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JMDL Digest Friday, February 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 084
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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depeche mode (njc) [evian ]
Re: Attn UK jimdles - Joni on the Beeb [Joseph Palis ]
Re: First time (NJC) [catman ]
Re: First Albums, cd's etc.. (NJC) ["Phil Klein" ]
Re: depeche mode (njc) [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: Carly [Debra Kaufman ]
Re: A Pot Thing (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Carly [catman ]
(Almost) NJC-- "Alternative Country" [w evans ]
RE: JMDL Digest V4 #83 [Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com]
Car Wheels on a Gravel Road [Anne Madden ]
Re[2]: Carly (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com]
Re: NJC - Legal Weed [Don Sloan ]
Re: Carly (NJC) [catman ]
RE: NJC-Lucinda Williams [Michael Yarbrough ]
NJC: legal weed [Alan ]
Re: First time (NJC) [jan gyn ]
Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [TerryM2442@aol.com]
first times.. ["paul tyrer" ]
Smells Like Taco Spirit + Joni info [michael paz ]
Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ]
NYTimes and Knoxville's Old City (NJC) ["Marsha" ]
Re: Jonatha Brooke (a little JC) ["John Wasak" ]
Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ]
Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [catman ]
Re: NJC: legal weed [catman ]
Re: JC in TV Guide [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) ["Marsha" ]
Re: Carly (NJC) [Joseph Palis ]
Re: Carly (NJC) [Mark-n-Travis ]
Re: Carly (NJC) [catman ]
Re: Carly (NJC) [catman ]
RE: Carly (NJC) [patrick leader ]
Re: Carly (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: JMDL Digest V4 #83 [John Kelly ]
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:22:43 -0600
From: evian
Subject: depeche mode (njc)
> 12" single: either Billy Ocean's Caribbean/European Queen (on see-through
> green vinyl, no less!), or one of two by Depeche Mode (I still have these)
>
Ooooh Lori!!! Depeche Mode had the most awesome remixes!! LOL, I still
have my two 12" singles for "Master and Servant" (the black and blue
remix and the Slavery Whip remix), and some reeeeeaaaalllly long remix
of "Everything Counts". Damn, I gotta dust these off, hook up the
turntable, throw some gel in my hair, slap on my swatch, take off the
socks a la Don Johnson, and bop around my basement! Thanks for
reminding me of Depeche Mode!
Evian, who was always puzzled why "People are People" was on two albums
simultaneously!
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:29:46 +0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Palis
Subject: Re: Attn UK jimdles - Joni on the Beeb
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Deb Messling wrote:
> Wow! Would this Mary Black be the wonderful Irish singer who did a
> cover of Urge for Going?
Yes and a wonderful version. That. Mary Black's BABES IN THE WOOD is
really a well-paced album with "Urge for Going" rounding things up.
Joseph
np: Dianne Reeves "Morning Has Broken" from THAT DAY ...
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:01:27 EST
From: CarltonCT@aol.com
Subject: Two Guys in New Jersey - SJC
This recent thread brought me back to my own childhood in New Jersey, where I
bought all my records at the Two Guys in East Brunswick. It was across the
way from the first head shop in town, a place called Revolution, where I also
bought my first bell bottoms and sold my thick wicked, free form and mushroom
shaped candles on commission. I spent all my money from my paper route, the
Newark Star Ledger, on albums, and remember that Grand Funk (they left
Railroad off their name after a while) was THE hot band, but considered very
mediocre by the real rock cognoscenti. I wouldn't go near it myself since I
was into the progressive rock of ELP, Yes, and I had already bought BLUE, but
it wouldn't really sink in until a year later. I remember some Grand Funk
live album which had a drum solo that lasted for the whole side of the album.
Ouch.
First LP: Sly and the Family Stone's Greatest Hits
First Single: Moon Shadow, Cat Stevens
First CD: B-52s, Cosmic Thing
In the BMG record club (12 for the price of one with only one required
purchase, but of course they charge a fair amount for postage and handling)
they are selling TTT for 5.99. There was a very good and very current picture
of Ms. Mitchell with it, but the whole thing must reflect that the album
didn't sell that well.
For the Brits: Recently saw the film STILL CRAZY, in which an old 7Os metal
band gets it together for a reunion. One night they are facing a rough crowd
of Dutch people and the drummer says "Maybe we should leave out the Joni
Mitchell medley". No one is seeing this movie here in the States -- is it
popular in the UK? Didn't think much of it myself, and it pales in
comparison to its supremely funny antecedent, SPINAL TAP. Maybe it's humor is
too British? Seemed sort of formulaic and very predictable to me and the
music was unmemorable.
Through the paper thin walls of this Melrose Place style apartment building,
my celibate neighbor finally had a lady friend over. And before they made
their own kind of music, he got her in the mood with BLUE!
NP: M People, Fresco
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:28:46 GMT
From: "Phil Klein"
Subject: First time (NJC)
>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:40:49 +0000
>From: catman
>.Subject: NJC First time
>This reminded me that my first pop concert was The Skyhooks in
>Albury NSW, about 73. When was your first?
It was Deep Purple at Dagenham Roundhouse ca 1971, between the
release of Deep Purple in Rock, and Machine Head, anyway. That is,
unless you count going to see my mate's band in the local church
hall....
Phil
P. S. Who the **** were the Skyhooks?
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:33:29 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: First time (NJC)
Th Shyhooks were an outrageous(for the time) band in Aussie. Most of
their songs were banned but their song Horror Movie(about the evening
news) was a number one hit for weeks.
I live very near to Degenham, unfortunately, in Canning Town. At leasdt
till we move to the house we bought in Cambridgeshire!
Phil Klein wrote:
> >Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:40:49 +0000
> >From: catman
> >.Subject: NJC First time
>
> >This reminded me that my first pop concert was The Skyhooks in
> >Albury NSW, about 73. When was your first?
>
> It was Deep Purple at Dagenham Roundhouse ca 1971, between the
> release of Deep Purple in Rock, and Machine Head, anyway. That is,
> unless you count going to see my mate's band in the local church
> hall....
>
> Phil
>
> P. S. Who the **** were the Skyhooks?
- --
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http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html
TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:41:20 GMT
From: "Phil Klein"
Subject: Re: First Albums, cd's etc.. (NJC)
First single: " Keep on Running", The Spencer Davis Group. 1965ish?
Anyway I remember it cost 5 shillings in the old money. Shortly
afterwards, singles went up to 6s8d, then to 7s6d!! Marvellous
single. Anyone know what happened to the SDG?
First LP: Pink Floyd, "Meddle", I think. Used to listen to my older
brother and sister's stuff mainly.
First cassette: Yes, " Close to the Edge". I had a really crappy
little cassette player, and Chris Squires massive bass chords
completely fucked the little speaker.
First cd: For some peculiar reason, a triple cd recording of
"Showboat".
Never had 8 track. Only had a mono record player as well. We had it
tough.....
Phil
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:21:35 -0500
From: Debra Kaufman
Subject: Re: Irish genius
I'm several posts back, as usual, so indulge me:
>Ireland has produced many great geniuses and people of accomplishment.
Any country that can give us James Joyce, Yeats, and Roddy Doyle, to name
just a few, is WAY up there in my opinion. Doyle's stories--The
Commitments, The Van, The Snapper, The Woman Who Walked into Doors--shows
insightful and intelligent characters (even though poor economically).
Debra K
******************************************************************
"It's not what you say, but mostly how you feel it."
Tim Buckley
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:38:13 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: depeche mode (njc)
Evian wrote:
> Ooooh Lori!!! Depeche Mode had the most awesome remixes!! LOL, I still
> have my two 12" singles for "Master and Servant" (the black and blue
> remix and the Slavery Whip remix), and some reeeeeaaaalllly long remix
> of "Everything Counts".
Okay, you made me look! My Depeche Mode maxi-singles are "Shake the
Disease/Flexible" (mit "Platte in mehrfarbegem Vinyl" -- marbled vinyl, which
looks pretty cool but makes you dizzy if you watch the turntable for too long)
and "Just Can't Get Enough/Any Second Now" (Top-Hit aus England).
It turns out that I have TWO see-through lime-green maxi-singles by Billy
Ocean: European Queen (on both sides, at 116 beats per minute, "Die Nr. 1 in
den USA"), and Loverboy (again on both sides, at 110 BPM -- no wonder I was
thinner in those days ...)
Oh, look, here's another 12" single: Nina Hagen's version of My Way!
(Yikes!)
To my credit, also purchased near that time (1985, when I was living in
Bremerhaven, Germany) is my copy of Rickie Lee Jones' 10" mini-LP, Girl At Her
Volcano.
> Damn, I gotta dust these off, hook up the
> turntable, throw some gel in my hair, slap on my swatch, take off the
> socks a la Don Johnson, and bop around my basement!
Shall I bring it all to the next Joni fest??? ; )
Lori
San Antonio
NP: Sarah M. on the refuse truck's radio (some sanitation department guys
have taste!)
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:49:22 -0500
From: Debra Kaufman
Subject: Re: Carly
Just rented the vid of Marvin's Room. The closing song about two sisters
was by Carly Simon. Can anybody tell me the name and which album of hers
it's on? Also, is she doing good stuff these days? She's written some good
pop songs but is it too pop? Thanks, DK
******************************************************************
"It's not what you say, but mostly how you feel it."
Tim Buckley
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:05:41 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Pot Thing (NJC)
In a message dated 2/17/99 10:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes:
<<
Hey Kakki-
I heard that when they did an autopsy on Waly Disney, they came up with a
considerable amount of resin from his lungs. This coulda been the rantings of
some drug crazed acquaintance of mine, but it had a ring of, hmmmm.....
Anyone?
Michael >>
Michael,
Your friend must have been thinking of Walt Disney Jr., the mythical Disney
executive who along with Bill Gates has been sending out offers on the
Internet for free trips to Disney World.
LOL!
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:13:37 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Carly
No it isn't on any of her albums. It is called 'two little sisters'. I guess
it is only avavilable on the movie soundtrack.
As to the other question the answer is OF COURSE SHE IS STILL WRITING GOOD
SONGS!!!!!! (She even wrote an opera, called Romulous Hunt, if you like that
sort of thing). her last album was Letters Never Sent in 94 although she did a
collection of film songs with Jimmy Webb called Film Noir. The only album I
have been disappointed by.
I don't know what you mean exactly by pop songs, but I would have thought from
I know were hits in the USA that that is what you mean. her albums are much
more. In fact the ones I think should have been hits were not.
However, she is still in great voice and it is fairly easy to sing a long to
her except when she sings too low or too high!
unfortunately she has had breast cancer recently. This puts a question mark on
her future work. as far as I know she is working on an album of her own stuff
to be released this year. Ther have been two suggestions about what they will
be, from Carly herself who used to write mails to the Carly list. One might be
called Stark-a return to acoustyic only and the other a theme album about 12
women, a track for each woman. They could of course be the same album.
I just hope it will not be her last.
her albums are
Carly Simon
Anticipation
No Secrets
Hotcakes
Playing Possum
Another Passenger
Boys In The Trees
Spy
Come Upstairs
Hello Big Man
Spoiled Girl
Coming Around Again
Have You Seen Me Lately
Letters Never Sent
Three albums of standrads:
Torch
My Romance
Film Noir
one Opera;
Romulus Hunt
Clouds In My Coffee - a 3cd collection includin stuff never before released
and
stuff not on her albums.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:16:56 -0500 (EST)
From: w evans
Subject: (Almost) NJC-- "Alternative Country"
someone talking about lucinda williams mentioned the the magazine
"No Depression" the "Alternative Country" mag, "whatever that means."
OK, here goes... I think I know what this means though it's a bit foggy...
I think the idea is that "alternative country" is, in terms of the
instrumentation and playing, essentially country music but it's not
nashville and it's all a bit quirkier and the singers sound a bit more
like they went to college, maybe less of an accent.... one way to put it
is that all "alternative country" songs are inspired by the R.E.M tune
"Don't Go Back To Rockville" back in 1984... another way to put it is that
the antecedents are more like the post-1968 Byrds and less like, oh, Reba
and Garth and all that. I sorta think of "You Turn Me On I'm a Radio" as
an alternative country song.
Of course, all of the above could just be nonsense.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:37:17 -0600
From: Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com
Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #83
In a message dated 2/17/99 12:08:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ginamu@aol.com
writes:
>I don't have time to post something extensive but I DO have children. Not
only
>that, I am a social worker - I've worked in all sorts of settings, all of
my
>work has been done with children and their parents. Some of the outreach
work
>I've done (in people's homes) shows me first hand the realities of
substance
>abuse of all types and their effect on the lives of children. My drinkin'
and
>druggin' clients don't need yet another legalized substance (pot) within
>affordable and easy access, to contribute to already tight financial
>situations (cigarettes ALONE cut into a limited food budget) and already
>stressed and negligent parenting. Pot smokers, from my experience, may not
be
>as aggressive as alcoholics but they are certainly as negligent when it
comes
>to meeting the needs for care and attention their children require. If my
life
>were such that I didn't see these realities on a daily basis, I may be in
>favor of legalization. My child clients don't need to be inhaling pot smoke
>along with the cigarette smoke they are forced to endure on a daily basis.
>There is much more I could say, but I simply don't have the time.
>
>Gina
An intersting perspective and good points!
There is a cost to society for smoking cigarettes which we have all heard
about in the news.
There is also a cost to society for smoking weed. For example, higher
insurance costs because
of auto accidents in which the driver was high and didn't react fast enough
to prevent hitting another
vehicle.
Some people say "As long as the smoker does it in his own house he's not
bothering anyone else."
Well, suppose that person is a doctor, and you're the one he's going to
operate on later that day?
If you were in a business and employed people who smoked weed who then made
stupid mistakes
that caused problems with customers or clients, eventually you would feel
the financial impact through
lost business or possibly lawsuits.
For what it's worth, the medical community has published evidence about the
harmful effects of weed,
including atrophy of the brain. I don't know how much weed has to be
consumed for that to happen or
at what rate it happens, but if enough people did do that then I think I
might be able to snatch up some
of Joni Mitchell's laserdisks off of www.ebay.com auctions quicker and at
better prices....! 8-)
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:02:10 -0500
From: Anne Madden
Subject: Car Wheels on a Gravel Road
Deb wrote -
><< Been meaning to write to ask someone -- anyone! -- what it is about
>Lucinda's
> new album that is giving everyone such a thrill? I bought the CD, and ...
> well ... I just don't get it. >>
The lyrics - heartfelt and beautiful "pierce the skin and the blood runs
through"; sensual without being smutty and vulgar - "lie on my back and
moan at the ceiling - oh, my baby".
In my opinion there isn't one bad song on this album, and every song tells
a story. The harmonies are really good especially on "Grenville" with
Emmylou Harris. Jim Lauderdale (on background vocals) is no slouch either.
Lucinda's voice is not perfect by any means - there is a bit of a rough
edge to it but I love the way she sings - it's her phrasing, her drawl,
it's the way she groans when she sings "oh, my baby", it's the sincerity in
her voice that makes the listener believe every word they hear!
This album has a bit of everything, country, rock, folk, cajun & blues. I
LOVE IT AND LUCINDA RULES!!!!
I saw her in Toronto in October and live, I thought she was even better.
Her band is fantastic! If she doesn't win something at the Grammy's next
week I WILL SPIT!
Anne
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:08:39 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com
Subject: Re[2]: Carly (NJC)
Colin, speaking of his lady-love Carly, said:
<>
True, Colin, sort of unfortunate for her that she was branded as a "singles"
artist instead of an "album" artist (if that makes sense). I haven't heard
all her stuff (thanx for the discography btw) but my fave is "Come Upstairs",
my least favorite song on the record being "Jesse" (the hit). So there ya'
go.
Bob
NP: James Taylor (how 'bout *that* synchro), "Oh Brother" from New Moon Shine
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:38:02 -0800
From: Don Sloan
Subject: Re: NJC - Legal Weed
Lori wrote in part:
> Anyway, the point is that the state of Texas previously recognized a
> individual's responsibility to drink sensibly. It was up to each person to
> know whether or not one beer could affect their judgment behind the wheel.
>
> The same goes for marijuana or any other mind/body altering substance. If I
> want to stay home and alter myself, it should be my business, as long as I
> don't hurt anyone else. (However, "hurt" has many connotations. For
> instance, neglecting your children because you spent all your money on dope is
> hurting them.) If I want to drive around stoned, then I have to pay the
> consequences if I'm driving too fast ... or too slowly ...
>
> The bottom line seems to be that one person's rights end where another's
> begin. Pretty simple concept.
Yes, indeed... pretty simple (and rational and intelligent). Much more
so than the hundreds of thousands of laws on the books nationwide in USA
meant to regulate all forms of human behavior - mostly at great economic
and social cost, not to mention it just doesn't work.
Once we step over the line and accept the validity of laws meant to
prevent rather than punish/reform criminal behavior, we open a Pandora's
Box that is next to impossible to close. Where does it end? I don't
think it does as there are always gonna be folks who believe a new law
will control or prevent behavior *they* think is (or might be)
wrong/bad/hurtful/stupid/inconvenient/dangerous.....
For better or worse, shit happens in life. People hurt themselves and
others. People f**k up... with drugs, food, guns, greed, cars, alcohol
and literally everything! But to attempt to prevent bad things from
happening among a small percentage of the people by controlling the
behavior of ALL the people is, dare I say, sheer lunacy in the grand
scheme of things.
The law should be used to deal with people who interfere with your right
to live your life freely. That's it. No more. But for some reason, we
prefer to use the government to parent other adults thereby robbing them
of their free will, their right to choose and to learn from their
mistakes and stupidity. No wonder there's so little respect for the law.
No wonder the so-called justice system is collapsing under its own
weight.
Don
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:58:43 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Carly (NJC)
My fav from that album is In Pain and Take Me As I Am, especially the line 'drunk
and lying with the gutter in her face'.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:29:14 -0500
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: RE: NJC-Lucinda Williams
Lori asked:
<<>>
It took me a long time to warm to this album. I had the exact
same reaction the first few times I listened to it in record stores.
The so what? problem, I call it. Sure the songs seem fine, but
not great. I was wrong.
I think the key is to *really* look at her lyrics, which are as spare
and compact and seemingly simple as poetry, but contain a
wealth of emotion. Not just any emotion, though. It's complex,
messy emotion. The closer you look the more there is (despite
what Dougie says ;-) ).
The line Bob M. has mentioned so many times is also my
favorite: "All I ask, don't tell anybody the secrets I told you."
Seems simple enough, huh? Almost banal. Until you look
closer. The preceding verse is:
Once we rode together
In a metal firecracker
You told me I was your queen
You told me I was your biker
You told me I was everything
I was in your blood
And you were obsessed with me
You wanted to paint my picture
You wanted to undress me
You wanted to see me in your future
So this is a lost-love song, right? So the chorus is where she's
supposed to say how much she wants him back and won't he
please take her back and if there's a God he will take her back.
If she's really avant-garde she'll instead use the chorus to spit
on him and say how pathetic all that biker-s**t was anyway and
she is so d**n glad she's a strong woman and got rid of his
sorry a**.
What's so wonderful is that she does neither of those things.
She just makes a simple, sad request: "Don't tell anybody the
secrets I told you." With a mixture of resolution and trepidation,
strength and vulnerability (cf PJ Harvey's "I'll make you lick my
injuries"--props to David W.) she faces the future with a practical,
but somewhat pathetic, eye. And in eleven words. Its a
masterpiece of craftsmanship.
Other lines come to mind--"junebug versus hurricane," "but this
wall is not real ... it's only made of concrete and barbed wire,"
"coulda held on to that long smooth neck, let your hands
remember every fret"--they all conjure up vivid and complex
images with words you foolishly think you could have written
yourself.
I also think her melodies hold up very well to repeated listenings
and that her vocal interpretations add weight and character to
the lyrics. I think the way I listen to Lucinda's music is similar
to the way a lot of Dylan fans listen to his. Does that help?
- --Michael
NP: Young M.C., _Stone Cold Rhymin'_
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
All I really really want our loving to do
Is to bring out the best in me and in you too
- --Joni Mitchell, "All I Want"
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:33:51 -0600
From: Alan
Subject: NJC: legal weed
(Great thread, we have so many good minds here.)
I'm not sure I buy into the notion of marijuana being a "gateway
drug." While I'm sure it's a true statement that most heavy drug users
tried pot first; correlation and causation are different, and not to be
confused. I'm sure they also tried beer first... heck, you can follow
that logic all the way back to baby food. Equally true is the statement
that not everyone who tries alcohol becomes an alcoholic; not everyone
who tries pot moves on to cocaine, or heroine, LSD, etc... So the
gateway argument doesn't fly for me.
While I agree with the arguments that we could do more good for society
by legalizing and taxing, rather than spending money on enforcing a
prohibition, and with the arguments that legislating morality is
questionable, there are two things that bother me about legalization:
1) Pot is more difficult and invasive to detect (need a urine or blood
test) than alcohol (breathalyzer), so enforcing driving under the
influence laws is a problem which would grow larger with legalization.
2) For both liability and performance reasons, I believe employers have
a right to insist on drug free employees. The body disposes of alcohol
fairly quickly and completely (about an once per hour), while most other
drugs, including pot, tend to linger. I think their effects, although
hard to measure, must linger as well. I don't care if my airline pilot
had a beer last night (I do care if he had 12!), but it would concern me
if he had smoked a joint last night. I would wonder about his memory,
his concentration, his focus.
I had a similar discussion with a friend of mine awhile back on the
subject of pornography. We went around and around the issues of
"exploitation and degradation" versus, "the human body is beautiful, sex
is natural, consenting adults should be free to make a living any way
they chose, and you shouldn't legislate morality."
With both of these issues, and many others like them, you can drown
yourself in sophistry and equivocation, which is no answer at all. I
make a choice by imagining my view (which, of course, means I can't
impose it on other people, it's just a way for me to make my own
decision) of a perfect world; then I ask myself, "in this perfect world,
would this thing exist?"
So, in a vote, I would have to cast my vote against legalization of
marijuana.
Alan Poff.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:50:14 -0800
From: jan gyn
Subject: Re: First time (NJC)
>Phil
>
>P. S. Who the **** were the Skyhooks?
>
They were Kareem Abdul Jabbar's favorite band (rimshot).
- -jan
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:37:53 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams
In a message dated 2/18/99 1:29:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes:
<< I think the way I listen to Lucinda's music is similar
to the way a lot of Dylan fans listen to his. Does that help? >>
Yes, it means I have to pay more attention to the lyrics than to the melodies-
something that just doesn't come naturally to me.
Terry
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:36:05 -0000
From: "paul tyrer"
Subject: first times..
Hi everyone
This is more embarrassing than Michael's. My friends tell me they could
have predicted my later sexual preferences just by taking a sneaky peak thru
my record collection age 10!
First 45 - Barry Manilow - Mandy (1972)
(I know, I know...)
First LP - ABBA - Greatest Hits (1974)
(credible in retrospect, but very dodgy throughout the 80s)
First 12" - Donna Summer - Bad Girls
First cassette
Altered Images - can't remember which one
First cd
Can't remember
Most embarrassing music purchase
Well, I was only 5 when I asked my mum to buy 'mandy' for me, so that's out.
British chums will remember the Dooleys perhaps (yes, I had some of theirs),
Bucks Fizz (yes theirs too). Either of these qualify!
LP bought for the cover alone
Joni - Hejira, in 1982.
First Joni purchase
Hejira
"Street cred" purchase that got played once
Song X by Ornette Coleman/Pat Metheny.
Most recent purchases (today in fact)
Lauren Hill - X-Factor (45)
Placebo - Every you, every me (45)
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1904 07:04:02 +0000
From: michael paz
Subject: Smells Like Taco Spirit + Joni info
Jerry wrote:
"Not as bad as going through the drive through at Taco Bell, paying for
your order, getting home and discovering you forgot to pick up the food"
Hey Jerry-
Can you send me some of that? Thanx!
Michael
P.S. Was in a drum shop yesterday and saw the cover of the January
Modern Drummer. John Guerin is on the cover and talks about working with
Joni. I will try to post the relevant passages for you Joni info
starved folks.
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:57:59 +1100
From: "Russell George"
Subject: Painting With Words and Music
Hi - I remember on this list a few months ago there were several Australians
talking about the unavailability of Joni's concert from late last year on
video . In case you guys are still wondering, it has been released in
Australia - I bought it yesterday from a specialist CD store in Melbourne
(Basement Discs) and it's FANTASTIC, and it was only $30.00!!
BTW - if you like Grand Funk Railroad (sorry this is from a different
thread), check out the double live Bosnia album from a couple of years ago.
Live versions of their greatest hits that just about rip your head off.
Russell in Melbourne, Oz.
NP: Jackson Browne - World In Motion
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:16:50 +0100
From: "Winfried Hühn"
Subject: Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC)
paul tyrer wrote:
> Hi everyone
> Most embarrassing music purchase
> Well, I was only 5 when I asked my mum to buy 'mandy' for me, so that's out.
> British chums will remember the Dooleys perhaps (yes, I had some of theirs),
> Bucks Fizz (yes theirs too). Either of these qualify!
>
Well, here's what I consider to by my most embarrasing purchase:
Gary Moore -- Still Got The Blues
At least musically, he's never had them. I found this out when I bought "The
Healer" by John Lee Hooker.
Winfried
np: The Go-Betweens -- Bachelor Kisses
(Best pop-group ever)
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:12:20 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: first times..
In a message dated 2/18/99 4:45:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk writes:
<< My friends tell me they could
have predicted my later sexual preferences just by taking a sneaky peak thru
my record collection age 10!
First 45 - Barry Manilow - Mandy (1972)
(I know, I know...)
First LP - ABBA - Greatest Hits (1974)
(credible in retrospect, but very dodgy throughout the 80s) >>
Hmm. Let me guess. You like sex with dogs?
;>)
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:26:16 -0600
From: Diana Duncan
Subject: JC in TV Guide
Hi all,
I've been busy with school but still reading posts, 200 at a time.
In this weeks TV Guide they asked TV actors what Rock and Roll band they
wanted to be in. Wendie Malick, Just Shoot Me, said that she wanted to be
Joni Mitchell. "Not only was she cool; she hung out with cool guys who
wrote songs about her."
Thought my only post in 2 months ought to be Joni Content.
Luv you all,
Diana
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:47:35 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: NYTimes and Knoxville's Old City (NJC)
You city slickers up there in Yankee Land might be interested
in seeing Sunday's New York Times Travel Section with an
article and photos on our fair city's revitalized area devoted
to the arts&entertainment called the Old City. I frequent
a new acoustic club there called Bird's Eye View.
Also...Chamique Holdsclaw (Lady Vols BB player)
just won the Sullivan Award for the nation's top
amateur athlete.
(No, I ain't workin' for the Chamber of Commerce...
next report...LIVE! from DollyWood...)
Marsha, with news you didn't need to know
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:53:09 -0500
From: "John Wasak"
Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (a little JC)
Jimmy wrote:
>Sorry if someone has brought this singer up before, but I missed a couple
of
>weeks of digests at the time this album was released. I was reading a
review
>on the Jonatha Brooke Live album, and never hearing of her before I
learned
>that she was with the rock-folk duo "Story". What caught my eye in this
>article was that it mentioned:
>"She's getting more attention than ever for her intelligent,
jazz-inflected
>tunes and a voice certain to appeal to Joni Mitchell fans."
>I don't know if this is just another lame review where the reviewer
mentions
>Joni just so I'll go out and spend my hard earned money only to be
>disappointed. If any of you kind people can give me some feedback, it
would be
>greatly appreciated.
>Jimmy
>>
Reviewers, it seems to me, often use Joni Mitchell's name as a sort of knee
jerk response when confronting music that fits the mold of Female
Singer/Songwriters, playing acoustic guitar in a "folk-rock/pop style.
Recently I saw a sticker on the front of a Dee Carstensen CD proclaiming
"Dee Carstensen is the next Joni Mitchell". Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't
think she is. (Although I liked her version of Jimi Hendrix's "Angel"
played on a harp). So many today are hyped as the "next Joni Mitchell".
The truth is there are no next Joni Mitchell's any more than there are next
Beatles, next Nick Drake's, next Billie Holiday's, next Miles Davis', next
JS Bach's, next Mozart's or even next Glenn Gould's etc. These people are
originals. At best the "nexts" can only be copy cats.
Jonatha Brooke's "Ten Cent Wings" is a nice folk/rock CD and nothing more.
I hear it as sounding a good deal closer to the music of Shawn Colvin,
especially her "A Few Small Repairs" CD, than anything by Joni Mitchell.
BTW, if you're looking for something interesting in a folk/jazz type of
thing try Cassandra Wilson's "New Moon Daughter" some of it has a Hejira,
DJRD, Mingus feel to it, although Cassandra's a much deeper voiced singer
than Joni and her singing style is more "jazzy", probably closer to
someone like Sarah Vaughan, so it may not be for everyone.
Regards,
John
http://www..geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/6026
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:00:27 -0500
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC)
Oh God. I can't believe I'm revealing this. Lawrence Welk's Yellow Bird
album. I think I was 12. Well, it was a big hit!
Jerry
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:59:03 EST
From: JRMCo1@aol.com
Subject: Re: JC in TV Guide
Diana writes:
<< In this weeks TV Guide they asked TV actors what Rock and Roll band they
wanted to be in. Wendie Malick, Just Shoot Me, said that she wanted to be
Joni Mitchell. "Not only was she cool; she hung out with cool guys who
wrote songs about her." >>
Neil Young is one of those cool guys. He's gonna be doing a solo acoustic gig
here in the SF Bay area next month that I'm looking forward to. The song he
wrote about Joni (circa 1973) has never appeared on an album, and he's only
performed it twice. But here it is, for what it's worth:
SWEET JONI ----------
Sweet Joni from Saskatoon
There's a ring for your finger
It looks like the sun
But it feels like the moon
Sweet Joni from Saskatoon
Don't go, don't go too soon.
Who lives in an old hotel,
Near the ancient ruins.
Only time can tell,
Time can tell.
Go easy, the doorman said
The floor is slippery,
So watch your head.
This message read.
Sweet Joni from Saskatoon
There's a ring for your finger
It shines like the sun
But it feels like the moon.
Sweet Joni from Saskatoon
Don't go, don't go too soon.
- -Julius
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:09:53 -0600
From: Diana Duncan
Subject: Re: NJC 78's
At 09:21 PM 2/16/1999 -0800, Gene Mock wrote:
>78 Come Go Wtih Me, Dell Vikings
I was reading everyone's list and wondered if anyone would mention 78's.
My first single was a 78. "Happy Trails to You" by Roy Rogers and Dale
Evans. Had to have been in the 50's.
I still have all my 45's and I was looking through them.. Once I started
buying them in '61 I bought a bunch. I think I have every #1 song from 1961
to 1963!
But I don't remember "the first!"
My first Album was SurfBeat by the Challengers, bought it around '61.
I don't remember my first 8 Track or Cassette but
First CD was in '97! Mozart for your morning coffee (bought for background
computer music).
It was nice sharing with you, now back to studying my Statistics and
Probability.
Diana
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:12:59 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams
I gave her album a listen recently too. I don't get it either. Sounded like
another country singer to me.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:16:13 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: NJC: legal weed
In this country there is a simple test now which the Police use. It is a
sweat test-something stuck on the body-and it tells if you have smoked pot
and other drugs.
As for porn-well I am hypocrite about it. i have seen it and liked it but
wonder how those taking part could do such a thing!
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:59:49 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: JC in TV Guide
And 'Stupid Girl' from 1975's 'Zuma.'
You're just a stupid girl
You really got a lot to learn
Start living again
Forget about remembering
You're such a stupid girl.
You're such a beautiful fish
Floppin' on the summer sand
Lookin' for the wave you missed
When another one is close at hand
You're such a stupid girl.
You're such a stupid girl.
I saw you in Mercedes Benz
Practicing self-defense
You got it pretty good I guess
I couldn't see your eyes
You're really stupid, girl.
You're such a stupid girl.
At 5:59 PM -0500 2/18/99, JRMCo1@aol.com wrote:
> Neil Young is one of those cool guys. He's gonna be doing a solo
> acoustic gig
> here in the SF Bay area next month that I'm looking forward to. The song he
> wrote about Joni (circa 1973) has never appeared on an album, and he's only
> performed it twice. But here it is, for what it's worth:
___________________________________
| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua |
| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
|_________________________________|
"Evil communications corrupt good manners."
- I Corinthians 15:33
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:02:23 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC)
Duran Duran's 'Decade'! I will admit that their Wedding Album is
still really good.
Mark
NP-Strange Boy (She should do this one on the next tour)
At 6:00 PM -0500 2/17/99, Jerry Notaro wrote:
> Oh God. I can't believe I'm revealing this. Lawrence Welk's Yellow Bird
> album. I think I was 12. Well, it was a big hit!
>
> Jerry
___________________________________
| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua |
| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
|_________________________________|
"Evil communications corrupt good manners."
- I Corinthians 15:33
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:09:16 -0500 (EST)
From: David Wright
Subject: Re: Lucinda Williams (NJC)
I think she has a great voice, though her "world-weariness"
sounds slightly mannered and overdone to me at times. I think Tom Ross
wrote a while back that it has a "studied weariness"? -- I agree. But
places like where she hisses, "You took my joy! I want it BACK!" are
great. (I get this amusing image of Lucinda rampaging like Godzilla
through the southland in search of her joy, citizens fleeing in terror.)
I agree with Bob about the lyrics, I think every song on the album
is fine. I also love the instrumentation. Like others say -- it's a
pleasure to listen to. I sometimes wish there were a few more chords in
there but I can't complain...
Bob wrote:
>
> It sounds like she put her band in the studio and did all these in one
> take. In these times of overproduced, sampled, sound, it just sounds
> *real*.
Funny that though it might *sound* like that, in fact she worked
on it six years to get that effect.
- --David
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:39:17 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC)
John seemed somewhat dismissive of JBrooke with:
>Jonatha Brooke's "Ten Cent Wings" is a nice folk/rock CD and nothing more.
>I hear it as sounding a good deal closer to the music of Shawn Colvin,
>especially her "A Few Small Repairs" CD, than anything by Joni Mitchell.
I have all her stuff and have seen Jonatha three times live. She is
tops IMO, and I hope she has a long, prolific career.
Her vocal range is much wider than Shawn's (who seems to be
having fast degradation of her vocal chords), and her musicality
and lyrics are way up in the big leagues, I think.
My favorite of her works is Plumb...next, Angel in the House.
Marsha (seeing JB's former partner Jennifer perform this Saturday night)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:06:10 +0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Palis
Subject: Re: Carly (NJC)
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, catman wrote:
> My fav from that album is In Pain and Take Me As I Am, especially the line 'drunk
> and lying with the gutter in her face'.
>
My favorite Carly Simon album is MY ROMANCE. Heartfelt. Touching.
Intensely personal. My fave song of hers: "We Just Got Here" from HAVE
YOU SEEN ME LATELY.
Joseph
(can't decide whether to have cappuccino or espresso)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:57:58 -0800
From: Mark-n-Travis
Subject: Re: Carly (NJC)
Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote:
but my fave is "Come Upstairs",
> my least favorite song on the record being "Jesse" (the hit). So there ya'
> go.
>
> Bob
Isn't it funny how different people's tastes can be. I own all of
Carly's albums in one form or another and my *least* favorite is 'Come
Upstairs'. There are 2 songs that I *do* like from that record. One is
'James' and the other? 'Jesse' of course.
Carly's no Joni but she's no slouch either and doesn't get the credit
she deserves, imo. She's a fine songwriter and her last album of
original material 'Letters Never Sent' has some wonderful stuff on it.
And her voice is about as good as (maybe better than) when she started.
'You're So Vain' was *not* the extent of the woman's talent (although I
still love that song - one of the best hooks that's ever been recorded
imo).
Mark in Seattle
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:33:19 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Carly (NJC)
She is really good at the 'big' love song. Lost In Your Love from LNS is a case in
point.
Although i appreciate Torch and My Romance, I much prefer her self penned songs.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:36:19 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Carly (NJC)
> And her voice is about as good as (maybe better than) when she started.
> 'You're So Vain' was *not* the extent of the woman's talent (although I
> still love that song - one of the best hooks that's ever been recorded
> imo).
What has always amazed me about her rich alto is that it sounds opn her first
album(71) the way you'd expect it to sound on a much older woman.Now in her 50's
it has lost nothing, but gained a richness.
I once read a review by a ninkompoop who said her voice was not suited to
belters!!!!! What was he on?
>
>
> Mark in Seattle
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:09:50 -0500
From: patrick leader
Subject: RE: Carly (NJC)
you're so vain was a great single, so was anticipation. but long before
those.
hold on, the carly content will come. in the '60s, when the rhythms of the
tv seasons mattered more to us, once in a while he networks would run a
summer variety series instead of reruns. one year, maybe 68, there was a
show called 'new faces' nor something like that. i can barely even
remember the concept.
i remember this. a girl singing 'my father sits in the living room
something, something. his cigarette glows in the dark.' the chorus was
'so you think it's time we moved in together. and raise a family of our
own. well i guess it's time we moved in together. we'll marry.'
it wasn't carly but within a month she had recorded the song and it was on
the radio. i think that's the first i ever heard of her. did she write
it?
i was 10. what did i know about resignation? all i know is there was
something terribly sad in that last line, 'we'll marry', a girl choosing to
do something she doesn't really care to do because she can't think of a
better idea. so, so, sad, to the ten-year old and still to this
fourty-year-old.
patrick
np - brian asawa - the dark is my delight
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:17:45 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carly (NJC)
In a message dated 2/18/99 11:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
trxschwa@bway.net writes:
<< remember this. a girl singing 'my father sits in the living room
something, something. his cigarette glows in the dark.' the chorus was
'so you think it's time we moved in together. and raise a family of our
own. well i guess it's time we moved in together. we'll marry.' >>
"That's the Way I Always Heard It Should Be" remains in my mind Carly's best
song for it's irony and emotion, plus she does a little belting of her own in
there.
Paul Ivice
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:16:57 +0100
From: John Kelly
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #83
AN IMPROMPTU PRESS RELEASE---JOHN KELLY WILL BE
PERFORMING A 45 MINUTE SOLO SET AS JONI MITCHELL AT
THE P.S.1 CONTEMPORARY ART CENTER IN LONG ISLAND
CITY, NEW YORK, ON SUNDAY THE 21ST OF FEBRUARY AT
4PM IN "THE VAULT".
FOR INFORMATION AS TO HOW TO GET THERE YOU CAN CALL
718.784.2084.
I'M SENDING THIS OUT CAUSE THE CURATORIAL POWERS
THAT BE HAVE DONE NO PUBLICITY FOR THIS AND I HATE
PERFORMING FOR MYSELF.
CHEERS!
JOHN
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