From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #83 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, February 18 1999 Volume 04 : Number 083 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC: First music [Kate Tarasenko ] NJC: Legal weed [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: first albums, cds, etc. (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] Attn UK jimdles - Joni on the Beeb ["Phil Klein" ] Re: NJC - Legal Weed [Jerry Notaro ] Re[2]: first albums, cds, etc. [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] First time (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] (NJC) Re: Portishead ["Laurie Reifel" ] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #80 [Louis Lynch ] First stuff/Portishead (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: NJC - Legal Weed [LRFye@aol.com] Daddy Cool (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] NJC First time [catman ] Re[2]: NJC - Legal Weed [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: NJC-reefer madness [Ginamu@aol.com] Two Joni mentions in LA Times [Steve Dulson ] Re: first albums, cds, etc. [Randy Remote ] Re: Unflattering TTT Review [Randy Remote ] Re: Unflattering TTT Review ["Don Rowe" ] RE: Unflattering TTT Review [Michael Yarbrough ] Re[2]: Unflattering TTT Review [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] RE: Unflattering TTT Review ["Don Rowe" ] Re: first albums, cds, etc.(NJC) [Scott and Jody ] Re: First time (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: 8 Track Memories (JC) [Jerry Notaro ] NJC - Suzanne Somers [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: 8 Track Memories NJC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: first albums, cds, etc.(NJC) [Scott and Jody ] The Lyrics book [Wally Breese ] Re: first albums, cds, etc. [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [LRFye@aol.com] Re: first albums, cds, etc. (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Portishead [Terri Forte ] Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [Scott and Jody ] Jonatha Brooke (a little JC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Unflattering TTT Review ["Deb Messling" ] Fwd: NJC-Lucinda Williams [Wolfebite@aol.com] A Pot Thing (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: First Purchases (NJC) ["Gerald Hillman" ] TTT Columbia House #24 Bestseller ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: A Pot Thing (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: A Pot Thing (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Jonatha Brooke (a little JC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:08:13 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: First music Fun thread! First 45: "Barnacle Bill the Sailor" (I was about six...) First album: Jackson 5 (forget the title) 8-track: my older brother's domain, probably Frampton First cassette: Roberta Flack First CD (late to the digital game): Deep Forest ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 01:21:47 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Legal weed Eric Taylor wrote: "...'Today I separated the Male Hemp from the Female Hemp.' America's founders obviously smoked dope!" My understanding is that hemp is different from the smoking-type of marihoochie (whose decriminalization I favor). Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:37:25 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: first albums, cds, etc. (NJC) 45 - The Herd - From the Underworld LP - Rolling Stones - High Tide and Green Grass 8 track - Acquired in one job lot : Blue Gordon Lightfoot - If you could read my mind Carly Simon - the one with "You're so vain" Allman bros - Live at the Filmore 12" Tears for Fears - Everybody wants to rule the World CD Van Morrison - Poetic champions compose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:19:00 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: Attn UK jimdles - Joni on the Beeb I'm not sure if anyone else has posted this (I've deleted the last 5 unread digests...) but Radio 2 are broadcasting a programme about Joni on Saturday evening (20th). The following is from the bbc website: 7:00pm Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now Mary Black presents a programme about the celebrated singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell, charting the development of her innovative musical vision from her early folk roots in the 60s to the more jazz-influenced work of the 90s. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:35:47 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Attn UK jimdles - Joni on the Beeb Wow! Would this Mary Black be the wonderful Irish singer who did a cover of Urge for Going? > > Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now > Mary Black presents a programme about the > celebrated singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell, Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:38:35 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: NJC-reefer madness Winifried posted recently: <> These are two of the most important arguments (IMHO) against legal marijuana. The fact that smoking usually entails buying and puts you in a situation that is not limited to just pot use. I believe it is a "gateway" drug to other substance as it will expose you to a peer group that are more likely to use other dangerous substances and deal with problems, stress, etc. by sedating themselves. It does arrest the development of healthy coping skills in young and older people, as does alot of mind/mood altering substance. I know I don't fancy the idea of my child smoking pot, legal or not, and would like to know how many listers that are pro-legalize have children? just a thought, Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:27:33 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: first albums, etc.(NJC) I can do this one: 45 - Older sisters bought them, I used them. (Supremes, Sam the Shah and the Pharoahs, the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and more) LP: that classic NY Mets 1969 World Series album, but that was a freebie. The first LP I bought was "Jesus Christ Superstar" with my paper route money from the slim, slim, slim music section in Two Guys in Harrison, New Jersey. I still love it. 8-track: I had an 8-track player in my very first car, so I had Hejira and Springsteen's Darkness on the Edge of Town. Cassettes: never bought one, they were always copies MG np: morning coffee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 07:59:34 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: first albums, cds, etc. (NJC) Paul says: <> What synchronicity! When I was 12, monkeys gave me a "Some Girls" album!! Sorry, couldn't resist...Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:19:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - Legal Weed Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > Scott asks: > > << Have you ever heard of anyone overdosing on marijuana? >> > > Does binging at the Taco Bell when you're stoned count? :>D Not as bad as going through the drive through at Taco Bell, paying for your order, getting home and discovering you forgot to pick up the food :-) Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:41:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - Legal Weed Scott Price wrote: > Also, studies have shown that moderate consumption of alcohol actually has > health benefits. I've yet to see any studies showing marijuana usage to > have a *physical* health benefit...as in "reduced risk of heart disease," > which is now an accepted effect of alcohol consumption. Funny. This very issue came up on an interview this morning on The Today Show, only about labeling of alcohol. The spokesman for the industry said no one in the alcoholic beverages industry ever claimed health "benefits", only health "effects." Interesting. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:41:58 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: first albums, cds, etc. Craig said: <<45: Secret Agent Man>> This is one of the "coolest" songs ever along with "Peter Gunn" & "Harlem Nocturne" Bob NP: Elvin Bishop "Give Me Some of that Money" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:53:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: First time (NJC) How about combining the two threads? First song heard while high??? Mine: Magic Carpet Ride. All I remember is saying Ohhhhhh. So that's what all the hub bub is about!! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:25:10 -0500 From: "Laurie Reifel" Subject: (NJC) Re: Portishead > > > My most recent purchase has been the Portishead Live @ Roseland video. > Anyone like Portishead? > see ya, Greg. Love them! I have only heard bits and pieces of the live one and it sounds amazing. Almost better than the studio work (?). Laurie PS First LP: Monkees First CD: Grapes of Wrath or Edie Brickell (I can't remember which, but I know I had only those 2 CD's for a long time!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 06:36:48 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #80 Firsts: First 45 - Beatles, Penny Lane First LP - Iron Butterfly, In a Gadda da Vida First 8 track - Leo Kottke, Ice Water First CD - Tracy Chapman First Cassette - Joni Mitchell, For the Roses ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:12:10 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: First stuff/Portishead (NJC) A couple of these are pretty embarrassing... First cassette: Either Michael Jackson, _Thriller_, or DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince one with "Nightmare on My Street" First LP (which our house got into *after* cassettes--that's how young I am): Tiffany's first (and only?) album and George Michael, _Faith_ First cassingle: Don't remember. Never bought many. First album CD: Gloria Estefan, _Cuts Both Ways_ and _The Little Mermaid_ soundtrack. These were gifts. Janet Jackson's _Rhythm Nation 1814_ and Madonna's _I'm Breathless_ were early purchases First CD maxi-single: Madonna, "Justify My Love" Still one of the best collection of remixes I own. First 12" single: Several used Pet Shop Boys ones from the fabulous record store down from Julie's at the Pittsburgh JMDLfest First box set: Don't remember exactly but it's either _The Patsy Cline Collection_ or _The Casablanca Records Story_ Laurie wrote re: Portishead: <<>> The live album is interesting mostly because of its astonishing similarity to the studio stuff despite its clearly being "live." Worth getting if you're a fan, but otherwise not very interesting. The arrangements are almost exactly the same as on record. The one exception is "Sour Times" (the "Nobody loves me, it's true" hit), which is rocked out and pushes Beth's voice to ecstatic shrieks of agony. My boyfriend and I affectionately call this one the Voodoo Head version. It was incredible live, and it's incredible on record. - --Michael NP: Neil Young, _Sleeps With Angels_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sometimes I'm goody goody Right now I'm naughty naughty - --Aaliyah, "Are You That Somebody?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:55:59 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Legal Weed There have been some really good opinions on this thread, one of which ('though I can't remember its author) suggested that personal RESPONSIBILITY is the key here. I agree. Years ago (and not so many) in Texas, it was legal to drink and drive. That meant you could cruise around in your pickup truck with an open beer, swilling away. That did NOT mean you could drive while drunk. If memory serves me correctly, it was the feds who got into the act, threatening to refuse much- needed money for highways if the law didn't change (just as they did when some western states delayed changing their speed limits to 55 mph). Anyway, the point is that the state of Texas previously recognized a individual's responsibility to drink sensibly. It was up to each person to know whether or not one beer could affect their judgment behind the wheel. The same goes for marijuana or any other mind/body altering substance. If I want to stay home and alter myself, it should be my business, as long as I don't hurt anyone else. (However, "hurt" has many connotations. For instance, neglecting your children because you spent all your money on dope is hurting them.) If I want to drive around stoned, then I have to pay the consequences if I'm driving too fast ... or too slowly ... The bottom line seems to be that one person's rights end where another's begin. Pretty simple concept. Lori, who favors legalization and taxation San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:00:35 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Daddy Cool (NJC) Greg says: <<1st LP: "Daddy Who Daddy Cool" Daddy Cool (again, only Aussies will probably know of this) >> Not so, Greg! My sister (in America) loved this band and bought their record "Daddy Cool". I think she saw them in concert as well, but I could be wrong...I do remember her playing the record for me though - they seemed like some kind of revivalist band. "Daddy Cool's a-playing on that music machine - Daddy who? Daddy Cool!" Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:40:49 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC First time This reminded me that my first pop concert was The Skyhooks in Albury NSW, about 73. When was your first? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:38:27 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: NJC - Legal Weed Don states: <> I think the fatal flaw with the arguments I've read for legalization is the misconception that if it were legal consumption would remain a private matter, with folks only continuing to smoke in their homes. I don't think this would be the case. Look at alcohol, it's consumed in private, sure, but in public at bars, sporting events, restaurants, etc. If pot were legal, it would eventually take on the same status with "pot bars", etc. Think about porno - where it's outlawed, it's only consumed in private. Where its not, you can go to public theaters. So if pot *was* legal, public consumption *would* be an issue, driving stoned would become the same issue drunk driving is, IMO. <> This is positively correct, maybe we should migrate to a "don't ask/don't tell mentality, like in some parts of Europe, it seems to be more of a common sense solution than legalization, which becomes an irreversible decision... <> fwiw, I don't think the legalization of mj would affect the crime rate in the least bit, depends on how you define it I suppose...in my mind crime is more closely correlated with employment and educational issues than with the legalization of pot. Again, this is something we can only guess at... <> Well put, and worth about 200 more hours of debate! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:08:48 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC-reefer madness In a message dated 2/17/99 6:41:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, MP123A321@aol.com writes: > I know I don't fancy the idea of my child smoking pot, legal or not, and > would > like to know how many listers that are pro-legalize have children? > I don't have time to post something extensive but I DO have children. Not only that, I am a social worker - I've worked in all sorts of settings, all of my work has been done with children and their parents. Some of the outreach work I've done (in people's homes) shows me first hand the realities of substance abuse of all types and their effect on the lives of children. My drinkin' and druggin' clients don't need yet another legalized substance (pot) within affordable and easy access, to contribute to already tight financial situations (cigarettes ALONE cut into a limited food budget) and already stressed and negligent parenting. Pot smokers, from my experience, may not be as aggressive as alcoholics but they are certainly as negligent when it comes to meeting the needs for care and attention their children require. If my life were such that I didn't see these realities on a daily basis, I may be in favor of legalization. My child clients don't need to be inhaling pot smoke along with the cigarette smoke they are forced to endure on a daily basis. There is much more I could say, but I simply don't have the time. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:41:36 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Two Joni mentions in LA Times The LA Times Orange County edition Tuesday had a couple of Joni mentions. The first was in an obituary of Doug Weston, the legendary owner of the Troubadour, who died Sunday. Joni is mentioned as one of the artists who had key career- making gigs at the Troub. Doug was also famous for his booking policy - the first time he hired you, you signed a contract saying that you'd come back 2 or 3 more times at the same fee, which explains Joni playing the Troub in the early '70s after she had "made it". Under my Living Tradition hat, I am promoting a concert Saturday by Dave Carter and Tracy Grammer, a singer/ songwriter duo out of Oregon. In a great article by Mike Boehm, Dave says "All of us modern songwriters are the children of Lennon and McCartney, Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell." That article is at: http://www.calendarlive.com/HOME/CALENDARLIVE/OC/t000014699.html and I imagine the Doug Weston one is nearby. Best, ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:05:54 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: first albums, cds, etc. First LP-Beatles-Help!, in 1965 First 45-Association-Windy First cassette-Fleetwood Mac-Tusk First (only) cassette single-Stevie Nicks-(?) for unrel B-side First CD-Cars-Heartbeat City First prerec video-Fleetwood Mac-making of Tusk First Joni LP-Blue, when it first came out ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:26:53 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Unflattering TTT Review Thanks Anne, for providing some laughs |-) Anne Madden wrote: > The following review appeared in the February/March of Dirty Linen > Magazine, written by Mitch Ritter > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:47:56 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Unflattering TTT Review >> The following review appeared in the February/March of Dirty Linen >> Magazine, written by Mitch Ritter So I must ask, just what is Dirty Linen Magazine, and what possessed them to grind their axes on TTT? Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:57:43 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Unflattering TTT Review Don R. asked: <<>> Don't know... <<>> Perhaps that they didn't like the album. - --Michael NP: Who, _Who's Next_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:13:06 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Unflattering TTT Review Don R. asked: <<>> <<>> Michael answers... <> But, looking on the good side, they listened to it for 5 months before they made up their mind! :>) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:14:41 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: RE: Unflattering TTT Review >Perhaps that they didn't like the album. > >--Michael Let me see if I can clarify. Their review was written as if the editors somehow expected Joni to ride in as their champion, singing their political themesong (whatever that is), and felt cheated that TTT wasn't more "correct." Hence my questions ... which remain. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:16:58 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: first albums, cds, etc.(NJC) > What was the first 45, LP, CD, cassette, etc. > >that you bought? > 45: Beatles - I Want To Hold Your Hand LP: Herman's Hermits - I don't recall the title. 8-track: My brother had an 8-track player in his car and I remember driving around with him listening to Grand Funk Railroad. Is that the correct name of the band? Cassette: I haven't the foggiest.. 12": Elvis Costello and the Attractions - side A: Let Them All Talk - side B: The Flirting Kind CD: Song To a Seagull and Hejira jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:32:21 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: first albums, cds, etc.(NJC) Scott and Jody wrote: > 8-track: My brother had an 8-track player in his car and I remember > driving around with him listening to Grand Funk Railroad. Is that the > correct name of the band? Yes. And can you believe that they actually covered Song for Judith?????? Jerry No wonder VH1 has a show called 8-Track Memories ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:19:10 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 8 Track Memories (JC) Jerry wrote: >No wonder VH1 has a show called 8-Track Memories I didn't know about this show - how funny! When I bought my first car and was starving all I could afford was an 8-track player, even though cassette players had been out for a few years. I never locked the car because no one wanted to steal an 8 track player or the tapes. But one day, I discovered that my car had been rifled through and all the tapes were stolen EXCEPT Hissing of Summer Lawns and DJRD. You'd think I'd be happy they didn't take those, too, but I was actually a little angry that they'd rejected her! Went through two copies of DJRD wearing it out from constant play. Speaking of Grand Funk - a college roomate had one of their albums on 8-track and it was the only tape she owned. Everytime I got in her car it was playing - "I'm getting closer to my hoooo-ooo-ome.." Kakki NP: Fredy Omar album produced by Mr. Paz. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:33:11 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: First time (NJC) Bob Marley's 'Legend.' NPIMH-Dust and Ashes At 8:53 AM -0400 2/17/99, Jerry Notaro wrote: > How about combining the two threads? First song heard while high??? > > Mine: Magic Carpet Ride. All I remember is saying Ohhhhhh. So that's > what all the hub bub is about!! > > Jerry ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:36:31 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 8 Track Memories (JC) Kakki wrote: > I didn't know about this show - how funny! When I bought my first car and > was starving all I could afford was an 8-track player, even though cassette > players had been out for a few years. Hosted by that multi-talented Suzanne Somers. Come and knock on my door...... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:45:44 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: NJC - Suzanne Somers <> And bring your thighmaster!! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:51:03 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: 8 Track Memories NJC Kakki remembers: << When I bought my first car and was starving all I could afford was an 8-track player>> I never had an 8-track but a couple of my buddies did; I remember there would always be at least one song per tape that was split on the tape so you'd be jammin to a tune and then have to wait while it rolled over to the next track...what a pain! Bob, who could probably go buy 8-tracks to this day at the Jockey Lot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:52:13 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: first albums, cds, etc.(NJC) Jerry, You replied about Grand Funk Railroad: > can you believe that they actually covered Song for Judith?????? > > Jerry > > No wonder VH1 has a show called 8-Track Memories > Give me a day to recall their music. I remember I'm your Captain and a couple others that are running through my mind. Speaking of Grand Funk Railroad, a cousin of mine told me that she had seen them live. For some reason, the audience was rather unruly and eventually one of the band members addressed the crowd and said," Fine, if any of you think you can play better than us, come on up, we dare you. Moments passed and some guy finally walked on stage. He grabbed a guitar, took his hat off and said, "Hi, My name is Eric Clapton", then proceeded to play an entire set. She said the crowd went wild. She was thrilled as she was more of a Clapton fan anyway. I don't know if this is true or not. She 'swears' by it. Whenever I hear "I swear this really happened", leads me to think it's an Urban Legend. You'd also have to know my cousin as well. jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:07:09 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Grand Funk memories NJC Jody takes a trip down memory lane with Grand Funk: <> The most bizarre thing I recall about Grand Funk was that Frank Zappa produced one of their albums! (Good singin', Good Playin') I also remember when "We're an American Band" was a hit, my Dad thought that "C'mon dudes, let's get it on!" was the worst song lyric he had ever heard... Bob NP: Don Henley "Boys of Summer" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:08:19 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: 8 Track Memories(NJC) Never mind Jerry, I don't need a day to recall Grand Funk's music. It all came back to me. There wasn't much to remember. I will have to catch that VH1 show though :-) jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 99 14:21:29 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: The Lyrics book Hi everyone, My thanks to Howard Wright for answering the question about the corrections he collected for Joni's "Lyrics" book. I really screwed this one up and I feel guilty about my failure. The publishers contacted me in early May saying that they needed the corrections within one week to meet their print deadline. (I'd negotiated with them earlier and they'd agreed to take the edits.) However, I searched and couldn't find the folder I'd been saving, and so I e-mailed Howard and asked him to please rush me another copy of the corrections. The problem is that Howard was on vacation and didn't return until well after the print deadline. Here's the killer in this though- the very day after the deadline, I found my original corrections folder sitting right on my much-cluttered desktop. I immediately phoned my contact at the publishers, but they'd already gone ahead with the process. This is not an excuse but perhaps an explanation- this was the same week when I'd found out that the cancer had returned, plus I was just about to leave to travel along as Website reporter with Joni on her first tour with Bob and Van. So my head was jumbled, and I lost track of the corrections file. I feel awful about this lost opportunity. Sorry, folks. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:52:37 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: first albums, cds, etc. In a message dated 99-02-16 16:35:36 EST, you write: << What was the first 45, LP, CD, cassette, etc. >that you bought? >> 45 = Hey Jude, the Beatles First LP = Neil Young - Harvest First Cassette = Cat Stevens - Foreigner Suite First CD = Joni Mitchell - Court & Spark Michele ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:04:27 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams Been meaning to write to ask someone -- anyone! -- what it is about Lucinda's new album that is giving everyone such a thrill? I bought the CD, and ... well ... I just don't get it. : ( Back in '88, Lucinda played at a nightclub here, where I was working at the time. I've gotta say that I didn't "get it" then, either. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:57:34 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: first albums, cds, etc. (NJC) My first: 45: Arizona - Mark Lindsay (I think) LP: probably the first Partridge Family album, although it might've been an Osmonds LP (how embarrassing) Cassette: Bread, an early one with the song Mother Freedom on it 8-track: Talking Book - Stevie Wonder (which I just about wore out) 12" single: either Billy Ocean's Caribbean/European Queen (on see-through green vinyl, no less!), or one of two by Depeche Mode (I still have these) CD: Steady On - Shawn Colvin Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:38:54 -0700 From: Terri Forte Subject: Re: Portishead Check out "Dummy." It's great. Terri NP: Bela Fleck and the Flecktones ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:52:24 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams Lori wrote: > Been meaning to write to ask someone -- anyone! -- what it is about Lucinda's > new album that is giving everyone such a thrill? I bought the CD, and ... > well ... I just don't get it. : ( > I like it ! I just enjoy listening to it. Maybe there's some' back to roots' of country music that draws me to it. I don't know. I have wondered if "Drunken Angel" was about Hank Williams. There was a feature article in "No Depression" mag -The Altrnative Country(Whatever That Is)Bimonthly about Lucinda Williams. It was a great article but that still doesn't say why I like this CD as much as I do. I guess It's time for the music experts on the list to come forth. jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:23:16 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Jonatha Brooke (a little JC) Sorry if someone has brought this singer up before, but I missed a couple of weeks of digests at the time this album was released. I was reading a review on the Jonatha Brooke Live album, and never hearing of her before I learned that she was with the rock-folk duo "Story". What caught my eye in this article was that it mentioned: "She's getting more attention than ever for her intelligent, jazz-inflected tunes and a voice certain to appeal to Joni Mitchell fans." I don't know if this is just another lame review where the reviewer mentions Joni just so I'll go out and spend my hard earned money only to be disappointed. If any of you kind people can give me some feedback, it would be greatly appreciated. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:13:26 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Unflattering TTT Review Don asked: > So I must ask, just what is Dirty Linen Magazine, and what possessed > them to grind their axes on TTT? Dirty Linen is one of the most popular folk music magazines around. I would speculate that there is a bit of resentment toward Joni in the folk community for her seeming disrespect toward the genre. Remember the nasty review from the folk DJ guy about the Chicago benefit concert? Same deal, same resentment, I think. What's especially annoying about the Dirty Linen piece is that they are known for almost *never* giving a bad review, even when deserved. At last they acknowledged the existence of TTT. They didn't review Turbulent Indigo at all. That's when I let my subscription lapse. Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:10:34 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Fwd: NJC-Lucinda Williams This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_919303834_boundary Content-ID: <0_919303834@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 2/18/99 12:56:31 AM !!!First Boot!!!, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: << Lori wrote: > Been meaning to write to ask someone -- anyone! -- what it is about Lucinda's > new album that is giving everyone such a thrill? I bought the CD, and ... > well ... I just don't get it. : ( > then jody wrote: I like it ! I just enjoy listening to it. >> which is exactly my response. if i listen to the music 'too carefully'- it doesn't reveal much- but as a "drivin' down the road with my honey at 7:30 am crawling rushhour traffic with car wheels blaring & we singing at the top of lungs" music- it's unbeatable. It has that same good-drug effect as a great pop song- like 'that The New Radical' songs or 'ghost in you' by the Furs... they just groove. but i understand if you (Lori) aren't turned on by it- cuz i, i must confess, feel the same way about the lauryn hill disc- which i bought after all the praise and fanfair and haven't listened to it since the first time.... i found it annoying. so there... speaking of annoying- what's been playing in the car cassette deck all this week is captain and tenille's greatest hits... (i swear- it's not my choice) doug - --part0_919303834_boundary Content-ID: <0_919303834@inet_out.mail.earthlink.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:56:30 -0500 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id TAA16789; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11328; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id TAA28398; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:55:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id TAA28387 for joni-outgoing; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id TAA28383 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust74.tnt28.chi5.da.uu.net [208.255.39.74]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27964; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:54:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36CB6448.4AEEA77E@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:52:24 -0600 From: Scott and Jody X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) To: LRFye@aol.com CC: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams References: <2664ad02.36cb4afb@aol.com> Sender: owner-joni@smoe.org Reply-To: Scott and Jody Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Lori wrote: > Been meaning to write to ask someone -- anyone! -- what it is about Lucinda's > new album that is giving everyone such a thrill? I bought the CD, and ... > well ... I just don't get it. : ( > I like it ! I just enjoy listening to it. Maybe there's some' back to roots' of country music that draws me to it. I don't know. I have wondered if "Drunken Angel" was about Hank Williams. There was a feature article in "No Depression" mag -The Altrnative Country(Whatever That Is)Bimonthly about Lucinda Williams. It was a great article but that still doesn't say why I like this CD as much as I do. I guess It's time for the music experts on the list to come forth. jody - --part0_919303834_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:10:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: A Pot Thing (NJC) Kakki wrote: "Studies done at major U.S. universities over 20 years ago found that the resin inhaled from smoking pot accumulates and stays in one's lungs forever." Hey Kakki- I heard that when they did an autopsy on Waly Disney, they came up with a considerable amount of resin from his lungs. This coulda been the rantings of some drug crazed acquaintance of mine, but it had a ring of, hmmmm..... Anyone? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:10:08 -0600 From: "Gerald Hillman" Subject: Re: First Purchases (NJC) 45 - "Smoke On The Water" - Deep Purple LP - "The Partridge Family Album" Cass - "Superman" - Barbra Streisand CD - "Cosmic Thing" - The B 52s 8-Track - _____________ Music Video - "Painting With Words" will be my 1st. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:28:12 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: TTT Columbia House #24 Bestseller I just received the latest from Columbia House and Taming The Tiger is #24 on the Top 30 Countdown! E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:34:34 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: A Pot Thing (NJC) Michael P. wrote: > I heard that when they did an autopsy on Waly Disney, they came up with a >considerable amount of resin from his lungs. This coulda been the rantings of >some drug crazed acquaintance of mine, but it had a ring of, hmmmm..... Anyone? I always assumed Disney and his band of animators had to be taking psychedelics! It's conceivable that Walt, as an artist, inhaled years worth of turpentine, paint thinner and other noxious substances involved in his craft which contained resins. Kakki, never inhaled but NP during first contact high was "White Bird" by It's a Beautiful Day NP: Get High by my darling Bill Champlin and his Sons ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:40:04 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams In a message dated 2/17/99 5:08:40 PM Central Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Been meaning to write to ask someone -- anyone! -- what it is about Lucinda's new album that is giving everyone such a thrill? I bought the CD, and ... well ... I just don't get it. >> Well, I'm a "someone" and an "anyone", plus I've been tooting about "Car Wheels" ever since it came out, so I'd better chime in: 1. The lyrics to me are very real and free of cliche..."little dirt, mixed with tears", "Not a day goes by, that I don't think about you, you left your mark on me, it's permanent, a tatoo", "All I ask, don't tell anybody the secrets I told you". These are superb lyrics in terms of their emotion and directness. There's no guessing or discussing what the songs are about - her emotions are written down, her heart is right there on her sleeve, and it's sung just as honestly in a world-weary voice that makes you know she's been there. 2. The melodies are extremely accessible and easy to feel. It's also a lot of fun to sing harmonies to, if you love to sing along with records. The second time you hear it, you can jump right in with choruses like "Concrete & Barbed Wire". 3. The instruments, and the sound of the record is just sincere & genuine. It sounds like she put her band in the studio and did all these in one take. In these times of overproduced, sampled, sound, it just sounds *real*. Great slide guitar, which I'm a sucker for, and even some of that Beatle-esque twangy guitar. No tricks, just treats. And "Sweet Old World" is just as good... Bob NP: Stevie Wonder "Don't you worry 'bout a thing" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:41:43 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: A Pot Thing (NJC) In a message dated 2/17/99 9:12:12 PM Central Standard Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << I heard that when they did an autopsy on Waly Disney, they came up with a considerable amount of resin from his lungs. This coulda been the rantings of some drug crazed acquaintance of mine, but it had a ring of, hmmmm..... Anyone? >> Michael, I thought he was cryogenically frozen...how could they do an autopsy? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:02:30 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC-Lucinda Williams In a message dated 2/17/99 6:07:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Been meaning to write to ask someone -- anyone! -- what it is about Lucinda's new album that is giving everyone such a thrill? I bought the CD, and ... well ... I just don't get it. : ( >> Lori, The global rave reviews have confused me too. I have tried repeatedly to like her CD, Car Wheels, but don't get it either. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:13:56 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke (a little JC) In a message dated 2/17/99 8:40:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << If any of you kind people can give me some feedback, it would be greatly appreciated. >> Jimmy, You are in for a real treat, IMHO. I have been enjoying her 10 Cent Wings since I purchased it over 8 months ago. Go for it! 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