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JMDL Digest Friday, February 12 1999 Volume 04 : Number 075
The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes
by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery
username: jimdle password: siquomb
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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NJC: Mystery jazz diva [Kate Tarasenko ]
Re: JMDL entry ["Cupit, Greg" ]
Re: Joni's #2 & #3 ["Cupit, Greg" ]
Re: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off) [catman ]
Re: NJC - once more without the typos (Patricia Barber) [Joseph Palis ]
Re: Joni's guitar picking ["P. Henry" ]
Re: NJC: Mystery jazz diva ["Steve Garrison" ]
Re: DED and Mingus [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Re: Joni's guitar picking [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Tinky winky (seriously NJC) ["paul tyrer" ]
Re: JMDL Entrance ["P. Henry" ]
Re: JMDL Entrance ["P. Henry" ]
Re: JMDL Entrance (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ]
Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance [Mark-n-Travis ]
Re: public acceptance... (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com]
Re: Cholera [AzeemAK@aol.com]
Re: public acceptance... (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ]
Reprise Interview Disc [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Hejira Re-Master?? ["John Wasak" ]
Re: Hejira Re-Master?? ["Don Rowe" ]
Tears Of Stone Contest [Wally Breese ]
Re: Tinky-Winky ["bern.gallagher" ]
Fw: NJCTT (which stands fortele-tubby! Although I think NJC is enough all by its lonesome.) ["bern.gallagher" ]
Re: Blue's Clues - JC parody [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Valentine's Day show [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Re: Joniart attached [Bounced Message ]
NJC - Re: Attachments [Les Irvin ]
Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance [Ginamu@aol.com]
Metheny/Joni thread [The Humphreys ]
Re: Favorite Albums [The Humphreys ]
Long: Audiophile's Corner: JM fails ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ]
Re: Joni's guitar picking ["P. Henry" ]
(NJC) Joni As Psychic Friend [LRFye@aol.com]
[none] ["Teresa Ritzert" ]
Re: (NJC) Pat , Coffeehouses, Beatniks and stuff ["Kakki"
Subject: NJC: Mystery jazz diva
Calling all you jazzophiles out there --
I caught a glimpse of last year's Newport Jazz Fest on TV recently, and
I was positively blown away by a 20-ish blonde woman who sings with a
wonderfully smokey voice and sultry nuance, and she's got the chops of
someone three times her age. She also plays piano. Can't remember the
standards she played or her name. Anybody know who I'm talking about?
Thanks for your help!
Kate in CO
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:51:49 +1100
From: "Cupit, Greg"
Subject: Re: JMDL entry
Since it seems that Paul I's response to my SIQUOMB query seems to have
started all this, I'd just like to point out following some of the
suggestions regarding checking out the Joni website, that I don't have
internet access on my system at present. I have e-mail access and hence
I participate in this list, but it's only on the sly on someone else's
computer in the council chambers that I can peek at the Joni site for
short time periods.
There seem to be lots of little idiosyncratic things that are a bit
mysterious to us new kids on the block which probably would not all get
covered in a FAQ sheet or quiz, and I think it could all get a bit
elitist and discourage younger people from learning about Joni and her
music. Let's encourage fresh curiosity, not stifle it with embarassing
or humiliating processes.
Thanks to all who replied and relieved my Siquombfusion.
Any news on the TI & TTT painting titles. I wait with baited
breath......
Eric T. Yeah, Pat Metheny's The Roots Of Coincidence does some funny
things to me. Sections of it send goosebumps all over me. The
juxtaposition of those amazing mood changes is very sweet... I tremble
at the knees.
I have a friend who runs the Island Cafe here in Hobart and he's a huge
Pat fan as well as Peter Gabriel, Bruce Cockburn and recently Joni
amongst many others. Anyway, after the doors are closed we often turn
Coincidence up full bore and shake the cobwebs out of the cafe. The
full Pat collection is often playing in the background in the cafe and
it's great to hear Hejira and S & L more often now. He's only a young
guy and it's interesting to hear his fresh enthusiasm as a new listener
to Joni.
Any JMDLers also interested in fellow Canadian Bruce Cockburn? Also
someone with a great way with words. Great painterly technique with
scene creation in his lyrics as well as some forceful political
statements and mystical musings. I'd love to hear a Bruce/Joni
duo........
Tassie Greg
Vision without action is merely a dream
Action without vision just passes the time
Vision with action changes the world.
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:31:21 +1100
From: "Cupit, Greg"
Subject: Re: Joni's #2 & #3
Peter De Baets wrote:
<>
And Eric responded:
Now I'm confessing:
TTT is taking a long time to really grow on me. I'm going to stick my
neck out in this Joni-adoring forum and say that I was initially
disappointed with it when I first heard it. I'd even go so far as to say
that I think it's not quite up to Joni's usually high standards. It
seems to lack something really special that previous albums have. There
are about 3 tracks I really like (Crazy Cries, Best to You, , but some
others feel a bit throw away!! I think a recent interview mentioned how
she had been getting bored with making music lately. I think there's a
certain lack of passion with TTT that creeps through it. Lyrically, it
doesn't have the depth of her other work. (I've not read any sort of
critical comment on this list yet, so I hope I'm not going to be booed
off the list for being way outta line.)
One of the reasons I reckon Hejira is so good is because of Jaco
Pastorius' lush bass playing. It meshes and flows with Joni's guitar
playing exquisitely.
My #2 & 3's are probably between S & L, DED (Ethiopia used to bring me
to tears), TI, NRH & WTRF.
A critical Taswegian Greg
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:29:12 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off)
Gary Glitter is in court charged with child sexual abuse and keeping child
porn. He was arrested last year.
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:09:02 +0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Palis
Subject: Re: NJC: Mystery jazz diva
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Kate Tarasenko wrote:
> I caught a glimpse of last year's Newport Jazz Fest on TV recently, and
> I was positively blown away by a 20-ish blonde woman who sings with a
> wonderfully smokey voice and sultry nuance, and she's got the chops of
> someone three times her age. She also plays piano. Can't remember the
> standards she played or her name. Anybody know who I'm talking about?
> Thanks for your help!
I have not watched the Newport Jazzfest but if she is blonde and possesses
the smokey-est of voice this side of Cassandra Wilson and plays the piano
awfully well, then she must be the Canadian jazz diva Diana Krall. She was
often compared to Shirley Horn and Carmen McRae and her piano-playing is
just as refined and great. She released four albums to date. STEPPING OUT
is a great album and better than they said it was. ONLY TRUST YOUR HEART
gained from the masterful appearance of Grover Washington. ALL FOR YOU is
a tribute to the piano and vocal artistry of Nat King Cole, while LOVE
SCENES simply reminded you why she is THAT great.
Joseph
(who hopes he is not sure)
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:11:17 +0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Palis
Subject: Re: NJC - once more without the typos (Patricia Barber)
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Les Irvin wrote:
>
> on Patricia Barber the San Francisco Bay Guardian wrote:
> "...part Billie Holiday, part Joni Mitchell - as captivating as anything
> emerging in jazz in this decade."
I agree. She is very avant-garde, too, yes? Her album CAFE BLUE has got
to be one of the greatest statements in jazz vocal ever. Approximates
Urszula Dudziak's fine musicianship and by extension Diamanda Galas'
quirkiness.
Joseph
(who considers Janis Siegel the best singer alive in the world today)
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:05:38 -0000
From: "Steve Powell"
Subject: DED and Mingus
Don, Bob, Lauri,
I confess that I never gave these two a fair hearing. They weren't the Joni
I was expecting & hoping for so I shelved them. Today I listened to both
again in the light of excellent advice from you guys.
I really enjoyed DED, superb production & sound quality etc. I remember
thinking originally that the message had overtaken the music, that Joni was
preaching with powerful words but an absence of musical content to carry
them, (back to the tune/melody debate?). I agree Don that on an intellectual
level Tax Free and Fiction pack more protest punches than Big Yellow Taxi,
but which of those three do you think will be the most enduring song?
On the subject of protest songs I read a scathing review of "Ethiopia" by a
critic who resented it being written by someone who rarely leaves the
comfort of a Bel-Air mansion, a sort of "White men can't sing the blues"
beef, and I admit to preferring her work on more personal themes based on
her own experiences, loves & relationships etc.
Mingus is much more an album for "jazzophiles". I know Charlie Mingus was a
great musician because so many people say so, just as Beethoven was
obviously a genius, but I don't listen much to either. I can only assume
that my musical taste or sensitivity is not developed or advanced enough for
that level of complexity. However I did enjoy Mingus more than I expected
this time, particularly A Chair In The Sky & Sweet Sucker Dance, so perhaps
there is hope for me yet?
Anyway, good talking to you, & if Greg Luke read this I definitely agree
with you, jargon & cliquism turn lots of people off.
Thought for the day "Did Dr Henry Higgins treating everyone coldly make it
ok?" :-)
Steve
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:37:58 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking
CarltonCT@aol.com wrote:
>Do you still have that guitar?
unfortunately smashed by the x...
Do you have recordings from that time?
I'd give my right arm... I don't even have the 'second fret tape' that everybody else seems to have... from what I've heard, if I did have one it would be about the same...
Did you ever hear Joni play the Uke?
no...
Did you think she was going to be as famous as she became?
to be honest, at 17 I don't think I could really fathom her greatness... all I knew is that *I* thought she was the greatest thing since sliced bread and that I just sort of floated away every one of the 50 or so times I heard her play live... I wrote about this before, but a big clue as to her future fame was the fact that we had regular visits from record company agents trying to get backstage to see her whom she would not even talk to... actually she spent a year or two knocking around the circuit when she could've been riding in her limo if she would only have compromised with the record companies... *L* that battle has been going on for a loooonnggg time!
I'm sure the list would love to know the answers to some of these questions.
I dunno... oddly I've written quite a lot of long historical accounts of events and facts that I'm aware of and they don't seem to raise much interest... I certainly appreciate yours. *S*
pat
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:43:13 -0500
From: "Steve Garrison"
Subject: Re: NJC: Mystery jazz diva
Did her trio include a fabulous arch-top guitarist named Russell Malone?
Then it was surely Diana Krall. Malone is a true artist, and my favorite
member of the trio.
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>> I caught a glimpse of last year's Newport Jazz Fest on TV recently, and
>> I was positively blown away by a 20-ish blonde woman who sings with a
>> wonderfully smokey voice and sultry nuance, and she's got the chops of
>> someone three times her age.
> I have not watched the Newport Jazzfest but if she is blonde and possesses
> the smokey-est of voice this side of Cassandra Wilson and plays the piano
> awfully well, then she must be the Canadian jazz diva Diana Krall.
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:20:24 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Re: DED and Mingus
In a message dated 2/12/99 5:34:53 AM Central Standard Time, S-
P@dude25.freeserve.co.uk writes:
<< On the subject of protest songs I read a scathing review of "Ethiopia" by a
critic who resented it being written by someone who rarely leaves the
comfort of a Bel-Air mansion, a sort of "White men can't sing the blues"
beef, and I admit to preferring her work on more personal themes based on
her own experiences, loves & relationships etc.
>>
This is certainly a stupid point of view for a critic to take...like Joni has
to do time in the Magdalene Laundries to write about it? Like she has to
starve to write about the injustices of Ethiopia? Most artists I care about
who make movies, write songs, paint, whatever, are quick to see injustice and
just as quick to react...to imply we can't be comfortable and have compassion
for the uncomfortable is ludicrous...
Bob
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:28:59 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking
In a message dated 2/11/99 4:12:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
badwolff@angelfire.com writes:
<< It also seems to me that Joni's modern guitar style is pared down, that
what she does now is a kind of combination of strumming and picking. >>
Could the change, in part, be related to the use of the VG? With an acoustic,
every string plucked rings like a bell, but I think there's a muffling effect
when she plugs in. Maybe she's had to change her picking style accordingly.
Terry
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:28:50 -0000
From: "paul tyrer"
Subject: Tinky winky (seriously NJC)
Hi everyone
Here in Manchester, UK, we have a fantastic 'Lesbian & Gay Village' - 40 of
the trendiest bars, restaurants and clubs you can imagine all packed into a
delightful canalside, tree-lined area. (Worth a visit if you're oop north).
Anyway, Velvet, one of the most fabtastic gay bars, has miniature TVs above
the men's urinals (I kid you not). And when I went in there yesterday,
after a particularly busy drinking session, the TELLYTUBBIES WERE ON TV!
What more proof does Jerry need? Needless to say, some joker said, "that's
not the first tinky-winky I've seen in here tonight!"
PX
PS the other TT names are Laalaa (like Jerry?), Po (no comment) and Dipsy
(there was a big storm here in the UK when it was revealed that Dipsy was
supposed to be black! So much for US embarrassment!)
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:49:10 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: Re: JMDL Entrance
luke wrote: (emph. added)
< May I just add that I think the comment made about a JMDL entrance exam was pretty rude. ***God forbid that listmembers take time out of the all-important Teletubbies discussion to answer a Joni-related question.*** Many of us have been fans for years and never known what SIQUOMB stands for... ***I'm just glad I didn't ask and be practically laughed off the list. I'd say that when the conversation drifts so far over to the NJC side, any Joni question is a good question.*** >
touche' and amen!!! *BG*
pat
NP - "Oh Linda" - Lightfoot
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:54:52 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: Re: JMDL Entrance
luke also wrote:
< but this group of people can and sometimes does snub others, especially new listers. When someone can go on for pages about sexual orientation and religion, I'm sure a few lines dedicated to the definition of SIQUOMB wouldn't hurt. >
...and amen!!!
pat
NP - "The Way I Feel" - Lightfoot
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:32:11 +0100
From: "Winfried Hühn"
Subject: Re: JMDL Entrance (NJC)
P. Henry wrote:
> luke also wrote:
>
> < but this group of people can and sometimes does snub others, especially new listers. When someone can go on for pages about sexual orientation and religion, I'm sure a few lines dedicated to the definition of SIQUOMB wouldn't hurt. >
>
> ...and amen!!!
>
Even though this definitely is the mostly-asked question in Joniland, so far everybody who posed it to the list got at least one nice and encouraging answer. It follows that there are plenty of people willing to be helpful here, and as long
as that is the case, a JMDL-Entrance test or something similar is rather redundant. I agree it would make a very elitist and stuck-up impression, and that I'd very much like to avoid.
Winfried
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:33:40 -0800
From: Mark-n-Travis
Subject: Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance
IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:
"The question isn't whether I treat you badly, but whether you've
> seen me treat anyone else better."
> LOL
> Paul I
This made me chuckle. Paul, do you also treat a duchess like a flower
girl?
Mark in Seattle
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:49:03 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off)
Vanessa -- you GO GIRL! As an old Uriah Heep, Mighty Zep (talk about a
band that changed R&R!), Deep Purple fan, I have to tip my leather beret
to you for this insightful comment ...
>Just for fun listen to any old metal band. With their rolling bass
>lines, pounding drumbeats, ripping guitar sounds and soaring vocals
>they really create anthems that make your blood race and want to
>conquer the world.
When you get right down to it ... is there any "real" substitute for
"Made In Japan"? I think not ... most of today's "shock & glam" acts
can't even park their car next to it!
Don Rowe
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:02:32 +0100
From: "Winfried Hühn"
Subject: Re: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off)
Don Rowe wrote:
> >Just for fun listen to any old metal band. With their rolling bass
> >lines, pounding drumbeats, ripping guitar sounds and soaring vocals
> >they really create anthems that make your blood race and want to
> >conquer the world.
>
> When you get right down to it ... is there any "real" substitute for
> "Made In Japan"? I think not ... most of today's "shock & glam" acts
> can't even park their car next to it!
>
If Marilyn Mansion et al. parked their car next to mine, I'd leave it right
there and buy a new one!
Winfried,
obviously a *huge* "shock & glam" fan
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:26:13 -0500
From: Michael Yarbrough
Subject: Shock and glam (NJC)
I just want to say that the new Marilyn Manson album is pretty decent,
though I hated his older stuff (especially the cover of "Sweet Dreams
(Are Made of This)." Furthermore, I think putting the fun back into rock
and roll is a perhaps unoriginal but nonetheless 100% admirable goal.
Whether he succeeds or not is another question entirely. I prefer
Sleater-Kinney or the Beasties for my fun.
Anyhoo, I'm currently trying to figure out how I can make the Marilyn
Manson/Hole concert here in DC and go on my planned SoCal trip,
which currently conflict with each other. May the most fun choice
win. :-)
- --Michael
NP: TLC, _CrazySexyCool_
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Sometimes I'm goody goody
Right now I'm naughty naughty
- --Aaliyah, "Are You That Somebody?"
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:41:23 EST
From: AzeemAK@aol.com
Subject: Re: public acceptance... (NJC)
In a message dated 09/02/99 00:32:21, LRFye@AOL.COM writes:
<< NP: Shawn Colvin's version of Satin Sheets ("Praise the Lord and pass the
mescaline ...") >>
Hallelujah to that! One of my fave lines in any song. And doesn't Shawn sing
and play it beautifully?
Azeem, looking forward to a gig this evening by the divine Christine Collister
- - and it's actually within walking distance of my flat for once!
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:41:36 EST
From: AzeemAK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cholera
In a message dated 11/02/99 01:49:37, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes:
<< I just figured Azeem was having a bad day.
>>
By sheer chance, I've not had the time to post in the last few days, so I
thought I'd better confirm that I haven't got cholera - and thank you all for
your concern!!
Azeem
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:58:25 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: public acceptance... (NJC)
AzeemAK@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 09/02/99 00:32:21, LRFye@AOL.COM writes:
>
> << NP: Shawn Colvin's version of Satin Sheets ("Praise the Lord and pass the
> mescaline ...") >>
> Hallelujah to that! One of my fave lines in any song. And doesn't Shawn sing
> and play it beautifully?
And,
Please, no more therapy,
Momma, take care of me.
Jerry
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:15:45 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking
In a message dated 2/12/99 7:40:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
badwolff@angelfire.com writes:
<<
I dunno... oddly I've written quite a lot of long historical accounts of
events and facts that I'm aware of and they don't seem to raise much
interest... I certainly appreciate yours. *S*
pat >>
Pat,
Your reponses like this are read with interest. I'm just not sure they leave
much room for follow-up questions or speculative commentary, which is what
many of us excel at.
Paul I
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:07:03 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance
In a message dated 2/12/99 9:34:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark-n-
travis@worldnet.att.net writes:
<<
IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:
"The question isn't whether I treat you badly, but whether you've
> seen me treat anyone else better."
> LOL
> Paul I
This made me chuckle. Paul, do you also treat a duchess like a flower
girl?
Mark in Seattle>>
Sure. I have no use for royalty.
Though maybe some day I'll meet a flower girl I can treat like a duchess.
Paul I
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:51:44 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Free at Last! Free at Last! (NJC)
Thank God Almighty, we are free at last from this whole impeachment
thing. I absolutley LOVE MSNBC's final blurb on Monica ... "First job
out of college goes wildly awry ..." kind of like saying "Titanic dinghy
sinks in millpond."
Don Rowe
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:57:20 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Reprise Interview Disc
Yippee! I finally got a response to an E-mail I sent in *November* to the
local NPR station in N.C. I offered to make a contribution to their winter
fund-raiser for a copy of Reprise's Interview Disc with Joni (the one with the
painting of her paddling a canoe on the cover). I had forgotten about it when
out of the blue, the program director mailed me back to say that, yes, he had
the disc and yes, he'd be glad to trade it for a contribution. Cool! I'll post
again when I get it, I assume some of you have the disc, I am also assuming it
*hasn't* made it to a Tree yet...
On another subject, this week I was driving to work this week with my CD
changer in random mode, when "The Arrangement" came on - I had heard the song
a couple hundred times before, but all of a sudden the words just really spoke
to me -
"You could have been more
Than a name on the door
On the thirty-third floor in the air
More than a consumer
Lying in some room trying to die
More than a credit card
Swimming pool in the backyard..."
Not that I feel I lead a wasted life or anything, but this just inspired me to
keep on striving to be more than another face in the crowd. One of the
hallmarks of Joni's music, for me, is the ability of these songs to speak to
me at so many different stages of my life. Plus, with The Arrangement, you
feel like you're listening to the seed that would later blossom in HOSL.
Just a mini-experience I wanted to share with folks who can understand...
Bob
NP: Lauryn Hill, "Ex-factor"
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:53:29 -0500
From: "John Wasak"
Subject: Hejira Re-Master??
I just picked up the re-master (HDCD) of Hejira today. The thing that
caught my eye immediately was that only three of the tracks have the same
timings. All the others on the re-master are different, some by quite a
bit. For example, the older CD times the song "Hejira" at 6:35 while the
HDCD has a timing of 6:42. Could anyone explain why the timings of the
songs are different?
Perplexed,
John
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:29:24 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Hejira Re-Master??
John writes ...
>I just picked up the re-master (HDCD) of Hejira today. The thing that
>caught my eye immediately was that only three of the tracks have the
>same timings. All the others on the re-master are different, some by
>quite a bit. For example, the older CD times the song "Hejira" at
>6:35 while the HDCD has a timing of 6:42. Could anyone explain why
>the timings of the songs are different?
I'm almost ashamed to admit I never even noticed this ... but I do have
what may be an explanation. It probably has to do with the "Index
marking", or the process by which the cd player 'recognizes' the
beginning and end point of the tracks. The original CD might have had
that mark programmed at the point where the songs start, rather than
including any few seconds of silence before and/or after. To test this,
skip to a track and see if there are silences before and after the song
... my guess is that this will account for the "extra" time.
Don Rowe
(who no longer has an original 'Hejira' CD for comparison ...)
Don Rowe
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Enter to win at this address:
http://www.bmgclassics.com/irish/chieftains/tearsofstone/
Later,
Wally Breese
The Joni Mitchell Homepage
http://www.JoniMitchell.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:33:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "bern.gallagher"
Subject: Re: Tinky-Winky
> In a message dated 2/11/99 1:18:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> bern.gallagher@cwix.com writes:
>
> << If you think about it,
> they all COULD be gay. After all...they're teletubbies!
> I actually watched the show twice and, to my horror, the
> second show was a repeat of the one I'd already seen!
> Time for teletubby bye-bye! >>
>
> Or each different color teletubbie could indicate a different gender and they
> ALL have to get together in one big happy rainbow to reproduce enough little
> teletubbies for next season.
> ;>)
> Paul I
THAT is a very scary concept!
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:48:08 -0800 (PST)
From: "bern.gallagher"
Subject: Fw: NJCTT (which stands fortele-tubby! Although I think NJC is enough all by its lonesome.)
> I wrote:
> > >The actor who played Tinky-Winky, that is, the guy who
> > >had the balls to get in that stupid suit
>
> Tube wrote:
> > You mean to say that there are people inside them?
> >
> > Tube
>
> And I, assuming this is a joke, tremble inside at the scary
> possibilities of this NON-JONI CONTENT thread.
> Hey Tube, great handle, but I hope there is no-one
> inside that vacuum-claner monster with the googelly
> eyes! The tubbies, though, are real people.
> Can you imagine trying to make La-La dance
> with a ball without someone guiding the movements
> of the suit? A fearsome enterprise, indeed.
> I'm surprized no-one has mentioned the incredibly
> frightening Baby-Sun. Thank god my nephew likes
> Blue's Clues!
>
> Hope everyone is well today in Joni-Land.
> I've only been here for six months or so, and I'm
> starting to feel like an old-timer! And my typing skills
> have been drastically improved, thanks to all the
> stimulating stuff that sets me off into an exclamation
> and doesn't let me go until I have lustily pegged out
> my post. I'd just like to say thank you to all the
> great personalities on this list! It's been a great ride
> and I hope it isn't anywhere near over! :-)
>
> But please no parody of Blues Clues!
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:03:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "bern.gallagher"
Subject: Blue's Clues - JC parody
OK, in order to pre-empt my fear, I'm taking
a stab at this. This is my first time, and I'm scared
Blue (parody)
Blue
Clues are like tatoos
You know I've seen this paw before
Crown and anchor it
Get in your thinking chair!
Hey, Blue
Here is a clue for you
To put in your show
Your friend Steve's a dweeb
An empty space to fill in
Well there's so many watching now
You gotta keep thinking
You can spot out all those paws
Dipsy, La-La, and Poe
Tiny-Winky's bag
The ratings are bad.
The ratings are bad.
Hey, Blue
Here is a song for you
Inside you'll here a sigh
Teletubbies say good-bye
Where is the B B C?
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:46:25 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Re: Blue's Clues - JC parody
In a message dated 2/12/99 3:05:39 PM Central Standard Time,
bern.gallagher@cwix.com writes:
<< Hey, Blue
Here is a song for you
Inside you'll here a sigh
Teletubbies say good-bye
Where is the B B C?
>>
Bern, Great Job! The first one is always the toughest!! Looking forward to the
next one. (Of course, I probably would've got more yuks out of it if I was a
"Blues Clues fan)...
Bob
NP: Brian Setzer "Sleepwalk" great twangy guitar...
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:55:53 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Valentine's Day show
I was off work today, and went to my son's school to have lunch with him...our
lunch also had a floor show, a performance of some of the kids lip-synching to
songs. I was amused when the songs they did, with cheesy choreography, were
"My Girl", "Wishin' & Hopin'" & "The Shoop Shoop Song (It's in his kiss)". I
commented after the songs were done to the kids at the lunch table "These
songs are all well over 30 years old - why don't y'all do some songs that are
popular *NOW*? Two kids were quick to answer "Because our music sucks!"
I laughed and said "That's not entirely true, it's just that they don't want
you hear the good stuff...it's out there, you have to search it out."
Bob
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:34:43 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: Joniart attached
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:27:06 -0800
From: Randy Remote
That's funny (see below), we su.bscribe to another list through majordomo and
get attachments all the time. In any case, if anyone wants to see the art
in question, email me and I'll send it to you.
Randy
Bounced Message wrote:
> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:51:10 -0800
> From: Randy Remote
>
> philipf@tinet.ie wrote:
>
> > California Steve wrote:
> > >Also, another clue to "Cold Blue Steel" being about JT is the fact
> > >that in the FTR songbook she has the lyrics facing a memorable
> > >painting of JT.
> >
> > Steve,
> > My copy of FTR shows the song facing a painting of a nurse
> > shooting up.
>
> I had to check.... at first I thought; huh? shooting up? yeah, right...
> but the more I look at it the more I'm NOT sure... what do the rest of
> you think?
> I've attached a scan of the felt tip drawing in question.
> RR
>
> (Note from the bouncer: sorry, attachments never make it through the
> majordomo system...)
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:02:44 -0700
From: Les Irvin
Subject: NJC - Re: Attachments
At 04:34 PM 2/12/99 , Randy Remote wrote:
>That's funny (see below), we su.bscribe to another list through majordomo and
>get attachments all the time.
Randy et al -
Majordomo has many different settings that administrators can tweak. The
people at Smoe have set their system to bounce attachments, presumably a
disk-space saving trade-off for the free use of their system.
Les
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:18:40 EST
From: Ginamu@aol.com
Subject: Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance
In a message dated 2/12/99 12:12:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com
writes:
> The point I was trying to make is that if you read the info on the web
pages,
> you'll find it easily. The "exam" would merely be a clever way to use links
> to
> show new people that the answers to MOST of their questions can be found in
> the information already provided.
> It is not an attempt to embarrass new people or disqualify those who are
> only
> casual Joni fans.
> Paul I
>
It takes a few seconds for someone to respond to a Joni question by a new list
member. Besides, it's a nice, welcoming gesture, as well.
Gina
NP: Fresh Air interview with Julia Sweeney
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:40:37 -0500
From: The Humphreys
Subject: Metheny/Joni thread
I ahve a little story, or memory nugget, to share regarding Pat Metheny
Group and Joni. I had a boyfriend in college who was/is a Metheny head
as I was/am a major Joni head. He talked me into going to a PMG concert
one weekend. It, of course, didn't take much talking into as I had been
visiting the music for awhile and found it astonishing. I must preface
the next piece of the story by saying at the time I paid little
attention to the musicians backing on albums. So, we were driving home
after this jaw dropping, mind blowing, 3 hour, no break experience, when
I quietly started humming a favorite Joni tune. At the same moment, my
boyfriend began humming a Pat tune. We laughed and I said, "Wouldn't it
be incredible if those two ever got together!!!(Listers, please pardon
my youthful ignorance :-)) Well, about a week later, I actually read
the S&L credits and Lo and Behold!!! I then ran over to my boyfriend's
classroom, stating some emergency that beckoned him out of class, and
needless to say we spent the next 2 days in Joni/Pat bliss! (I have to
add that Lyle is my fav!).
Suzanne
NP: Offramp
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:54:23 -0500
From: The Humphreys
Subject: Re: Favorite Albums
To add to the confusion, my utmost pick for favorite Joni album is
unquestionably FTR. I guess this just goes to show how personally she
can affect each and every one of us. I do agree that Hejira is also
exceptional. I find trying to decide between the two a bit like the old
apples and oranges cliche. They musically demonstrate to very different
styles within Joni's context as well as transporting the listener to a
different emotional plane. I find them equally haunting and engaging,
yet still return the FTR time and again.
Suzanne
NP: still listening to Offramp ( fantasizing about Lyle....IMD's)
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:16:47 -0500
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu"
Subject: Long: Audiophile's Corner: JM fails
Hello cousins,
Today in Audiophile's Corner:
"Why Joni Failed As A Leader of The World Music Movement."
Joni has been using rhythmns from Africa for a long time. So why didn't
the critics fall at her feet when "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" come
out? Why were Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon lauded for their work which
covered some of the same ground? Was it just a matter of rock/pop being
a "boys club"?
Last night I listened to Simon's "Graceland" and especially enjoyed
"Diamonds On the Soles of Her Shoes". He had Lady Black Mombazo
(Spelling error?) singing background and the voices were clear, very
clear. Mr. Simon's engineer has clearly done some nice work in getting
everything just right. There were no microphones overloading. Besides
being a nice, very nice track it was also superficially beautiful.
Tonight I put on "So" by Peter Gabriel. Again, the artist *brought
musicians into* the production and recorded them well. Again, besides
being a nice, very nice track it was also superficially beautiful.
What did Joni do when she found "a Bo Diddly figure" and decided to use
it in her musical collage? She didn't call up Bo and get him into the
studio. She didn't get out of LA and go to Africa and record those
drummers. She just sampled it. I'm talking about the drums on "The
Jungle Line" on the Hissing Of Summer Lawns album. I'm no engineer but
I'm pretty sure that the drums sound shitty because they weren't
recorded right. It's too bad she didn't re-record it because what she
*did* with is really inventive. I love the Jungle Line. Where she
fails is she failed to give us an African drum choir that is
superficially beautiful.
And on "Taming The Tiger" she did it again. The very first track has
that VG-8 sound of a steel drum that is distorted. It sounds like it
went through an overloaded *phone line* before it was recorded. I love
that track; I really do. I just wish she had recorded it better so we
wouldn't have to listen through the sludge. The new album is so harsh
that even a cassette copy of the album [:D] sounds glassy. It's not the
tape, it's the recording. So please Joni, hire an engineer next time!
And a fussy one!
- --
Read me or delete me but don't try to shut me up,
Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! **
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:33:32 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking
clark wrote:
>Thanks, Pat. I actually have thought there might be a movie script in that whole period of Joni's life. That era of the folkies is ripe to be revisited.>
ripe indeed! the 60's hippie thing is mainly what's remembered but few people recall the 'folk boom' that went on in '64-'65 when there were *two* prime time network live folk concert shows on tv every week... in '66 when I came to be involved with the Cellar there were no hippies... no drugs... but the coffeehouses of the circuit were, as you say, ripe with the dramatic idealism that came to characterize those times...
speaking of movies, they're showing 'the '60's' tomorrow night (out here we get our tv a week late) and I always watch these things with an eye for accuracy and, from what I've seen in the previews, like most of them, they jump right from the 'camelot' era to straight to haight-ashbury and the movements. it *all* started in the coffeehouses! in fact our particular coffeehouse was the actual birthing place of the SDS and the infamous 'Port Huron Statement' back in '62... (here's an excerpt... check this out: "We are the people of this generation, bred in at least modest comfort, housed now in the universities, looking uncomfortably to the world we inherit.
When we were kids the United States was the wealthiest and strongest country in the world; the only one with the atom bomb, the least scarred by modern war, an initiator of the United Nations that we thought would distribute Western influence throughout the world. Freedom and equality for each individual, government of, by, and for the people-these American values we found good, principles by which we could live as men. Many of us began maturing in complacency.
As we grew, however, our comfort was penetrated by events too troubling to dismiss. First, the permeating and victimizing fact of human degradation, symbolized by the Southern struggle against racial bigotry, compelled most of us from silence to activism. Second, the enclosing fact of the Cold War, symbolized by the presence of the Bomb, brought awareness that we ourselves, and our friends, and millions of abstract "others" we knew more directly because of our common peril, might die at any time. We might deliberately ignore, or avoid or fail to feel all other human problems, but not these two, for these were too immediate and crushing in their impact, too challenging in the demand that we as individuals take the responsibility for encounter and resolution." ...also, many of the '60's bands, like the Airplane, the Dead and the Byrds, were folk groups gone electric.
here's another story for you: (also one I've written to the list before...) just prior to my leaving the Cellar I played a weekend as the default 'house performer'... (meaning we had no outside acts booked and I was the featured act) I was really getting good and was at my peak of performing ability. as I mentioned there were record company agents constantly coming there on 'Joni weekends' whom she refused to see... well, this weekend one showed up, in his 3-piece suit which stuck out among the turtlenecks like a sore thumb, and, lo and behold, at the end of the night, after my big finish of my last set, the guy wanted to talk to ME! he wanted me to sign a recording contract and start making an album right away. well, I put him off and subsequently moved to detroit and got more involved in activism and sort of forgot about it, though I never could figure out how that just kind of fell in my lap... (I mean, acts tour for years without getting an offer like that! I never auditioned for anyone or even sent out a demo tape!) until it finally dawned on me a year of so later after STAS came out... it was Joni! it had to be! there's no other explanation possible... this guy came all the way from chicago!
oh well, guess I've rambled enough. take care. *S*
pat
ps -
< ...Just wondering what you do for a living now. Are you still a musician? >
no clark, presently I'm a LAN administrator... as a matter of fact I sold the last guitar I owned about 3 years ago... haven't worked professionaly as a performer since I was 19...
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html
Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:56:05 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: (NJC) Joni As Psychic Friend
I've tagged this NJC because it's really rather self-indulgent and doesn't
include anything that I would call actual JC ...
Days ago (I'm just reading stuff from 2/8), Marilyn wrote (in the "driving
with JC" thread):
> You see my life is nothing but ONE BIG JONI song! I think she follows me
> around or at least predicts my future!!!!!
I discovered Joni when I bought Hejira during in the spring of '77 when I was
in Air Force tech school in Mississippi. After graduating at the end of the
summer that year, my first assignment was Fortuna Air Force Station, North
Dakota (situated on some paprika plains just about 3 miles south of
Saskatchewan). For the next 22 months, I continued my life's struggle with my
emotions and feelings concerning women, while trying to prove to myself that I
was "normal" (you can figure out the details).
In June of '79, I said goodbye to my boyfriend Larry and left Fortuna in my VW
Beetle, bound for Phoenix, Arizona. I was about a month from turning 21. On
the way to Phoenix, I stopped in Manitou Springs, Colorado, to see a tech
school friend who was visiting her sister there. The sister had a party that
weekend, and invited just about every mountain woman in the vicinity. This
event turned my way of thinking inside out. To think that there might be
other women like me ...
In February of 1980 (on Valentine's Day, to be exact), I received my first
kiss from the woman who shortly thereafter became my first girlfriend.
Later, listening to Song for Sharon, these words jumped out at me:
"Sharon, I left my man
At a North Dakota junction"
Yep, I sure did. And ever since, I've felt like Joni had predicted my future!
Throughout the last 19 years, I've noticed many, many "Joni synchronicities,"
but I'll save them for another time.
Anyone else got a Psychic Joni tale to tell?
Lori
San Antonio
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:22:26 PST
From: "Teresa Ritzert"
Subject: [none]
Hmmmm, let's see if this makes it to y'all. I've sent several e-mails
that haven't made it to the digest...
...for Peter in the band requesting fave Joni spin I, oc course,
recommended 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter'.
Gosh, forgot what all I had to say to y'all...been a long week at
work...will send another when the grey cells begin to function again.
Oh, let's not rag on each other about how one states things...tolerence
leads to great understanding and friendship...can even deepen one's
soul.
Questions for the list are fine...might be fun.
be well one and all,
Resa in DC
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:17:13 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: (NJC) Pat , Coffeehouses, Beatniks and stuff
Pat wrote:
>I always watch these things with an eye for accuracy and, from what I've
seen in the previews, like >most of them, they jump right from the 'camelot'
era to straight to haight-ashbury and the >movements. it *all* started in
the coffeehouses!
Good point. I think a lot of the "baby boomers" who put together these 60s
retrospectives for TV and film may tend to attribute the "starting date" at
the point when *they* recall the birth of the movements. They rarely, if
ever, trace any roots to ideas from the 50s "beat" generation of poets,
artists and writers, who had the first seats in the coffeehouses. The beats
were perhaps not as activist but many of their concepts and ideas influenced
and paved the way for what came into full bloom in the 60s. Could it be
that the beats were considered too obscure as a group and that it wasn't
until Kennedy and other leaders championed (and therefore, sanctioned) new
ideals that it became more mainstream?
> in fact our particular coffeehouse was the actual birthing place of the
SDS and the infamous 'Port >Huron Statement' back in '62...
You've mentioned the SDS a few times here. At the point I learned about
them (around 1969) they seemed to have had a reputation for violence to
achieve their ends. (I actually had to do a term paper in Government class
in 1970 researching them!) My question (just out of curiousity) is whether
they initially were as "radical" as they came to be known later?
>and, lo and behold, at the end of the night, after my big finish of my last
set, the guy wanted to talk >to ME! he wanted me to sign a recording
contract and start making an album right away. well, I put >him off and
subsequently moved to detroit and got more involved in activism and sort of
forgot about >it, though I never could figure out how that just kind of fell
in my lap... (I mean, acts tour for years >without getting an offer like
that! I never auditioned for anyone or even sent out a demo tape!)
I also knew a few people in the old days who fell into a recording contract
in such an easy way. They were all very young at the time like you and all
ended up getting distracted by other things in their lives and not following
through on it. Part of that is youth and part of that is because we all
thought life went on forever back them! Pat, did you write your own songs?
Kakki
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:34:30 -0500
From: patrick leader
Subject: janis ian, jane siberry, cheryl wheeler and syd straw, (njc)
this week is the bottom line's 25th anniversary, tonight was the actual
night and the show was 'in their own words', with the artists i've listed.
just a great show.
i'm a giant fan of sib, but the others i'd just passed in the night. knew
janis from her couple of big hits, only really knew of wheeler and straw.
i'd say janis ian was the huge revelation. her voice is incredibly
powerful, she plays a mean blues guitar, she provided an imaginitive backup
to other songs (these people had not rehearsed before, i'm not sure they'd
all met). i will see janis ian live the next chance i get and my mates
will join me, we've agreed.
the format was each would do a song and then talk, with rita houston (of
wfuv?) moderating. it was kind of wacky and informal, and really fun. syd
straw is really a goofy person, though her songs (and vocals) were
powerful. syd had also brought a cellist, michelle kinney, who added
immeasurably to everyone's songs.
sib was, perhaps, the least comfortable with the format, but her musical
moments were stratospheric. she has been doing poems in her shows for a
while, and lately she has been taking parts of poems and planting them in
the middle of her songs, recombining material and taking it further and
further. into 'goodbye sweet pumpkinhead' she put a verse by an unreliable
lover. 'when once i was a sailor' was an extended drone, with the cellist,
janis and cheryl all adding beautifully to the musical stew.
they went in rounds, one person after the other. cheryl wheeler did a
beautiful ballad called 'the sylvia hotel' which is i guess in vancouver.
i first heard of her on this list so it was great to finally hear her.
she was a bawdy, earthy presence throughout the show as well.
when it came around to jane again, a 15-minute version of oh my my.
completely different from the album version, which is also very long.
complete musical drop-outs, whole verses of the song re-written as prose.
she had obviously put a lot of care into this version, but she stopped
after about 12 minutes and said 'i'm really going on too long, aren't i?'.
the crowd, out front and onstage gestured and she went on finishing the
trance.
poor syd straw could barely speak. she had to go next and just kept on
singing 'mama, mama' and wondering how she was going to follow jane.
the final round was covers, janis did a leadbelly song, cheryl did 'shower
the people you love with love', jane mangled but had fun with 'if you could
read my mind' and syd did a pretty darn cool peter blegvadt song.
sorry about the bandwidth, but this is a music-lovin crowd, no?
patrick, dying to see the brilliant patricia barber this weekend, too.
np - sib - maria
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