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JMDL Digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 04 : Number 073
The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes
by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery
username: jimdle password: siquomb
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Mingus Album Cover Painting [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Rick & Penny Gibbons)]
Re: Joni's guitar picking [M.Russell@iaea.org]
TI Painting titles ["Cupit, Greg" ]
Joni's guitar picking ["P. Henry" ]
Re: Tinky-Winky [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Joni comparisons [Peter De Baets ]
Re: Joni's guitar picking ["P. Henry" ]
Re: Joni's Guitar picking ["P. Henry" ]
Re: Joni's Guitar picking [Howard Wright ]
Re: Joni's Guitar picking [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Joni comparisons [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Jerry backs down! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ]
Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: JMDL Digest V4 #72 ["Tube" ]
Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [MHart16164@aol.com]
Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) [MHart16164@aol.com]
Re: Siquombfused [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com]
Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ]
Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) [catman ]
Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ]
Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ]
Re: Siquombfused [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Romance Channel (NJC) [Steve Dulson ]
Klye Eastwood/Joni mention [Bounced Message ]
Re: JMDL Digest V4 #72 [catman ]
Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [catman ]
Re: Joni comparisons [Phyliss Ward ]
Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ]
[Fwd: Cat Haiku] [Michael Heath ]
Re: Joni comparisons [Jerry Notaro ]
tink-winky (NO JC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ]
jmdl Entrance Exam ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: Mingus ["Laurie Reifel" ]
RE: JMDL Digest V4 #71 [Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org]
Re: jmdl Entrance Exam [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com]
Re: jmdl Entrance Exam ["M & C Urbanski" ]
Re: jmdl Entrance Exam ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["Kakki" ]
Best JM videos? [Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com]
Re: Romance Channel (NJC) ["Marsha" ]
Re: JMDL Digest V4 #71 ["Marsha" ]
Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com]
Re: Romance Channel (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ]
Re: jmdl Entrance Exam [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Romance Channel (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com]
Re: Siquombfused ["Eric Taylor" ]
Re: Romance Channel (NJC) ["Marsha" ]
Natalie Merchant/John Kelly concert ["Kakki" ]
Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson
wrote:
* There are a few songs that Joni's strumming
* technique is so complicated I will never learn
* them: The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey,
Yes, the way she plays this song is very hard to figure out. I'm sure I
don't play it exactly the way she does, but it's pretty close and I feel
happy with it. In general, I find it more difficult to figure out a lot of
her rhythmic playing (e.g. the exact Cherokee Louise pattern) than I do to
figure out her fingerpicking. With the fingerpicking it's easier to hear
the individual notes and the order in which they're played, but with the
rhythmic stuff, it's really hard to sort out what's going on exactly. Even
when I watch her playing these rhythmic patterns and I try to do what she's
doing, I still feel I'm not getting it exactly right.
* the fingerpicking songs on STAS and Clouds, etc.
* When in doubt, I just strum away and in one
* way or another it sounds good.
This is probably the best approach. It's kind of hard to go *very* wrong,
since the chords in the open tunings are themselves so beautiful.
* Marian, Sue (where is she, BTW?) comments?
Sue has been in serious lurking mode. Where are you, Sue? Mark, I hope
you're planning to go to the Colorado Jonifest. You can teach me how to
play Blue Motel Room, GMBABM and DJRD and I'll teach you some of the songs I
know from STAS and Clouds. I'm really hoping a lot of the JMDL musicians
are planning to be there. It's such a wonderful experience to share Joni's
music in person with other people who love her music as much or even more
than you do!
Marian
Vienna
NPIMH: Rocky Mountain High
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:43:57 +1100
From: "Cupit, Greg"
Subject: TI Painting titles
Simon mentioned:
For the benefit of those of us who have never seen this booklet, could
someone post to the list the titles of all the TI paintings? Say left
to right, front page side to back page side? Also, what are the names
of the TTT paintings?
Any further news on the re-release of the Shadows & Light video? I
still haven't got hold of a copy yet, having been outbid twice on the
Ebay site.
BTW the local ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation...., yes the
government funded national radio network) were playing My Best To You
from TTT this morning as I was driving to work. Its good to know that
someone in radioland listens to albums and picks out individual tracks
to play on air rather than just the singles. They've been playing The
Crazy Cries of Love quite a lot too. And all this from a pretty
conservative (musically) station. We get the really off the wall stuff
on the national youth network, JJJ, which often amazes me that the
government still funds outrageous adventurous radio.
Also, other than the S & L tour (was it a tour, or just a single
performace?), I'm surprised that Joni hasn't used the extraordinarily
brilliant Pat Metheny on other albums. Metheny's recent CD Imaginary
Day is fabulous if your interested.
Bye for now, Greg
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:10:08 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: Joni's guitar picking
you wrote:
<< I'd be interested in hearing more from other guitar players about Joni's picking. I think that on many of those earliest songs, the picking is the most complex and some of the most difficult to do while singing. >
carlton, I wish I could give you some really brainy answers but I was just never that great a guitarist... but I will share what I can since I had the opportunity to actually learn licks from Joni personally in the years we were friends just prior to STAS...
as I saw it Joni had a pretty standard 3-finger picking style, fairly common to folk-style picking of the day... basically bastardized classic guitar chording. it's just that she was very, very good at it! she could play gutbucket ragtime or jugband music but her real talent showed on the ballads. I suspect that one thing that made her guitaring so unusual sounding was that she didn't start out learning on guitar but uke. she tried to teach me to fingerpick and, to some extent, succeeded... (see, I used to fake a fingerpicking sound with a flatpick before that so I was really learning from scratch...) I never could get good at using 3 fingers but she showed me a syncopated 2 finger style like she used in "Roses Blue" that I still use today...
I agree with you as far as the complexity of her riffs on STAS and something came to mind... on the vocals she did all her own harmony and back up singing on that album via sound-on-sound... do you think it's possible she did some of that with the guitar as well..?
It also seems to me that Joni's modern guitar style is pared down, that what she does now is a kind of combination of strumming and picking. I noticed that on the Pay Per View that some of the songs she performed were not picked at all, and were very simplified versions. I was wondering if anyone knew why she has streamlined her style. I can't imagine that she has lost her dexterity, judging from the detail of her painting.
well, I can tell you that one does 'lose dexterity' somewhat in 30 years time... especially speed... but that may not necessarily be the (whole) answer... my first guess would be that it has to do with her perception of what her art is about... but I'm sure there are others her who know better than I do... hope that helps... *S*
pat
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:13:09 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tinky-Winky
In a message dated 2/11/99 1:18:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bern.gallagher@cwix.com writes:
<< If you think about it,
they all COULD be gay. After all...they're teletubbies!
I actually watched the show twice and, to my horror, the
second show was a repeat of the one I'd already seen!
Time for teletubby bye-bye! >>
Or each different color teletubbie could indicate a different gender and they
ALL have to get together in one big happy rainbow to reproduce enough little
teletubbies for next season.
;>)
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 05:48:22 -0500
From: Peter De Baets
Subject: Joni comparisons
Hi, my name is Peter, and I play guitar in a band called The Painted iD.
I'm a member of this list because we keep getting compared to Joni (we have
a female lead singer - Tori), and, well, I don't know that much about her.
Musically anyway. I've heard "Cherokee Louise" and I thought it was great.
I'm wondering if there is somewhat of a concensus on the list as to what
are her 3 best albums? I'd like to see if these comparisons are valid.
Thanks,
Peter De Baets
The Painted iD / Fox Street Records
http://www.thepaintedid.com/
http://www.mp3.com/thepaintedid - mp3 music
Peter's Software - MS Access Developer Tools
http://www.wji.com/access/w1002324.html
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:12:59 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking
hi clark,
by '3-finger' I meant *besides/not including* the thumb... the 2-finger style I learned is classicly apparent on '4&20' by CS&N... (on 'Roses Blue' it's combined with a lot of plucking... (and that flamenco finale! wow! *S*)) is *very* common in traditional folk music where you have a syncopated beat with 'heavy-on-the-thumb' hammering and 'bass-walkin'... 'talkin' blues' is another place you'd find it...
as to the 'steel strings': I've seen pictures of Joni with her martin 000 from just around the time I met her but never saw it 'in person'... from the first time she and Chuck played at our place she used a real nice D28... which was, of course, strung with De'Angelico 'silk and steel' strings...
one time the plane from toronto ate her guitar and when she got to town she needed to borrow one so I loaned her mine, also a D28 but older and richer in sound than hers... (which I bought for $200. from a local performer named bill ruteledge) in those days I ate and slept with that guitar and it was almost like a part of me and, I'll tell ya, that night..? well, when she took the stage and her music rang out... her sweet voice and my guitar... god, it was SO exquisite... it was almost sexual! *S*
pat
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:30:25 CarltonCT wrote:
>How interesting. I will try and learn Roses Blue to see how differently it
>might be picked. Some songs seem like they are for three fingers, but I know
>some are for four and sometimes five.
>
>For years, I could not get MARCIE to sound like it does on the record - -such
>a rich sound, and some very complex syncopation. Then someone clued me in --
>it's double tracked! The second track is mildly different from the first, but
>definitely different in the picking. I learned this from Sues Tabs off the
>JM website.
>
>Did Joni always play steel string when you knew her?
>
>Best to you, Pat.
>
>Clark Carlton
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:28:25 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking
howard wrote:
< The guitar picking on STAS is very detailed. To make the songs work, you pretty much have to hit every note and every string exactly right. Her later style (lets say her post C&S style) uses much broader strokes - she picks some notes out on individual strings, but she tends to do small strums, hitting groups of strings together. It's a more free style - you can vary the strums and rhythms a little, and the song works in much the same way. I don't think you can vary the STAS guitar parts much before they start to sound quite different. >
well said! while I agree with you on the whole and can't add much to your analysis, it's not completely black & white... while most of her early work was, as you say, intricate picking, Joni could always strum and, in fact, 'Circle Game', one of her earliest was actually just as you describe her later music, a combo of picking and strums... but one song stands out in this sense on STAS, and that's 'Night In The City' which is all strumming. I think fair comparison could be made between that song and the later 'Free Man In Paris'... *S*
pat
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:50:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Howard Wright
Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, P. Henry wrote:
> howard wrote:
>
> < The guitar picking on STAS is very detailed. To make the songs work,
> you pretty much have to hit every note and every string exactly right.
> Her later style (lets say her post C&S style) uses much broader strokes
> - she picks some notes out on individual strings, but she tends to do
> small strums, hitting groups of strings together>
Pat added:
>
> well said! while I agree with you on the whole and can't add much to
> your analysis, it's not completely black & white... while most of her
> early work was, as you say, intricate picking, Joni could always strum
> and, in fact, 'Circle Game', one of her earliest was actually just as
> you describe her later music, a combo of picking and strums... but one
> song stands out in this sense on STAS, and that's 'Night In The City'
> which is all strumming. I think fair comparison could be made between
> that song and the later 'Free Man In Paris'... *S*
>
> pat
True. I was commenting on the overall guitar style of STAS, which has a
lot of finely detailed picking compared to later albums. But you're right
that there are certainly some early songs that are definite "strummers":
Night in The City, Chelsea Morning, Clouds etc.
Circle Game does have a mixture of picking on individual strings with
small strums on groups of strings - so do other early songs like Marcie.
In fact, this has always been one of the main features of Joni's style. I
guess what I was saying is that the early songs use a lot *more*
detailed picking on individual strings - her later stuff rarely does this,
as she tends to always hit several strings together.
Songs like "I Had A King", "The Priest", have sections where the picking
is very specific - miss one string and it sounds wrong! This is more
typical of her early style. You have to hit exactly the right strings a
lot of the time. Gradually, her rhythmic style developed, and she played
less detailed parts, using a kind of brushing action that would pick out
*groups* of strings rather than individual strings.
But you're right, it's not black and white, it's a gradual change in
style, and there are elements of the "strummier" style in some early
songs, just as there are sections with more detailed picking in some later
songs (the intros to Jericho and Hejira spring to mind).
Howard
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:02:35 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking
In a message dated 2/11/99 6:54:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, haw@ph.ed.ac.uk
writes:
<< True. I was commenting on the overall guitar style of STAS, which has a
lot of finely detailed picking compared to later albums. But you're right
that there are certainly some early songs that are definite "strummers":
Night in The City, Chelsea Morning, Clouds etc.
>>
Seems to me as a non-guitar player that this is merely a factor of the beat.
Theipbeat songs like Night in the City and Chelsea Morning do not lend
themselves well to much picking.
Paul I
NP : picking at my non-guitar
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:11:22 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni comparisons
In a message dated 2/11/99 5:51:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
PDeBaets@compuserve.com writes:
<< we keep getting compared to Joni (we have
a female lead singer - Tori), and, well, I don't know that much about her.
Musically anyway. I've heard "Cherokee Louise" and I thought it was great.
I'm wondering if there is somewhat of a concensus on the list as to what
are her 3 best albums? I'd like to see if these comparisons are valid. >>
Without having heard anything that your band has played makes it difficult,
but I suggest you check out For The Roses, Court and Spark and Hejira.
Or for more of a cross-section ofher music and maybe a better comparison to
your band, playing live rather than in a studio, you might listen to her two
live albums -- Miles of Aisles and Shadows and Light.
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:29:02 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Jerry backs down! (NJC)
Katie Couric just interviewed Jerry and he was minding his P's and Q's!
Saying only that his newspaper quoted other sources of this brew-ha ha.
They were showing bits and pieces of the teletubbies in the process of the
interview. I'm more concerned with the green and red tubbie! The green
tubbie has a LARGE phallic on his head and the red has a nice tight ring!
Hummmm... I wouldn't want my little children thinking they can go around
wearing their genitalia on their heads! Is the name of the green one
dickhead?
Marilyn
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:35:16 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC)
In a message dated 2/11/99 7:33:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com
writes:
<< Is the name of the green one
dickhead?
>>
Well, he prefers to be known as Richard Cranium.
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:23:12 +0100
From: "Tube"
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #72
>The actor who played Tinky-Winky, that is, the guy who
>had the balls to get in that stupid suit
You mean to say that there are people inside them?
Tube
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:38:16 EST
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC)
I just have one question about the gay teletubbie.
Since they have televisions for bellies, can they watch or even broadcast
Jerry Falwell or how about Jim Bakker(sp?) ????
What an embarrassment for our country. And right at a time when we're already
embarrassed enough with our philandering, perjuring prez.
- -Michele
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:45:20 EST
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC)
This thread is so hilarious!
Perhaps his name is yanky-wanky!?
(Hope that doesn't offend anyone...) :-)
- -Michele
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:57:10 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com
Subject: Re: Siquombfused
Greg,
Joni at one time was writing her own mythology; it included the
POSALL's (Perhaps our souls are little ladies), MOSALM (Maybe our
souls are little men), and the "goddess", SIQUOMB (She is queen
undisputedly of mind beauty).
I guess the drugs wore off though and she never finished the
concept...
Bob
NP: Tori, "The Waitress"
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Siquombfused
Author: "Cupit; Greg" at fdinet
Date: 2/11/99 6:26 PM
Mark in Seattle signed off with:
Siquomb, indeed!
AAAAaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!
I can bear it no longer!! Please, can someone tell me what IS this
SIQUOMB?!?!?!? Other than the publishing company that Joni used ages
ago, what does it all mean??
A bewildered Tasmanian,
Greg
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:57:21 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC)
> What an embarrassment for our country. And right at a time when we're
already
> embarrassed enough with our philandering, perjuring prez.
>
> -Michele
Can't blame this one on us...It's the Brits who are behind these perverted
little creatures!
I just tuned into a tubbie show. The red one who has the nice tight
ring...is the smallest, red... what an appropriate color and I believe her
name is get this....AAAHHHHHH. which is usually what I express after well
you know......
Marilyn
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:05:42 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC)
I bet you did!! but who cares? That was funny!
MHart16164@aol.com wrote:
> This thread is so hilarious!
> Perhaps his name is yanky-wanky!?
> (Hope that doesn't offend anyone...) :-)
> -Michele
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:26:18 +0100
From: "Winfried Hühn"
Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC)
M & C Urbanski wrote:
> Katie Couric just interviewed Jerry and he was minding his P's and Q's!
> Saying only that his newspaper quoted other sources of this brew-ha ha.
Well, what can you expect from a guy who resides in a town named "Lynchburg",
"Virginia" -- That name alone has got to be a predestination for sexual
perversion :-) , and (this is dead serious now ) only a sexual pervert himself
would be capable of making up such incredible allegations. (i.e. -- putting
the childrens' show in a sexual context at all -- the gay part is just
"normal" discrimination I guess).
> They were showing bits and pieces of the teletubbies in the process of the
> interview. I'm more concerned with the green and red tubbie! The green
> tubbie has a LARGE phallic on his head and the red has a nice tight ring!
> Hummmm... I wouldn't want my little children thinking they can go around
> wearing their genitalia on their heads! Is the name of the green one
> dickhead?
>
ROTFL!
What about the yellow one carrying that zig-zag thing? Is that perhaps a
hidden advertisement for Viagra? I say we must complain to Pfizer at once!
Apart from this all, I do have to say I find these characters rather ugly....
Oh well, at least they seem to be friendly and do not teach violence to our
young ones. One cannot be too worried about the television exposure of
children! Who knows, how many criminals Itchy & Scratchy... er...Tom & Jerry
has produced?
Winfried,
whose addiction to things Celtic & Irish (i.e. red hair and freckles) as well
as Scandinavia (i.e. Sweden) perhaps stem from watching too much Pippi
Longstrumpet? Oh my gosh!
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:43:24 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: Jerry backs down! (NJC)
> What about the yellow one carrying that zig-zag thing? Is that perhaps a
> hidden advertisement for Viagra? I say we must complain to Pfizer at
once!
> Winfried
Winfried,
I think the yellow one is French! Maybe his name is tickler. I get
excited just looking at him! AAAHHHHHHH!
Marilyn
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:58:28 +0100
From: "Winfried Hühn"
Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC)
Folks,
if you wanna have some high-class fun, I suggest you visit the relating page
of the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_276000/276677.stm
On the surface, it is still a neutral news story, but if you read between the
lines and look at the audio links you'll know what they think which is also
what I think and also what most of us think...
Winfried,
sometimes really glad about living in Europe
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:58:24 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking
>Paul I
>NP : picking at my non-guitar >
actually, paul, I always sounded best on an air guitar! *L*
pat
NP: "Little Wing" - Hendrix
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:35:50 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Siquombfused
In a message dated 2/11/99 9:00:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes:
<< Joni at one time was writing her own mythology; it included the
POSALL's (Perhaps our souls are little ladies), MOSALM (Maybe our
souls are little men), and the "goddess", SIQUOMB (She is queen
undisputedly of mind beauty).
I guess the drugs wore off though and she never finished the
concept...
>>
Greg, don't take this personally, but it seems to me that rather than haing
one of our regular list members having tro answer this exact same question AT
LEAST once a month whenever new people join the list, couldn't Les set up a
short multiple-choice quiz that asks about 4 or 5 basic Joni FAQs that every
new member must successfully answer before they can join the list?
I'm not suggesting that anyone be barred from tyhe list. Instead, if they
get give a wrong answer they would get linked to the section of either Les' or
Wally's page where the answer is and they can read it for themselves and then
go back to the quiz armed with the correct answer.
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:39:27 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC)
In a message dated 2/11/99 9:02:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com
writes:
<< Can't blame this one on us...It's the Brits who are behind these perverted
little creatures!
I just tuned into a tubbie show. The red one who has the nice tight
ring...is the smallest, red... what an appropriate color and I believe her
name is get this....AAAHHHHHH. which is usually what I express after well
you know......
Marilyn >>
So translated from the English to American, this creature's name is AFTERGLOW?
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:06:49 -0700
From: Steve Dulson
Subject: Romance Channel (NJC)
Marsha wrote:
>Today on the Romance Channel on cable TV I caught a
>glimpse of the end of a 1991 Orion Pictures produced
>flick
Oh, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha...so this is what your life has
come down to? The Romance Channel? Gone the days we used to
discuss Tolstoy, Joyce, The National Health Service, those
nights in Monte Carlo...sigh... :)
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:14:38 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Klye Eastwood/Joni mention
From: "Hejira"
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:40:18 -0000
Klye Eastwood has just been on the tube over here (UK) talking about what an
honour it was to work with Joni on his album.The show is called the big
breakfast its very colourful and loud.The presenter had to tell the crew who
Joni was as Klye only said Joni the presenter added Mitchell.Sorry didn't
have the video going.See you Kev
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:02:31 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #72
Tube-I didn't know that either I thought they were puppets.
Tube wrote:
> >The actor who played Tinky-Winky, that is, the guy who
> >had the balls to get in that stupid suit
>
> You mean to say that there are people inside them?
>
> Tube
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:10:00 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC)
oh God! Is THAT what Afterglow means? There is a famous American Cock Spaniel
kennel here called AFTERGLOW! I know the man who owns it.
IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/11/99 9:02:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com
> writes:
>
> << Can't blame this one on us...It's the Brits who are behind these perverted
> little creatures!
> I just tuned into a tubbie show. The red one who has the nice tight
> ring...is the smallest, red... what an appropriate color and I believe her
> name is get this....AAAHHHHHH. which is usually what I express after well
> you know......
>
> Marilyn >>
>
> So translated from the English to American, this creature's name is AFTERGLOW?
> Paul I
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:16:21 -0800
From: Phyliss Ward
Subject: Re: Joni comparisons
Hi Peter
As Paul indicated, it is difficult to recommend an album of Joni's for you to
listen to. One reason is because her style has changed dramatically over the
years. In fact, that is one thing that is distinctive about Joni, she is
constantly changing! Perhaps if you described your band's music a bit it would
help to recommend an album that matches. Are you "folky" or "jazzy"? What
instruments are involved? etc... Odds are that it is reminescent of some of
her older work, as that is more widely known, but you never know. Another
recommendation would to pick up copies of her Hits and Misses CD's which
contain music spanning her carreer.
Peter De Baets wrote:
> Hi, my name is Peter, and I play guitar in a band called The Painted iD.
> I'm a member of this list because we keep getting compared to Joni (we have
> a female lead singer - Tori), and, well, I don't know that much about her.
> Musically anyway. I've heard "Cherokee Louise" and I thought it was great.
> I'm wondering if there is somewhat of a concensus on the list as to what
> are her 3 best albums? I'd like to see if these comparisons are valid.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter De Baets
>
> The Painted iD / Fox Street Records
> http://www.thepaintedid.com/
> http://www.mp3.com/thepaintedid - mp3 music
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:24:54 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC)
Marilyn writes ...
> As far as I know it's only us Catholics
>that do real wine, don't lump us in with Mr. Jerry!
Don't know if this is universally true, but the First Episcopal Church
in Dallas, TX used to use dry sherry for communion wine in my childhood.
This, of course, prompted all of us to refer to them as "the
Whiskey-palians" ...
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:28:11 -0800
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if you have ever owned a cat...these are brilliant!:)
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Cat Haiku
You never feed me.
Perhaps I'll sleep on your face.
That will show you.
I need a new toy.
Tail of black dog keeps good time.
Pounce! good dog! good dog!
The rule for today:
Touch my tail, I shred your hand.
New rule tomorrow.
In deep sleep hear sound
Cat throwup hairball somewhere
Will find in morning
Grace personified,
I leap into the window.
I meant to do that.
Blur of motion, then --
Silence, me, a paper bag.
What is so funny?
You're always typing.
Well, let's see you ignore my
Sitting on your hands.
My small cardboard box.
You cannot see me if I
Can hide my head.
Terrible battle.
I fought for hours. Come and see!
What's a 'term paper'?
Small brave carnivores
Kill pine cones and mosquitoes
Fear vacuum cleaner
Want to trim my claws?
Don't even think about it!
My cries will wake dead.
I want to be close
To you. Can I fit my head
inside your armpit?
Wanna go outside.
Oh, no! Help! I got outside!
Let me back inside!
Oh no! Big One
has been trapped by newspaper!
Cat to the rescue!
Humans are so strange.
Mine lies still in bed, then screams!
My claws aren't that sharp ...
Litter box not here
You must have moved it again
I'll crap in the sink.
We're almost equals
I purr to show I love you
Want to smell my butt?
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:42:02 -0400
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Joni comparisons
I listened to their mp3 and it is very Court and Spark. The first
opening sounds like Free Man In Paris or live Carey.
Jerry
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:14:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)"
Subject: tink-winky (NO JC)
Well you can imagine this thread on other lists. From one I'm active on:
Several magazines have picked up the phenomena of gay folks liking T-W.
Gay people have many "icons"...Judy Garland, Barbra Streisand, Tracy
Chapman, Xena...are they going to take all of them away or what? They
just don't understand our extreme need for campy little icons. The best
moment on GMA this morning was when the US distributor of the Teletubby
show held his head while Jerry Falwell was blathering on...and Katie
Couric chimed in with"Well, we have to go now"..she was almost ready to
collapse in gails of laughter at Mr. Jerry...
Bonita
"If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done at the library?"
Lily Tomlin
Jerry
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:41:38 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: jmdl Entrance Exam
Since some on the list are getting a little bent out of shape answering
questions from newer members, and are in fact, suggesting a quiz to
qualify for list membership, I've taken the liberty of composing a few
questions that I think would help ...
1. Which of the following topics would be considered "NJC"?
A. Politics
B. Religion
C. Sexuality
D. All of the above
E. None of the above
2. The "real" title of Joni's first album is ...
A. Joni Mitchell
B. Song To A Seagull
C. A or B
D. First A then B
E. First B then A
3. "Not To Blame" is a true story based on Joni's stormy relationship
with singer-songwriter Jackson Browne.
A. True
B. False
4. "Clouds" is ...
A. A song title
B. An album title
C. Joni's first band
D. The name of Joni's Parker Fly guitar
E. None of the above
5. Which of the following artists has Joni NOT been romantically liked
to at some point in her career?
A. James Taylor
B. David Crosby
C. Larry Klein
D. Little Richard
E. None of the above
There, it's a start! ;-)
Don Rowe
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:04:13 -0500
From: "Laurie Reifel"
Subject: Re: Mingus
>
>
> < and WTRF. The earth just doesn't move with those three, are they just not so
> good or is it me again? Any thoughts, some counselling would be welcome?>>
Do you listen to Charles Mingus at all? I wonder if maybe a couple of listens to "Mingus Mingus Mingus" might make the earth move for you on
"Mingus"? Just a thought. I do like Mingus (the album) but prefer JM albums that I can sing along to straight through!
Laurie
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:57:32 -0500
From: Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org
Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #71
I believe the Cybill Shepherd movie someone mentioned in which "The Circle
Game" is sung is called "Married to It" --1993.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:01:43 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com
Subject: Re: jmdl Entrance Exam
Don said:
<>
Hey Don,
I was the one to answer the Siquomb question this morning, and I had
no problem in doing it...the logical step of "welcoming" someone new
to the list/digest is helping to bring them up to speed on a couple
things, answer some questions, etc. Let's face it - we were *all*
newbies at some time...plus if you're on digest, which is how most
folks start, you get this "Siquomb" message every day with no clue as
to what it means...
But further to what Paul said, it *would* be helpful if we could add
to the message one gets when one subscribes (the "tolerance,
tolerance" message) to include a definition of Siquomb and also "NP".
That seems to be the main FAQ. If there was a separate FAQ, folks
might go it & might not. I would like to see an FAQ be an automatic
attachment to the original message.
It's just a suggestion - in the meantime, I don't get bent out of
shape at all answering newer members questions because so many have
been so kind to me thus far...
PS - I enjoyed the quiz, I thought it was very clever...
Bob
NP: Joni talking about Stravinsky...
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:02:18 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: jmdl Entrance Exam
> Since some on the list are getting a little bent out of shape answering
> questions from newer members, and are in fact, suggesting a quiz to
> qualify for list membership, I've taken the liberty of composing a few
> questions that I think would help ...
Would this qualify me for graduate school? I'm not taking any tests unless
there is something in it for me! Like money!!
Marilyn
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:12:51 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: jmdl Entrance Exam
Marilyn wonders ...
>Would this qualify me for graduate school?
I don't see why not ... you'd graduate as a PhDJ (Joni Discography
Doctorate), or an MAJ (Masters and Joni), or a JMD (Joni Minutae
Director), or even a JMDL (Joni Master of Devastating Lyrics) ... I say
go for it!
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:12:51 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC)
Winfried referred us:
>Folks,
>if you wanna have some high-class fun, I suggest you visit the relating
page
>of the BBC:
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_276000/276677.stm
Thanks, Winfried - this is hilarious and there are links to Teletubbies
sites. I never knew they were so cute! Here's Tinky's official bio from
the site:
"Tinky Winky is the biggest Teletubby. He is purple. He has a special song
he loves to sing to himself. 'Pinkle Winkle Tinky Winky, Pinkle Winkle Tinky
Winkly'. Tinky Winky loves walking, marching, dancing and falling over.
Tinky Winky's favourite thing is his special red bag. Tinky Winky loves big
hugs best of all."
Me, too, Tinky! ;-)
Kakki
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:37:41 -0600
From: Roger.G.Urban@ucm.com
Subject: Best JM videos?
It must have been about 20 years ago when I first saw Joni on TV singing.
What a voice! Sounding like she could control it in an 8 octave range.
One of my favorite Joni songs is "Cold Blue Steel". Is it available on
video/laserdisk/DVD ?
Also, what video do you like?
I've looked and looked in the stores but never see anything on her.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:51:03 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: Romance Channel (NJC)
>
>Oh, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha...so this is what your life has
>come down to? The Romance Channel? Gone the days we used to
>discuss Tolstoy, Joyce, The National Health Service, those
>nights in Monte Carlo...sigh... :)
Well, Stevie and everyone, what's a girl to do when she
gets too hot and bothered with Tinky Winky impure thoughts?
I turned the channel to cool down...
Marsha, trying to find the public stock offering on those
little critters and smells big gains for that segment of
the toy market
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:59:40 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #71
Thanks, Frank and Jill T (prvt) for answering my question!
Marsh
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>
>To: joni@smoe.org
>Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 3:01 PM
>Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #71
>
>
>>I believe the Cybill Shepherd movie someone mentioned in which "The Circle
>>Game" is sung is called "Married to It" --1993.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:35:46 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC)
heather - you never fail to kill me. but hey! this teletubby "controversy"
is a GOOD thing (yes martha, yes) because jerry falwell has succeeded in
making himself the laughing stock of the nation, if not the world, and i don't
know about you, but i am enjoying that IMMENSELY!!! i swear, on his
appearance on the TODAY show this morning, which i made myself late for work
just to watch (and hoot over) i detected just a teensy bit of tightening
around the corners of his smug, cornfed mouth, (or is it KORNFED?) that even
his years of practice could not disguise. i don't think jerry LIKES being a
laughing stock, which makes it even more gratifying to observe. or maybe he
just wasn't quite so snug in his bible belt dreams, poor dear.
and now representative tom delay is starting to twist in the wind. along with
the rest of the conservative republicans... oh payback is such a sweet little
bitch!
i am going to jamaica on sunday for a week in sunny negril, (it just BETTER be
sunny!) so if i don't make another appearance on the list between now and
then, i will sign off to this little community with a smile. see you all upon
my return, when i post again from walpole state prison, but colin is going to
bake me a cake with a big tube of KY jelly inside, so i am not worried!
push those recline buttons down listers!!!
love and peace to all, RIC!!!
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:00:56 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: Romance Channel (NJC)
> Marsha, trying to find the public stock offering on those
> little critters and smells big gains for that segment of
> the toy market
Marsha,
OOOOOOOOO forget the furbys! I think you're right on this one!
Marilyn
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:56:41 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: jmdl Entrance Exam
In a message dated 2/11/99 2:44:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dgrowe@hotmail.com writes:
<< 2. The "real" title of Joni's first album is ...
A. Joni Mitchell
B. Song To A Seagull
C. A or B
D. First A then B
E. First B then A >>
Actually, this one, the one about SIQUOMB, the romantically linked one and one
more would probably cover it.
Very nice, though I'm not sure you submitted this with your tongue anywhere
but in cheek.
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:49:25 EST
From: MDESTE1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Romance Channel (NJC)
Hey Marsha, why stop with tinky winky, depending on how "hot and bothered" you
are you can apply for a job at the White House. There is an opening by all
news accounts. :)
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:24:29 -0500
From: "Eric Taylor"
Subject: Re: Siquombfused
Bewildered Tasmanian Greg spins:
<>
Well I always thought it meant: She Iridescently Quivers Undulating Over
My Brow....
E.T.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:29:59 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: Romance Channel (NJC)
- -From: MDESTE1@aol.com
>Hey Marsha, why stop with tinky winky, depending on how "hot and bothered" you
>are you can apply for a job at the White House. There is an opening by all
>news accounts. :)
!
You mean Hillary has kicked Bill out of the House and has changed the locks?
Thanks, Mr. Modest...
I'm flattered you would think of me occupying the vacancy!
Marsha, humming "Hail to the Chieftess"
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:15:30 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Natalie Merchant/John Kelly concert
Did anyone in SoCal attend this concert last night at Universal
Amphithreatre? I'd love to hear a review of it.
Famed L.A. DJ and huge Joni fan Nicole Sandler was talking about it today on
the radio. She said that she thought John *was* Joni at first.
Kakki
NP: Things are Gettin' Better - Sons of Champlin
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:01:07 +1100
From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson
Subject: Korn (NJC and Long... I got pissed off)
Look I don't mean to completely decimate this band but I just find them
too "user friendly"... the video clips are like magazine advertisements
for what is considered a fashionable alternative lifestyles! To me them
and Marilyn Mason are just rehashing a genre without necessarily
creating a new sound. Borrowing sounds and adding distortion or writing
brutal lyrics with the word f*#k in it doesn't make it new.
Sorry, all this new wave of aggressive bands who play three chords and
then howl over the top thinking their some sort of banshee just raises
my hackles.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being media friendly or having
a strong visual image in the music world but if that's all you are then
that's not music.
I watched the Letterman show when he interviewed "Marilyn" and asked him
'why' he acted the way he does?
Answer: He wants to put the fun back into rock n' roll!
Please, how trite. All he is doing is mimicking Alice Cooper, King
Diamond, Kiss and many other acts who utilised bizarre imagery, gothic
overtones, larger than life personas and controversial statements to add
life to their music. I don't mean to generalise but lately alot of
these bands act as if they are the first and only ones to ever approach
music in an angry way. It just aggravates me that they never
acknowledge their influences.
Also I wouldn't call Korn dissonance just distortion.
There are many excellent aggressive bands out there who have integrated
rap, punk, funk and even opera into their music. Check out any prog
band! My suggestion is... for fun try Anthrax (not the disease). For
aggression try Tool or Rollins. For complex cacophony that thunders at
your mind and then tames your soul try King Crimson. For gothic melody
with elements of sexual frippery try Danzig. For that eastern
extravaganzas with thundering guitars try The Tea Party.
Just for fun listen to any old metal band. With their rolling bass
lines, pounding drumbeats, ripping guitar sounds and soaring vocals they
really create anthems that make your blood race and want to conquer the
world.
My suggestion is this: Research. I love metal. I even love that glam
era when Poison strutted their stuff and wore more make up than me. It
was all fun but I didn't call it quality. Perhaps that's where the
distinction lies. If you want quality you'll find it but don't confuse
it with the Spice Girls... who make me laugh as they rake in the money
and have a great time doing it!
Please excuse my ranting, it's just that I get all worked up over this
subject. I refrained from the Nirvana thread because that too I
disagreed with (sorry Marianna). We all feel that the bands we love
change the face of music. Some do and some don't. I do agree that they
impacted on the scene but was it necessarily good? People covering your
music also doesn't give it credence... Spice Girls covered Gary
Glitter... didn't help his career or legitimize his music... :-)
I shall stop now before this becomes a crusade... then I shall have to
make speeches often, get embroiled in a scandal of sorts and die a
humiliating public death. I shall then live my life out on the talk
show circuit wearing the same old clothes as I did when I was an icon!
Vanessa who thought Motley Crue hung the stars when she was 15! (Turned
out they just hung out their asses!)
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