From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #85 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, February 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 085 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (NJC) Joni As Psychic Friend ["Kelly Loughran" ] Joni Mitchell Companion - book [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Carly (NJC) [catman ] NJC: legal weed (long) [Howard Wright ] Re: NJC: legal weed (long) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Carly (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Chelsea Morning [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Chelsea Morning [MGVal@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #84 [Louis Lynch ] Shana Morrison [MGVal@aol.com] Re[2]: Chelsea Morning [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Most enthusiastic album purchase [Jerry Notaro ] Re[2]: JMDL Digest V4 #84 [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] intro, lucinda [Kate ] Re: intro, lucinda [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Let's all go crazy ["Marsha" ] Lucinda, Joni, and Lynn [Jerry Notaro ] Birthday girl [Mary Pitassi ] Re: Spinal Tap, Tim Buckley & the Monkees--NJC [Debra Kaufman ] Re: coffeehouses, SDS [Debra Kaufman ] Carly Simon [evian ] Nina Hagen (NJC) [evian ] Joni hits top of the chart [Bounced Message ] drugs legalization [Bounced Message ] Re: First 45s, LPs, etc [Bounced Message ] nina hagen (NJC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) ["John Wasak" ] Online Auction - Music Collectibles (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase ["Kakki" ] Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: first times.. ["paul tyrer" ] Re: Lucinda, Joni, and Lynn [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase [JRMCo1@aol.com] album obsessions (njc) [patrick leader ] Re: Lucinda, Joni, and Lynn (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Carly (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] Re: NJC: legal weed (long) [catman ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #84 [catman ] Re: Let's all go crazy [catman ] NJC Weed [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] joni Dreams [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:16:40 PST From: "Kelly Loughran" Subject: Re: (NJC) Joni As Psychic Friend This is in response to Lori in San Antonio and her joni synchronicities.I have a little experience I'll never forget...it was around 1980 or somewhere there abouts,i had this dream where i entered this bookstoree the walden pond in los gatos ( which in actuallity was out of business)and as i was walking up to the second level straight ahead of me on the rack was this book and it had images of joni on it.i was thrilled to have found it!until i woke up.that morning i mentioned to my roomates this dream i'd had and wondered out loud if this book really existed....a few days later i was playing frisbee in front of the local high schoolwith my friend eric and this girl i'd seen always around town came riding up on her bike and it so happened eric knew her.she was beautiful with short brown hair aand the prettiest crystal blue eyes.iguess i noticed her because she always had on this beret.anyways she invited us over across the street to her house actually an old four-plex.so were sitting on her floor in her living room smoking a joint and im thinking to my self this is the room i lost my virginity in!yep this is the very same room i let the town hotdog vender seduce me in in 1975.go ahhead LOL.well next i notice a stack of paintings leaning in the doorway and start to flip through them and i say you know this one reminds me of joni mitchells cover of mingus,ilike it!at that comment she gets up,crosses the room to her bookcase aand pulls out this book-the same exact book image that was in my dream!called starart.what arush.i could hardly contain my excitement as i recalled my dream to them.goosebumps for all of us.she offered to sell it to me but i was really broke at the time.we went on getting aquainted and it turned out both our mothers were afflicted with the same disease multiple sclerosis,they were the same age we were the same age.me a taurus she a libra.both ruled by venus.my mom with saturn in her house of health,hers?still im a firm believer you get what you look for and maybe on some unconcios level i had seen that book cover at some other bookstore out of the corner of my eye or something,didnt process it,dreamed about it,and then it showed up.well none the less it excites my imagination and makes me wonderif there is some kind of spiritual connection there.perhaps its the fact that i was born with the moon in cancer,not to mention venus and mars and i may have aheightened sensitivity tojonis pain.and just like kilauren,i too was separated from my mother at an early age.i know it sounds like im due for some medication but i cant help but amuse myself with all these auspicious scenarios.i could go on but thats enough for now. SIQUOMB,kelly >From owner-joni@smoe.org Fri Feb 12 19:01:41 1999 >Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) > by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA13876; > Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:01:31 -0500 (EST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id WAA19635; > Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:00:29 -0500 (EST) >Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:00:27 - -0500 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id WAA19626 > for joni-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:00:17 -0500 (EST) >Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id WAA19622 > for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:00:11 -0500 (EST) >From: LRFye@aol.com >Received: from LRFye@aol.com > by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7QDAa01440 > for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:56:05 +1900 (EST) >Message-ID: <44f2c08c.36c4e9c5@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:56:05 EST >To: joni@smoe.org >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Subject: (NJC) Joni As Psychic Friend >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 >Sender: owner-joni@smoe.org >Reply-To: LRFye@aol.com >Precedence: bulk > >I've tagged this NJC because it's really rather self-indulgent and doesn't >include anything that I would call actual JC ... > > >Days ago (I'm just reading stuff from 2/8), Marilyn wrote (in the "driving >with JC" thread): > >> You see my life is nothing but ONE BIG JONI song! I think she follows me >> around or at least predicts my future!!!!! > >I discovered Joni when I bought Hejira during in the spring of '77 when I was >in Air Force tech school in Mississippi. After graduating at the end of the >summer that year, my first assignment was Fortuna Air Force Station, North >Dakota (situated on some paprika plains just about 3 miles south of >Saskatchewan). For the next 22 months, I continued my life's struggle with my >emotions and feelings concerning women, while trying to prove to myself that I >was "normal" (you can figure out the details). > >In June of '79, I said goodbye to my boyfriend Larry and left Fortuna in my VW >Beetle, bound for Phoenix, Arizona. I was about a month from turning 21. On >the way to Phoenix, I stopped in Manitou Springs, Colorado, to see a tech >school friend who was visiting her sister there. The sister had a party that >weekend, and invited just about every mountain woman in the vicinity. This >event turned my way of thinking inside out. To think that there might be >other women like me ... > >In February of 1980 (on Valentine's Day, to be exact), I received my first >kiss from the woman who shortly thereafter became my first girlfriend. > >Later, listening to Song for Sharon, these words jumped out at me: > >"Sharon, I left my man > At a North Dakota junction" > >Yep, I sure did. And ever since, I've felt like Joni had predicted my future! > > >Throughout the last 19 years, I've noticed many, many "Joni synchronicities," >but I'll save them for another time. > >Anyone else got a Psychic Joni tale to tell? > >Lori >San Antonio > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:30:16 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: First time (NJC) After smoking hemp for a year without any results I did a bong of stalks in my buddies attic New Years Eve 1972 listening to Pink Floyd Meddle on his new quadraphonic system and will never forget that night! The blacklight illuminated truckin' posters which sucked me into their animation. I was a cartoon character jumping from frame to frame lost in Echoes! To this day that is the highest I've ever been. To answer a question raised about hemp in a previous post: hemp is cannibis (marijuana). It all contains THC although India hemp (which George Washington urged Thomas Jefferson to grow) has a higher level of THC. The fact that George wrote in his diary: "Seperated the Male Hemp from the Female Hemp" (published by the U.S. Printing Office) proves that he was growing dope to smoke. For the only reason to separate the male from the female hemp is to produce sinsimillia - the most potent form of marijuana. And while we're contemplating history, it was the Hindu god/dess Shiva who introduced hemp as a sacred sacrament to be smoked. So is it not a Constitutional right? Jah Mon! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:52:33 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Companion - book I saw this at Barnes and Nobles on line site recently: Joni Mitchell Companion: Four Decades of Commentary by Stacy Luftig Format: Hardcover ISBN: 0028653335 Publisher: Macmillan Publishing Company, Incorporated Pub. Date: May 1999 FYI, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:53:06 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be is the song and yes she wrote it with Jacob Brackman. I am not one to flatter (lie) but I was surprised we are the same age Patrick. I saw the photo's from the Julie bash and saw you(I thought) and assumed you were in Michael Y's group! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:00:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: NJC: legal weed (long) A few of my thoughts on the discussion: As Winfried pointed out already, what I guess can be called the "European stance" on hash seems to be a sensible way to go. It doesn't have to be legalised. The police can decide to adopt a policy of not punishing people for carrying small amounts. In the Netherlands, which has coffee shops where you can buy grass/hash or joints over the counter, smoking pot is *still illegal*. It's just that the police never preosecute. They spend their time on what I think are far more serious crimes. In The UK, and in several other european countries, the attitude is pretty similar. If you get caught with a joint or a small amount of hash, you get a caution, and the police confiscate your "naughty substances" (I'm sure many cops enjoy a quiet smoke of the confiscated material in the privacy of their own homes!). You don't get thrown in jail or fined. What's the point? It's a waste of time. Let the police spend their time dealing with the real crimes. So I don't see a need for legalizing. The government and the police can adopt an attitude where people are not punished for enjoying an occasional smoke. Bob Muller wrote: >I think the fatal flaw with the arguments I've read for legalization is >the misconception that if it were legal consumption would remain a >private matter, with folks only continuing to smoke in their homes. I >don't think this would be the case. Look at alcohol, it's consumed in >private, sure, but in public at bars, sporting events, restaurants, etc. >If pot were legal, it would eventually take on the same status with "pot >bars", etc. I don't have a problem with this. It seems to work very well in the Netherlands where, interestingly, there are a *lower* proportion of young adults who regularly smoke pot than in the USA where it is illegal. Abuse of hard drugs is also less common in the Netherlands I believe. From: Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com >There is also a cost to society for smoking weed. For example, higher >insurance costs because >of auto accidents in which the driver was high and didn't react fast >enough to prevent hitting another vehicle. > >Some people say "As long as the smoker does it in his own house he's not >bothering anyone else." > >Well, suppose that person is a doctor, and you're the one he's going to >operate on later that day? All fair points, but ones that apply equally to alcohol. I wouldn't be keen on having a doctor operate on me if he had drunk a couple of beers at lunch time. And the insurance costs for cars and the risks of accidents increase in a similar way when people smoke pot or when they drink alcohol. If these are arguments against a more tolerant approach to pot users, why aren't they equally valid criticisms of the current approach to alcohol users? There are obvious risks associated with people in positions of responsibility (car drivers, pilots etc) using any kind of drug which impairs their abilities to do their job. I put alcohol and pot in the same category here. It is right to punish people who drive while drunk, and it would be equally right to punish drivers who are stoned. As Colin mentioned, there are tests available to detect pot use. God knows how many thousands of people are killed every year as a result of drunk drivers. Of course, there would be similar problems if more people drove a car while stoned, but the problem is already here with alcohol in a big way! The statistics on the proportion of entrants into hospital accident and emergency wards on Friday and Saturday nights are also pretty enlightening. In the UK at least, I believe that around 80-90% are alcohol related. I also agree with Alan who wrote about hash as a "gateway drug": From: Alan >I'm not sure I buy into the notion of marijuana being a "gateway >drug." While I'm sure it's a true statement that most heavy drug users >tried pot first; correlation and causation are different, and not to be >confused. I'm sure they also tried beer first... heck, you can follow >that logic all the way back to baby food. This point cannot be made often enough. The finding that 95% of heroin users started smoking cannabis doesn't tell you much. How many herion users would you expect to have started drinking beer before they smoked pot? I'd say about 98%. What is important is the proportion of cannabis users who go on to use drugs such as herion. I don't know the figures, but I'd guess it was under 1% Probably the same as the proportion of beer drinkers who go onto use heroin. The kind of people who end up abusing hard drugs have the kind of personality that makes it difficult to refuse any kind of chemical thrill, so they will probably start with beer, and move to vodka, whisky, pot, speed, coke, heroin ... To single out pot as the "gateway drug" is misleading and, I think, inaccurate. I'm also a follower of the "Bill Hicks" approach, which has also been put forward by other list members. If you want to do something in the privacy of your own home that doesn't adversely affect other people, why should anyone have the right to say that what you do is "wrong" or illegal? Yes - children and other family members *can* be adversely affected by someone who spends most of his/her time smoking pot at home. This problems shouldn't be overlooked. But the equivalent problem with alcohol is, sadly, all too familiar to many people. It could even be worse as alcohol tends to increase people's violence and agressive behaviour. Bill Hicks said (paraphrasing): When's the last time you went to a football or a baseball game and there was someone loud and obnoxious sitting nearby, cursing and generally pissing people off? Now, was he drunk or was he stoned? Ever seen two stoned guys try to fight with each other? Hey buddy! Hey you! (15 second pause while guy no.2 tries to focus and compose a reply) Aaah, me? (20 second pause as guy no. 1 tries to remember what he was going to say) Err, that's OK (giggles) Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:09:17 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: legal weed (long) In a message dated 2/19/99 6:05:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk writes: << You don't get thrown in jail or fined. What's the point? It's a waste of time. Let the police spend their time dealing with the real crimes. So I don't see a need for legalizing. The government and the police can adopt an attitude where people are not punished for enjoying an occasional smoke. >> The reason for legalization is as much economic as anything else. If it's legal, it can be grown in quantity in the U.S. and then taxed at both the wholesale and retail levels. As long as it is illegal, most of it will continue to be imported and it will remain a drain on the American economy, as billions of dollars flow out untaxed to Mexico, Jamaica and other places. Paul Ivice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:09:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/18/99 11:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > trxschwa@bway.net writes: > > << remember this. a girl singing 'my father sits in the living room > something, something. his cigarette glows in the dark.' the chorus was > 'so you think it's time we moved in together. and raise a family of our > own. well i guess it's time we moved in together. we'll marry.' >> > > "That's the Way I Always Heard It Should Be" remains in my mind Carly's best > song for it's irony and emotion, plus she does a little belting of her own in > there. A great song. And pretty shocking for its time. Very feminist stuff for that era. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:25:23 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Chelsea Morning Once again I need to put my ignorance in display...the other day my son and I are in the car and "Chelsea Morning" cranks out of the CD player. Nathan asked me "Dad, what *is* a Chelsea morning?" To which I answered, "uhhhhhhh....." My 12 year old stumped me with a Joni question!! :^) Now when I think of "Chelsea" I think of England (Bill & Hillary's kid notwithstanding)- is that the significance here or what? Bob NP: Cactus Tree, live from PBS (TT #5) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:30:24 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning In a message dated 99-02-19 09:28:03 EST, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > Now when I think of "Chelsea" I think of England (Bill & Hillary's kid > notwithstanding)- is that the significance here or what? > Nope, it's the neighborhood in NYC where Joni used to live. My kids and I sing on Saturdays: "Woke up it was a weekend morning and the first thing that I knew, today is finally Saturday and we don't go have to go to school...." MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 06:40:50 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #84 RE: First album purchases, Don't look now, folks, but revealing our first album purchases also is showing our ages. Do you realize that there are young adults out there who have never even seen an 8-track tape! The thread's enjoyable though, and I'm glad I'm not the only one whose first purchases seem a little corny now! Here's an idea for a spinoff: What was your most enthusiastic album purchase? Mine was Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. I heard it played late one evening on an FM album hour show. When I heard Joni purr "Cotton Avenue" the first time, my entire body chemistry changed. I had goosebumps, heart flutters, heat flashes and another surprising but purely involuntary male response. I woke up the next morning, threw on some haphazard clothes and drove straight to the closest record store. I think I told the clerk, "I need the new Joni Mitchell album, it's an emergency!" The album didn't leave my turntable for at least three or four months, and I soon killed it from overplay and had to replace it. No other line of music has ever had that same effect! Some others have produced goosebumps, yes. That warm feeling, yes. I'm a professional musician, so I hear a lot of music that thrills me. But no other album has ever made me crazy like that. And no other song has ever displaced Cotton Avenue from the top of my list of favorites songs. Anybody else out there go crazy on an album like that? Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:45:05 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Shana Morrison Thanks to Kakki's great posts, I'm not going to miss Shana's performance in Davis at the Palms. She'll be playing w/ Roy Rogers, (the blues guitarist, not the hamburger), on March 13th. If there are any JMDL'ers planning to attend the show, please e-mail me! MG np: so late for the day I may as well go back to bed..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:49:38 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Chelsea Morning Thanks, MG! I knew I'd get a quick answer to that one...at least I didn't tell him to "go ask your mother" :^) Bob ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Chelsea Morning Author: MGVal@aol.com at fdinet Date: 2/19/99 9:30 AM In a message dated 99-02-19 09:28:03 EST, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > Now when I think of "Chelsea" I think of England (Bill & Hillary's kid > notwithstanding)- is that the significance here or what? > Nope, it's the neighborhood in NYC where Joni used to live. My kids and I sing on Saturdays: "Woke up it was a weekend morning and the first thing that I knew, today is finally Saturday and we don't go have to go to school...." MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:54:19 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Most enthusiastic album purchase Louis Lynch wrote: > > What was your most enthusiastic album purchase? Most definitely, The White Album. Stood in line at our university record co-op to get it first. Ran to a buddy's dorm room, and was blown away. Still in my top 5, 30 years later. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:10:03 -0400 From: Lisa Durfee Subject: Re: John Kelly John Kelly AS JONI MITCHELL AT > THE P.S.1 CONTEMPORARY ART CENTER IN LONG ISLAND > CITY, NEW YORK, ON SUNDAY THE 21ST OF FEBRUARY AT > 4PM IN "THE VAULT". > FOR INFORMATION AS TO HOW TO GET THERE YOU CAN CALL > 718.784.2084. DE-lurking here in upstate NY....John I saw you a couple summers ago under a big outdoor tent in Rhinebeck NY and as a huge Joni fan my-whole-life I have to say I was a little shaky at first about the whole idea of an homage/impersonation thingy-whatever-you-call it. It really was amazing. Your vocals on YTMoI'm a Radio a la Miles of Ailses blew me away! I've only seen Joni once live, when I was 14 in 1975. Your show was really a treat (I was the one who got all the inside jokes) Lisa......(I LOVE this list!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:03:11 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: JMDL Digest V4 #84 Harper Lou makes a Lou-Lou of a confession with: <> Holy Black Crow, Lou! That depends on what your "purely involuntary male response" was...:~) I've been "stimulated in that special male way" by a couple of record covers, but never by the music itself. I guess the ones that I bought and listened to with the most enthusiasm were: Stevie Wonder: Songs In The Key...I remember sitting up in bed listening to it on the radio - I was mesmerized, stayed up til 2AM thinking about it. XTC: Black Sea - The first side, like DJRD for you, stayed on my turntable (Side 1) for about a month. When I could crank it up and feel those big drums pound, it was chilling! Bob NP: Joni, "Get Together", same Tape ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:50:45 From: Kate Subject: intro, lucinda Hi Folks I'm new to your crowd, enjoying only my second digest today. In my circle of friends, I am the only Joni fanatic, so it's a pleasure to find others like myself. I am from Saskatchewan, Joni's home province, and have lived in and still spend time every year in Saskatoon, the small city where Joni grew up, so apparently we have some mutual acquaintances though I haven't had the good fortune of meeting her. Except in the occasional dream...and she was a sweetie, there. I have always thought the song 'Passionate Kisses'(first heard sung by Mary Chapin-Carpenter) was very heartfelt and yet simple and true and witty--I love the sentiment expressed, that we deserve all the tiny pleasures of life as well as the passionate kisses of our beloved-- and when I found out that Lucinda Williams wrote it, I was impressed. She gets her point across. Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:59:19 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: intro, lucinda Kate intros herself: <> Welcome Kate, there's always room for one more! :^) <> And about 99.5 % of us fit into this category too... <> Cool! Hope you can dig up some fun Joni-stories to share!! Bob in South Carolina NP(Now Playing): Jethro Tull, "Teacher" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:02:50 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Let's all go crazy HLou asks us: >Anybody else out there go crazy on an album like that? Why, yes.... "To the Zoo"-- age 4 "Mary Poppins"--- age 10 "The Sound of Music"--- age 11 "For the Roses"--- age 19 "Brain Salad Surgery"--- age 20 "Court and Spark"--- age 22 "HOSL", "Hejira", "DJRD"--- ages 23, 24, 25 to middle-aged crazy today "Black Cars"--- age 32 "Plumb"--- age 44 and still up to this minute Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:49:31 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Lucinda, Joni, and Lynn I've mentioned Lynn Miles before. She is a huge Joni fan and fellow Canadian. She has a new cd out which is great and this review compares her to Lucinda. by John Lupton Lynn Miles - Night In A Strange Town (Philo) Night In A Strange Town is the second Philo release from Quebec-born singer and songwriter Lynn Miles, following up her 1996 effort Slightly Haunted. Like one of her early influences, Karla Bonoff, Miles has a vocal quality that conveys strength and assurance on the surface, while hinting at a deep reservoir of mystery, intrigue and heartache underneath. Most of the eleven original songs on Night In A Strange Town deal with love found and lost, certainly territory that's been well-covered by songwriters through time immemorial, but like her American contemporary Lucinda Williams, Miles has a knack for finding new stories to tell without being trite or repetitive. She does venture into other themes on two of the album's more interesting tracks, though. In the opening "Anywhere" she sings optimistically that "a wind is blowing through my heart, the angels are riding on my tires." On the other side of the coin, though she's now based in L. A., and says she really does enjoy living there, "Sunset Boulevard" is a sardonic, damning portrait of the "City of Angels": "There's lithium in the streets, there's rats in the trees The temperature is always seventy-six degrees When the mighty fall here, they fall real hard And the Marlboro Man just watches them on Sunset Boulevard" Whatever mood she's in, the blend of folk, country and rock that Lynn Miles deals out on Night In A Strange Town is consistently thoughtful and thought-provoking, a refreshing change from much of the formulaic pap that flows out of L. A. and Nashville these days. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:24:52 -0600 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Birthday girl Happy 34th birthday, Kilauren! . . . And many more. . . Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:52:14 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: Spinal Tap, Tim Buckley & the Monkees--NJC >SPINAL TAP. Maybe it's humor is >too British? Seemed sort of formulaic and very predictable to me and the >music was unmemorable. I love this movie. Have you see Waiting for Guffman, its predecessor. It is A HOOT!! This is a reach, but we're such an eclectic group, it's worth a shot. One of my all-time favorite singer-songwriters is Tim Buckley. I heard that he appeared on an episode of The Monkees. Does anybody know about this, know the number of the episode? I'd love to get a copy. Thanks. And thanks for the Carly content! DK ****************************************************************** "It's not what you say, but mostly how you feel it." Tim Buckley ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:01:19 -0500 From: "John Wasak" Subject: Re: Two Guys in New Jersey - NJC It really must be a small world when several members of a list of about 500 or so people can recall their early LP purchases as having been made at a Two Guys store in New Jersey! All I can say is, me too! I bought some great classic LP's at Two Guys like "Sgt. Peppers", "Are You Experienced" and "Disraeli Gears". The last two just based on the covers alone. Of course, it wasn't always the best strategy for buying albums. I came up with a few real clunkers this way too....Anybody remember The Peanut Butter Conspiracy? Yep, bought that one at Two Guys too. Regards, John http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/6026 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:13:01 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: coffeehouses, SDS Pat, I liked your brief history of the music/folk scene. It was just the curve ahead of me, but I"m really interested in that time. And the followup question from Kakki: >You've mentioned the SDS a few times here. At the point I learned about >them (around 1969) they seemed to have had a reputation for violence to >achieve their ends. (I actually had to do a term paper in Government class >in 1970 researching them!) My question (just out of curiousity) is whether >they initially were as "radical" as they came to be known later? When I was a freshman at U of I, I went to some SDS meetings and heard speeches from SDS folks. I'm sure there were variations of radicalism, depending on what university one was at. These speakers were radical if by radical you mean Marxist rather than liberal. They'd done their homework from the old left but departed from them too. But they did advocate a union of workers and students working together to end the war and other things as well--liberty and justice for all (pretty radical, huh?)--thus I think they were sincere, earnest, fiery, impatient. Unfortunately, thanks to J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, this group and others were infiltrated by "agents provacateurs." These agents usually were the ones trying to advocate violent acts; the purpose of course was to destroy these organization's credibility. Debra K ****************************************************************** "It's not what you say, but mostly how you feel it." Tim Buckley ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:29:14 -0600 From: evian Subject: Carly Simon > True, Colin, sort of unfortunate for her that she was branded as a "singles" > artist instead of an "album" artist (if that makes sense). > I agree totally. Carly's COMING AROUND AGAIN has some awesome tracks that I think would really have opened her up to a wide audience had she been depicted as more than a singles artist (Do the walls come down and Two Hot Girls, in particular). Also, LETTERS NEVER SENT is amazing, especially for the songs "Like a River" and "Touched by the Sun" (one of my all-time favorites). I am really curious about Joni's opinion of Carly's music. Does anyone know Joni's opinions of Carly's recent work? Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:35:25 -0600 From: evian Subject: Nina Hagen (NJC) > Oh, look, here's another 12" single: Nina Hagen's version of My Way! > (Yikes!) > LOL, ok, I gotta admit... I got Nina kicking around in my collection too... Prima Nina in Ekstasy or whatever it was called... and some long-ass remix of "Universal Radio", and of course, "New York, New York". At the time, I thought she was cooler than cool... now, it makes me giggle, but I still dust off Prima Nina once in a while just for a walk down memory lane. Whatever happened to Nina, anyway? Last I heard was in the late 80s when she was marrying that 17 year old who was an alien or something, and they were putting out some maxi-single about their alien wedding or something.. it was so bizarre... Evian, who now has the line "I'm da mudder of punk, so WHAT the funk" running through his tired head. P.S. Sorry for the total NJC, but it ain't often you find people who admit to having Nina in their collection! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:45:54 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni hits top of the chart From: Gerald McNamara Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 4:48:21 UTC Something funny is happening here in Melbourne, Australia. For years Joni was almost unheard of (... Joni who ??). But this month : *tracks from TTT are being played regularly on ABC radio *the Conversation With Joni CD (with Jody Denberg) is being serialised on 3RRR-FM *the Painting With Words and Music video is in the shops *TTT has hit number 1 on the Top 40 in Rhythms magazine ! It's getting to the stage where I won't be surprised to find myself sitting next to Joni herself on the train, on my way home from work. -Gerald Mac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:46:35 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: drugs legalization From: "paul tyrer" Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:43:29 -0000 hi everyone let's not forget that Joni wrote her best work while taking cocaine. legalise immediately!! PX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:47:40 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: First 45s, LPs, etc Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:18:10 -0800 From: pmeyer First 45: Hey Jude? First LP: Mamas & Papas; Young Rascals First Cassette: Imagine First CD: James Taylor's New Moon Shine My first JONI LP was Miles of Aisles. Paul M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:50:57 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: nina hagen (NJC) evian- i love NINA- NINA NINA TANTA TINA! nunsexmonkrock is still one the freshest, sassiest rock records ever- from the beginning of anitworld...'when jesus was walking this way here on earth, he met a man who possessed by deeeemmmmoooooonnnn' to ufo's... 'ufo upon kyoto... it's a totally different energy.' Dr Art shows-up on most of my compilation tapes. and the earlier stuff- Unbehagen, Nina Hagen Band, the singles... superboy, TV Glotzer.. she is the momma of grungegothoperarockschlock! 'croissant pour moi?' wolfie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:30:21 -0500 From: "John Wasak" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) Marsha writes: >John seemed somewhat dismissive of JBrooke with: >>Jonatha Brooke's "Ten Cent Wings" is a nice folk/rock CD and nothing more. >>I hear it as sounding a good deal closer to the music of Shawn Colvin, >>especially her "A Few Small Repairs" CD, than anything by Joni Mitchell. > > Marsha, I wasn't being so much "dismissive" of Jonatha Brooke, as I was saying that I thought she wasn't in the same league as Joni. I personally don't hear where she's being equally inventive or original. This is not necessarily a bad thing, a lot of music I like isn't always inventive or original. FWIW, I own "Ten Cent Wings" and listened to it quite a bit when I first got it. The reason I picked it up in the first place was because I heard her doing a live solo spot on a local radio show (WFUV). I thought she had a nice voice and thought her guitar playing was good. I was dissapointed that the CD was produced in a more "radio-friendly" way, meaning they added much more in the way of electric guitars, drums,etc. than I had initially heard and would have preferred. Consequently, I found my favorite track to be "Annie", the only solo track on the CD. My response, in the context of the original post, was that although in the review quoted the reviewer seems to link Jonatha with Joni, I'm not reminded of Joni when I hear Jonatha Brooke. However, I'm strongly reminded of Shawn Colvin and a good deal of the other female singer/songwriters that have emerged in the ' 90's. This, of course, is all merely a matter of opinion and preference....You say potato, I say potahto. Regards, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:56:38 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Online Auction - Music Collectibles (NJC) Through another list I learned of this upcoming auction. This information is copied from the Interactive Collector website at http://www.icollector.com - Kakki Hits Under The Hammer Coming soon to Interactive Collector's Internet Auctions is Hits Under The Hammer, the largest online auction of music memorabilia ever. You will have the chance to bid for over 170 lots of signed original lyrics from a host of stars from the Sixties to the Nineties. The Rolling Stones, Elton John, Julian Lennon, Kim Wilde, Adam Ant, Enya, Aretha Franklin, George Michael, the Brand New Heavies, Don Black, The Zombies, ABC, Engelbert Humperdinck, Tom Jones and Chaka Khan are just a handful of the artists featured in the auction Meanwhile, featured songs include It's Not Unusual, The Way We Were, Kayleigh, Would I Lie To You, Love Changes Everything, I Wanna Be Free, I Knew You Were Waiting, Blue Eyes, Bette Davis Eyes, Ocean Drive, Diamonds Are Forever, Up Where We Belong and Stand And Deliver. The auction, which is part of a live event at London's Sound Republic, goes live at Internet Auctions on 15 March and runs until 29 March. You will have the chance to enter prestigious competitions, discuss the singers and the lots in the Community, and participate in conferences with the stars themselves and industry experts. Bids will start from as little as $100 and all the proceeds go to Nordoff Robins Music Therapy and Norwood Ravenswood. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:15:22 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase Louis Lynch wrote: > What was your most enthusiastic album purchase? I can't name just one! On a limited budget in my youth, it was all the sweeter to finally scrape up the money to satisfy my music jones. The albums I recall being most obsessed and possessed to get in my youth were: Rubber Soul - Beatles Mr. Tambourine Man - Byrds Disraeli Gears - Cream Moondance - Van Living in the Past - Jethro Tull Blue - Joni Songs in the Key of Life - Stevie Aja - Steely Dan Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:35:17 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) In a message dated 2/19/99 2:31:56 PM Central Standard Time, mrjw@earthlink.net (John) writes: << My response, in the context of the original post, was that although in the review quoted the reviewer seems to link Jonatha with Joni, I'm not reminded of Joni when I hear Jonatha Brooke. However, I'm strongly reminded of Shawn Colvin and a good deal of the other female singer/songwriters that have emerged in the ' 90's. >> I just picked up Plumb this afternoon and already like it a lot - the most obvious comparison to me would be Sarah M... Bob NP: Jonatha, "Full-Fledged Strangers" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:10:34 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Re: first times.. Hi Paul I don't pretend to understand your reply... But seek counselling *soon*! PX - -----Original Message----- From: IVPAUL42@aol.com To: paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk ; joni@smoe.org Date: 18 February 1999 22:18 Subject: Re: first times.. >In a message dated 2/18/99 4:45:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, >paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk writes: > ><< My friends tell me they could > have predicted my later sexual preferences just by taking a sneaky peak thru > my record collection age 10! > > First 45 - Barry Manilow - Mandy (1972) > (I know, I know...) > > First LP - ABBA - Greatest Hits (1974) > (credible in retrospect, but very dodgy throughout the 80s) >> > >Hmm. Let me guess. You like sex with dogs? >;>) > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:53:43 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Lucinda, Joni, and Lynn In a message dated 2/19/99 11:52:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > I've mentioned Lynn Miles before. She is a huge Joni fan and fellow > Canadian. She has a new cd out which is great and this review compares > her to Lucinda. > I heard Lynn Miles on the radio today - a song called Sunset Boulevard. Excellent. It's stayed in my head all day. Also caught the tail end of a song by Patricia Barber AND missed her show Wednesday night! Damn! As for Lucinda, I love her. I heard her interviewed a few years back on my local radio station and she seemed every bit as genuine and warm as her lyrics suggest. I think of her as a sort of female Neil Young, another artist whose work is often deceptively simple, very sincere and heartfelt. I'm not comparing style here, just heart. I liked Passionate Kisses but the song that really roped me in as a Lucinda fan is Six Blocks Away (I think that's the title from the cd before Car Wheels, I believe. I don't own the cd but hope to soon). Those of you who are familiar with song will know why I love it. My Internet connection is not functioning right now, but also if I remember correctly the LW homepage doesn't contain lyrics. I wish I could include the lyrics to the song in my post. It's essentially about unrequited love, which could have turned out to be the same ol', same ol', yet Lucinda makes one feel his agony so keenly that one can only considered her brilliant. There is literary talent in her blood, as her father is an accomplished poet. I've got to either start reading or deleting, as I'm way behind on the JMDL mail. Everyone take care. Gina NP: May This Be Love - a Jimi Hendrix song covered by Emmylou Harris on her Wrecking Ball cd - one of my top ten favorite cds of the 90s. This cd, incidentally, also contains Emmylou's cover of Lucinda's Sweet Old World. Lucinda has some of the best fans going! Since I mentioned Neil Young earlier, I have to add that the title song is written by him. Anyone know if he's recorded it? Oh, now we've gone into Orphan Girl by Gillian Welsh, on the same cd. What a record! Does this qualify as enthusiasm? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:41:13 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase << Louis Lynch wrote: > What was your most enthusiastic album purchase? >> As a teenager and pre-teen I couldn't couldn't wait to buy the following albums: - - "Maze featuring Frankie Beverly" - Maze - - "Too Hot to Handle" - Heatwave - - "Toys In the Attic" - Arrowsmith - - "Mister Magic" - Grover Washington - - "4 Way Street" - CSN&Y - - "ABC" - The Jackson Five - - "In the Pocket" - James Taylor Those were the days... - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:47:01 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: album obsessions (njc) marsha wrote: "To the Zoo"-- age 4 was the full name "train to the zoo"? one of my childhood obsessions. it was about 4 10" records in a box with bright kiddie illustrations and a full color booklet with all the lyrics. as an adult, the most i ever got obsessed with an album was kate bush's 'hounds of love' and it's still one of my top five albums of all time. as for waiting anxiously, i used to hang on the edge of my seat waiting for todd rundgren albums. the two that most met the hopes were 'healing' and 'hermit of mink hollow', listened to them to death when they came out and still am happy to pull them off the shelf. patrick np - billy strayhorn - lush life ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:08:13 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Lucinda, Joni, and Lynn (NJC) In a message dated 2/19/99 4:57:52 PM Central Standard Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << the song that really roped me in as a Lucinda fan is Six Blocks Away (I think that's the title from the cd before Car Wheels, I believe. I don't own the cd but hope to soon).>> Gina, the title is actually "Sweet Old World"...if you like Car Wheels, you'll like this as well... << I've got to either start reading or deleting, as I'm way behind on the JMDL mail. >> Well, I vote that you read!! :^) <> Yes, he recorded it on his CD "Freedom", which is the only record that Rolling Stone has given 5 stars to on its release (in recent years anyway...) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:11:50 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Most enthusiastic album purchase (NJC) In a message dated 2/19/99 5:44:40 PM Central Standard Time, JRMCo1@aol.com writes: << - "Toys In the Attic" - Arrowsmith >> And I guess some of the toys would be "Bows and Aeros"? Bob, playing JMDL police for the night, who also has tickets for me & Nathan to see Aerosmith here in Greenville on 04/17. BTW, Julius, glad to see you posting again - where have you been? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:43:07 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) Patrick wrote: ><< remember this. a girl singing 'my father sits in the living room > something, something. his cigarette glows in the dark.' the chorus was > 'so you think it's time we moved in together. and raise a family of our > own. well i guess it's time we moved in together. we'll marry.' >> > Paul wrote: >"That's the Way I Always Heard It Should Be" remains in my mind Carly's best >song for it's irony and emotion, plus she does a little belting of her own in >there. > This song always reminded me of works by F. Scott Fitzgerald. A social theme in an odd romantic way. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:44:23 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: legal weed (long) Howard-although the situation here is sometimes as you describe regarding dope, it really depends on who you are, where you are, what colour you are and the attitude of the individual policeman. They don't always ignore it and people end up in court for having just a tenner draw on them. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:55:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #84 I am 40 and I have never seen an 8 track. I had to ask kakki to tyell me what it was. I must have been in a down phase when they were around! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:02:40 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Let's all go crazy Marsha-I loved The Sound Of Music. Still do. Seen the film about 50 times. And I had the lp as a kid but I didn't buy it. I used to know all the words to every song. I even imagined myself as Maria tho today I think the blonde Nazi was more interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:01:09 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: NJC Weed Hi Patrick and list Not long ago I saw a doco on the subject.The cotton gin had just been invented,I think, and the folks who had invested heavily in the industry wanted to eliminate the competition(hemp).They were nice and friendly with the circulation hungry-newspaper editor and the publicity- hungry minister ,who were more than likely involed financially as well.So they informed the public of this evil dangerous weed and changed the public image of dope forever.They were also aware that the major users were blacks.Now theres some money hungry bastards with an agenda. Cheers Michael >couple of comments >1) pot was made illegal in the 30s as the result of a circulation >hungry-newspaper editor and a publicity-hungry minister. there was a >racist aspect to the crusade, as well. http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html michaelb@coolgold.com.au Either we are alone in the universe ...........Or we're not............ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 02:26:35 +0000 From: catman Subject: joni Dreams Have any of you ever dreamt of a new Joni, either seeing the cover or title in the dream and then later, when the album was released, it was as you dreamt. I have not but did so with 3 Carly's albums. I dreramts that i had been in the jungle and had come across Carly in a ball gown holding a flame torch in one hand. Sevral months later Torch was released. years later, within months of eachother, I dreamt of her HYSML album, again in pictuire form. i also dramt I was in her house and she was at a grand piano on top of which was a photo of her I had never seen. She told me she was doing a new album. On awaking I took no tocie as she had already released a new album that year and certainly wouldn't be for a long. A short time later, the same year, she released My Romance and the cover was the photo I had seen on her grand piano. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #85 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. 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