and it ranks as one of the best shows I have seen. You have been to some incredible shows, bud! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:59:31 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: Le Show Hot Property Update: Shearer did read the item during the first half of the show this morning. He was fairly merciful, relaying the dollar amounts, when she bought it (two years ago) and a few other relevant details. The article says in part, "Mitchell was ready to give up pop music two years ago, but then she met her daughter, Toronto Model Kilauren Gibb, for the first time since giving her up for adoption in 1965. Mitchell has credited much of her new enthusiasm for music to her renewed relationship with her daughter." Harry read this portion and noted dryly that "this is the Real Estate section ladies and gentlemen." But at the end of the segment he wished her luck. Some Background: The "Hot Property" column began, I believe some time in the eighties when there was a particular type of insanity going on in the Southern California Real Estate market. I mean it was a real frenzy. The column became very grim though, in the early nineties when people were losing large amounts of money, hence the which celebrity took what kind of bath angle. Things are much better now. In fact, the column has been expanded to twice weekly. Now let's see, if Joni bought this place two years ago and did a decent job of renovating it, she stands to do quite well. She's no fool in the business dept. And she made "Hot Property" ! That ought to help get it sold. People are actually back to paying above the asking price in some areas...Oh boy! Over and out, KenC- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:07:45 -0600 From: Alan Subject: Madonna - Carey Last night at Borders I finally picked up “Shadows and Light.” I put the first disk in my car player in the parking lot and enjoyed it, very much, on the way home. Later, as I was cooking dinner, I went to put on disk 2 and discovered it was broken in half! Today I took it back for an exchange, and wouldn’t you know it, no more left. Since I had paid with a check, and couldn’t get a refund (okay, I confess, I didn’t ask; it was a perfect excuse to get more music) I ended up buying Bruce Cockburn’s “Stealing Fire” (no opinion yet) and, due to the praise I’ve seen here on this list, Madonna’s “Ray of Light.” I am just blown away by this album. I’ve never been a fan of Madonna, nor has techno rock ever done anything for me. But I swear, rolling down the freeway with the sound at a decent volume; not one, not two, but three songs in row gave me chills. Beautiful sounds, intricate rhythms, flawless production. I’ll have to see how it ages, but that was an amazing first impression. Thank you to all of you who recommended it. Total change of subject: Last month, I was watching a movie with my 8 year old Son, and there was a scene where some people made a toast and then threw the glasses in the fireplace. My Son asked, “why did they do that Daddy?” I told him the idea was, after a special toast, you break the glasses so they’re never used for a lesser purpose. He thought it was a neat idea, but kind of silly; he thought about it for a minute and said, “good thing they didn’t throw themselves in the fire too!” (I just love the way this kid thinks.) Anyway, a few days ago, I was listening to “Blue” and came across the line in Carey, “And we’ll laugh and toast to NOTHING and smash our empty glasses down.” And I thought, what is that about? Existentialism, or just drunken revelry? Any ideas? Alan Poff. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:13:15 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: First Times (NJC) long but true Mary Grace! I laughed my buns off at your tale! What a riot! And great storytelling! > Thick smoke with a heavy, > sweet smell. I wished that we would just get moving and go to the damn > bakery. Mmm hmmm, I'll bet your friends wished for a late-night bakery, too!!! : D Lori, still chucking in San Antonio NP: Milton Nascimento, Yauaretê ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:41:43 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: first times.. (NJC) Paul Tyrer brought up an interesting category: > LP bought for the cover alone My purchase in that category would be Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures (1979), which I bought in 1985 at a used record store in Bremerhaven, GE. I still love that very 3-D cover, and a couple of apartments ago I had it hanging in my hallway ... Lori, catching up on old mail ... San Antonio NP: Nancy Wilson, I Wish You Love ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:52:00 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: A Request Hi everyone- I lost my copy of Joni's appearance at the Wells Fargo Theatre from 1995. It was on TT#6 and I think it was a C-90. If someone could dub this one for me it would be great! For blanks and postage, of course. Thanks so much! Mark NP-Paprika Plains ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:52:32 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Re: Best/worst concerts saw joni mitchells concert of the shadows amd light tour in san francisco at the civic center september 8th 1979. i know because i'm staring at the ticket stub, an excellent souveneir of an even more excellent night of music. at the time i was an avid photographer and noone seemed to mind that i was snapping away sans flash. the music that poured out from that stage was staggering along wit some new bends that i hadn't realized could be played and it seemed that sometimes even the musicians were caught by surprise and the world was a great place to alive. i thought to myself good god almighty how can a live album be far away if this is what there doing and PLEASE please PLEASE let it be of tonights caliber. it took about a year b4 shadows and light hit the stands and i'm there on the day of its availabilty throw it on the turntable and waiting to revist the experience again and much to my dismay i couldn't beleive what i was hearing. at best it may have been half of the intensity of the san francisco concert. aaarrrrggghhhh!!!!! big time to the 10th power. any 1 got a bootleg recording of that night?? even bill grahmn was there which wasn't anything unusual smiling away diong what seemed to be an interview afetr the show. alas if only the experience and the commercial product could only have been closer to each other, but what a great oppurtunity missed. guess we all have to make sacrifices but it doesnt dimminsh my love and passion for joni's works. not in the least. she owns me. and yes it goes without saying that that night was definetly in the top 5 best concerts of the several 1oo i've been to. now if theres anyway i can throw a couple of the snaps i took that night onto this forum i'd be more than happy and what is the liabilty and responsibitys can any1 inform me please ? yes i'm new to this and want to make the rite decisions. also listen to KINGS X, and the GALACTIC COWBOYS. Yours musically, CHRI$. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:08:10 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Carey Alan writes: <> Well, she does immediately enumerate the things they're drinking to: "these freaks and these soldiers...these friends of mine...the bright red devil who keeps me in this tourist own." The character is prepared to drink to everything, and thus toast to, or specifically honor, nothing...giving equal status to her friends, random freaks and "the devil." If not quite drunken revelry, it certainly conveys a sense of euphoric reckless abandon. One could make a case that the glass breaking rituals described in "Carey" and depicted in the movie are consistent with one of the precepts of existentialism, which stresses the irreducible uniqueness of an ethical or religious situation. - -Julius np: Lenny Kravity, "Fly Away" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:15:11 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: A Request Nevermind! I just found it! :-) At 1:52 PM -0600 2/21/99, I wrote: > Hi everyone- > > I lost my copy of Joni's appearance at the Wells Fargo Theatre from > 1995. It was on TT#6 and I think it was a C-90. If someone could > dub this one for me it would be great! For blanks and postage, of > course. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:20:18 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) The Mojo Men Diana, Here's what Lenny Kaye's "Nuggets" compilation says about "Sit Down I Think I Love You" by the Mojo Men: "The Mojo Men were originally on Autumn Records, out of San Francisco, and were first known, are you ready, as Sly & The Mojo Men, featuring the very same Mr. Stone who once upon a time took you higher. There, under the helm of Sly & Tom Donahue (though by then Sly wasn't appearing on the records) they put together several good songs, of which only "Dance With Me" did anything much. When Warner Bros. bought Autumn, they took the Mojo Men with the deal, and it was then that Van Dyke Parks and Lenny Waronker came into the picture, producing a session on Steve Stills' "Sit Down I Think I Love You" which went top 40 in February of 67. By this time, however, it was doubtful the group could be completely called The Mojo Men, as they had added a she-drummer named Jan Errico, formerly with the New Tikis". So, it looks like Stills was not involved with the tune other than writing it, but some cool trivia nonetheless... Bob NP: Jericho from DJRD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:17:46 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_919635467_boundary Content-ID: <0_919635467@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_919635467_boundary Content-ID: <0_919635467@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Strummed@aol.com Return-path: To: whuehn@stud.uni-goettingen.de Subject: Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:19:54 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i've been to many outstanding concerts. hands down as doug pinnick from Kings X sings "and each 1 of them was best" so i'd have to say that the last 1 i've been to was best and wouldn't you know it was the KINGS X and GALACTIC COWBOYS TOUR here this past january 21st 1999, at the edge in palo alto ca. the kind of show where damn near EVERYONE IN the crowd is singing along with the bands and quite well i might add. YOU KNOW ITS GOOD WHEN THE BAND STOPS SINGING but continues to play and just wants to listen and it can be seen that they are visibly moved by the spontenanety of the moment, as doug said " damn it's the KINGS X CHOIR" how rite you are doug!! the total communal experience and not to shabby considering that the the theres 10 guys to evry 1 woman there. (LADIES TAKE NOTE). a big fat atta boy should also go to the 1st band warm up act "SWERVER "they were in our face and it was obviuos they came to play and meant business. yours musically, chri$. - --part0_919635467_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:16:10 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_919635371_boundary Content-ID: <0_919635371@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_919635371_boundary Content-ID: <0_919635371@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Strummed@aol.com Return-path: To: whuehn@stud.uni-goettingen.de Subject: Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:19:54 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i've been to many outstanding concerts. hands down as doug pinnick from Kings X sings "and each 1 of them was best" so i'd have to say that the last 1 i've been to was best and wouldn't you know it was the KINGS X and GALACTIC COWBOYS TOUR here this past january 21st 1999, at the edge in palo alto ca. the kind of show where damn near EVERYONE IN the crowd is singing along with the bands and quite well i might add. YOU KNOW ITS GOOD WHEN THE BAND STOPS SINGING but continues to play and just wants to listen and it can be seen that they are visibly moved by the spontenanety of the moment, as doug said " damn it's the KINGS X CHOIR" how rite you are doug!! the total communal experience and not to shabby considering that the the theres 10 guys to evry 1 woman there. (LADIES TAKE NOTE). a big fat atta boy should also go to the 1st band warm up act "SWERVER "they were in our face and it was obviuos they came to play and meant business. yours musically, chri$. - --part0_919635371_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:25:08 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_919635910_boundary Content-ID: <0_919635910@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_919635910_boundary Content-ID: <0_919635910@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Strummed@aol.com Return-path: To: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: First Time/Worst Time (NJC) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:57:40 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit for what its worth my 1st concert experince was when i was in the 4th grade and 2 of my brothers took to me to see of all bands the THE YOUNG RASCALS, not the racscals now but the YOUNG RASCALS, you know "groovin" and "Its a beautiful morning", hell yes excellent show once i got used to the volume and started to understand the concept of jamming. i hung in their pretty good 8 or 9 year old especailly since this was a 1o'clock concert at the music circus in lambertville new jersey (which is now long gone) and i had to be back in trenton to serve a mass at immaculate conception church by 6 p.m. so this i do but there's only 1 thing wrong. i'm damn near deaf and barely can hear anything. what a state of affairs. "oh by the way father giles, i just got back from the young rascals concert and i cant hear a freaking thing, find another altar boy." so as it goes these same 2 brothers went on to see the beatles play at shea stadium. they left me at my fathers house that night i'll never forget it especially the headlines in the newpapers the next morning. so many peolpe injured at the concert. what the hell were my brothers doing ? all so strange sometimes from a 9 year olds perspective. but getting back to the young rascals concert. at the end the organ player left a handkercheif on his organ afetr they left the stage, up runs this attractive young female from out of the audience and snatches it then turns and runs back into the crowd. OH!!!! THATS WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THE FEMALES TO NOTICE YOU. Yours musically, chri$ . p.s now those 2 brothers are the biggest holy rollers going. beware of who you attend the young rascals concerts with. - --part0_919635910_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:07:58 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Today In Joni History (2/20/99) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_919638478_boundary Content-ID: <0_919638478@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_919638478_boundary Content-ID: <0_919638478@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Strummed@aol.com Return-path: To: Harpua@revealed.net Subject: Re: Today In Joni History (2/20/99) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:34:48 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on that note, i'll never forget this happening. my girl freind at the time was a huge joni mitchell fan. i'm 17 , she's 16 +/-. shes says to me "why dont you got with us up to newark new jersey,( from trenton we are and newarks about an hour away +/-) to see joni mitchell play in concert?" i said "thanx but no thanx. " but she was persitant and asks at least 2 more times and she throws in a " i know you would really like the show" which had some truth to it being i knew her music only ever so limitedaly thought about it again and decided not to go still. in retrospect, this was her court and spark tour on top of it all. i RUE the day. what an oppurtunity lost and a great claim to some huge bragging rites left by the wayside. we still talk about it. the 1 time i wish she said your going you stoned dolt and thats all their is to it. damnation. as i recall when she got back from the concert that she attended with another freind or 2, i asked her how was the show, she replies it was awesome and wait until joni reads the letter she wrote her." i said ok "must have been a whopper." patricia, look at the mess you got me into now and loving every minute of it. eternally and musically yours. chri$. - --part0_919638478_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:09:21 EST From: Strummed@aol.com Subject: Fwd: First Times (NJC) long but true This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_919638564_boundary Content-ID: <0_919638564@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_919638564_boundary Content-ID: <0_919638564@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Strummed@aol.com Return-path: To: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: First Times (NJC) long but true Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:08:59 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit excellent idea. thinking the same thing myself and not only that with all thats going in the pot its a great source of material for lyrics. but whos going to handle the royalties and credits hunh ? careful what you say, and contribute alas the percentages may tip in someone elses favor. yours musically, chri$ - --part0_919638564_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #88 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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