From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #71 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 071 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Guitar picking [Howard Wright ] Re: cactus tree... ["P. Henry" ] Re: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Can the Korn, please! (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: Cooking up our best recipes (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Can the Korn, please! (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Ramblin' on [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Re[2]: Cooking up our best recipes (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Can the Korn, please! (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #70 [PJTJOY@aol.com] Re: joni lyric story for Marilyn [MHart16164@aol.com] Speaking Of Drugs... [Steve Dulson ] Korn (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re[2]: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Ramblin' on ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Re[2]: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] food is the best facelift! ["paul tyrer" ] Re: More on Joni painting [dsk ] Re: Ramblin' on (NJC, really) ["Don Rowe" ] Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Joni's guitar picking [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Fwd: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Fwd: Guest Review Approved [picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith)] OH NO!!!! [picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith)] Little Teeny Joni Story [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Guest Review Approved ["Marsha" ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [KerriLynn@aol.com] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [catman ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [catman ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Ramblin' on ["Steve Powell" ] Circle Game minutia ["Marsha" ] Re: Cholera [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) [catman ] (NJC) Re: Cholera ["Marsha" ] NJC:IT'S TRUE!!!!!!! [catman ] Joni Mentions in Elektra Book [RMuRocks@aol.com] RE: the four temperaments (was Cholera) njc [patrick leader Subject: Re: Joni's Guitar picking From: CarltonCT@aol.com: >On the STAS thread, I'd be interested in hearing more from other guitar >players about Joni's picking. I think that on many of those earliest >songs, the picking is the most complex and some of the most difficult to >do while singing. It also seems to me that Joni's modern guitar style >is pared down, that what she does now is a kind of combination of >strumming and picking. Exactly! The guitar picking on STAS is very detailed. To make the songs work, you pretty much have to hit every note and every string exactly right. Her later style (lets say her post C&S style) uses much broader strokes - she picks some notes out on individual strings, but she tends to do small strums, hitting groups of strings together. It's a more free style - you can vary the strums and rhythms a little, and the song works in much the same way. I don't think you can vary the STAS guitar parts much before they start to sound quite different. There are similar patterns in her art work. In the cover of STAS there are loads and loads of fine details, patterns drawn in fine lines etc. Her later artwork doesn't try to pack in so much fine detail. Look at the cover of C&S for example - much broader strokes are used to convey the impression she was after. >I noticed that on the Pay Per View that some of the songs she performed >were not picked at all, and were very simplified versions. I was >wondering if anyone knew why she has streamlined her style. I can't >imagine that she has lost her dexterity, judging from the detail of her >painting. I don't think she has streamlined her style - it just changed over the years, so it's natural for her to play her early material in her "late period" guitar style. It's true that she doesn't do any finely detailed finger picking any more, but she has developed a very rich style using these broader strokes. And rhythmically, her style has got stronger and stronger. Her picking packs an incredible swing at time (Turbulent Indigo, Harlem in Havana, Cherokee Louise). Her earlier guitar work is rhythmically much more straight forward. Me - I prefer her later guitar style, no question! "They ain't never gonna know where 1 is!" Howard ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Just when you're thinking you've finally got it made Bad news comes knocking at your garden gate Joni Mitchell ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:42:36 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: cactus tree... > Pat wrote a novella and then said: > ><ok?>> (LoL @ 'novella'!) then bob said: > Pat, no hurry, thanks for this detailed and informative post...you broke your string of NJC! :~D >> 'bout time, no? *G* > PS - I went to your homepage...does anybody else think you bear a strong resemblance to Wolfman Jack? :^D >> as it says there, I am, in fact, called 'wolf' in some circles... but then, of course, *I* look at it more like ol' jack resembled me! LoL! pat NP - "Love Has No Pride" - Bonnie Raitt http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:52:57 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) In a message dated 2/10/99 1:49:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Finally! I've been lamenting for years the fact that kids these days got the short end of the stick for not having any music that really pisses off their parents. >> Oh, Lori, Lori, Lori!!! Come spend a day with me and my three teenage boys (and their 10 year old teen-wanna-be brother!) You will hear enough music you piss you off for a decade! LOL! Hugs, Ashara {who is still here in the shadows for the time being, enjoying every JC, LJC, VLJC, and NJC that runs through her computer} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:08:10 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) > Finally! I've been lamenting for years the fact that kids these days got the > short end of the stick for not having any music that really pisses off their > parents. > > I will have to go out and find some Korn immediately so I'll know when it's > time to complain. What do they sound like? Please tell me they don't do rap; > I already despise almost all of that. > > Lori, feeling every bit of 40 in > San Antonio No rap. How do I explain. Well the guitars sound like... if you laid an electric guitar down on the floor, turned up all the volume stuff and the let 3 cats have a fight on top of it. The drums sound like an angry psychotic in primal therapy. The singer gargles with drano. It's noise shear noise and it hurts my spine! However, to their credit...they do a remake of Cheech & Chong's "mama, papa talkin' to me tell me how to live, but I don't listen to 'em cuz my head is like a sieve" It's the only song they do that has any semblance of music. My daughter just informed me that the drummer IS an angry psychotic. Marilyn with a headache ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:54:44 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) Marilyn was dealing with: <> Yes, Marilyn, Korn is the group that was given to this generation so that ours could yell the classic "Turn that crap down"!! :~D Bob, who would rather have to eat Brussel Sprouts than listen to Korn... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:36:13 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Cooking up our best recipes (NJC) Marilyn said: <> Yes, Marilyn, we know how much you have to "eat Crow"... Caw, Caw, Caw!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:54:44 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) Marilyn was dealing with: <> Yes, Marilyn, Korn is the group that was given to this generation so that ours could yell the classic "Turn that crap down"!! :~D Bob, who would rather have to eat Brussel Sprouts than listen to Korn... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:43:10 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Ramblin' on Steve rambled: <> No prob, Steve...many here also put those at the bottom of their preference list while others put them at the top - how dull this would be if we had the same opinions of her work, no? So, no counseling for your take on Joni required. Hopefully through your stay here you'll find the inspiration to revisit these works, listen to them with a new ear and find some hidden treasure!! <> Could be you heard it when it originally came out as the flip side of "You Turn Me On..., or you could've heard one of the many cover versions of the tune earlier on - or maybe you're just blessed with strange powers :~) Bob Quote for the day: "Talk is cheap because the supply is greater than the demand" - Shelby Friedman . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:43:43 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cooking up our best recipes (NJC) > > Marilyn said: > > <> > > Yes, Marilyn, we know how much you have to "eat Crow"... > > Caw, Caw, Caw!! > > Bob CRUEL!!! How cruel!!!! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:43:33 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: joni lyric story for Marilyn Thinking about my recent "broken heart" I felt inspired to pull this compilation of joni lyrics with the exception of my words in parentheses. I'm dedicating it to Marilyn because she is the master of lyric games and it was her idea anyway. I'm sitting in some café-a defector from the petty wars. It's so hard to obey his sad request for me to kindly stay away. I wish he was here tonight. His eyes were the color of the sand and the sea and the more he talked to me the more he reached me. He's a real good talker. He saw my complications and he mirrored them back simplified. We laughed how our perfection would always be denied. I gave him clothes and jewelry. I gave him my warm body. I gave him power over me. (This) love's a repetitious danger you'd think I'd be accustomed to. (But) I crashed into his arms. It was just a false alarm. The rain slammed hard as bars. It fell from midnight skies and drummed on the galvanized. It caught me by surprise and shook me down. I'm waiting-debating my sentence, biding my time in memories. Tonight the shadows had their say. Their sad notions of the way things really are. Damn these blues! In the washroom, women tracked the rain up to the makeup mirror. Liquid soap and grass and Jungle Gardenia crash on pinesol and beer. It's stifling in here. I'm going outside to get some air. "Come down from the neon lights. Run down till the rain delights you." I heard it in the wind. (And) where are you now? Are you in some hotel room? Does it have a view? Are you caught in a crowd or holding some honey that came on to you? It hurts but something survives. I'd still like to see you sometime. I get that feeling that I want to settle and raise a child up with somebody. But it passes like the summer. Everything comes and goes. (I'm) breaking like the waves at Malibu. Hands that cast wishes that sunk like a stone. My dreams with the seagulls fly, out of reach, out of cry. I can't find my goodness. I lost my heart. Oh sour grapes because I lost my heart. - -Michele NP: mpeople: just for you ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:54:44 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) Marilyn was dealing with: <> Yes, Marilyn, Korn is the group that was given to this generation so that ours could yell the classic "Turn that crap down"!! :~D Bob, who would rather have to eat Brussel Sprouts than listen to Korn... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:40:43 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: joni lyric story for Marilyn > Thinking about my recent "broken heart" I felt inspired to pull this > compilation of joni lyrics with the exception of my words in parentheses. I'm > dedicating it to Marilyn because she is the master of lyric games and it was > her idea anyway. > -Michele > NP: mpeople: just for you Betsy's blue, she says-"Tell me something good!" You know I'd help her out if I only could. Be your own best friend tonight. Kiss off that flaky-valentine! (Lots of other fish in the sea). Anyone will tell you just how hard it is to make and keep a friend. You know it never has been easy. Don't interrupt the sorrow, written on your spirit this sad song. It always seems so righteous at the start, when there's so much sweetness in the dark. You're always disappointed, nothing seems to keep you high. Lesson in survival, there's no one to blame, no there's no one to name as a traitor here. Don't sweat it. Start right in right now trying to forget it. Be Cool! You can crawl-you CAN fly too, it all comes down to you! Just remember...There's comfort in melancholy when there is no need to explain! Wrap yourself in Joni! Peace, Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:42:34 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) > Marilyn was dealing with: > > < neck muscles and twists!>> > > Yes, Marilyn, Korn is the group that was given to this generation so that ours > could yell the classic "Turn that crap down"!! :~D > > Bob, who would rather have to eat Brussel Sprouts than listen to Korn... BOB....I think your button is stuck!!!! Caw Caw Caw!! he he he! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:54:44 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) Marilyn was dealing with: <> Yes, Marilyn, Korn is the group that was given to this generation so that ours could yell the classic "Turn that crap down"!! :~D Bob, who would rather have to eat Brussel Sprouts than listen to Korn... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:13:46 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) > Bob, who would rather have to eat Brussel Sprouts than listen to Korn... > OK I, get it now. Your repeated posts are supposed to be as annoying as KORN themselves! good one! It works! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:18:31 EST From: PJTJOY@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #70 You know, I somehow got lost from the list, and then you assisted me in getting back on. Now I only receive emails from you (which is lovely and I appreciate it). Did I do something wrong when I signed up again? Thanks for your help! Pam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:18:34 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: joni lyric story for Marilyn I should have known you'd have a great reply to my post. Thanks for the advice-- Consider myself wrapped and rapt in Joni. Michele NP: In my head--a chair in the sky (mingus) ...next time I'll be better, bigger.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:47:10 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Speaking Of Drugs... Speaking of drugs, I must have been on some when I posted about JT being on the page opposite "Cold Blue Steel" in the FTR songbook. As Irish Philip pointed out, it ain't so. The JT painting is on page 3, opposite the lyrics to "FTR". Sorry. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:50:52 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Korn (NJC) Here's a review of Korn's first album from http://www.allmusic.com/ : With little publicity, radio play or MTV exposure, Korn took their eponymous 1995 debut to platinum status. Like all unexpected successes, it's easier to understand its popularity in retrospect. Although they disdain the "metal" label, there's no question that Korn is among the vanguard of post-grunge alt-metal outfits. Borrowing from Jane's Addiction, Rage Against the Machine, Pantera, Helmet, Faith No More, Anthrax, Public Enemy and N.W.A, Korn developed a testosterone-fueled, ultra-aggressive metal-rap hybrid. They're relentless, both in their musical attack and in lead singer Jonathan Davis' bleak, violent lyrics. Tales of abuse and alienation run rampant throughout the record. It's often disturbing and, to some ears, even offensive, but their music can have a cathartic effect that makes up for their vulgarity and questionable laspes in taste. It's a powerful sound and one that actually builds on the funk-metal innovations of the late '80s/early '90s instead of merely replicating them. -- Stephen Thomas Erlewine, All-Music Guide I've never to my knowledge heard Korn but have been intrigued by them for a while. I like all of the bands mentioned in this review and count a couple among my absolute faves, so I may just check Korn out. Hey, I'm not 40 yet. ;-) - --Michael NP: Guru, _Jazzmatazz Vol. 2_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:40:01 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) > Bob, who would rather have to eat Brussel Sprouts than listen to Korn... > OK I, get it now. Your repeated posts are supposed to be as annoying as KORN themselves! good one! It works! Marilyn Marilyn - It's not me - this message, which I too am sick of, has been "Dulson-ized"(longtime listers should understand)...hopefully it's done orbiting the planet and attacking...if not, 1-2-3 delete, and my apologies... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:54:47 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Ramblin' on Hello Steve, and welcome to the fray! Not that I'm a Joni apologist who thinks everything she does is great ... but I've had to ride to the defense of DED before, so I'll fill you in as best as my failing memory can, and tell you why I happen to think both of these albums are "still belong" in the Joni firmament. I'm thinking that part of why DED "doesn't move the earth" has to do with geography. I'm assuming that you're joining our ever-growing UK wing as I say this ... and DED is profoundly 1980s American in its approach to politics, religion and sex (in the jargon du jour!). Only "Lucky Girl" has that familiar Joni confessional resonance. Others on the jmdl have commented that Joni's voice is "strained", "strident" or even "out of tune" on the album. I contend that the vocal style perfectly suits the "strident" material of the songs themselves ... imagine how absurd it would have been if Joni had tried to sing "The Three Great Stimulants" as if it were "Let the Wind Carry Me". Still others just don't like all the synthesizers (out of habit, I suspect) ... but I'm a keyboard player, so that suits me just fine. I'm glad to have DED as a shining example of how eloquently electronic instruments can be used to create texture without "eating the song." I think a lot of the lyrical commentary on the album is very tightly focused. "Big Yellow Taxi" doesn't pack nearly as much punch as, say "Fiction" or "Tax Free", if you're willing to accept the premise that all three are protest songs. One of the most devastatingly effective programming choices on any Joni album is on DED -- with "Ethiopia" sandwiched in between "Shiny Toys" and "Impossible Dreamer." Talk about stark contrast to bring home your point! Hope this helps, and again -- welcome! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:03:06 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Can the Korn, please! (NJC) > OK I, get it now. Your repeated posts are supposed to be as annoying as > KORN themselves! good one! It works! > Marilyn > > Marilyn - It's not me - this message, which I too am sick of, has been > "Dulson-ized"(longtime listers should understand)...hopefully it's > done orbiting the planet and attacking...if not, 1-2-3 delete, and my > apologies... > > Bob I liked my explanation better but, I think we're in the toilet zone! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:34:59 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Cholera Azeem said: Marsha said: Maybe Azeem has ring around the Cholera! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:57:29 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: food is the best facelift! Eric Taylor wrote: GARLIC APPLE PIE Use your favorite recipe only replace half the apples with elephant garlic. Top with olive-cured sun-dried tomatoes. I promise you won't be sorry! E.T. Paul says: You gotta be joking! Incidentally, on the cookbook front, has anyone contributed , or ? If not, here goes: Serves two divorcing musicians Fry an onion and a garlic clove in butter and olive oil till soft. Chop 2-3 lge swiss chard leaves into smallish pieces and add to the onion mixture, fry till white parts of chard are translucent-ish. Meanwhile, boil pasta - penne or other tube pasta is good - till cooked. Add lots of black pepper to the chard mixture. Drain pasta, stir into chard mix and serve immediately. Lots of fresh parmesan is the essential topping. Red chilli oil/green tabasco/salt/lemon slices are all good extras. - as above, but substitute 10 sorrel leaves for the chard. And no lemon this time. I'm a vegetarian, so I'll have to pass on that one! And no-one mention , etc. Does anyone know the recipe for that HoSL vegan classic - ? PX NP - God Give Me Strength, Burt n Elivs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:48:15 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: More on Joni painting Kate Tarasenko wrote: > > If Joni pretends not to be hurt by receiving belated accolades from the > music biz (including financial rewards) -- and part of this pretension > is saying that it's not as important to her as something else she loves > to do -- then she's being defensive, but this isn't necessarily a bad > thing. I don't think she means to diminish her fans' appreciation... Kate, Many good comments here, but I like this one especially because even though it's pure speculation, it fits. The interviews also included Joni expressing her anger at the music business. Plus there have been so many stories from JMDLers who've met her describing how gracious she is, it's hard to believe she has no respect for her fans. Claiming her music is not where her heart is does sounds like protection to me, now that you mention it. DS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:34:10 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Ramblin' on (NJC, really) Hello Lori, and good to hear back from you! You wrote ... >And while the lyrics certainly comment on American politics, what >U.S. leaders were doing in the '80s had a profound effect upon the >rest of the world, especially Europe and Africa. Thanks for the international perspective. I just suppose that the rank materialism of songs like "Shiny Toys" and "Impossible Dreamer" will for me, forever be tied to the "yuppie" set in their rented Black Forest wheels and endangered species briefcases ... the most visible symptom of the disease of "trickle-down" economics. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:38:56 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) greetings listers. have not read my mail today yet, so i don't know if anyone else has already passed this info along, but for such a dire threat, multiple alerts might be in order. this morning on the news i heard that the reverend jerry falwell has issued a warning to members of the moral majority, alerting them to the fact that he thinks one of the teletubbies might be gay. according to jerry, while one of them (sorry, i can't remember the name of the offending tubbie) speaks in a boy's voice, he ALSO CARRIES A PURSE (the horror! the horror!) and sports a pink triangle, "a common symbol of homosexuality." the producers of the popular show called mr. falwell's comments "outlandish" and advised him that "it's not a purse. its a magic bag!!!" katie couric added that it sounded as though mr. falwell "had a little too much time on his hands." personally i think jerry's been dipping into the communion wine again... i have been chuckling all day...no nut like a religious nut... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:47:05 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni's guitar picking There are a few songs that Joni's strumming technique is so complicated I will never learn them: The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey, the fingerpicking songs on STAS and Clouds, etc. When in doubt, I just strum away and in one way or another it sounds good. Marian, Sue (where is she, BTW?) comments? Mark NP-Rainy Night House At 1:31 AM -0500 2/10/99, CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > On the STAS thread, I'd be interested in hearing more from other guitar > players about Joni's picking. I think that on many of those earliest songs, > the picking is the most complex and some of the most difficult to do while > singing. It also seems to me that Joni's modern guitar style is pared down, > that what she does now is a kind of combination of strumming and picking. I > noticed that on the Pay Per View that some of the songs she > performed were not > picked at all, and were very simplified versions. I was wondering if anyone > knew why she has streamlined her style. I can't imagine that she has lost > her dexterity, judging from the detail of her painting. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:55:10 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) ric writes ... >this morning on the news i heard that the reverend jerry falwell has >issued a warning to members of the moral majority, alerting them to >the fact that he thinks one of the teletubbies might be gay. And don't forget that "vile and impudent" Southpark show that he also included in his latest harangue. Hmmm ... just one more reason to watch IMHO -- The Moral Majority -- I love those guys ... nah, screw those guys! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:57:15 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_918683835_boundary Content-ID: <0_918683835@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 99-02-10 16:47:15 EST, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << this morning on the news i heard that the reverend jerry falwell has issued a warning to members of the moral majority, alerting them to the fact that he thinks one of the teletubbies might be gay. according to jerry, while one of them (sorry, i can't remember the name of the offending tubbie) speaks in a boy's voice, he ALSO CARRIES A PURSE (the horror! the horror!) and sports a pink triangle, "a common symbol of homosexuality." the producers of the popular show called mr. falwell's comments "outlandish" and advised him that "it's not a purse. its a magic bag!!!" >> welll... jerry's right for once. 'it's' name is tinky-winky (!!!!????) and it is supposed to be a 'boy' and it carries a 'magic bag' that does look suspiciously like a shiny red clasped purse.. in which he keeps his tubbytoast and he's the ring leader of that sick bunch of saggy butt characters...... but don't tell jerry he's right- OH OH! kisses darling wolfie - --part0_918683835_boundary Content-ID: <0_918683835@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za02.mail.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:47:15 -0500 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA11917; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.204.144]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19985; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id QAA16319; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:45:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id QAA16279 for joni-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id QAA16274 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:44:07 -0500 (EST) From: RickieLee1@aol.com Received: from RickieLee1@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QBCRa03038 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:38:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:38:56 EST To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-joni@smoe.org Reply-To: RickieLee1@aol.com Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit greetings listers. have not read my mail today yet, so i don't know if anyone else has already passed this info along, but for such a dire threat, multiple alerts might be in order. this morning on the news i heard that the reverend jerry falwell has issued a warning to members of the moral majority, alerting them to the fact that he thinks one of the teletubbies might be gay. according to jerry, while one of them (sorry, i can't remember the name of the offending tubbie) speaks in a boy's voice, he ALSO CARRIES A PURSE (the horror! the horror!) and sports a pink triangle, "a common symbol of homosexuality." the producers of the popular show called mr. falwell's comments "outlandish" and advised him that "it's not a purse. its a magic bag!!!" katie couric added that it sounded as though mr. falwell "had a little too much time on his hands." personally i think jerry's been dipping into the communion wine again... i have been chuckling all day...no nut like a religious nut... - --part0_918683835_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:24:59 -0500 (EST) From: picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith) Subject: Fwd: Guest Review Approved - --WebTV-Mail-659963411-64 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi everybody! I told Les about this, but wasn't sure if he was able to forward it on to you. Silly me kept typing in the wrong address! Hope you enjoy it. I'll try to pop in later! Love, Sherelle - --WebTV-Mail-659963411-64 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (207.79.35.92) by postoffice-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:23:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mail.megalocity.com (mail.megalocity.com [207.227.117.2]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id JAA16158; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:23:04 -0800 (PST) From: morrice@jazzreview.com Message-Id: <199901031723.JAA16158@mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net> Received: from 207.227.117.2 [207.227.117.2] by mail.megalocity.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A77E242D007A; Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:23:10 CDT To: picard3@webtv.net Subject: Guest Review Approved Date: 3 Jan 99 11:23:10 -0600 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:23:10 -0600 X-Mailer: Allaire Cold Fusion 3.1 Dear Sherelle Smith: Your Guest Review has been approved for posting, and is now featured on The Jazz Review Web Site. To view your review, please visit us at http://www.jazzreview.com/grev.html And if you haven't already signed our guestbook, please sign in at http://www.jazzreview.com/book.html We appreciate your feedback. Thanks, The Jazz Review "Jazz makes the world go 'round" - --WebTV-Mail-659963411-64-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith) Subject: OH NO!!!! My Joni review has dissappeared! I did a review of Shadows and Light which they printed. Oh woe is me!!!!! I need to keep up with te internet more often. So sorry guys! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:25:42 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Little Teeny Joni Story Hi, When I was paying for my CD purchases today at the local Harmony House (details: Hissing- 2nd copy, Michael Hedges- cuz Marian loves him, Jonatha Brooks-Plumb cuz I love 10 cent wings), the owner started chatting with me about his love for Joni. Bliss! He mentioned that when she was here in Detroit recently, she walked right past his shop, and he went flying out the door to meet her. Since he, too, is a painter, they engaged in some chat about artists they admire. He then asked to hug her, and she sweetly obliged. Next time I go back, I'll get more details about which artists they were talking about. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:39:17 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) >one of the teletubbies might be gay. according to jerry, while one of > them (sorry, i can't remember the name of the offending tubbie) speaks in a > boy's voice, he ALSO CARRIES A PURSE (the horror! the horror!) and sports a > pink triangle, "a common symbol of homosexuality." the producers of the > popular show called mr. falwell's comments "outlandish" and advised him that > "it's not a purse. its a magic bag!!!" >personally i think jerry's been dipping into the communion wine again... > Hey ric, you need to get your information a little clearer! The tubbie IS purple the color of gay pride, I think the triangle is purple too! I resent the communion wine remark! As far as I know it's only us Catholics that do real wine, don't lump us in with Mr. Jerry! ha ha ha Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:05:47 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Guest Review Approved Here is Sherelle's letter from her Jazz Review debut, in case it did not appear. Congrats, Sherelle! Marsha - -----Original Message----- From: morrice@jazzreview.com To: picard3@webtv.net Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 12:23 PM Subject: Guest Review Approved > >Dear Sherelle Smith: > >Your Guest Review has been approved for posting, and is now >featured on The Jazz Review Web Site. To view your review, >please visit us at http://www.jazzreview.com/grev.html > >And if you haven't already signed our guestbook, please sign in at >http://www.jazzreview.com/book.html We appreciate your feedback. > >Thanks, > >The Jazz Review > >"Jazz makes the world go 'round" > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:00:28 EST From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) OKAY... OKAY.... I had to come out of the woodwork for this one.... excuse my language but, JESUS CHRIST... DON'T THESE PEOPLE HAVE ANYTHING MORE IMPORTANT TO CARE ABOUT... (IT'S GOTTA BE THEIR OWN FEAR) gimme a break.... I honestly cant believe that falwell has wasted so much time on this "research"... he does seem to know alot about homosexual likenesses... dont ya think? your favorite lurker.. kerri np: new radicals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:18:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) I wasn't going to say to this, being the shy and retiring type, but the character of Tinky-Winky is based on me. The creator just discovered me one day in the supermarket and asked if I would agree to his modelling a tv character on me. Had I known what would happen..... M & C Urbanski wrote: > >one of the teletubbies might be gay. according to jerry, while one of > > them (sorry, i can't remember the name of the offending tubbie) speaks in > a > > boy's voice, he ALSO CARRIES A PURSE (the horror! the horror!) and > sports a > > pink triangle, "a common symbol of homosexuality." the producers of the > > popular show called mr. falwell's comments "outlandish" and advised him > that > > "it's not a purse. its a magic bag!!!" > > >personally i think jerry's been dipping into the communion wine again... > > > Hey ric, > you need to get your information a little clearer! The tubbie IS purple > the color of gay pride, I think the triangle is purple too! > > I resent the communion wine remark! As far as I know it's only us Catholics > that do real wine, don't lump us in with Mr. Jerry! > ha ha ha > Marilyn - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:19:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) > IMHO -- The Moral Majority -- I love those guys ... nah, screw those > guys! not even with two condoms on! > > > Don Rowe > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:27:33 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) At 04:38 PM 2/10/99 EST, you wrote: >this morning on the news i heard that the reverend jerry falwell has issued a >warning to members of the moral majority, alerting them to the fact that he >thinks one of the teletubbies might be gay. who gives a rats rump if they are gay or not. I thought they were aliens. according to jerry, while one of >them (sorry, i can't remember the name of the offending tubbie) speaks in a >boy's voice, he ALSO CARRIES A PURSE (the horror! the horror!) Yes! The horror! Does he have shoes to match!? and sports a >pink triangle, "a common symbol of homosexuality." the producers of the >popular show called mr. falwell's comments "outlandish" and advised him that >"it's not a purse. its a magic bag!!!" No. I think Fal-f**king-well has been dipping into a "magic bag". my < 0.02 worth. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:52:41 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) I saw this in my paper this morning! It was a riot. His triangle is purple, not pink. As if it mattered anyway! Mark, who thinks all of the Teletubbies are gay yet asexual At 4:38 PM -0500 2/10/99, RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: > greetings listers. have not read my mail today yet, so i don't > know if anyone > else has already passed this info along, but for such a dire threat, multiple > alerts might be in order. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:18:35 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) > > I wasn't going to say to this, being the shy and retiring type, but the > character of Tinky-Winky is based on me. The creator just discovered me one day > in the supermarket and asked if I would agree to his modelling a tv character > on me. Had I known what would happen..... I knew it! When I saw the story and they said the creator was English, I just knew you had something to do with it! I didn't know you were purple with a triangle on your head! I think that's more scary than the gay factor! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:26:42 -0000 From: "Steve Powell" Subject: Re: Ramblin' on - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com To: joni Mail ; Steve Powell Date: 10 February 1999 13:50 Subject: Re: Ramblin' on > >Steve rambled: > ><and WTRF. The earth just doesn't move with those three, are they just not so >good or is it me again? Any thoughts, some counselling would be welcome?>> > >No prob, Steve...many here also put those at the bottom of their preference >list while others put them at the top - how dull this would be if we had the >same opinions of her work, no? So, no counseling for your take on Joni >required. Hopefully through your stay here you'll find the inspiration to >revisit these works, listen to them with a new ear and find some hidden >treasure!! > ><was apparently first released on "Hits"? I lost all my old records & >cassettes after replacing them with CDs but I'm sure it was on one of them. >I could already sing it (sort of) after a few beers.>> > >Could be you heard it when it originally came out as the flip side of "You >Turn Me On..., or you could've heard one of the many cover versions of the >tune earlier on - or maybe you're just blessed with strange powers :~) > > Bob > > Quote for the day: "Talk is cheap because the supply is greater than > the demand" - Shelby Friedman > >Thanks Bob, I will revisit. Another quote: "It's good to talk" - British Telecom advert, - & it's not cheap with them. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:29:34 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Circle Game minutia Today on the Romance Channel on cable TV I caught a glimpse of the end of a 1991 Orion Pictures produced flick with Cybill Shepherd, Ron Silva, Beau Bridges, and others. Sort of a middle-aged crisis theme, where Cybill leaves Ron, and Beau lusts after Cybill much to his wife's dismay. At the end Cybill returns to Ron during a performance at what appears to be at their kid's school, where the junior high schoolers are putting on a play. Their finale is a rendition of Circle Game, with the kids costumed as hippies and singing beautifully. The music continues throughout the rolling credits at the end and Joni is listed first as CG is listed. Does anyone know the name of this movie? Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:48:33 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Cholera John Villasana wrote: > > Azeem said: > Was playing: David Bowie's "Low", helping me get over a mild bout of choler> > > Marsha said: > Surely you are not getting over "cholera"? This is maybe an > interpretation/translation > of flu or such? Otherwise I am afraid we might not hear much more from you > in the future...> > > Maybe Azeem has ring around the Cholera! :-) Ok this bothered me the first time somebody assumed Azeem was refering to a disease. From Websters: choler 1. [obs.] bile: in medieval times yellow bile was considered one of the four humors of the body, and a source of anger & irritability 2. [Now Rare] anger or ill humor. I just figured Azeem was having a bad day. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:56:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Listers Beware!!! (NJC) M & C Urbanski wrote: > > > > I wasn't going to say to this, being the shy and retiring type, but the > > character of Tinky-Winky is based on me. The creator just discovered me > one day > > in the supermarket and asked if I would agree to his modelling a tv > character > > on me. Had I known what would happen..... > > I knew it! When I saw the story and they said the creator was English, I > just knew you had something to do with it! ever thought you might be physic? > I didn't know you were purple with a triangle on your head! I only let people see my purple head when i know them well. never on a first date. > I think that's > more scary than the gay factor! oh I don't know-I think a str8 telly tubby would be more scary-they would breed and then we could get taken over and before you know it there would be laws restricting the rights of purple teletubbies and propaganda about being purple is just not normal and certainly NOT what the Great TeleTubby Creator had intended and we would be told we could stop being purple if we chose to and suddenly there would be no more more purple Tele Tubbies on tv and the colour purple would be forbidden to be spoken about in schools and ...... > > > Marilyn - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:58:53 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: (NJC) Re: Cholera Mark sez: >Ok this bothered me the first time somebody assumed Azeem was refering >to a disease. From Websters: That was me, the nurse, in this season of flu, thinking the worst! >choler 1. [obs.] bile: in medieval times yellow bile was considered one >of the four humors of the body, and a source of anger & irritability >2. [Now Rare] anger or ill humor. > >I just figured Azeem was having a bad day. Well, thanks for the edification, Mark. :-) Marsh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:27:20 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC:IT'S TRUE!!!!!!! I have to say I thought the whole thing was a joke on Ric's part. it was so ridiculous it didn't occur to me that it was true. then i switche don the tv and read the newspaper, which devoted a whole half page to the story. Maybe Mr falwell needs to go to the Betty Ford Clinic or better still, into orbit. And I always thought the 'gay' colour was pink! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:41:53 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Joni Mentions in Elektra Book As promised, I checked out this book from the library, "Follow The Music - The Life and High Times of Elektra Records in the Great Years of American Pop Culture" by Jac Holzman and Gavan Daws. Jac founded Elektra in 1950 at the ripe old age of 19. The book is basically a history as told in interviews with a bunch of folks. There's a couple interesting Joni-mentions: Talking about Tom Rush's "The Circle Game" album, Arthur Gorson says "...the Circle Game album has the first Joni Mitchell songs recorded, the first Jackson Browne songs recorded, and James Taylor. Brand-new material, never heard, by songwriters that weren't really known, beautiful songs." John Haeny, Elektra Studio Engineer: "Joni was living on the next road up from Kirkwood. David Crosby was producing her first album. The people who recorded it were basically incompetent, and the tapes were a mess. David was having serious problems with the mix. I was exclusive to Elektra, but David came to me and asked would I sneak out and remix. We did it in the dead of night in a little studio at Sunset Sound. I didn't have a written contract with Jac, but it was a violation. Years later Jac told me he had always known I did it. He let it go because he knew Joni was important. David gave me a Swiss army knife. I still have it in a box out in the garage." There's more, but that's all I'm typing for now... Bob NP: Seal "No Easy Way" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:16:27 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: the four temperaments (was Cholera) njc i knew what azeem met but i'll bet the usage of choler for ire is more common on that side of the pond. i always loved the old greek theory that health is based on proper regulation of the four 'humours' (fluids) of the body. they were related to the four temperaments as follows blood - sanguinic bile - choleric phlegm - phlegmatic tears - melancholic (i think it's tears) i'm just guessing, but i'll bet cholera killed by interfering with the body's ability to regulate bile. the concept was used in one of the masterworks of the 20th century, balanchine's ballet, 'the four temperaments' patrick, off on a tangent again np - hindemith - the four temperaments ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #71 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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