From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #75 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, February 12 1999 Volume 04 : Number 075 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC: Mystery jazz diva [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: JMDL entry ["Cupit, Greg" ] Re: Joni's #2 & #3 ["Cupit, Greg" ] Re: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off) [catman ] Re: NJC - once more without the typos (Patricia Barber) [Joseph Palis ] Re: Joni's guitar picking ["P. Henry" ] Re: NJC: Mystery jazz diva ["Steve Garrison" ] Re: DED and Mingus [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Joni's guitar picking [TerryM2442@aol.com] Tinky winky (seriously NJC) ["paul tyrer" ] Re: JMDL Entrance ["P. Henry" ] Re: JMDL Entrance ["P. Henry" ] Re: JMDL Entrance (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: public acceptance... (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Cholera [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: public acceptance... (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Reprise Interview Disc [RMuRocks@aol.com] Hejira Re-Master?? ["John Wasak" ] Re: Hejira Re-Master?? ["Don Rowe" ] Tears Of Stone Contest [Wally Breese ] Re: Tinky-Winky ["bern.gallagher" ] Fw: NJCTT (which stands fortele-tubby! Although I think NJC is enough all by its lonesome.) ["bern.gallagher" ] Re: Blue's Clues - JC parody [RMuRocks@aol.com] Valentine's Day show [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Joniart attached [Bounced Message ] NJC - Re: Attachments [Les Irvin ] Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance [Ginamu@aol.com] Metheny/Joni thread [The Humphreys ] Re: Favorite Albums [The Humphreys ] Long: Audiophile's Corner: JM fails ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Joni's guitar picking ["P. Henry" ] (NJC) Joni As Psychic Friend [LRFye@aol.com] [none] ["Teresa Ritzert" ] Re: (NJC) Pat , Coffeehouses, Beatniks and stuff ["Kakki" Subject: NJC: Mystery jazz diva Calling all you jazzophiles out there -- I caught a glimpse of last year's Newport Jazz Fest on TV recently, and I was positively blown away by a 20-ish blonde woman who sings with a wonderfully smokey voice and sultry nuance, and she's got the chops of someone three times her age. She also plays piano. Can't remember the standards she played or her name. Anybody know who I'm talking about? Thanks for your help! Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:51:49 +1100 From: "Cupit, Greg" Subject: Re: JMDL entry Since it seems that Paul I's response to my SIQUOMB query seems to have started all this, I'd just like to point out following some of the suggestions regarding checking out the Joni website, that I don't have internet access on my system at present. I have e-mail access and hence I participate in this list, but it's only on the sly on someone else's computer in the council chambers that I can peek at the Joni site for short time periods. There seem to be lots of little idiosyncratic things that are a bit mysterious to us new kids on the block which probably would not all get covered in a FAQ sheet or quiz, and I think it could all get a bit elitist and discourage younger people from learning about Joni and her music. Let's encourage fresh curiosity, not stifle it with embarassing or humiliating processes. Thanks to all who replied and relieved my Siquombfusion. Any news on the TI & TTT painting titles. I wait with baited breath...... Eric T. Yeah, Pat Metheny's The Roots Of Coincidence does some funny things to me. Sections of it send goosebumps all over me. The juxtaposition of those amazing mood changes is very sweet... I tremble at the knees. I have a friend who runs the Island Cafe here in Hobart and he's a huge Pat fan as well as Peter Gabriel, Bruce Cockburn and recently Joni amongst many others. Anyway, after the doors are closed we often turn Coincidence up full bore and shake the cobwebs out of the cafe. The full Pat collection is often playing in the background in the cafe and it's great to hear Hejira and S & L more often now. He's only a young guy and it's interesting to hear his fresh enthusiasm as a new listener to Joni. Any JMDLers also interested in fellow Canadian Bruce Cockburn? Also someone with a great way with words. Great painterly technique with scene creation in his lyrics as well as some forceful political statements and mystical musings. I'd love to hear a Bruce/Joni duo........ Tassie Greg Vision without action is merely a dream Action without vision just passes the time Vision with action changes the world. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:31:21 +1100 From: "Cupit, Greg" Subject: Re: Joni's #2 & #3 Peter De Baets wrote: <> And Eric responded: Now I'm confessing: TTT is taking a long time to really grow on me. I'm going to stick my neck out in this Joni-adoring forum and say that I was initially disappointed with it when I first heard it. I'd even go so far as to say that I think it's not quite up to Joni's usually high standards. It seems to lack something really special that previous albums have. There are about 3 tracks I really like (Crazy Cries, Best to You, , but some others feel a bit throw away!! I think a recent interview mentioned how she had been getting bored with making music lately. I think there's a certain lack of passion with TTT that creeps through it. Lyrically, it doesn't have the depth of her other work. (I've not read any sort of critical comment on this list yet, so I hope I'm not going to be booed off the list for being way outta line.) One of the reasons I reckon Hejira is so good is because of Jaco Pastorius' lush bass playing. It meshes and flows with Joni's guitar playing exquisitely. My #2 & 3's are probably between S & L, DED (Ethiopia used to bring me to tears), TI, NRH & WTRF. A critical Taswegian Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:29:12 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off) Gary Glitter is in court charged with child sexual abuse and keeping child porn. He was arrested last year. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:09:02 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: NJC: Mystery jazz diva On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Kate Tarasenko wrote: > I caught a glimpse of last year's Newport Jazz Fest on TV recently, and > I was positively blown away by a 20-ish blonde woman who sings with a > wonderfully smokey voice and sultry nuance, and she's got the chops of > someone three times her age. She also plays piano. Can't remember the > standards she played or her name. Anybody know who I'm talking about? > Thanks for your help! I have not watched the Newport Jazzfest but if she is blonde and possesses the smokey-est of voice this side of Cassandra Wilson and plays the piano awfully well, then she must be the Canadian jazz diva Diana Krall. She was often compared to Shirley Horn and Carmen McRae and her piano-playing is just as refined and great. She released four albums to date. STEPPING OUT is a great album and better than they said it was. ONLY TRUST YOUR HEART gained from the masterful appearance of Grover Washington. ALL FOR YOU is a tribute to the piano and vocal artistry of Nat King Cole, while LOVE SCENES simply reminded you why she is THAT great. Joseph (who hopes he is not sure) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:11:17 +0800 (PST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: NJC - once more without the typos (Patricia Barber) On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Les Irvin wrote: > > on Patricia Barber the San Francisco Bay Guardian wrote: > "...part Billie Holiday, part Joni Mitchell - as captivating as anything > emerging in jazz in this decade." I agree. She is very avant-garde, too, yes? Her album CAFE BLUE has got to be one of the greatest statements in jazz vocal ever. Approximates Urszula Dudziak's fine musicianship and by extension Diamanda Galas' quirkiness. Joseph (who considers Janis Siegel the best singer alive in the world today) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:05:38 -0000 From: "Steve Powell" Subject: DED and Mingus Don, Bob, Lauri, I confess that I never gave these two a fair hearing. They weren't the Joni I was expecting & hoping for so I shelved them. Today I listened to both again in the light of excellent advice from you guys. I really enjoyed DED, superb production & sound quality etc. I remember thinking originally that the message had overtaken the music, that Joni was preaching with powerful words but an absence of musical content to carry them, (back to the tune/melody debate?). I agree Don that on an intellectual level Tax Free and Fiction pack more protest punches than Big Yellow Taxi, but which of those three do you think will be the most enduring song? On the subject of protest songs I read a scathing review of "Ethiopia" by a critic who resented it being written by someone who rarely leaves the comfort of a Bel-Air mansion, a sort of "White men can't sing the blues" beef, and I admit to preferring her work on more personal themes based on her own experiences, loves & relationships etc. Mingus is much more an album for "jazzophiles". I know Charlie Mingus was a great musician because so many people say so, just as Beethoven was obviously a genius, but I don't listen much to either. I can only assume that my musical taste or sensitivity is not developed or advanced enough for that level of complexity. However I did enjoy Mingus more than I expected this time, particularly A Chair In The Sky & Sweet Sucker Dance, so perhaps there is hope for me yet? Anyway, good talking to you, & if Greg Luke read this I definitely agree with you, jargon & cliquism turn lots of people off. Thought for the day "Did Dr Henry Higgins treating everyone coldly make it ok?" :-) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:37:58 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: >Do you still have that guitar? unfortunately smashed by the x... Do you have recordings from that time? I'd give my right arm... I don't even have the 'second fret tape' that everybody else seems to have... from what I've heard, if I did have one it would be about the same... Did you ever hear Joni play the Uke? no... Did you think she was going to be as famous as she became? to be honest, at 17 I don't think I could really fathom her greatness... all I knew is that *I* thought she was the greatest thing since sliced bread and that I just sort of floated away every one of the 50 or so times I heard her play live... I wrote about this before, but a big clue as to her future fame was the fact that we had regular visits from record company agents trying to get backstage to see her whom she would not even talk to... actually she spent a year or two knocking around the circuit when she could've been riding in her limo if she would only have compromised with the record companies... *L* that battle has been going on for a loooonnggg time! I'm sure the list would love to know the answers to some of these questions. I dunno... oddly I've written quite a lot of long historical accounts of events and facts that I'm aware of and they don't seem to raise much interest... I certainly appreciate yours. *S* pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:43:13 -0500 From: "Steve Garrison" Subject: Re: NJC: Mystery jazz diva Did her trio include a fabulous arch-top guitarist named Russell Malone? Then it was surely Diana Krall. Malone is a true artist, and my favorite member of the trio. - ---------- >> I caught a glimpse of last year's Newport Jazz Fest on TV recently, and >> I was positively blown away by a 20-ish blonde woman who sings with a >> wonderfully smokey voice and sultry nuance, and she's got the chops of >> someone three times her age. > I have not watched the Newport Jazzfest but if she is blonde and possesses > the smokey-est of voice this side of Cassandra Wilson and plays the piano > awfully well, then she must be the Canadian jazz diva Diana Krall. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:20:24 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: DED and Mingus In a message dated 2/12/99 5:34:53 AM Central Standard Time, S- P@dude25.freeserve.co.uk writes: << On the subject of protest songs I read a scathing review of "Ethiopia" by a critic who resented it being written by someone who rarely leaves the comfort of a Bel-Air mansion, a sort of "White men can't sing the blues" beef, and I admit to preferring her work on more personal themes based on her own experiences, loves & relationships etc. >> This is certainly a stupid point of view for a critic to take...like Joni has to do time in the Magdalene Laundries to write about it? Like she has to starve to write about the injustices of Ethiopia? Most artists I care about who make movies, write songs, paint, whatever, are quick to see injustice and just as quick to react...to imply we can't be comfortable and have compassion for the uncomfortable is ludicrous... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:28:59 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking In a message dated 2/11/99 4:12:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << It also seems to me that Joni's modern guitar style is pared down, that what she does now is a kind of combination of strumming and picking. >> Could the change, in part, be related to the use of the VG? With an acoustic, every string plucked rings like a bell, but I think there's a muffling effect when she plugs in. Maybe she's had to change her picking style accordingly. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:28:50 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: Tinky winky (seriously NJC) Hi everyone Here in Manchester, UK, we have a fantastic 'Lesbian & Gay Village' - 40 of the trendiest bars, restaurants and clubs you can imagine all packed into a delightful canalside, tree-lined area. (Worth a visit if you're oop north). Anyway, Velvet, one of the most fabtastic gay bars, has miniature TVs above the men's urinals (I kid you not). And when I went in there yesterday, after a particularly busy drinking session, the TELLYTUBBIES WERE ON TV! What more proof does Jerry need? Needless to say, some joker said, "that's not the first tinky-winky I've seen in here tonight!" PX PS the other TT names are Laalaa (like Jerry?), Po (no comment) and Dipsy (there was a big storm here in the UK when it was revealed that Dipsy was supposed to be black! So much for US embarrassment!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:49:10 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: JMDL Entrance luke wrote: (emph. added) < May I just add that I think the comment made about a JMDL entrance exam was pretty rude. ***God forbid that listmembers take time out of the all-important Teletubbies discussion to answer a Joni-related question.*** Many of us have been fans for years and never known what SIQUOMB stands for... ***I'm just glad I didn't ask and be practically laughed off the list. I'd say that when the conversation drifts so far over to the NJC side, any Joni question is a good question.*** > touche' and amen!!! *BG* pat NP - "Oh Linda" - Lightfoot http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:54:52 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: JMDL Entrance luke also wrote: < but this group of people can and sometimes does snub others, especially new listers. When someone can go on for pages about sexual orientation and religion, I'm sure a few lines dedicated to the definition of SIQUOMB wouldn't hurt. > ...and amen!!! pat NP - "The Way I Feel" - Lightfoot http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:32:11 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: JMDL Entrance (NJC) P. Henry wrote: > luke also wrote: > > < but this group of people can and sometimes does snub others, especially new listers. When someone can go on for pages about sexual orientation and religion, I'm sure a few lines dedicated to the definition of SIQUOMB wouldn't hurt. > > > ...and amen!!! > Even though this definitely is the mostly-asked question in Joniland, so far everybody who posed it to the list got at least one nice and encouraging answer. It follows that there are plenty of people willing to be helpful here, and as long as that is the case, a JMDL-Entrance test or something similar is rather redundant. I agree it would make a very elitist and stuck-up impression, and that I'd very much like to avoid. Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:33:40 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: "The question isn't whether I treat you badly, but whether you've > seen me treat anyone else better." > LOL > Paul I This made me chuckle. Paul, do you also treat a duchess like a flower girl? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:49:03 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off) Vanessa -- you GO GIRL! As an old Uriah Heep, Mighty Zep (talk about a band that changed R&R!), Deep Purple fan, I have to tip my leather beret to you for this insightful comment ... >Just for fun listen to any old metal band. With their rolling bass >lines, pounding drumbeats, ripping guitar sounds and soaring vocals >they really create anthems that make your blood race and want to >conquer the world. When you get right down to it ... is there any "real" substitute for "Made In Japan"? I think not ... most of today's "shock & glam" acts can't even park their car next to it! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:02:32 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off) Don Rowe wrote: > >Just for fun listen to any old metal band. With their rolling bass > >lines, pounding drumbeats, ripping guitar sounds and soaring vocals > >they really create anthems that make your blood race and want to > >conquer the world. > > When you get right down to it ... is there any "real" substitute for > "Made In Japan"? I think not ... most of today's "shock & glam" acts > can't even park their car next to it! > If Marilyn Mansion et al. parked their car next to mine, I'd leave it right there and buy a new one! Winfried, obviously a *huge* "shock & glam" fan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:26:13 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Shock and glam (NJC) I just want to say that the new Marilyn Manson album is pretty decent, though I hated his older stuff (especially the cover of "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)." Furthermore, I think putting the fun back into rock and roll is a perhaps unoriginal but nonetheless 100% admirable goal. Whether he succeeds or not is another question entirely. I prefer Sleater-Kinney or the Beasties for my fun. Anyhoo, I'm currently trying to figure out how I can make the Marilyn Manson/Hole concert here in DC and go on my planned SoCal trip, which currently conflict with each other. May the most fun choice win. :-) - --Michael NP: TLC, _CrazySexyCool_ - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sometimes I'm goody goody Right now I'm naughty naughty - --Aaliyah, "Are You That Somebody?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:41:23 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: public acceptance... (NJC) In a message dated 09/02/99 00:32:21, LRFye@AOL.COM writes: << NP: Shawn Colvin's version of Satin Sheets ("Praise the Lord and pass the mescaline ...") >> Hallelujah to that! One of my fave lines in any song. And doesn't Shawn sing and play it beautifully? Azeem, looking forward to a gig this evening by the divine Christine Collister - - and it's actually within walking distance of my flat for once! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:41:36 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Cholera In a message dated 11/02/99 01:49:37, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << I just figured Azeem was having a bad day. >> By sheer chance, I've not had the time to post in the last few days, so I thought I'd better confirm that I haven't got cholera - and thank you all for your concern!! Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:58:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: public acceptance... (NJC) AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 09/02/99 00:32:21, LRFye@AOL.COM writes: > > << NP: Shawn Colvin's version of Satin Sheets ("Praise the Lord and pass the > mescaline ...") >> > Hallelujah to that! One of my fave lines in any song. And doesn't Shawn sing > and play it beautifully? And, Please, no more therapy, Momma, take care of me. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:15:45 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking In a message dated 2/12/99 7:40:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << I dunno... oddly I've written quite a lot of long historical accounts of events and facts that I'm aware of and they don't seem to raise much interest... I certainly appreciate yours. *S* pat >> Pat, Your reponses like this are read with interest. I'm just not sure they leave much room for follow-up questions or speculative commentary, which is what many of us excel at. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:07:03 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance In a message dated 2/12/99 9:34:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark-n- travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: "The question isn't whether I treat you badly, but whether you've > seen me treat anyone else better." > LOL > Paul I This made me chuckle. Paul, do you also treat a duchess like a flower girl? Mark in Seattle>> Sure. I have no use for royalty. Though maybe some day I'll meet a flower girl I can treat like a duchess. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:51:44 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Free at Last! Free at Last! (NJC) Thank God Almighty, we are free at last from this whole impeachment thing. I absolutley LOVE MSNBC's final blurb on Monica ... "First job out of college goes wildly awry ..." kind of like saying "Titanic dinghy sinks in millpond." Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:57:20 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Reprise Interview Disc Yippee! I finally got a response to an E-mail I sent in *November* to the local NPR station in N.C. I offered to make a contribution to their winter fund-raiser for a copy of Reprise's Interview Disc with Joni (the one with the painting of her paddling a canoe on the cover). I had forgotten about it when out of the blue, the program director mailed me back to say that, yes, he had the disc and yes, he'd be glad to trade it for a contribution. Cool! I'll post again when I get it, I assume some of you have the disc, I am also assuming it *hasn't* made it to a Tree yet... On another subject, this week I was driving to work this week with my CD changer in random mode, when "The Arrangement" came on - I had heard the song a couple hundred times before, but all of a sudden the words just really spoke to me - "You could have been more Than a name on the door On the thirty-third floor in the air More than a consumer Lying in some room trying to die More than a credit card Swimming pool in the backyard..." Not that I feel I lead a wasted life or anything, but this just inspired me to keep on striving to be more than another face in the crowd. One of the hallmarks of Joni's music, for me, is the ability of these songs to speak to me at so many different stages of my life. Plus, with The Arrangement, you feel like you're listening to the seed that would later blossom in HOSL. Just a mini-experience I wanted to share with folks who can understand... Bob NP: Lauryn Hill, "Ex-factor" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:53:29 -0500 From: "John Wasak" Subject: Hejira Re-Master?? I just picked up the re-master (HDCD) of Hejira today. The thing that caught my eye immediately was that only three of the tracks have the same timings. All the others on the re-master are different, some by quite a bit. For example, the older CD times the song "Hejira" at 6:35 while the HDCD has a timing of 6:42. Could anyone explain why the timings of the songs are different? Perplexed, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:29:24 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Hejira Re-Master?? John writes ... >I just picked up the re-master (HDCD) of Hejira today. The thing that >caught my eye immediately was that only three of the tracks have the >same timings. All the others on the re-master are different, some by >quite a bit. For example, the older CD times the song "Hejira" at >6:35 while the HDCD has a timing of 6:42. Could anyone explain why >the timings of the songs are different? I'm almost ashamed to admit I never even noticed this ... but I do have what may be an explanation. It probably has to do with the "Index marking", or the process by which the cd player 'recognizes' the beginning and end point of the tracks. The original CD might have had that mark programmed at the point where the songs start, rather than including any few seconds of silence before and/or after. To test this, skip to a track and see if there are silences before and after the song ... my guess is that this will account for the "extra" time. Don Rowe (who no longer has an original 'Hejira' CD for comparison ...) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 99 11:59:47 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Tears Of Stone Contest TEARS OF STONE CONTEST- (2/12/99) RCA Victor is proud to announce the release of The Chieftains Tears of Stone. The multi-Grammy award winning Irish musicians have put together a collection of songs featuring female artists from a cross-section of musical genres. The artists featured include Mary Chapin Carpenter, The Corrs, Diana Krall, Loreena McKennitt, Natalie Merchant, Sinead O'Connor, Joan Osborne, Bonnie Raitt, Sissel and Joni Mitchell. To celebrate this groundbreaking release, RCA Victor is giving fans a chance to win a copy of Tears of Stone before it arrives in stores on February 23rd. Enter to win at this address: http://www.bmgclassics.com/irish/chieftains/tearsofstone/ Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Subject: Re: Tinky-Winky > In a message dated 2/11/99 1:18:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, > bern.gallagher@cwix.com writes: > > << If you think about it, > they all COULD be gay. After all...they're teletubbies! > I actually watched the show twice and, to my horror, the > second show was a repeat of the one I'd already seen! > Time for teletubby bye-bye! >> > > Or each different color teletubbie could indicate a different gender and they > ALL have to get together in one big happy rainbow to reproduce enough little > teletubbies for next season. > ;>) > Paul I THAT is a very scary concept! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:48:08 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Subject: Fw: NJCTT (which stands fortele-tubby! Although I think NJC is enough all by its lonesome.) > I wrote: > > >The actor who played Tinky-Winky, that is, the guy who > > >had the balls to get in that stupid suit > > Tube wrote: > > You mean to say that there are people inside them? > > > > Tube > > And I, assuming this is a joke, tremble inside at the scary > possibilities of this NON-JONI CONTENT thread. > Hey Tube, great handle, but I hope there is no-one > inside that vacuum-claner monster with the googelly > eyes! The tubbies, though, are real people. > Can you imagine trying to make La-La dance > with a ball without someone guiding the movements > of the suit? A fearsome enterprise, indeed. > I'm surprized no-one has mentioned the incredibly > frightening Baby-Sun. Thank god my nephew likes > Blue's Clues! > > Hope everyone is well today in Joni-Land. > I've only been here for six months or so, and I'm > starting to feel like an old-timer! And my typing skills > have been drastically improved, thanks to all the > stimulating stuff that sets me off into an exclamation > and doesn't let me go until I have lustily pegged out > my post. I'd just like to say thank you to all the > great personalities on this list! It's been a great ride > and I hope it isn't anywhere near over! :-) > > But please no parody of Blues Clues! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Subject: Blue's Clues - JC parody OK, in order to pre-empt my fear, I'm taking a stab at this. This is my first time, and I'm scared Blue (parody) Blue Clues are like tatoos You know I've seen this paw before Crown and anchor it Get in your thinking chair! Hey, Blue Here is a clue for you To put in your show Your friend Steve's a dweeb An empty space to fill in Well there's so many watching now You gotta keep thinking You can spot out all those paws Dipsy, La-La, and Poe Tiny-Winky's bag The ratings are bad. The ratings are bad. Hey, Blue Here is a song for you Inside you'll here a sigh Teletubbies say good-bye Where is the B B C? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:46:25 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue's Clues - JC parody In a message dated 2/12/99 3:05:39 PM Central Standard Time, bern.gallagher@cwix.com writes: << Hey, Blue Here is a song for you Inside you'll here a sigh Teletubbies say good-bye Where is the B B C? >> Bern, Great Job! The first one is always the toughest!! Looking forward to the next one. (Of course, I probably would've got more yuks out of it if I was a "Blues Clues fan)... Bob NP: Brian Setzer "Sleepwalk" great twangy guitar... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:55:53 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Valentine's Day show I was off work today, and went to my son's school to have lunch with him...our lunch also had a floor show, a performance of some of the kids lip-synching to songs. I was amused when the songs they did, with cheesy choreography, were "My Girl", "Wishin' & Hopin'" & "The Shoop Shoop Song (It's in his kiss)". I commented after the songs were done to the kids at the lunch table "These songs are all well over 30 years old - why don't y'all do some songs that are popular *NOW*? Two kids were quick to answer "Because our music sucks!" I laughed and said "That's not entirely true, it's just that they don't want you hear the good stuff...it's out there, you have to search it out." Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:34:43 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Joniart attached Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:27:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote That's funny (see below), we su.bscribe to another list through majordomo and get attachments all the time. In any case, if anyone wants to see the art in question, email me and I'll send it to you. Randy Bounced Message wrote: > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:51:10 -0800 > From: Randy Remote > > philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > > > California Steve wrote: > > >Also, another clue to "Cold Blue Steel" being about JT is the fact > > >that in the FTR songbook she has the lyrics facing a memorable > > >painting of JT. > > > > Steve, > > My copy of FTR shows the song facing a painting of a nurse > > shooting up. > > I had to check.... at first I thought; huh? shooting up? yeah, right... > but the more I look at it the more I'm NOT sure... what do the rest of > you think? > I've attached a scan of the felt tip drawing in question. > RR > > (Note from the bouncer: sorry, attachments never make it through the > majordomo system...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:02:44 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - Re: Attachments At 04:34 PM 2/12/99 , Randy Remote wrote: >That's funny (see below), we su.bscribe to another list through majordomo and >get attachments all the time. Randy et al - Majordomo has many different settings that administrators can tweak. The people at Smoe have set their system to bounce attachments, presumably a disk-space saving trade-off for the free use of their system. Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:18:40 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kelly/JMDL Entrance In a message dated 2/12/99 12:12:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: > The point I was trying to make is that if you read the info on the web pages, > you'll find it easily. The "exam" would merely be a clever way to use links > to > show new people that the answers to MOST of their questions can be found in > the information already provided. > It is not an attempt to embarrass new people or disqualify those who are > only > casual Joni fans. > Paul I > It takes a few seconds for someone to respond to a Joni question by a new list member. Besides, it's a nice, welcoming gesture, as well. Gina NP: Fresh Air interview with Julia Sweeney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:40:37 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Metheny/Joni thread I ahve a little story, or memory nugget, to share regarding Pat Metheny Group and Joni. I had a boyfriend in college who was/is a Metheny head as I was/am a major Joni head. He talked me into going to a PMG concert one weekend. It, of course, didn't take much talking into as I had been visiting the music for awhile and found it astonishing. I must preface the next piece of the story by saying at the time I paid little attention to the musicians backing on albums. So, we were driving home after this jaw dropping, mind blowing, 3 hour, no break experience, when I quietly started humming a favorite Joni tune. At the same moment, my boyfriend began humming a Pat tune. We laughed and I said, "Wouldn't it be incredible if those two ever got together!!!(Listers, please pardon my youthful ignorance :-)) Well, about a week later, I actually read the S&L credits and Lo and Behold!!! I then ran over to my boyfriend's classroom, stating some emergency that beckoned him out of class, and needless to say we spent the next 2 days in Joni/Pat bliss! (I have to add that Lyle is my fav!). Suzanne NP: Offramp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:54:23 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Re: Favorite Albums To add to the confusion, my utmost pick for favorite Joni album is unquestionably FTR. I guess this just goes to show how personally she can affect each and every one of us. I do agree that Hejira is also exceptional. I find trying to decide between the two a bit like the old apples and oranges cliche. They musically demonstrate to very different styles within Joni's context as well as transporting the listener to a different emotional plane. I find them equally haunting and engaging, yet still return the FTR time and again. Suzanne NP: still listening to Offramp ( fantasizing about Lyle....IMD's) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:16:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Long: Audiophile's Corner: JM fails Hello cousins, Today in Audiophile's Corner: "Why Joni Failed As A Leader of The World Music Movement." Joni has been using rhythmns from Africa for a long time. So why didn't the critics fall at her feet when "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" come out? Why were Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon lauded for their work which covered some of the same ground? Was it just a matter of rock/pop being a "boys club"? Last night I listened to Simon's "Graceland" and especially enjoyed "Diamonds On the Soles of Her Shoes". He had Lady Black Mombazo (Spelling error?) singing background and the voices were clear, very clear. Mr. Simon's engineer has clearly done some nice work in getting everything just right. There were no microphones overloading. Besides being a nice, very nice track it was also superficially beautiful. Tonight I put on "So" by Peter Gabriel. Again, the artist *brought musicians into* the production and recorded them well. Again, besides being a nice, very nice track it was also superficially beautiful. What did Joni do when she found "a Bo Diddly figure" and decided to use it in her musical collage? She didn't call up Bo and get him into the studio. She didn't get out of LA and go to Africa and record those drummers. She just sampled it. I'm talking about the drums on "The Jungle Line" on the Hissing Of Summer Lawns album. I'm no engineer but I'm pretty sure that the drums sound shitty because they weren't recorded right. It's too bad she didn't re-record it because what she *did* with is really inventive. I love the Jungle Line. Where she fails is she failed to give us an African drum choir that is superficially beautiful. And on "Taming The Tiger" she did it again. The very first track has that VG-8 sound of a steel drum that is distorted. It sounds like it went through an overloaded *phone line* before it was recorded. I love that track; I really do. I just wish she had recorded it better so we wouldn't have to listen through the sludge. The new album is so harsh that even a cassette copy of the album [:D] sounds glassy. It's not the tape, it's the recording. So please Joni, hire an engineer next time! And a fussy one! - -- Read me or delete me but don't try to shut me up, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:33:32 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking clark wrote: >Thanks, Pat. I actually have thought there might be a movie script in that whole period of Joni's life. That era of the folkies is ripe to be revisited.> ripe indeed! the 60's hippie thing is mainly what's remembered but few people recall the 'folk boom' that went on in '64-'65 when there were *two* prime time network live folk concert shows on tv every week... in '66 when I came to be involved with the Cellar there were no hippies... no drugs... but the coffeehouses of the circuit were, as you say, ripe with the dramatic idealism that came to characterize those times... speaking of movies, they're showing 'the '60's' tomorrow night (out here we get our tv a week late) and I always watch these things with an eye for accuracy and, from what I've seen in the previews, like most of them, they jump right from the 'camelot' era to straight to haight-ashbury and the movements. it *all* started in the coffeehouses! in fact our particular coffeehouse was the actual birthing place of the SDS and the infamous 'Port Huron Statement' back in '62... (here's an excerpt... check this out: "We are the people of this generation, bred in at least modest comfort, housed now in the universities, looking uncomfortably to the world we inherit. When we were kids the United States was the wealthiest and strongest country in the world; the only one with the atom bomb, the least scarred by modern war, an initiator of the United Nations that we thought would distribute Western influence throughout the world. Freedom and equality for each individual, government of, by, and for the people-these American values we found good, principles by which we could live as men. Many of us began maturing in complacency. As we grew, however, our comfort was penetrated by events too troubling to dismiss. First, the permeating and victimizing fact of human degradation, symbolized by the Southern struggle against racial bigotry, compelled most of us from silence to activism. Second, the enclosing fact of the Cold War, symbolized by the presence of the Bomb, brought awareness that we ourselves, and our friends, and millions of abstract "others" we knew more directly because of our common peril, might die at any time. We might deliberately ignore, or avoid or fail to feel all other human problems, but not these two, for these were too immediate and crushing in their impact, too challenging in the demand that we as individuals take the responsibility for encounter and resolution." ...also, many of the '60's bands, like the Airplane, the Dead and the Byrds, were folk groups gone electric. here's another story for you: (also one I've written to the list before...) just prior to my leaving the Cellar I played a weekend as the default 'house performer'... (meaning we had no outside acts booked and I was the featured act) I was really getting good and was at my peak of performing ability. as I mentioned there were record company agents constantly coming there on 'Joni weekends' whom she refused to see... well, this weekend one showed up, in his 3-piece suit which stuck out among the turtlenecks like a sore thumb, and, lo and behold, at the end of the night, after my big finish of my last set, the guy wanted to talk to ME! he wanted me to sign a recording contract and start making an album right away. well, I put him off and subsequently moved to detroit and got more involved in activism and sort of forgot about it, though I never could figure out how that just kind of fell in my lap... (I mean, acts tour for years without getting an offer like that! I never auditioned for anyone or even sent out a demo tape!) until it finally dawned on me a year of so later after STAS came out... it was Joni! it had to be! there's no other explanation possible... this guy came all the way from chicago! oh well, guess I've rambled enough. take care. *S* pat ps - < ...Just wondering what you do for a living now. Are you still a musician? > no clark, presently I'm a LAN administrator... as a matter of fact I sold the last guitar I owned about 3 years ago... haven't worked professionaly as a performer since I was 19... http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:56:05 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: (NJC) Joni As Psychic Friend I've tagged this NJC because it's really rather self-indulgent and doesn't include anything that I would call actual JC ... Days ago (I'm just reading stuff from 2/8), Marilyn wrote (in the "driving with JC" thread): > You see my life is nothing but ONE BIG JONI song! I think she follows me > around or at least predicts my future!!!!! I discovered Joni when I bought Hejira during in the spring of '77 when I was in Air Force tech school in Mississippi. After graduating at the end of the summer that year, my first assignment was Fortuna Air Force Station, North Dakota (situated on some paprika plains just about 3 miles south of Saskatchewan). For the next 22 months, I continued my life's struggle with my emotions and feelings concerning women, while trying to prove to myself that I was "normal" (you can figure out the details). In June of '79, I said goodbye to my boyfriend Larry and left Fortuna in my VW Beetle, bound for Phoenix, Arizona. I was about a month from turning 21. On the way to Phoenix, I stopped in Manitou Springs, Colorado, to see a tech school friend who was visiting her sister there. The sister had a party that weekend, and invited just about every mountain woman in the vicinity. This event turned my way of thinking inside out. To think that there might be other women like me ... In February of 1980 (on Valentine's Day, to be exact), I received my first kiss from the woman who shortly thereafter became my first girlfriend. Later, listening to Song for Sharon, these words jumped out at me: "Sharon, I left my man At a North Dakota junction" Yep, I sure did. And ever since, I've felt like Joni had predicted my future! Throughout the last 19 years, I've noticed many, many "Joni synchronicities," but I'll save them for another time. Anyone else got a Psychic Joni tale to tell? Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:22:26 PST From: "Teresa Ritzert" Subject: [none] Hmmmm, let's see if this makes it to y'all. I've sent several e-mails that haven't made it to the digest... ...for Peter in the band requesting fave Joni spin I, oc course, recommended 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter'. Gosh, forgot what all I had to say to y'all...been a long week at work...will send another when the grey cells begin to function again. Oh, let's not rag on each other about how one states things...tolerence leads to great understanding and friendship...can even deepen one's soul. Questions for the list are fine...might be fun. be well one and all, Resa in DC ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:17:13 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Pat , Coffeehouses, Beatniks and stuff Pat wrote: >I always watch these things with an eye for accuracy and, from what I've seen in the previews, like >most of them, they jump right from the 'camelot' era to straight to haight-ashbury and the >movements. it *all* started in the coffeehouses! Good point. I think a lot of the "baby boomers" who put together these 60s retrospectives for TV and film may tend to attribute the "starting date" at the point when *they* recall the birth of the movements. They rarely, if ever, trace any roots to ideas from the 50s "beat" generation of poets, artists and writers, who had the first seats in the coffeehouses. The beats were perhaps not as activist but many of their concepts and ideas influenced and paved the way for what came into full bloom in the 60s. Could it be that the beats were considered too obscure as a group and that it wasn't until Kennedy and other leaders championed (and therefore, sanctioned) new ideals that it became more mainstream? > in fact our particular coffeehouse was the actual birthing place of the SDS and the infamous 'Port >Huron Statement' back in '62... You've mentioned the SDS a few times here. At the point I learned about them (around 1969) they seemed to have had a reputation for violence to achieve their ends. (I actually had to do a term paper in Government class in 1970 researching them!) My question (just out of curiousity) is whether they initially were as "radical" as they came to be known later? >and, lo and behold, at the end of the night, after my big finish of my last set, the guy wanted to talk >to ME! he wanted me to sign a recording contract and start making an album right away. well, I put >him off and subsequently moved to detroit and got more involved in activism and sort of forgot about >it, though I never could figure out how that just kind of fell in my lap... (I mean, acts tour for years >without getting an offer like that! I never auditioned for anyone or even sent out a demo tape!) I also knew a few people in the old days who fell into a recording contract in such an easy way. They were all very young at the time like you and all ended up getting distracted by other things in their lives and not following through on it. Part of that is youth and part of that is because we all thought life went on forever back them! Pat, did you write your own songs? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:34:30 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: janis ian, jane siberry, cheryl wheeler and syd straw, (njc) this week is the bottom line's 25th anniversary, tonight was the actual night and the show was 'in their own words', with the artists i've listed. just a great show. i'm a giant fan of sib, but the others i'd just passed in the night. knew janis from her couple of big hits, only really knew of wheeler and straw. i'd say janis ian was the huge revelation. her voice is incredibly powerful, she plays a mean blues guitar, she provided an imaginitive backup to other songs (these people had not rehearsed before, i'm not sure they'd all met). i will see janis ian live the next chance i get and my mates will join me, we've agreed. the format was each would do a song and then talk, with rita houston (of wfuv?) moderating. it was kind of wacky and informal, and really fun. syd straw is really a goofy person, though her songs (and vocals) were powerful. syd had also brought a cellist, michelle kinney, who added immeasurably to everyone's songs. sib was, perhaps, the least comfortable with the format, but her musical moments were stratospheric. she has been doing poems in her shows for a while, and lately she has been taking parts of poems and planting them in the middle of her songs, recombining material and taking it further and further. into 'goodbye sweet pumpkinhead' she put a verse by an unreliable lover. 'when once i was a sailor' was an extended drone, with the cellist, janis and cheryl all adding beautifully to the musical stew. they went in rounds, one person after the other. cheryl wheeler did a beautiful ballad called 'the sylvia hotel' which is i guess in vancouver. i first heard of her on this list so it was great to finally hear her. she was a bawdy, earthy presence throughout the show as well. when it came around to jane again, a 15-minute version of oh my my. completely different from the album version, which is also very long. complete musical drop-outs, whole verses of the song re-written as prose. she had obviously put a lot of care into this version, but she stopped after about 12 minutes and said 'i'm really going on too long, aren't i?'. the crowd, out front and onstage gestured and she went on finishing the trance. poor syd straw could barely speak. she had to go next and just kept on singing 'mama, mama' and wondering how she was going to follow jane. the final round was covers, janis did a leadbelly song, cheryl did 'shower the people you love with love', jane mangled but had fun with 'if you could read my mind' and syd did a pretty darn cool peter blegvadt song. sorry about the bandwidth, but this is a music-lovin crowd, no? patrick, dying to see the brilliant patricia barber this weekend, too. np - sib - maria ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #75 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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