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JMDL Digest Saturday, February 20 1999 Volume 04 : Number 086
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: intro, lucinda [Mark-n-Travis ]
Re: Carly Simon (JC) ["Kakki" ]
Re: album obsessions (njc) ["Kakki" ]
NJC ...just other good music [Jeff & Vicki Harris ]
Nina Nina (NJC) [Catherine Turley ]
Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
First Time/Worst Time (NJC) [Catherine Turley ]
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:31:08 -0800
From: Mark-n-Travis
Subject: Re: intro, lucinda
Kate wrote:
> I have always thought the song 'Passionate Kisses'(first heard sung by Mary
> Chapin-Carpenter) was very heartfelt and yet simple and true and witty--I
> love the sentiment expressed, that we deserve all the tiny pleasures of
> life as well as the passionate kisses of our beloved-- and when I found out
> that Lucinda Williams wrote it, I was impressed. She gets her point across.
This song is on the recently reissued cd of Lucinda's first record
titled 'Lucinda Williams'. Her version is great. There is also a
really fine song on that record called 'Side of the Road'. It's about
the need for solitude in a relationship:
You sit there in the car
By the side of the road
Let me go and stand awhile
I wanna know you're there but I wanna be alone
If only for a minute or two
I wanna see what it feels like to be without you
To know the touch of my own skin
Against the sun, against the wind
There are also several live tracks recorded for various radio programs.
Lucinda can really sing a blues song and some of these are the best cuts
on the cd. I think both Lucinda & Lauryn Hill have that something to
their singing that Joni says cannot be faked. I also had trouble with
the sound of Lucinda's voice when I first listened to 'Car Wheels on a
Gravel Road'. She almost sounds like she's singing flat on the first
track. But once you get used to it she really has a unique sound that
cuts straight to the heart of her material. In some ways Car Wheels
makes me think of Carole King's Tapestry - they're very different but
they both contain deceptively simple songs sung in a less-than-pretty
voice, straight from the heart. And like 'Tapestry', 'Car Wheels' is a
breakthrough album by a songwriter whose material has been covered for
years by a variety of respected artists.
Welcome to the list, Kate of the North!
Mark in Seattle
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:41:40 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Carly Simon (JC)
Evian asked:
>I am really curious about Joni's opinion of Carly's music. Does anyone
know Joni's opinions of >Carly's recent work?
Second hand which I related to colin awhile back. When Marsha and I met the
sweet Robbie Cavolina, I was quite curious as to Joni's feelings about
Carly. I loved Carly when her albums first came out but then was upset with
her for my perception that she stole James T. away from Joni in a rather
callous manner and made Joni very sad. Well, Robbie said that Joni
absolutely loves Carly, her songs, and herself, and that they are good
friends. He also said that they love to dish about James.
Kakki
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:46:15 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: album obsessions (njc)
Patrick wrote:
>as for waiting anxiously, i used to hang on the edge of my seat waiting for
>todd rundgren albums. the two that most met the hopes were 'healing' and
>'hermit of mink hollow', listened to them to death when they came out and
>still am happy to pull them off the shelf.
We should start a thread of albums that we have played to death I also had
to have "Hermit of Mink Hollow" when it came out and swear I played it
almost everyday for about a year.
Kakki
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:08:45 -0800
From: Jeff & Vicki Harris
Subject: NJC ...just other good music
Thanks to a thread (from quite a while ago), I picked up a copy of the
Dusty Springfield CD...Dusty in Memphis...at my local library. wow
I don't remember who did the recommending, so sorry...
You know who you are...thanks!
Vicki
what I wish was n.p.--
Miss Otis Regrets...Libby Titus
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:00:23 -0500
From: Anne Madden
Subject: Lucinda on Saturday Night Live (NJC)
Lucinda Williams is the musical guest tonight on Saturday Night Live.
With Lucinda you don't get a fancy hairdo or the beautiful clothes. She is
very down to earth. What you see is what you get. She doesn't put airs on
for anyone which is probably why she doesn't fit into the mainstream
country or pop genre like so many other popular artists.
Colin wrote -
>I gave her album a listen recently too. I don't get it either. Sounded like
>another country singer to me.
Michael Yarborough wrote -
>It took me a long time to warm to this album. I had the exact
>same reaction the first few times I listened to it in record stores.
>The so what? problem, I call it. Sure the songs seem fine, but
>not great. I was wrong.
Michael, I agree wholeheartedly. I had the exact same experience. "A
listen" does not do this CD justice.
Lucinda's lyrics are sheer poetry. She fully deserves all the accolades
from the critics and her peers.
After I bought Car Wheels I worked backwards. I now own all her CD's and
love every one of them.
I agree with Gina's comments about Emmylou's Wrecking Ball album and the
comparison between Lucinda & Neil Young; also that Gillian Welch is another
great singer/songwriter. I bought her Revival album (on a recommendation
by Deb Messling, I couldn't find her other CD, Yearling?). This is another
CD it took a while to warm up to but now I love it!
Anne
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:16:35 -0700
From: Catherine Turley
Subject: Nina Nina (NJC)
"New York City is my favorite place for a honey moon . . . in a ho-tel
room"
Hello, my name is Catherine, and I'm a Nina Hagenholic.
Would never have dreamed that I'd admit that in public. There, I'm out
now.
Going back to my corner to collect myself andtry to stop whimpering.
CUT
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:19:35 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase (NJC)
In a message dated 2/19/99 7:21:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com
writes:
<< And I guess some of the toys would be "Bows and Aeros"?
Bob, playing JMDL police for the night, who also has tickets for me & Nathan
to see Aerosmith here in Greenville on 04/17. >>
Bob, a word to the wise. Invest in some earplugs if you hope to keep your
hearing until you're 50.
Paul I
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:30:06 -0700
From: Catherine Turley
Subject: First Time/Worst Time (NJC)
In the spirit of Colin's thread of what was your first pop concert, I
was reminded of a game my coworkers and I once played when I had a
dreadful college student nightshift telephone job--everyone had to
recount not only the first concert they went to, but the worst, and why.
Those worst stories were usually quite hilarious.
First for me was Billy Joel in Sept. 1978, and worst by far was The Cure
at the Utah State Fairgrounds in 1984--came on an hour and a half late,
were pissed off about who knows what, thrashed their instruments and
spit at the audience--still have no idea what was up--but it was pretty
awful. Maybe it was the livestock stalls nearby.
Anyone else?
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:39:07 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC ...just other good music
In a message dated 2/20/99 12:10:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
treadmill@centuryinter.net writes:
<< Thanks to a thread (from quite a while ago), I picked up a copy of the
Dusty Springfield CD...Dusty in Memphis...at my local library. wow
>>
It would not surprise me if you found many dusty records at your local
library.
Paul I
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:30:09 -0500
From: "Eric Taylor"
Subject: Re: Cotton Avenue
Harper Lou wrote:
<>
Come to think of it, Lou, it was Cotton Avenue through The Silkey Veils
Of Ardor that addicted me to Joni. Before that she was just one of my
favorite artists. I bet I've played DJRD more than any other album. It's
flawless from the first note to the last word.
Now that I think of it, I vote DJRD the album I'd crave most if stranded
on a desert isle. But I would miss Paprika Plains the most....
E.T.
NP: DJRD
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