From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 04 : Number 073 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Mingus Album Cover Painting [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)] Re: Joni's guitar picking [M.Russell@iaea.org] TI Painting titles ["Cupit, Greg" ] Joni's guitar picking ["P. Henry" ] Re: Tinky-Winky [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni comparisons [Peter De Baets ] Re: Joni's guitar picking ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni's Guitar picking ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni's Guitar picking [Howard Wright ] Re: Joni's Guitar picking [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni comparisons [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Jerry backs down! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #72 ["Tube" ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: Siquombfused [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) [catman ] Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: Siquombfused [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Romance Channel (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Klye Eastwood/Joni mention [Bounced Message ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #72 [catman ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [catman ] Re: Joni comparisons [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] [Fwd: Cat Haiku] [Michael Heath ] Re: Joni comparisons [Jerry Notaro ] tink-winky (NO JC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] jmdl Entrance Exam ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Mingus ["Laurie Reifel" ] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #71 [Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org] Re: jmdl Entrance Exam [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: jmdl Entrance Exam ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: jmdl Entrance Exam ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Best JM videos? [Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com] Re: Romance Channel (NJC) ["Marsha" ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #71 ["Marsha" ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Romance Channel (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: jmdl Entrance Exam [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Romance Channel (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Siquombfused ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Romance Channel (NJC) ["Marsha" ] Natalie Merchant/John Kelly concert ["Kakki" ] Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson wrote: * There are a few songs that Joni's strumming * technique is so complicated I will never learn * them: The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey, Yes, the way she plays this song is very hard to figure out. I'm sure I don't play it exactly the way she does, but it's pretty close and I feel happy with it. In general, I find it more difficult to figure out a lot of her rhythmic playing (e.g. the exact Cherokee Louise pattern) than I do to figure out her fingerpicking. With the fingerpicking it's easier to hear the individual notes and the order in which they're played, but with the rhythmic stuff, it's really hard to sort out what's going on exactly. Even when I watch her playing these rhythmic patterns and I try to do what she's doing, I still feel I'm not getting it exactly right. * the fingerpicking songs on STAS and Clouds, etc. * When in doubt, I just strum away and in one * way or another it sounds good. This is probably the best approach. It's kind of hard to go *very* wrong, since the chords in the open tunings are themselves so beautiful. * Marian, Sue (where is she, BTW?) comments? Sue has been in serious lurking mode. Where are you, Sue? Mark, I hope you're planning to go to the Colorado Jonifest. You can teach me how to play Blue Motel Room, GMBABM and DJRD and I'll teach you some of the songs I know from STAS and Clouds. I'm really hoping a lot of the JMDL musicians are planning to be there. It's such a wonderful experience to share Joni's music in person with other people who love her music as much or even more than you do! Marian Vienna NPIMH: Rocky Mountain High ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:43:57 +1100 From: "Cupit, Greg" Subject: TI Painting titles Simon mentioned: For the benefit of those of us who have never seen this booklet, could someone post to the list the titles of all the TI paintings? Say left to right, front page side to back page side? Also, what are the names of the TTT paintings? Any further news on the re-release of the Shadows & Light video? I still haven't got hold of a copy yet, having been outbid twice on the Ebay site. BTW the local ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation...., yes the government funded national radio network) were playing My Best To You from TTT this morning as I was driving to work. Its good to know that someone in radioland listens to albums and picks out individual tracks to play on air rather than just the singles. They've been playing The Crazy Cries of Love quite a lot too. And all this from a pretty conservative (musically) station. We get the really off the wall stuff on the national youth network, JJJ, which often amazes me that the government still funds outrageous adventurous radio. Also, other than the S & L tour (was it a tour, or just a single performace?), I'm surprised that Joni hasn't used the extraordinarily brilliant Pat Metheny on other albums. Metheny's recent CD Imaginary Day is fabulous if your interested. Bye for now, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:10:08 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Joni's guitar picking you wrote: << I'd be interested in hearing more from other guitar players about Joni's picking. I think that on many of those earliest songs, the picking is the most complex and some of the most difficult to do while singing. > carlton, I wish I could give you some really brainy answers but I was just never that great a guitarist... but I will share what I can since I had the opportunity to actually learn licks from Joni personally in the years we were friends just prior to STAS... as I saw it Joni had a pretty standard 3-finger picking style, fairly common to folk-style picking of the day... basically bastardized classic guitar chording. it's just that she was very, very good at it! she could play gutbucket ragtime or jugband music but her real talent showed on the ballads. I suspect that one thing that made her guitaring so unusual sounding was that she didn't start out learning on guitar but uke. she tried to teach me to fingerpick and, to some extent, succeeded... (see, I used to fake a fingerpicking sound with a flatpick before that so I was really learning from scratch...) I never could get good at using 3 fingers but she showed me a syncopated 2 finger style like she used in "Roses Blue" that I still use today... I agree with you as far as the complexity of her riffs on STAS and something came to mind... on the vocals she did all her own harmony and back up singing on that album via sound-on-sound... do you think it's possible she did some of that with the guitar as well..? It also seems to me that Joni's modern guitar style is pared down, that what she does now is a kind of combination of strumming and picking. I noticed that on the Pay Per View that some of the songs she performed were not picked at all, and were very simplified versions. I was wondering if anyone knew why she has streamlined her style. I can't imagine that she has lost her dexterity, judging from the detail of her painting. well, I can tell you that one does 'lose dexterity' somewhat in 30 years time... especially speed... but that may not necessarily be the (whole) answer... my first guess would be that it has to do with her perception of what her art is about... but I'm sure there are others her who know better than I do... hope that helps... *S* pat http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:13:09 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Tinky-Winky In a message dated 2/11/99 1:18:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, bern.gallagher@cwix.com writes: << If you think about it, they all COULD be gay. After all...they're teletubbies! I actually watched the show twice and, to my horror, the second show was a repeat of the one I'd already seen! Time for teletubby bye-bye! >> Or each different color teletubbie could indicate a different gender and they ALL have to get together in one big happy rainbow to reproduce enough little teletubbies for next season. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:48:22 -0500 From: Peter De Baets Subject: Joni comparisons Hi, my name is Peter, and I play guitar in a band called The Painted iD. I'm a member of this list because we keep getting compared to Joni (we have a female lead singer - Tori), and, well, I don't know that much about her. Musically anyway. I've heard "Cherokee Louise" and I thought it was great. I'm wondering if there is somewhat of a concensus on the list as to what are her 3 best albums? I'd like to see if these comparisons are valid. Thanks, Peter De Baets The Painted iD / Fox Street Records http://www.thepaintedid.com/ http://www.mp3.com/thepaintedid - mp3 music Peter's Software - MS Access Developer Tools http://www.wji.com/access/w1002324.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:59 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking hi clark, by '3-finger' I meant *besides/not including* the thumb... the 2-finger style I learned is classicly apparent on '4&20' by CS&N... (on 'Roses Blue' it's combined with a lot of plucking... (and that flamenco finale! wow! *S*)) is *very* common in traditional folk music where you have a syncopated beat with 'heavy-on-the-thumb' hammering and 'bass-walkin'... 'talkin' blues' is another place you'd find it... as to the 'steel strings': I've seen pictures of Joni with her martin 000 from just around the time I met her but never saw it 'in person'... from the first time she and Chuck played at our place she used a real nice D28... which was, of course, strung with De'Angelico 'silk and steel' strings... one time the plane from toronto ate her guitar and when she got to town she needed to borrow one so I loaned her mine, also a D28 but older and richer in sound than hers... (which I bought for $200. from a local performer named bill ruteledge) in those days I ate and slept with that guitar and it was almost like a part of me and, I'll tell ya, that night..? well, when she took the stage and her music rang out... her sweet voice and my guitar... god, it was SO exquisite... it was almost sexual! *S* pat http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:30:25 CarltonCT wrote: >How interesting. I will try and learn Roses Blue to see how differently it >might be picked. Some songs seem like they are for three fingers, but I know >some are for four and sometimes five. > >For years, I could not get MARCIE to sound like it does on the record - -such >a rich sound, and some very complex syncopation. Then someone clued me in -- >it's double tracked! The second track is mildly different from the first, but >definitely different in the picking. I learned this from Sues Tabs off the >JM website. > >Did Joni always play steel string when you knew her? > >Best to you, Pat. > >Clark Carlton > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:28:25 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking howard wrote: < The guitar picking on STAS is very detailed. To make the songs work, you pretty much have to hit every note and every string exactly right. Her later style (lets say her post C&S style) uses much broader strokes - she picks some notes out on individual strings, but she tends to do small strums, hitting groups of strings together. It's a more free style - you can vary the strums and rhythms a little, and the song works in much the same way. I don't think you can vary the STAS guitar parts much before they start to sound quite different. > well said! while I agree with you on the whole and can't add much to your analysis, it's not completely black & white... while most of her early work was, as you say, intricate picking, Joni could always strum and, in fact, 'Circle Game', one of her earliest was actually just as you describe her later music, a combo of picking and strums... but one song stands out in this sense on STAS, and that's 'Night In The City' which is all strumming. I think fair comparison could be made between that song and the later 'Free Man In Paris'... *S* pat http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:50:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, P. Henry wrote: > howard wrote: > > < The guitar picking on STAS is very detailed. To make the songs work, > you pretty much have to hit every note and every string exactly right. > Her later style (lets say her post C&S style) uses much broader strokes > - she picks some notes out on individual strings, but she tends to do > small strums, hitting groups of strings together> Pat added: > > well said! while I agree with you on the whole and can't add much to > your analysis, it's not completely black & white... while most of her > early work was, as you say, intricate picking, Joni could always strum > and, in fact, 'Circle Game', one of her earliest was actually just as > you describe her later music, a combo of picking and strums... but one > song stands out in this sense on STAS, and that's 'Night In The City' > which is all strumming. I think fair comparison could be made between > that song and the later 'Free Man In Paris'... *S* > > pat True. I was commenting on the overall guitar style of STAS, which has a lot of finely detailed picking compared to later albums. But you're right that there are certainly some early songs that are definite "strummers": Night in The City, Chelsea Morning, Clouds etc. Circle Game does have a mixture of picking on individual strings with small strums on groups of strings - so do other early songs like Marcie. In fact, this has always been one of the main features of Joni's style. I guess what I was saying is that the early songs use a lot *more* detailed picking on individual strings - her later stuff rarely does this, as she tends to always hit several strings together. Songs like "I Had A King", "The Priest", have sections where the picking is very specific - miss one string and it sounds wrong! This is more typical of her early style. You have to hit exactly the right strings a lot of the time. Gradually, her rhythmic style developed, and she played less detailed parts, using a kind of brushing action that would pick out *groups* of strings rather than individual strings. But you're right, it's not black and white, it's a gradual change in style, and there are elements of the "strummier" style in some early songs, just as there are sections with more detailed picking in some later songs (the intros to Jericho and Hejira spring to mind). Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:02:35 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking In a message dated 2/11/99 6:54:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk writes: << True. I was commenting on the overall guitar style of STAS, which has a lot of finely detailed picking compared to later albums. But you're right that there are certainly some early songs that are definite "strummers": Night in The City, Chelsea Morning, Clouds etc. >> Seems to me as a non-guitar player that this is merely a factor of the beat. Theipbeat songs like Night in the City and Chelsea Morning do not lend themselves well to much picking. Paul I NP : picking at my non-guitar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:11:22 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni comparisons In a message dated 2/11/99 5:51:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, PDeBaets@compuserve.com writes: << we keep getting compared to Joni (we have a female lead singer - Tori), and, well, I don't know that much about her. Musically anyway. I've heard "Cherokee Louise" and I thought it was great. I'm wondering if there is somewhat of a concensus on the list as to what are her 3 best albums? I'd like to see if these comparisons are valid. >> Without having heard anything that your band has played makes it difficult, but I suggest you check out For The Roses, Court and Spark and Hejira. Or for more of a cross-section ofher music and maybe a better comparison to your band, playing live rather than in a studio, you might listen to her two live albums -- Miles of Aisles and Shadows and Light. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:29:02 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Jerry backs down! (NJC) Katie Couric just interviewed Jerry and he was minding his P's and Q's! Saying only that his newspaper quoted other sources of this brew-ha ha. They were showing bits and pieces of the teletubbies in the process of the interview. I'm more concerned with the green and red tubbie! The green tubbie has a LARGE phallic on his head and the red has a nice tight ring! Hummmm... I wouldn't want my little children thinking they can go around wearing their genitalia on their heads! Is the name of the green one dickhead? Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:35:16 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) In a message dated 2/11/99 7:33:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << Is the name of the green one dickhead? >> Well, he prefers to be known as Richard Cranium. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:23:12 +0100 From: "Tube" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #72 >The actor who played Tinky-Winky, that is, the guy who >had the balls to get in that stupid suit You mean to say that there are people inside them? Tube ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:38:16 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) I just have one question about the gay teletubbie. Since they have televisions for bellies, can they watch or even broadcast Jerry Falwell or how about Jim Bakker(sp?) ???? What an embarrassment for our country. And right at a time when we're already embarrassed enough with our philandering, perjuring prez. - -Michele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:45:20 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) This thread is so hilarious! Perhaps his name is yanky-wanky!? (Hope that doesn't offend anyone...) :-) - -Michele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:57:10 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Siquombfused Greg, Joni at one time was writing her own mythology; it included the POSALL's (Perhaps our souls are little ladies), MOSALM (Maybe our souls are little men), and the "goddess", SIQUOMB (She is queen undisputedly of mind beauty). I guess the drugs wore off though and she never finished the concept... Bob NP: Tori, "The Waitress" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Siquombfused Author: "Cupit; Greg" at fdinet Date: 2/11/99 6:26 PM Mark in Seattle signed off with: Siquomb, indeed! AAAAaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!! I can bear it no longer!! Please, can someone tell me what IS this SIQUOMB?!?!?!? Other than the publishing company that Joni used ages ago, what does it all mean?? A bewildered Tasmanian, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:57:21 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) > What an embarrassment for our country. And right at a time when we're already > embarrassed enough with our philandering, perjuring prez. > > -Michele Can't blame this one on us...It's the Brits who are behind these perverted little creatures! I just tuned into a tubbie show. The red one who has the nice tight ring...is the smallest, red... what an appropriate color and I believe her name is get this....AAAHHHHHH. which is usually what I express after well you know...... Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:05:42 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) I bet you did!! but who cares? That was funny! MHart16164@aol.com wrote: > This thread is so hilarious! > Perhaps his name is yanky-wanky!? > (Hope that doesn't offend anyone...) :-) > -Michele - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:26:18 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) M & C Urbanski wrote: > Katie Couric just interviewed Jerry and he was minding his P's and Q's! > Saying only that his newspaper quoted other sources of this brew-ha ha. Well, what can you expect from a guy who resides in a town named "Lynchburg", "Virginia" -- That name alone has got to be a predestination for sexual perversion :-) , and (this is dead serious now ) only a sexual pervert himself would be capable of making up such incredible allegations. (i.e. -- putting the childrens' show in a sexual context at all -- the gay part is just "normal" discrimination I guess). > They were showing bits and pieces of the teletubbies in the process of the > interview. I'm more concerned with the green and red tubbie! The green > tubbie has a LARGE phallic on his head and the red has a nice tight ring! > Hummmm... I wouldn't want my little children thinking they can go around > wearing their genitalia on their heads! Is the name of the green one > dickhead? > ROTFL! What about the yellow one carrying that zig-zag thing? Is that perhaps a hidden advertisement for Viagra? I say we must complain to Pfizer at once! Apart from this all, I do have to say I find these characters rather ugly.... Oh well, at least they seem to be friendly and do not teach violence to our young ones. One cannot be too worried about the television exposure of children! Who knows, how many criminals Itchy & Scratchy... er...Tom & Jerry has produced? Winfried, whose addiction to things Celtic & Irish (i.e. red hair and freckles) as well as Scandinavia (i.e. Sweden) perhaps stem from watching too much Pippi Longstrumpet? Oh my gosh! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:43:24 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) > What about the yellow one carrying that zig-zag thing? Is that perhaps a > hidden advertisement for Viagra? I say we must complain to Pfizer at once! > Winfried Winfried, I think the yellow one is French! Maybe his name is tickler. I get excited just looking at him! AAAHHHHHHH! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:58:28 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) Folks, if you wanna have some high-class fun, I suggest you visit the relating page of the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_276000/276677.stm On the surface, it is still a neutral news story, but if you read between the lines and look at the audio links you'll know what they think which is also what I think and also what most of us think... Winfried, sometimes really glad about living in Europe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:58:24 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking >Paul I >NP : picking at my non-guitar > actually, paul, I always sounded best on an air guitar! *L* pat NP: "Little Wing" - Hendrix Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:35:50 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Siquombfused In a message dated 2/11/99 9:00:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Joni at one time was writing her own mythology; it included the POSALL's (Perhaps our souls are little ladies), MOSALM (Maybe our souls are little men), and the "goddess", SIQUOMB (She is queen undisputedly of mind beauty). I guess the drugs wore off though and she never finished the concept... >> Greg, don't take this personally, but it seems to me that rather than haing one of our regular list members having tro answer this exact same question AT LEAST once a month whenever new people join the list, couldn't Les set up a short multiple-choice quiz that asks about 4 or 5 basic Joni FAQs that every new member must successfully answer before they can join the list? I'm not suggesting that anyone be barred from tyhe list. Instead, if they get give a wrong answer they would get linked to the section of either Les' or Wally's page where the answer is and they can read it for themselves and then go back to the quiz armed with the correct answer. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:39:27 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) In a message dated 2/11/99 9:02:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << Can't blame this one on us...It's the Brits who are behind these perverted little creatures! I just tuned into a tubbie show. The red one who has the nice tight ring...is the smallest, red... what an appropriate color and I believe her name is get this....AAAHHHHHH. which is usually what I express after well you know...... Marilyn >> So translated from the English to American, this creature's name is AFTERGLOW? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:06:49 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Romance Channel (NJC) Marsha wrote: >Today on the Romance Channel on cable TV I caught a >glimpse of the end of a 1991 Orion Pictures produced >flick Oh, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha...so this is what your life has come down to? The Romance Channel? Gone the days we used to discuss Tolstoy, Joyce, The National Health Service, those nights in Monte Carlo...sigh... :) ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:14:38 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Klye Eastwood/Joni mention From: "Hejira" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:40:18 -0000 Klye Eastwood has just been on the tube over here (UK) talking about what an honour it was to work with Joni on his album.The show is called the big breakfast its very colourful and loud.The presenter had to tell the crew who Joni was as Klye only said Joni the presenter added Mitchell.Sorry didn't have the video going.See you Kev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:02:31 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #72 Tube-I didn't know that either I thought they were puppets. Tube wrote: > >The actor who played Tinky-Winky, that is, the guy who > >had the balls to get in that stupid suit > > You mean to say that there are people inside them? > > Tube - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:10:00 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) oh God! Is THAT what Afterglow means? There is a famous American Cock Spaniel kennel here called AFTERGLOW! I know the man who owns it. IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/99 9:02:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com > writes: > > << Can't blame this one on us...It's the Brits who are behind these perverted > little creatures! > I just tuned into a tubbie show. The red one who has the nice tight > ring...is the smallest, red... what an appropriate color and I believe her > name is get this....AAAHHHHHH. which is usually what I express after well > you know...... > > Marilyn >> > > So translated from the English to American, this creature's name is AFTERGLOW? > Paul I - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:16:21 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni comparisons Hi Peter As Paul indicated, it is difficult to recommend an album of Joni's for you to listen to. One reason is because her style has changed dramatically over the years. In fact, that is one thing that is distinctive about Joni, she is constantly changing! Perhaps if you described your band's music a bit it would help to recommend an album that matches. Are you "folky" or "jazzy"? What instruments are involved? etc... Odds are that it is reminescent of some of her older work, as that is more widely known, but you never know. Another recommendation would to pick up copies of her Hits and Misses CD's which contain music spanning her carreer. Peter De Baets wrote: > Hi, my name is Peter, and I play guitar in a band called The Painted iD. > I'm a member of this list because we keep getting compared to Joni (we have > a female lead singer - Tori), and, well, I don't know that much about her. > Musically anyway. I've heard "Cherokee Louise" and I thought it was great. > I'm wondering if there is somewhat of a concensus on the list as to what > are her 3 best albums? I'd like to see if these comparisons are valid. > > Thanks, > > Peter De Baets > > The Painted iD / Fox Street Records > http://www.thepaintedid.com/ > http://www.mp3.com/thepaintedid - mp3 music > > Peter's Software - MS Access Developer Tools > http://www.wji.com/access/w1002324.html - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:24:54 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) Marilyn writes ... > As far as I know it's only us Catholics >that do real wine, don't lump us in with Mr. Jerry! Don't know if this is universally true, but the First Episcopal Church in Dallas, TX used to use dry sherry for communion wine in my childhood. This, of course, prompted all of us to refer to them as "the Whiskey-palians" ... Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:28:11 -0800 From: Michael Heath Subject: [Fwd: Cat Haiku] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------022F1BBA0494E9E848936546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haikus are Japanese poems made up of exactly 17 syllables. if you have ever owned a cat...these are brilliant!:) cul - --------------022F1BBA0494E9E848936546 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by mail1.bctel.ca with SMTP id DAA08692 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:45:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990211114458.28996.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [38.30.206.227] by send101.yahoomail.com; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:44:58 PST Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:44:58 -0800 (PST) From: Queen R Subject: Cat Haiku To: B B , C C , Gerda D , K G , J Gauthier , M H Cc: N W , W F , Linda Hendry , Kathy kimbakat , Deb Law , buckie nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Cat Haiku You never feed me. Perhaps I'll sleep on your face. That will show you. I need a new toy. Tail of black dog keeps good time. Pounce! good dog! good dog! The rule for today: Touch my tail, I shred your hand. New rule tomorrow. In deep sleep hear sound Cat throwup hairball somewhere Will find in morning Grace personified, I leap into the window. I meant to do that. Blur of motion, then -- Silence, me, a paper bag. What is so funny? You're always typing. Well, let's see you ignore my Sitting on your hands. My small cardboard box. You cannot see me if I Can hide my head. Terrible battle. I fought for hours. Come and see! What's a 'term paper'? Small brave carnivores Kill pine cones and mosquitoes Fear vacuum cleaner Want to trim my claws? Don't even think about it! My cries will wake dead. I want to be close To you. Can I fit my head inside your armpit? Wanna go outside. Oh, no! Help! I got outside! Let me back inside! Oh no! Big One has been trapped by newspaper! Cat to the rescue! Humans are so strange. Mine lies still in bed, then screams! My claws aren't that sharp ... Litter box not here You must have moved it again I'll crap in the sink. We're almost equals I purr to show I love you Want to smell my butt? == end What most people need to learn in life, is how to love people and use things , instead of using people and loving things!
My HomePage http://members.delphi.com/narue/index.html Sea Grapes http://expage.com/page/mopg1 The Queen's Home Page(both sites are linked to each other) ICQ #10493910 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------022F1BBA0494E9E848936546-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:42:02 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni comparisons I listened to their mp3 and it is very Court and Spark. The first opening sounds like Free Man In Paris or live Carey. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:14:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: tink-winky (NO JC) Well you can imagine this thread on other lists. From one I'm active on: Several magazines have picked up the phenomena of gay folks liking T-W. Gay people have many "icons"...Judy Garland, Barbra Streisand, Tracy Chapman, Xena...are they going to take all of them away or what? They just don't understand our extreme need for campy little icons. The best moment on GMA this morning was when the US distributor of the Teletubby show held his head while Jerry Falwell was blathering on...and Katie Couric chimed in with"Well, we have to go now"..she was almost ready to collapse in gails of laughter at Mr. Jerry... Bonita "If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done at the library?" Lily Tomlin Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:41:38 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: jmdl Entrance Exam Since some on the list are getting a little bent out of shape answering questions from newer members, and are in fact, suggesting a quiz to qualify for list membership, I've taken the liberty of composing a few questions that I think would help ... 1. Which of the following topics would be considered "NJC"? A. Politics B. Religion C. Sexuality D. All of the above E. None of the above 2. The "real" title of Joni's first album is ... A. Joni Mitchell B. Song To A Seagull C. A or B D. First A then B E. First B then A 3. "Not To Blame" is a true story based on Joni's stormy relationship with singer-songwriter Jackson Browne. A. True B. False 4. "Clouds" is ... A. A song title B. An album title C. Joni's first band D. The name of Joni's Parker Fly guitar E. None of the above 5. Which of the following artists has Joni NOT been romantically liked to at some point in her career? A. James Taylor B. David Crosby C. Larry Klein D. Little Richard E. None of the above There, it's a start! ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:04:13 -0500 From: "Laurie Reifel" Subject: Re: Mingus > > > < and WTRF. The earth just doesn't move with those three, are they just not so > good or is it me again? Any thoughts, some counselling would be welcome?>> Do you listen to Charles Mingus at all? I wonder if maybe a couple of listens to "Mingus Mingus Mingus" might make the earth move for you on "Mingus"? Just a thought. I do like Mingus (the album) but prefer JM albums that I can sing along to straight through! Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:57:32 -0500 From: Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #71 I believe the Cybill Shepherd movie someone mentioned in which "The Circle Game" is sung is called "Married to It" --1993. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:01:43 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: jmdl Entrance Exam Don said: <> Hey Don, I was the one to answer the Siquomb question this morning, and I had no problem in doing it...the logical step of "welcoming" someone new to the list/digest is helping to bring them up to speed on a couple things, answer some questions, etc. Let's face it - we were *all* newbies at some time...plus if you're on digest, which is how most folks start, you get this "Siquomb" message every day with no clue as to what it means... But further to what Paul said, it *would* be helpful if we could add to the message one gets when one subscribes (the "tolerance, tolerance" message) to include a definition of Siquomb and also "NP". That seems to be the main FAQ. If there was a separate FAQ, folks might go it & might not. I would like to see an FAQ be an automatic attachment to the original message. It's just a suggestion - in the meantime, I don't get bent out of shape at all answering newer members questions because so many have been so kind to me thus far... PS - I enjoyed the quiz, I thought it was very clever... Bob NP: Joni talking about Stravinsky... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:02:18 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: jmdl Entrance Exam > Since some on the list are getting a little bent out of shape answering > questions from newer members, and are in fact, suggesting a quiz to > qualify for list membership, I've taken the liberty of composing a few > questions that I think would help ... Would this qualify me for graduate school? I'm not taking any tests unless there is something in it for me! Like money!! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:12:51 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: jmdl Entrance Exam Marilyn wonders ... >Would this qualify me for graduate school? I don't see why not ... you'd graduate as a PhDJ (Joni Discography Doctorate), or an MAJ (Masters and Joni), or a JMD (Joni Minutae Director), or even a JMDL (Joni Master of Devastating Lyrics) ... I say go for it! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:12:51 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) Winfried referred us: >Folks, >if you wanna have some high-class fun, I suggest you visit the relating page >of the BBC: > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_276000/276677.stm Thanks, Winfried - this is hilarious and there are links to Teletubbies sites. I never knew they were so cute! Here's Tinky's official bio from the site: "Tinky Winky is the biggest Teletubby. He is purple. He has a special song he loves to sing to himself. 'Pinkle Winkle Tinky Winky, Pinkle Winkle Tinky Winkly'. Tinky Winky loves walking, marching, dancing and falling over. Tinky Winky's favourite thing is his special red bag. Tinky Winky loves big hugs best of all." Me, too, Tinky! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:37:41 -0600 From: Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com Subject: Best JM videos? It must have been about 20 years ago when I first saw Joni on TV singing. What a voice! Sounding like she could control it in an 8 octave range. One of my favorite Joni songs is "Cold Blue Steel". Is it available on video/laserdisk/DVD ? Also, what video do you like? I've looked and looked in the stores but never see anything on her. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:51:03 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Romance Channel (NJC) > >Oh, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha...so this is what your life has >come down to? The Romance Channel? Gone the days we used to >discuss Tolstoy, Joyce, The National Health Service, those >nights in Monte Carlo...sigh... :) Well, Stevie and everyone, what's a girl to do when she gets too hot and bothered with Tinky Winky impure thoughts? I turned the channel to cool down... Marsha, trying to find the public stock offering on those little critters and smells big gains for that segment of the toy market ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:59:40 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #71 Thanks, Frank and Jill T (prvt) for answering my question! Marsh - -----Original Message----- >From: Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org > >To: joni@smoe.org >Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 3:01 PM >Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #71 > > >>I believe the Cybill Shepherd movie someone mentioned in which "The Circle >>Game" is sung is called "Married to It" --1993. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:35:46 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) heather - you never fail to kill me. but hey! this teletubby "controversy" is a GOOD thing (yes martha, yes) because jerry falwell has succeeded in making himself the laughing stock of the nation, if not the world, and i don't know about you, but i am enjoying that IMMENSELY!!! i swear, on his appearance on the TODAY show this morning, which i made myself late for work just to watch (and hoot over) i detected just a teensy bit of tightening around the corners of his smug, cornfed mouth, (or is it KORNFED?) that even his years of practice could not disguise. i don't think jerry LIKES being a laughing stock, which makes it even more gratifying to observe. or maybe he just wasn't quite so snug in his bible belt dreams, poor dear. and now representative tom delay is starting to twist in the wind. along with the rest of the conservative republicans... oh payback is such a sweet little bitch! i am going to jamaica on sunday for a week in sunny negril, (it just BETTER be sunny!) so if i don't make another appearance on the list between now and then, i will sign off to this little community with a smile. see you all upon my return, when i post again from walpole state prison, but colin is going to bake me a cake with a big tube of KY jelly inside, so i am not worried! push those recline buttons down listers!!! love and peace to all, RIC!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:00:56 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Romance Channel (NJC) > Marsha, trying to find the public stock offering on those > little critters and smells big gains for that segment of > the toy market Marsha, OOOOOOOOO forget the furbys! I think you're right on this one! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:56:41 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: jmdl Entrance Exam In a message dated 2/11/99 2:44:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: << 2. The "real" title of Joni's first album is ... A. Joni Mitchell B. Song To A Seagull C. A or B D. First A then B E. First B then A >> Actually, this one, the one about SIQUOMB, the romantically linked one and one more would probably cover it. Very nice, though I'm not sure you submitted this with your tongue anywhere but in cheek. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:49:25 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Romance Channel (NJC) Hey Marsha, why stop with tinky winky, depending on how "hot and bothered" you are you can apply for a job at the White House. There is an opening by all news accounts. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:24:29 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Siquombfused Bewildered Tasmanian Greg spins: <> Well I always thought it meant: She Iridescently Quivers Undulating Over My Brow.... E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:29:59 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Romance Channel (NJC) - -From: MDESTE1@aol.com >Hey Marsha, why stop with tinky winky, depending on how "hot and bothered" you >are you can apply for a job at the White House. There is an opening by all >news accounts. :) ! You mean Hillary has kicked Bill out of the House and has changed the locks? Thanks, Mr. Modest... I'm flattered you would think of me occupying the vacancy! Marsha, humming "Hail to the Chieftess" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:15:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Natalie Merchant/John Kelly concert Did anyone in SoCal attend this concert last night at Universal Amphithreatre? I'd love to hear a review of it. Famed L.A. DJ and huge Joni fan Nicole Sandler was talking about it today on the radio. She said that she thought John *was* Joni at first. Kakki NP: Things are Gettin' Better - Sons of Champlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:01:07 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off) Look I don't mean to completely decimate this band but I just find them too "user friendly"... the video clips are like magazine advertisements for what is considered a fashionable alternative lifestyles! To me them and Marilyn Mason are just rehashing a genre without necessarily creating a new sound. Borrowing sounds and adding distortion or writing brutal lyrics with the word f*#k in it doesn't make it new. Sorry, all this new wave of aggressive bands who play three chords and then howl over the top thinking their some sort of banshee just raises my hackles. I don't think there's anything wrong with being media friendly or having a strong visual image in the music world but if that's all you are then that's not music. I watched the Letterman show when he interviewed "Marilyn" and asked him 'why' he acted the way he does? Answer: He wants to put the fun back into rock n' roll! Please, how trite. All he is doing is mimicking Alice Cooper, King Diamond, Kiss and many other acts who utilised bizarre imagery, gothic overtones, larger than life personas and controversial statements to add life to their music. I don't mean to generalise but lately alot of these bands act as if they are the first and only ones to ever approach music in an angry way. It just aggravates me that they never acknowledge their influences. Also I wouldn't call Korn dissonance just distortion. There are many excellent aggressive bands out there who have integrated rap, punk, funk and even opera into their music. Check out any prog band! My suggestion is... for fun try Anthrax (not the disease). For aggression try Tool or Rollins. For complex cacophony that thunders at your mind and then tames your soul try King Crimson. For gothic melody with elements of sexual frippery try Danzig. For that eastern extravaganzas with thundering guitars try The Tea Party. Just for fun listen to any old metal band. With their rolling bass lines, pounding drumbeats, ripping guitar sounds and soaring vocals they really create anthems that make your blood race and want to conquer the world. My suggestion is this: Research. I love metal. I even love that glam era when Poison strutted their stuff and wore more make up than me. It was all fun but I didn't call it quality. Perhaps that's where the distinction lies. If you want quality you'll find it but don't confuse it with the Spice Girls... who make me laugh as they rake in the money and have a great time doing it! Please excuse my ranting, it's just that I get all worked up over this subject. I refrained from the Nirvana thread because that too I disagreed with (sorry Marianna). We all feel that the bands we love change the face of music. Some do and some don't. I do agree that they impacted on the scene but was it necessarily good? People covering your music also doesn't give it credence... Spice Girls covered Gary Glitter... didn't help his career or legitimize his music... :-) I shall stop now before this becomes a crusade... then I shall have to make speeches often, get embroiled in a scandal of sorts and die a humiliating public death. I shall then live my life out on the talk show circuit wearing the same old clothes as I did when I was an icon! Vanessa who thought Motley Crue hung the stars when she was 15! (Turned out they just hung out their asses!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #73 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?