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JMDL Digest Sunday, February 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 063
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Re: Correction! - Joni songs about Crosby? ["Kakki" ]
Re: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) ["Kakki" ]
joni ["Teresa Ritzert" ]
Damn-o-reetie [Thomas Ross (by way of Les Irvin
Subject: Re: Correction! - Joni songs about Crosby?
Mark D. and I wrote:
>> > I've heard "The Dawntreader" is about him
Reading from Joni's interview in Crosby's biography "Long Time Gone" I stand
corrected. Here's what she says:
{Speaking of her time in Florida} "I was folksinging in Coconut Grove,
Florida, at the Gaslight South. I hadn't made a record yet, but Joe Boyd
had taken me to England with the Incredible String Band and I'd done some
work in little coffeehouses there, I'd come back all Carnaby Street with
false eyelashes, seguined belts, flashed out. David had just purchased the
boat that he loved. I remember being introduced to him and thinking that he
reminded me of Yosemite Sam. I used to secretly call him Yosemite Sam in my
mind. I don't think I ever called him that to his face, but I might have.
He mistakenly thought I wrote 'The Dawntreader' for him and was thinking of
naming his boat 'Dawntreader'. He ended up keeping the original name
'Mayan' which was good because it had a history already. I guess people
identify with songs that you write and think you wrote them just for them.
David was wonderful company and a great appreciator. When it somes to
expressing infectious enthusiasm, he is probably the most capable person I
know. His eyes were like star sapphires to me. When he laughed, they
seemed to twinkle like no one else's and so I fell into his merry company
and we rose bikes around Coconut Grove and the winds were warm and at night
we'd go down and listen to the masts clinking on the pier. It was a lovely
period and soon we bacame romantically involved."
colin asked:
>Has this title any connection with The Voyage Of The Dawntreader, one of
the
>Narnia chronicles by CS Lewis? I loved that whole series when I was child.
Maybe she did. I'm not familiar with this - are there similarities in the
song?
Kakki
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:36:17 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC)
Bob wrote:
> Marvin can't exactly be
> interviewed from the grave.>>
>
>Sure he could, it'd just be an awfully one-sided conversation...:~D Maybe
>since Crosby has had one foot in his own from time to time he could make
>contact! :~D
Actually he got the inspiration for the film/book while recovering from his
liver transplant in 1994.
You just never know who may be included in the film. It was initially
described as a study of music in social activism from the post-Civil War
period through the 1960s and was to include years of concert footage along
with interviews from several artists describing what "activism" means to
them personally. It sounds like a very worthwhile and interesting project to
me. It *may* (and I use that word with trepidation) endear Michael Y. a
little to know that Crosby interviewed Michael Stipe for the film during
last year's Tibetan Freedom Concert ;-)
I do think it would be unfortunate if Joni is not included but, of course,
she has never quite sought to
"label" herself with any term, including "activist", although she has also
helped to bring many social issues into the popular song.
Kakki
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 20:45:52 PST
From: "Teresa Ritzert"
Subject: joni
Greetings fellow Joni-philes,
I've been following you all for a bit of time here and decided to join
in the discussion. For some reason my e-mail will not allow me to Reply
to the digest so I am having to send this as an individual message -
hope it makes it.
Re: songs for James Taylor: The song 'For Free' from "Ladies of the
Canyon" is about JT and how they first met. You are correct about 'See
You Sometime' from "For the Roses", but 'Blonde in the Bleachers' is
about Stephen Stills, not JT.
It is interesting that I've seen no discussion of my favorite JM album
and one of the best of all times albums found in rock, 'Don Juan's
Reckless Daughter'. It was so ahead of its time when it came out that
the critics trashed it, but then 10 years later they hailed it as rocks
greatest album. I loved it from the day it was released in 1977 - my
senior year of high school/freshman year of college. The album is a
double set (as opposed to the cd which contains the songs all on one cd)
and the meaning of each side is lost in the transition to cd format.
DJRD is an album about the life of a relationship - side one is about
meeting and being attracted to one another, side two is about exploring
one another & explaining oneself to the other, side 3 is about the
passion of a relationship in full blossom, & the fourth side is about
the end of a relationship. Brilliant album. Brillian music. Brilliant
lyrics. Joni at her best. I've been listening to this album/cd for 22
years now and I still get something new out of it each time that I play
it...
Glad to join in with you all - glad to be a part of the family!
Resa
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 21:57:02 -0700
From: Thomas Ross (by way of Les Irvin )
Subject: Damn-o-reetie
many thanks for all your contributions! if I don't get a couple songs out
of this I'll be silly.
Damn yankees!
btw ep (winter is icumen in) is Ezra Pound.
buseth stop and sloppeth us,
and ague hath my ham. . . sing goddamn!
but leaven it with his
These faces in the crowd:
petals on a wet, black bough.
I tried some of the Lucinda and don't get it yet, although it's certainly
not typical country. I'll try some more. The voice seems to have a studied
weariness. . .?
tough?
not enough.
other stough?
maybe bough?
wough, wough!
in lough!
Also must to hear the Miseducation, yes? I liked part of a cut I heard.
Shades of Stevie and much more.
ok ready for some 2000yearold xxx-rated troubador lasciviousness by
Bill IX?
tr
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:58:34 EST
From: Ginamu@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni songs about Crosby?
In a message dated 2/6/99 8:15:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Harpua@revealed.net writes:
> I heard that 'The Dawntreader' is about David.
Not sure but the first part of Cactus Tree always reminds me that it may be
about David Crosby, that passionate sailor:
There's a man who's been out sailing
In a decade full of dreams
And he takes her to a schooner
And he treats her like a queen
Bearing beads from California
With their amber stones and green
He has called her from the harbor
He has kissed her with his freedom
He has heard her off to starboard
In the breaking and the breathing
Of the water weeds
While she's so busy being free
Breathtaking lyrics...probably obviously about David Crosby but a nice excuse
for me to revisit them.
Gina
PS.
I'm buzzing with the brilliant music of Gary Burton and Chick Corea whose show
we caught tonight at a beautifully restored old theater, The Calvin, in
Northampton, Massachusetts.
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