From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #84 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, February 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 084 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- depeche mode (njc) [evian ] Re: Attn UK jimdles - Joni on the Beeb [Joseph Palis ] Re: First time (NJC) [catman ] Re: First Albums, cd's etc.. (NJC) ["Phil Klein" ] Re: depeche mode (njc) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Carly [Debra Kaufman ] Re: A Pot Thing (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Carly [catman ] (Almost) NJC-- "Alternative Country" [w evans ] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #83 [Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com] Car Wheels on a Gravel Road [Anne Madden ] Re[2]: Carly (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: NJC - Legal Weed [Don Sloan ] Re: Carly (NJC) [catman ] RE: NJC-Lucinda Williams [Michael Yarbrough ] NJC: legal weed [Alan ] Re: First time (NJC) [jan gyn ] Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [TerryM2442@aol.com] first times.. ["paul tyrer" ] Smells Like Taco Spirit + Joni info [michael paz ] Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] NYTimes and Knoxville's Old City (NJC) ["Marsha" ] Re: Jonatha Brooke (a little JC) ["John Wasak" ] Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [catman ] Re: NJC: legal weed [catman ] Re: JC in TV Guide [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) ["Marsha" ] Re: Carly (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Carly (NJC) [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: Carly (NJC) [catman ] Re: Carly (NJC) [catman ] RE: Carly (NJC) [patrick leader ] Re: Carly (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #83 [John Kelly ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 02:22:43 -0600 From: evian Subject: depeche mode (njc) > 12" single: either Billy Ocean's Caribbean/European Queen (on see-through > green vinyl, no less!), or one of two by Depeche Mode (I still have these) > Ooooh Lori!!! Depeche Mode had the most awesome remixes!! LOL, I still have my two 12" singles for "Master and Servant" (the black and blue remix and the Slavery Whip remix), and some reeeeeaaaalllly long remix of "Everything Counts". Damn, I gotta dust these off, hook up the turntable, throw some gel in my hair, slap on my swatch, take off the socks a la Don Johnson, and bop around my basement! Thanks for reminding me of Depeche Mode! Evian, who was always puzzled why "People are People" was on two albums simultaneously! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:29:46 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Attn UK jimdles - Joni on the Beeb On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Deb Messling wrote: > Wow! Would this Mary Black be the wonderful Irish singer who did a > cover of Urge for Going? Yes and a wonderful version. That. Mary Black's BABES IN THE WOOD is really a well-paced album with "Urge for Going" rounding things up. Joseph np: Dianne Reeves "Morning Has Broken" from THAT DAY ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:01:27 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Two Guys in New Jersey - SJC This recent thread brought me back to my own childhood in New Jersey, where I bought all my records at the Two Guys in East Brunswick. It was across the way from the first head shop in town, a place called Revolution, where I also bought my first bell bottoms and sold my thick wicked, free form and mushroom shaped candles on commission. I spent all my money from my paper route, the Newark Star Ledger, on albums, and remember that Grand Funk (they left Railroad off their name after a while) was THE hot band, but considered very mediocre by the real rock cognoscenti. I wouldn't go near it myself since I was into the progressive rock of ELP, Yes, and I had already bought BLUE, but it wouldn't really sink in until a year later. I remember some Grand Funk live album which had a drum solo that lasted for the whole side of the album. Ouch. First LP: Sly and the Family Stone's Greatest Hits First Single: Moon Shadow, Cat Stevens First CD: B-52s, Cosmic Thing In the BMG record club (12 for the price of one with only one required purchase, but of course they charge a fair amount for postage and handling) they are selling TTT for 5.99. There was a very good and very current picture of Ms. Mitchell with it, but the whole thing must reflect that the album didn't sell that well. For the Brits: Recently saw the film STILL CRAZY, in which an old 7Os metal band gets it together for a reunion. One night they are facing a rough crowd of Dutch people and the drummer says "Maybe we should leave out the Joni Mitchell medley". No one is seeing this movie here in the States -- is it popular in the UK? Didn't think much of it myself, and it pales in comparison to its supremely funny antecedent, SPINAL TAP. Maybe it's humor is too British? Seemed sort of formulaic and very predictable to me and the music was unmemorable. Through the paper thin walls of this Melrose Place style apartment building, my celibate neighbor finally had a lady friend over. And before they made their own kind of music, he got her in the mood with BLUE! NP: M People, Fresco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:28:46 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: First time (NJC) >Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:40:49 +0000 >From: catman >.Subject: NJC First time >This reminded me that my first pop concert was The Skyhooks in >Albury NSW, about 73. When was your first? It was Deep Purple at Dagenham Roundhouse ca 1971, between the release of Deep Purple in Rock, and Machine Head, anyway. That is, unless you count going to see my mate's band in the local church hall.... Phil P. S. Who the **** were the Skyhooks? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:33:29 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: First time (NJC) Th Shyhooks were an outrageous(for the time) band in Aussie. Most of their songs were banned but their song Horror Movie(about the evening news) was a number one hit for weeks. I live very near to Degenham, unfortunately, in Canning Town. At leasdt till we move to the house we bought in Cambridgeshire! Phil Klein wrote: > >Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:40:49 +0000 > >From: catman > >.Subject: NJC First time > > >This reminded me that my first pop concert was The Skyhooks in > >Albury NSW, about 73. When was your first? > > It was Deep Purple at Dagenham Roundhouse ca 1971, between the > release of Deep Purple in Rock, and Machine Head, anyway. That is, > unless you count going to see my mate's band in the local church > hall.... > > Phil > > P. S. Who the **** were the Skyhooks? - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:41:20 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Re: First Albums, cd's etc.. (NJC) First single: " Keep on Running", The Spencer Davis Group. 1965ish? Anyway I remember it cost 5 shillings in the old money. Shortly afterwards, singles went up to 6s8d, then to 7s6d!! Marvellous single. Anyone know what happened to the SDG? First LP: Pink Floyd, "Meddle", I think. Used to listen to my older brother and sister's stuff mainly. First cassette: Yes, " Close to the Edge". I had a really crappy little cassette player, and Chris Squires massive bass chords completely fucked the little speaker. First cd: For some peculiar reason, a triple cd recording of "Showboat". Never had 8 track. Only had a mono record player as well. We had it tough..... Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:21:35 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: Irish genius I'm several posts back, as usual, so indulge me: >Ireland has produced many great geniuses and people of accomplishment. Any country that can give us James Joyce, Yeats, and Roddy Doyle, to name just a few, is WAY up there in my opinion. Doyle's stories--The Commitments, The Van, The Snapper, The Woman Who Walked into Doors--shows insightful and intelligent characters (even though poor economically). Debra K ****************************************************************** "It's not what you say, but mostly how you feel it." Tim Buckley ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:38:13 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: depeche mode (njc) Evian wrote: > Ooooh Lori!!! Depeche Mode had the most awesome remixes!! LOL, I still > have my two 12" singles for "Master and Servant" (the black and blue > remix and the Slavery Whip remix), and some reeeeeaaaalllly long remix > of "Everything Counts". Okay, you made me look! My Depeche Mode maxi-singles are "Shake the Disease/Flexible" (mit "Platte in mehrfarbegem Vinyl" -- marbled vinyl, which looks pretty cool but makes you dizzy if you watch the turntable for too long) and "Just Can't Get Enough/Any Second Now" (Top-Hit aus England). It turns out that I have TWO see-through lime-green maxi-singles by Billy Ocean: European Queen (on both sides, at 116 beats per minute, "Die Nr. 1 in den USA"), and Loverboy (again on both sides, at 110 BPM -- no wonder I was thinner in those days ...) Oh, look, here's another 12" single: Nina Hagen's version of My Way! (Yikes!) To my credit, also purchased near that time (1985, when I was living in Bremerhaven, Germany) is my copy of Rickie Lee Jones' 10" mini-LP, Girl At Her Volcano. > Damn, I gotta dust these off, hook up the > turntable, throw some gel in my hair, slap on my swatch, take off the > socks a la Don Johnson, and bop around my basement! Shall I bring it all to the next Joni fest??? ; ) Lori San Antonio NP: Sarah M. on the refuse truck's radio (some sanitation department guys have taste!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:49:22 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: Carly Just rented the vid of Marvin's Room. The closing song about two sisters was by Carly Simon. Can anybody tell me the name and which album of hers it's on? Also, is she doing good stuff these days? She's written some good pop songs but is it too pop? Thanks, DK ****************************************************************** "It's not what you say, but mostly how you feel it." Tim Buckley ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:05:41 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: A Pot Thing (NJC) In a message dated 2/17/99 10:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << Hey Kakki- I heard that when they did an autopsy on Waly Disney, they came up with a considerable amount of resin from his lungs. This coulda been the rantings of some drug crazed acquaintance of mine, but it had a ring of, hmmmm..... Anyone? Michael >> Michael, Your friend must have been thinking of Walt Disney Jr., the mythical Disney executive who along with Bill Gates has been sending out offers on the Internet for free trips to Disney World. LOL! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:13:37 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Carly No it isn't on any of her albums. It is called 'two little sisters'. I guess it is only avavilable on the movie soundtrack. As to the other question the answer is OF COURSE SHE IS STILL WRITING GOOD SONGS!!!!!! (She even wrote an opera, called Romulous Hunt, if you like that sort of thing). her last album was Letters Never Sent in 94 although she did a collection of film songs with Jimmy Webb called Film Noir. The only album I have been disappointed by. I don't know what you mean exactly by pop songs, but I would have thought from I know were hits in the USA that that is what you mean. her albums are much more. In fact the ones I think should have been hits were not. However, she is still in great voice and it is fairly easy to sing a long to her except when she sings too low or too high! unfortunately she has had breast cancer recently. This puts a question mark on her future work. as far as I know she is working on an album of her own stuff to be released this year. Ther have been two suggestions about what they will be, from Carly herself who used to write mails to the Carly list. One might be called Stark-a return to acoustyic only and the other a theme album about 12 women, a track for each woman. They could of course be the same album. I just hope it will not be her last. her albums are Carly Simon Anticipation No Secrets Hotcakes Playing Possum Another Passenger Boys In The Trees Spy Come Upstairs Hello Big Man Spoiled Girl Coming Around Again Have You Seen Me Lately Letters Never Sent Three albums of standrads: Torch My Romance Film Noir one Opera; Romulus Hunt Clouds In My Coffee - a 3cd collection includin stuff never before released and stuff not on her albums. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:16:56 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: (Almost) NJC-- "Alternative Country" someone talking about lucinda williams mentioned the the magazine "No Depression" the "Alternative Country" mag, "whatever that means." OK, here goes... I think I know what this means though it's a bit foggy... I think the idea is that "alternative country" is, in terms of the instrumentation and playing, essentially country music but it's not nashville and it's all a bit quirkier and the singers sound a bit more like they went to college, maybe less of an accent.... one way to put it is that all "alternative country" songs are inspired by the R.E.M tune "Don't Go Back To Rockville" back in 1984... another way to put it is that the antecedents are more like the post-1968 Byrds and less like, oh, Reba and Garth and all that. I sorta think of "You Turn Me On I'm a Radio" as an alternative country song. Of course, all of the above could just be nonsense. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:37:17 -0600 From: Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #83 In a message dated 2/17/99 12:08:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: >I don't have time to post something extensive but I DO have children. Not only >that, I am a social worker - I've worked in all sorts of settings, all of my >work has been done with children and their parents. Some of the outreach work >I've done (in people's homes) shows me first hand the realities of substance >abuse of all types and their effect on the lives of children. My drinkin' and >druggin' clients don't need yet another legalized substance (pot) within >affordable and easy access, to contribute to already tight financial >situations (cigarettes ALONE cut into a limited food budget) and already >stressed and negligent parenting. Pot smokers, from my experience, may not be >as aggressive as alcoholics but they are certainly as negligent when it comes >to meeting the needs for care and attention their children require. If my life >were such that I didn't see these realities on a daily basis, I may be in >favor of legalization. My child clients don't need to be inhaling pot smoke >along with the cigarette smoke they are forced to endure on a daily basis. >There is much more I could say, but I simply don't have the time. > >Gina An intersting perspective and good points! There is a cost to society for smoking cigarettes which we have all heard about in the news. There is also a cost to society for smoking weed. For example, higher insurance costs because of auto accidents in which the driver was high and didn't react fast enough to prevent hitting another vehicle. Some people say "As long as the smoker does it in his own house he's not bothering anyone else." Well, suppose that person is a doctor, and you're the one he's going to operate on later that day? If you were in a business and employed people who smoked weed who then made stupid mistakes that caused problems with customers or clients, eventually you would feel the financial impact through lost business or possibly lawsuits. For what it's worth, the medical community has published evidence about the harmful effects of weed, including atrophy of the brain. I don't know how much weed has to be consumed for that to happen or at what rate it happens, but if enough people did do that then I think I might be able to snatch up some of Joni Mitchell's laserdisks off of www.ebay.com auctions quicker and at better prices....! 8-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:02:10 -0500 From: Anne Madden Subject: Car Wheels on a Gravel Road Deb wrote - ><< Been meaning to write to ask someone -- anyone! -- what it is about >Lucinda's > new album that is giving everyone such a thrill? I bought the CD, and ... > well ... I just don't get it. >> The lyrics - heartfelt and beautiful "pierce the skin and the blood runs through"; sensual without being smutty and vulgar - "lie on my back and moan at the ceiling - oh, my baby". In my opinion there isn't one bad song on this album, and every song tells a story. The harmonies are really good especially on "Grenville" with Emmylou Harris. Jim Lauderdale (on background vocals) is no slouch either. Lucinda's voice is not perfect by any means - there is a bit of a rough edge to it but I love the way she sings - it's her phrasing, her drawl, it's the way she groans when she sings "oh, my baby", it's the sincerity in her voice that makes the listener believe every word they hear! This album has a bit of everything, country, rock, folk, cajun & blues. I LOVE IT AND LUCINDA RULES!!!! I saw her in Toronto in October and live, I thought she was even better. Her band is fantastic! If she doesn't win something at the Grammy's next week I WILL SPIT! Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:08:39 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Carly (NJC) Colin, speaking of his lady-love Carly, said: <> True, Colin, sort of unfortunate for her that she was branded as a "singles" artist instead of an "album" artist (if that makes sense). I haven't heard all her stuff (thanx for the discography btw) but my fave is "Come Upstairs", my least favorite song on the record being "Jesse" (the hit). So there ya' go. Bob NP: James Taylor (how 'bout *that* synchro), "Oh Brother" from New Moon Shine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:38:02 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: Re: NJC - Legal Weed Lori wrote in part: > Anyway, the point is that the state of Texas previously recognized a > individual's responsibility to drink sensibly. It was up to each person to > know whether or not one beer could affect their judgment behind the wheel. > > The same goes for marijuana or any other mind/body altering substance. If I > want to stay home and alter myself, it should be my business, as long as I > don't hurt anyone else. (However, "hurt" has many connotations. For > instance, neglecting your children because you spent all your money on dope is > hurting them.) If I want to drive around stoned, then I have to pay the > consequences if I'm driving too fast ... or too slowly ... > > The bottom line seems to be that one person's rights end where another's > begin. Pretty simple concept. Yes, indeed... pretty simple (and rational and intelligent). Much more so than the hundreds of thousands of laws on the books nationwide in USA meant to regulate all forms of human behavior - mostly at great economic and social cost, not to mention it just doesn't work. Once we step over the line and accept the validity of laws meant to prevent rather than punish/reform criminal behavior, we open a Pandora's Box that is next to impossible to close. Where does it end? I don't think it does as there are always gonna be folks who believe a new law will control or prevent behavior *they* think is (or might be) wrong/bad/hurtful/stupid/inconvenient/dangerous..... For better or worse, shit happens in life. People hurt themselves and others. People f**k up... with drugs, food, guns, greed, cars, alcohol and literally everything! But to attempt to prevent bad things from happening among a small percentage of the people by controlling the behavior of ALL the people is, dare I say, sheer lunacy in the grand scheme of things. The law should be used to deal with people who interfere with your right to live your life freely. That's it. No more. But for some reason, we prefer to use the government to parent other adults thereby robbing them of their free will, their right to choose and to learn from their mistakes and stupidity. No wonder there's so little respect for the law. No wonder the so-called justice system is collapsing under its own weight. Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:58:43 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) My fav from that album is In Pain and Take Me As I Am, especially the line 'drunk and lying with the gutter in her face'. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:29:14 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: NJC-Lucinda Williams Lori asked: <<>> It took me a long time to warm to this album. I had the exact same reaction the first few times I listened to it in record stores. The so what? problem, I call it. Sure the songs seem fine, but not great. I was wrong. I think the key is to *really* look at her lyrics, which are as spare and compact and seemingly simple as poetry, but contain a wealth of emotion. Not just any emotion, though. It's complex, messy emotion. The closer you look the more there is (despite what Dougie says ;-) ). The line Bob M. has mentioned so many times is also my favorite: "All I ask, don't tell anybody the secrets I told you." Seems simple enough, huh? Almost banal. Until you look closer. The preceding verse is: Once we rode together In a metal firecracker You told me I was your queen You told me I was your biker You told me I was everything I was in your blood And you were obsessed with me You wanted to paint my picture You wanted to undress me You wanted to see me in your future So this is a lost-love song, right? So the chorus is where she's supposed to say how much she wants him back and won't he please take her back and if there's a God he will take her back. If she's really avant-garde she'll instead use the chorus to spit on him and say how pathetic all that biker-s**t was anyway and she is so d**n glad she's a strong woman and got rid of his sorry a**. What's so wonderful is that she does neither of those things. She just makes a simple, sad request: "Don't tell anybody the secrets I told you." With a mixture of resolution and trepidation, strength and vulnerability (cf PJ Harvey's "I'll make you lick my injuries"--props to David W.) she faces the future with a practical, but somewhat pathetic, eye. And in eleven words. Its a masterpiece of craftsmanship. Other lines come to mind--"junebug versus hurricane," "but this wall is not real ... it's only made of concrete and barbed wire," "coulda held on to that long smooth neck, let your hands remember every fret"--they all conjure up vivid and complex images with words you foolishly think you could have written yourself. I also think her melodies hold up very well to repeated listenings and that her vocal interpretations add weight and character to the lyrics. I think the way I listen to Lucinda's music is similar to the way a lot of Dylan fans listen to his. Does that help? - --Michael NP: Young M.C., _Stone Cold Rhymin'_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All I really really want our loving to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you too - --Joni Mitchell, "All I Want" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:33:51 -0600 From: Alan Subject: NJC: legal weed (Great thread, we have so many good minds here.) I'm not sure I buy into the notion of marijuana being a "gateway drug." While I'm sure it's a true statement that most heavy drug users tried pot first; correlation and causation are different, and not to be confused. I'm sure they also tried beer first... heck, you can follow that logic all the way back to baby food. Equally true is the statement that not everyone who tries alcohol becomes an alcoholic; not everyone who tries pot moves on to cocaine, or heroine, LSD, etc... So the gateway argument doesn't fly for me. While I agree with the arguments that we could do more good for society by legalizing and taxing, rather than spending money on enforcing a prohibition, and with the arguments that legislating morality is questionable, there are two things that bother me about legalization: 1) Pot is more difficult and invasive to detect (need a urine or blood test) than alcohol (breathalyzer), so enforcing driving under the influence laws is a problem which would grow larger with legalization. 2) For both liability and performance reasons, I believe employers have a right to insist on drug free employees. The body disposes of alcohol fairly quickly and completely (about an once per hour), while most other drugs, including pot, tend to linger. I think their effects, although hard to measure, must linger as well. I don't care if my airline pilot had a beer last night (I do care if he had 12!), but it would concern me if he had smoked a joint last night. I would wonder about his memory, his concentration, his focus. I had a similar discussion with a friend of mine awhile back on the subject of pornography. We went around and around the issues of "exploitation and degradation" versus, "the human body is beautiful, sex is natural, consenting adults should be free to make a living any way they chose, and you shouldn't legislate morality." With both of these issues, and many others like them, you can drown yourself in sophistry and equivocation, which is no answer at all. I make a choice by imagining my view (which, of course, means I can't impose it on other people, it's just a way for me to make my own decision) of a perfect world; then I ask myself, "in this perfect world, would this thing exist?" So, in a vote, I would have to cast my vote against legalization of marijuana. Alan Poff. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:50:14 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: First time (NJC) >Phil > >P. S. Who the **** were the Skyhooks? > They were Kareem Abdul Jabbar's favorite band (rimshot). - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:37:53 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams In a message dated 2/18/99 1:29:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: << I think the way I listen to Lucinda's music is similar to the way a lot of Dylan fans listen to his. Does that help? >> Yes, it means I have to pay more attention to the lyrics than to the melodies- something that just doesn't come naturally to me. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:36:05 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: first times.. Hi everyone This is more embarrassing than Michael's. My friends tell me they could have predicted my later sexual preferences just by taking a sneaky peak thru my record collection age 10! First 45 - Barry Manilow - Mandy (1972) (I know, I know...) First LP - ABBA - Greatest Hits (1974) (credible in retrospect, but very dodgy throughout the 80s) First 12" - Donna Summer - Bad Girls First cassette Altered Images - can't remember which one First cd Can't remember Most embarrassing music purchase Well, I was only 5 when I asked my mum to buy 'mandy' for me, so that's out. British chums will remember the Dooleys perhaps (yes, I had some of theirs), Bucks Fizz (yes theirs too). Either of these qualify! LP bought for the cover alone Joni - Hejira, in 1982. First Joni purchase Hejira "Street cred" purchase that got played once Song X by Ornette Coleman/Pat Metheny. Most recent purchases (today in fact) Lauren Hill - X-Factor (45) Placebo - Every you, every me (45) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1904 07:04:02 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: Smells Like Taco Spirit + Joni info Jerry wrote: "Not as bad as going through the drive through at Taco Bell, paying for your order, getting home and discovering you forgot to pick up the food" Hey Jerry- Can you send me some of that? Thanx! Michael P.S. Was in a drum shop yesterday and saw the cover of the January Modern Drummer. John Guerin is on the cover and talks about working with Joni. I will try to post the relevant passages for you Joni info starved folks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:57:59 +1100 From: "Russell George" Subject: Painting With Words and Music Hi - I remember on this list a few months ago there were several Australians talking about the unavailability of Joni's concert from late last year on video . In case you guys are still wondering, it has been released in Australia - I bought it yesterday from a specialist CD store in Melbourne (Basement Discs) and it's FANTASTIC, and it was only $30.00!! BTW - if you like Grand Funk Railroad (sorry this is from a different thread), check out the double live Bosnia album from a couple of years ago. Live versions of their greatest hits that just about rip your head off. Russell in Melbourne, Oz. NP: Jackson Browne - World In Motion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:16:50 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) paul tyrer wrote: > Hi everyone > Most embarrassing music purchase > Well, I was only 5 when I asked my mum to buy 'mandy' for me, so that's out. > British chums will remember the Dooleys perhaps (yes, I had some of theirs), > Bucks Fizz (yes theirs too). Either of these qualify! > Well, here's what I consider to by my most embarrasing purchase: Gary Moore -- Still Got The Blues At least musically, he's never had them. I found this out when I bought "The Healer" by John Lee Hooker. Winfried np: The Go-Betweens -- Bachelor Kisses (Best pop-group ever) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:12:20 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: first times.. In a message dated 2/18/99 4:45:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, paul@tyrer23.freeserve.co.uk writes: << My friends tell me they could have predicted my later sexual preferences just by taking a sneaky peak thru my record collection age 10! First 45 - Barry Manilow - Mandy (1972) (I know, I know...) First LP - ABBA - Greatest Hits (1974) (credible in retrospect, but very dodgy throughout the 80s) >> Hmm. Let me guess. You like sex with dogs? ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:26:16 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: JC in TV Guide Hi all, I've been busy with school but still reading posts, 200 at a time. In this weeks TV Guide they asked TV actors what Rock and Roll band they wanted to be in. Wendie Malick, Just Shoot Me, said that she wanted to be Joni Mitchell. "Not only was she cool; she hung out with cool guys who wrote songs about her." Thought my only post in 2 months ought to be Joni Content. Luv you all, Diana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:47:35 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: NYTimes and Knoxville's Old City (NJC) You city slickers up there in Yankee Land might be interested in seeing Sunday's New York Times Travel Section with an article and photos on our fair city's revitalized area devoted to the arts&entertainment called the Old City. I frequent a new acoustic club there called Bird's Eye View. Also...Chamique Holdsclaw (Lady Vols BB player) just won the Sullivan Award for the nation's top amateur athlete. (No, I ain't workin' for the Chamber of Commerce... next report...LIVE! from DollyWood...) Marsha, with news you didn't need to know ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:53:09 -0500 From: "John Wasak" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (a little JC) Jimmy wrote: >Sorry if someone has brought this singer up before, but I missed a couple of >weeks of digests at the time this album was released. I was reading a review >on the Jonatha Brooke Live album, and never hearing of her before I learned >that she was with the rock-folk duo "Story". What caught my eye in this >article was that it mentioned: >"She's getting more attention than ever for her intelligent, jazz-inflected >tunes and a voice certain to appeal to Joni Mitchell fans." >I don't know if this is just another lame review where the reviewer mentions >Joni just so I'll go out and spend my hard earned money only to be >disappointed. If any of you kind people can give me some feedback, it would be >greatly appreciated. >Jimmy >> Reviewers, it seems to me, often use Joni Mitchell's name as a sort of knee jerk response when confronting music that fits the mold of Female Singer/Songwriters, playing acoustic guitar in a "folk-rock/pop style. Recently I saw a sticker on the front of a Dee Carstensen CD proclaiming "Dee Carstensen is the next Joni Mitchell". Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think she is. (Although I liked her version of Jimi Hendrix's "Angel" played on a harp). So many today are hyped as the "next Joni Mitchell". The truth is there are no next Joni Mitchell's any more than there are next Beatles, next Nick Drake's, next Billie Holiday's, next Miles Davis', next JS Bach's, next Mozart's or even next Glenn Gould's etc. These people are originals. At best the "nexts" can only be copy cats. Jonatha Brooke's "Ten Cent Wings" is a nice folk/rock CD and nothing more. I hear it as sounding a good deal closer to the music of Shawn Colvin, especially her "A Few Small Repairs" CD, than anything by Joni Mitchell. BTW, if you're looking for something interesting in a folk/jazz type of thing try Cassandra Wilson's "New Moon Daughter" some of it has a Hejira, DJRD, Mingus feel to it, although Cassandra's a much deeper voiced singer than Joni and her singing style is more "jazzy", probably closer to someone like Sarah Vaughan, so it may not be for everyone. Regards, John http://www..geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/6026 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:00:27 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) Oh God. I can't believe I'm revealing this. Lawrence Welk's Yellow Bird album. I think I was 12. Well, it was a big hit! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:59:03 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: JC in TV Guide Diana writes: << In this weeks TV Guide they asked TV actors what Rock and Roll band they wanted to be in. Wendie Malick, Just Shoot Me, said that she wanted to be Joni Mitchell. "Not only was she cool; she hung out with cool guys who wrote songs about her." >> Neil Young is one of those cool guys. He's gonna be doing a solo acoustic gig here in the SF Bay area next month that I'm looking forward to. The song he wrote about Joni (circa 1973) has never appeared on an album, and he's only performed it twice. But here it is, for what it's worth: SWEET JONI ---------- Sweet Joni from Saskatoon There's a ring for your finger It looks like the sun But it feels like the moon Sweet Joni from Saskatoon Don't go, don't go too soon. Who lives in an old hotel, Near the ancient ruins. Only time can tell, Time can tell. Go easy, the doorman said The floor is slippery, So watch your head. This message read. Sweet Joni from Saskatoon There's a ring for your finger It shines like the sun But it feels like the moon. Sweet Joni from Saskatoon Don't go, don't go too soon. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:09:53 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Re: NJC 78's At 09:21 PM 2/16/1999 -0800, Gene Mock wrote: >78 Come Go Wtih Me, Dell Vikings I was reading everyone's list and wondered if anyone would mention 78's. My first single was a 78. "Happy Trails to You" by Roy Rogers and Dale Evans. Had to have been in the 50's. I still have all my 45's and I was looking through them.. Once I started buying them in '61 I bought a bunch. I think I have every #1 song from 1961 to 1963! But I don't remember "the first!" My first Album was SurfBeat by the Challengers, bought it around '61. I don't remember my first 8 Track or Cassette but First CD was in '97! Mozart for your morning coffee (bought for background computer music). It was nice sharing with you, now back to studying my Statistics and Probability. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:12:59 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams I gave her album a listen recently too. I don't get it either. Sounded like another country singer to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:16:13 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: legal weed In this country there is a simple test now which the Police use. It is a sweat test-something stuck on the body-and it tells if you have smoked pot and other drugs. As for porn-well I am hypocrite about it. i have seen it and liked it but wonder how those taking part could do such a thing! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:59:49 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: JC in TV Guide And 'Stupid Girl' from 1975's 'Zuma.' You're just a stupid girl You really got a lot to learn Start living again Forget about remembering You're such a stupid girl. You're such a beautiful fish Floppin' on the summer sand Lookin' for the wave you missed When another one is close at hand You're such a stupid girl. You're such a stupid girl. I saw you in Mercedes Benz Practicing self-defense You got it pretty good I guess I couldn't see your eyes You're really stupid, girl. You're such a stupid girl. At 5:59 PM -0500 2/18/99, JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > Neil Young is one of those cool guys. He's gonna be doing a solo > acoustic gig > here in the SF Bay area next month that I'm looking forward to. The song he > wrote about Joni (circa 1973) has never appeared on an album, and he's only > performed it twice. But here it is, for what it's worth: ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:02:23 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Most embarrasing purchase (NJC) Duran Duran's 'Decade'! I will admit that their Wedding Album is still really good. Mark NP-Strange Boy (She should do this one on the next tour) At 6:00 PM -0500 2/17/99, Jerry Notaro wrote: > Oh God. I can't believe I'm revealing this. Lawrence Welk's Yellow Bird > album. I think I was 12. Well, it was a big hit! > > Jerry ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:09:16 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Lucinda Williams (NJC) I think she has a great voice, though her "world-weariness" sounds slightly mannered and overdone to me at times. I think Tom Ross wrote a while back that it has a "studied weariness"? -- I agree. But places like where she hisses, "You took my joy! I want it BACK!" are great. (I get this amusing image of Lucinda rampaging like Godzilla through the southland in search of her joy, citizens fleeing in terror.) I agree with Bob about the lyrics, I think every song on the album is fine. I also love the instrumentation. Like others say -- it's a pleasure to listen to. I sometimes wish there were a few more chords in there but I can't complain... Bob wrote: > > It sounds like she put her band in the studio and did all these in one > take. In these times of overproduced, sampled, sound, it just sounds > *real*. Funny that though it might *sound* like that, in fact she worked on it six years to get that effect. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:39:17 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (NJC) John seemed somewhat dismissive of JBrooke with: >Jonatha Brooke's "Ten Cent Wings" is a nice folk/rock CD and nothing more. >I hear it as sounding a good deal closer to the music of Shawn Colvin, >especially her "A Few Small Repairs" CD, than anything by Joni Mitchell. I have all her stuff and have seen Jonatha three times live. She is tops IMO, and I hope she has a long, prolific career. Her vocal range is much wider than Shawn's (who seems to be having fast degradation of her vocal chords), and her musicality and lyrics are way up in the big leagues, I think. My favorite of her works is Plumb...next, Angel in the House. Marsha (seeing JB's former partner Jennifer perform this Saturday night) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:06:10 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, catman wrote: > My fav from that album is In Pain and Take Me As I Am, especially the line 'drunk > and lying with the gutter in her face'. > My favorite Carly Simon album is MY ROMANCE. Heartfelt. Touching. Intensely personal. My fave song of hers: "We Just Got Here" from HAVE YOU SEEN ME LATELY. Joseph (can't decide whether to have cappuccino or espresso) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:57:58 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: but my fave is "Come Upstairs", > my least favorite song on the record being "Jesse" (the hit). So there ya' > go. > > Bob Isn't it funny how different people's tastes can be. I own all of Carly's albums in one form or another and my *least* favorite is 'Come Upstairs'. There are 2 songs that I *do* like from that record. One is 'James' and the other? 'Jesse' of course. Carly's no Joni but she's no slouch either and doesn't get the credit she deserves, imo. She's a fine songwriter and her last album of original material 'Letters Never Sent' has some wonderful stuff on it. And her voice is about as good as (maybe better than) when she started. 'You're So Vain' was *not* the extent of the woman's talent (although I still love that song - one of the best hooks that's ever been recorded imo). Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:33:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) She is really good at the 'big' love song. Lost In Your Love from LNS is a case in point. Although i appreciate Torch and My Romance, I much prefer her self penned songs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:36:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) > And her voice is about as good as (maybe better than) when she started. > 'You're So Vain' was *not* the extent of the woman's talent (although I > still love that song - one of the best hooks that's ever been recorded > imo). What has always amazed me about her rich alto is that it sounds opn her first album(71) the way you'd expect it to sound on a much older woman.Now in her 50's it has lost nothing, but gained a richness. I once read a review by a ninkompoop who said her voice was not suited to belters!!!!! What was he on? > > > Mark in Seattle - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:09:50 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: Carly (NJC) you're so vain was a great single, so was anticipation. but long before those. hold on, the carly content will come. in the '60s, when the rhythms of the tv seasons mattered more to us, once in a while he networks would run a summer variety series instead of reruns. one year, maybe 68, there was a show called 'new faces' nor something like that. i can barely even remember the concept. i remember this. a girl singing 'my father sits in the living room something, something. his cigarette glows in the dark.' the chorus was 'so you think it's time we moved in together. and raise a family of our own. well i guess it's time we moved in together. we'll marry.' it wasn't carly but within a month she had recorded the song and it was on the radio. i think that's the first i ever heard of her. did she write it? i was 10. what did i know about resignation? all i know is there was something terribly sad in that last line, 'we'll marry', a girl choosing to do something she doesn't really care to do because she can't think of a better idea. so, so, sad, to the ten-year old and still to this fourty-year-old. patrick np - brian asawa - the dark is my delight ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:17:45 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Carly (NJC) In a message dated 2/18/99 11:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, trxschwa@bway.net writes: << remember this. a girl singing 'my father sits in the living room something, something. his cigarette glows in the dark.' the chorus was 'so you think it's time we moved in together. and raise a family of our own. well i guess it's time we moved in together. we'll marry.' >> "That's the Way I Always Heard It Should Be" remains in my mind Carly's best song for it's irony and emotion, plus she does a little belting of her own in there. Paul Ivice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:16:57 +0100 From: John Kelly Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #83 AN IMPROMPTU PRESS RELEASE---JOHN KELLY WILL BE PERFORMING A 45 MINUTE SOLO SET AS JONI MITCHELL AT THE P.S.1 CONTEMPORARY ART CENTER IN LONG ISLAND CITY, NEW YORK, ON SUNDAY THE 21ST OF FEBRUARY AT 4PM IN "THE VAULT". FOR INFORMATION AS TO HOW TO GET THERE YOU CAN CALL 718.784.2084. I'M SENDING THIS OUT CAUSE THE CURATORIAL POWERS THAT BE HAVE DONE NO PUBLICITY FOR THIS AND I HATE PERFORMING FOR MYSELF. CHEERS! JOHN ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #84 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. 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