From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #60 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, February 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 060 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- cookbook suggestion [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: cookbook suggestion [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Caught out [catman ] Re: noooooooJC! (vljc) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: noooooooJC! (sjc) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Caught out ["M & C Urbanski" ] JMDL cookbook... a plea ["M & C Urbanski" ] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #59 [Louis Lynch ] Re[2]: Damns! (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: Damns! (SJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Re[2]: Damns! (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] RE: Goat dancing videos/songs (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Caught out ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Squeeze NJC [TerryM2442@aol.com] Infiltration (vljc) [Ken Corral ] My first time!! JC [Russell Bowden ] Re: My first time!! JC ["M & C Urbanski" ] P.Henry, NJC & Time Of No Reply (NJC) [simon@icu.com] Re: NoooooooJM [Bounced Message ] (VLJC) - Michael Tomlinson and Kevyn Lettau [Bounced Message ] Re: My first time!! JC ["Kakki" ] Public apology ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: NoooooooJM [catman ] Re: My first time!! JC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] respect... (NJC) ["P. Henry" ] Profile. [Russell Bowden ] Update on Crosby Documentary (No Joni?) ["Kakki" ] Joni PPV Video pre-order now available ["Kakki" ] Re: respect... (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Profile. ["M & C Urbanski" ] 5 stages of ??? (NJC on NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Profile. ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Profile. [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: respect... (NJC) [catman ] Re: Profile. [catman ] throwing off the dogs...(NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: throwing off the dogs...(NJC) [catman ] Re: NJC (NJC :) [DreamZvil@aol.com] Re: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) ["Kakki" ] MEMBERS OF LOST TRIBE OF MITCHELLJONIA FOUND IN LA HIGH RISE [Mark-n-Trav] mick bird [Bounced Message ] Dam! [Leslie Mixon ] No hanky-panky for Hitler-Witler? ["bern.gallagher" > Darn right! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:02:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Caught out Okay, it's time to fess up. Ms Mitchell made some terrible comments about me and I thought my best revenge was to join the JMDL, pretend to be a gay man living in England, and fill the list with NJC, particularly with mails about gay politics(since I knew that would work) and anti Xtian rhetoric(which works even better). But after all this time, I can see I have failed in my mission. For some reason I cannot fathom, you all think that Mitchell woman is great. Maybe I should listen to her albums and see what all the fuss is about. No apologies Alanis - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:36:56 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: noooooooJC! (vljc) > so leave us pat, take your marbles and go play somewhere else. this is the > joni mitchell discussion list, you apparently want the joni mitchell pat > henry is right list. have fun. > > patrick You know, since I posted my outburst, I've gotten private mail with the same statements/questions: suggesting that Mr. Henry is upset that we are not drooling over him. This is the Joni Mitchell Discussion List not the Pat Henry Discussion List. Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:49:30 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: noooooooJC! (sjc) In a message dated 2/5/99 6:40:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << You know, since I posted my outburst, I've gotten private mail with the same statements/questions: suggesting that Mr. Henry is upset that we are not drooling over him. This is the Joni Mitchell Discussion List not the Pat Henry Discussion List. Marilyn >> There may be some truth to that. While I have some mild interest in stories from yesteryear, I am much more interested in what Joni's music today means and what she might be doing next, not what she did in 1969. Personally, I thought some of those questions posed to P. Henry, such as what was her favorite drink and what she was like in 1968 or whenever, to be kind of pointless because I am sure she has grown a lot since then and those answers would be anachronistic. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:02:56 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Caught out > > Okay, it's time to fess up. Ms Mitchell made some terrible comments > about me and I thought my best revenge was to join the JMDL, pretend to > be a gay man living in England, and fill the list with NJC, particularly > with mails about gay politics(since I knew that would work) and anti > Xtian rhetoric(which works even better). But after all this time, I can > see I have failed in my mission. For some reason I cannot fathom, you > all think that Mitchell woman is great. Maybe I should listen to her > albums and see what all the fuss is about. Well since we are fessing up...I joined the list because I was looking for life answers to all my depressing, psychotic problems. LO and BEHOLD...I did! I blame Ms. Mitchell for making me this way with all her depressing music(I think she has subliminal messages in her music & if we listen long enough we become brainwashed). Do you people have the CIA peeking in your windows too? Through all the propaganda on the list, I've decided to leave my husband and children, my Christian religion and republican thinking. (I don't see any problems with married men getting blow jobs from their subordinates...it really is a republican conspiracy!). I'm now turning into a lesbian atheist democrat thanks to this list. Thank you JMDL for helping me see the light! I feel so much better...my life is finally coming together. I'm so glad I joined! NO Colin you have convinced me of the errors of my ways too bad you are not a woman...cuz I'd run away to England (or where ever you really are) and shack up with you...see I'm always falling in love with men, what is wrong with me! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:46:41 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: JMDL cookbook... a plea Hey everybody, we need more recipes for the cookbook! I entered "Breakfast Barney's Bran Muffins" if you have trouble making Joni names to them let me know, I can help! Marilyn Send your recipes to Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 06:18:38 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #59 Damn songs Here are some more damn songs for you: Grateful Dead, Uncle John's Band has the word G-damn in the second verse. Jonathan Edwards, "Sunshine," "He can't even run his own life, I'll be damned if he'll run mine" From Rocky Horror Picture Show, "Dammit Janet" Joan Baez's "Diamonds and Rust," "Well I'll be damned..." Various Celtic artists, "Rolling Down to Old Maui," "It's a damn tough life full of toil and strife..." Jesus Christ Superstar (Judas's song): "Damned for All Time" And of course... Frank Sinatra's High Hopes, "Once there was a silly old ram, thought he'd punch a hole in the dam..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:36:49 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Damns! (NJC) Marsha, in her most sophisticated British accent says: <<"Damn, Damn, Damn....DAMN! I've grown accustomed to her face!" Rex Harrison as Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady>> As long as we're talking Broadway, there's one of my favorites from Rodgers & Hart's "Pipe Dream"...whether you like it or whether you don't, you're stuck with the whole damn bunch. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:47:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Damns! (SJC) Terry mentions: <> I was fortunate enough to catch Koko last year in a small club in town. It was the same day that Rolling Stone arrived with a feature on Blues legends, with of course a nice piece & picture of Ms. Taylor. She put on a great show, she seemed to get into a "zone" where she sang and controlled the flow of the music. Even though you know she's sung these warhorses (Wang Dang Doodle included) a zillion times, she brought a freshness and spontanaity to the show. Her assistant had to keep bringing her fresh tissues so she could mop her brow - the lady was enjoying herself, but Good God, she was working hard! I'm glad I saw her - I caught Junior Wells at the same club and he's no longer with us... Bob NP: BeBe & CeCe Winans, "I'll Take You There" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 06:57:09 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Damns! (NJC) Since the damned thread seems to be taking a stroll down Broadway ... "Now ain't that too damn bad!" - -- "Bloody Mary" from South Pacific :-) Don Rowe >><<"Damn, Damn, Damn....DAMN! >I've grown accustomed to her face!" > Rex Harrison as Professor >Higgins >in My Fair Lady>> > >As long as we're talking Broadway, there's one of my favorites from Rodgers & >Hart's "Pipe Dream"...whether you like it or whether you don't, you're stuck >with the whole damn bunch. > >Bob > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:36:13 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Goat dancing videos/songs (NJC) Winfried wrote about this X-rated song: <<>> I'm honestly not trying to be JMDL police here, but the "official" name of the song is "Sexy M.F." So no beeping necessary. :-) - --Michael NP: Buzzcocks, _Singles Going Steady_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:08:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Caught out > . I'm so glad I joined! NO Colin you have convinced me of > the errors of my ways too bad you are not a woman...cuz I'd run away to > England (or where ever you really are) and shack up with you...see I'm > always falling in love with men, what is wrong with me! everything I dread and everything I fear comes true > > > Marilyn - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 07:17:01 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Caught out Your hearfelt, yet pointed honesty has not only made me laugh my silly ass off for an hour, it's literally changed my life. How could I have been so blind? All those wasted years, living in the body of a str8 man who thought he loved Joni Mitchell. I now see that I was only longing for the release of reconstructive surgery, and investment in the Indigo Girls catalog. I'm a changed man, more so than you might imagine! Thank you! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:04:25 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Squeeze NJC In a message dated 2/5/99 1:43:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, cjenkins@austin.rr.com writes: << I want to say thanks to all our UK friends for sending Squeeze to the states. >> Another Squeeze fan! I saw them here in Detroit about 5 years ago, after having heard and fallen in love with one of their albums. One of my top 10 favorite albums of all time is their Squeeze Play. Check it out. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:35:04 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: Infiltration (vljc) Hi Patrick, You wrote: _________________________________________ patrick, who's been in hog-heaven ever since he got the home-game version of 'the gay agenda'. who'd have thought of infiltrating a music list for an artist i don't even like? _________________________________________ So this has all been a ruse? Boy, the lengths you've gone to to perpetrate your fraud! Imagine flying all the way across the country to see 3 concerts by this artist, then turning around and attending ANOTHER one at MSG, plus several other acts of deceit carefully calculated to leave an impression of extreme interest, even obsession. And I bought it. I looked you right in the eye and traded comments, stories and opinions.... Oh you're crafty! _________________________________________ Now the jc: My PARTNER Steve and I recently acquired a puppy. Her everyday name is "Gracie." Her long, involved AKC name is "Kimberee's Only Joy in Town" (was gonna be "Kimberee's Pocket of Heavenly Grace" but that wouldn't fit.) KenC- Off to see Mavis Staples tonight doing a tribute to Mahalia Jackson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:14:50 -0800 From: Russell Bowden Subject: My first time!! JC Good Day all!! This is my first posting. I have been reading Wally's fantastic website and the JMDL for a couple of months now. Last night while searching for "Both Sides Now" at the San Francisco Public Library, I came across a book by Leonore Fleischer titled "Joni Mitchell....Her Life ...Her Loves....Her Music. It was published in 1976. I couldn't take the book out because it was a Reference! It is a slim volume loaded with great pictures. Since the library was about to close, I was able only to scan it quickly. The author is obviously a BIG fan. (God Bless her!) I am wondering if this has been discussed before, or if its' existence was known by any of you guys. I never did find "Both Sides Now", but based on the review of that book, maybe it's just as well. Love, Russell Bowden NP TTT....Harlem in Havana ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:35:57 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: My first time!! JC - ---------- > From: Russell Bowden > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: My first time!! JC > Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 12:14 PM > > Good Day all!! This is my first posting. I have been reading Wally's > fantastic website and the JMDL for a couple of months now. (SNIP) >I came across a book by Leonore Fleischer titled "Joni > Mitchell....Her Life ...Her Loves....Her Music. It was published in > 1976. I couldn't take the book out because it was a Reference! It is a > slim volume loaded with great pictures. > Love, > Russell Bowden WOW! you must think we're a bunch of looney tunes! Don't let them take over your mind! Anyhow, I've read that book. I can't see why it would be filed under reference but eh.....it's a petty cool book even though it's old. There are tons of pictures as I recall. Marilyn P.S. welcome! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:55:37 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: P.Henry, NJC & Time Of No Reply (NJC) re: a recent post from Pat Henry as well as the current NJC thread. it's certainly *not* up to ME to stifle debate or limit discussion but, hasn't this little Thread run itself into the ground? much has been said, including everything that needed? to be said (IMHO). now i see where someone has the audacity to ask/suggest that Pat take leave of our little community. personally i hope Pat decides to stay with us and continue to participate. i also hope that he has the patience to accept ... A SUGGESTION: the Digest version of the JMDL might be more convenient way to lighten the volume of your mailbox. with the table of contents you get a clear idea of the topics up for discussion at the moment and can easily 'scroll' past the NJC messages that are of no interest. i'm on Digest myself. perhaps it's now ... TIME OF NO REPLY Summer was gone and the heat died down And Autumn reached for her golden crown I looked behind as I heard a sigh But this was the time of no reply. The sun went down and the crowd went home I was left by the roadside all alone I turned to speak as they went by But this was the time of no reply. The time of no reply is calling me to stay There is no hello and no goodbye To leave there is no way. The trees on the hill had nothing to say They would keep their dreams till another day So they stood and thought and wondered why For this was the time of no reply. Time goes by from year to year And no one asks why I am standing here But I have my answer as I look to the sky This is the time of no reply. The time of no reply is calling me to stay There's no hello and no goodbye To leave there is no way. ------------------------- for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:57:19 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: NoooooooJM From: "Gene Mock" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:28:11 -0800 Sometimes, I think you guys take yourselves much too seriously. Whatever happen to LOL? Besides, so what if you have to go through a hundred oysters to find a pearl, it's worth it. Love you all gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 10:56:43 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: (VLJC) - Michael Tomlinson and Kevyn Lettau From: "Monk SansSoucie" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:57:54 -0500 I listened to Michael Tomlinson years ago. He makes beautiful music. Thanks for bringing him back into my memory. I'll have to go and see what happened to his two LP's that I recall owning. Thanks also for the link! Claud Dave and Claudia SanSoucie (and Monk the Dog) email: dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net or: Scuttlefish@ovation.net tele: (717) 854-7171 Web Page: http://home.att.net/~dvsclaud ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 11:21:59 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: The Rise and Fall of the JMDL Joniphiles - Whenever someone subscribes to the JMDL, they receive an introductory message. It has been re-written over the last few months - everyone may want to re-read it. It can be found here: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni.info I wish to highlight a passage from it: "Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance: To debate is divine, to personally insult really sucks. We love debate! We love a good conversation - a good discussion of the issues. We do so with respect for all involved. There are people from many countries and many cultures on this list. There are also those who are diplomatic, and those who aren't. There are tall ones and short ones and ... well, you get the idea. We are a very diverse bunch. "In a nutshell, respect another's opinion and they will respect yours. It is not acceptable to personally insult someone publicly on the list. If you feel the need to do so, go listen to the "Ladies of the Canyon" album and calm down. If that doesn't work, take your differences off the list!" I wish to further highlight the highlight: 1) It is not acceptable to personally insult someone publicly on the list. 2) Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. I wish to further highlight the highlighted highlight: Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. 'nuff said. Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:18:02 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: My first time!! JC Hi Russell, Welcome to the list! >Last night while searching for "Both Sides Now" at the San Francisco >Public Library, I came across a book by Leonore Fleischer titled "Joni >Mitchell....Her Life ...Her Loves....Her Music. It was published in >1976. I tried to find this book in the L.A. library last year and it apparently disappeared off the shelf years ago with no replacement. I ultimately was able to buy a mint condition copy from the GEMM website on the internet for $20. (For those of us who find the Joni auction prices on Ebay a bit exorbitant, sometimes GEMM is the perfect alternative for those hard to find items). >I never did find "Both Sides Now", but based on the review of that book, You should be able to easily find a copy of "Both Sides Now" at Borders or any of the online internet book store web sites. Despite the negative reviews of that book, I actually did not think it was half bad. The only thing I noticed about it was that it seemed to be a cut and paste job of several articles concerning Joni - but it also has some interesting information and photos. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:50:23 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Public apology To Les, P. Henry & all listers: I unfortunately brought down the wrath of Les with my insulting remarks to P. Henry. I did get out of hand with my remarks and I do apologize. I know I would have been crushed by such remarks. "Again I talk to open and free... I pay a high price for my open talking..." Please accept my apologies Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:54:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NoooooooJM What a lovely way to put it! Thanks gene. Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Gene Mock" > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:28:11 -0800 > > Sometimes, I think you guys take yourselves much too seriously. > Whatever happen to LOL? Besides, so what if you have to go through a > hundred oysters to find a pearl, it's worth it. Love you all gene - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:56:48 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: My first time!! JC Russell said: <> Welcome, Russell - hope your stay here is long and happy! <> When I was at the library on Weds., I saw a book in the "New" section about the history of Elektra Records, of course being a Joni-obsessive I checked the index, and of course there was lots of Joni references, I should've checked the book out and shared it with y'all, I'll do that if it's still there next week... Bob NP: Bessie Smith "St. Louis Blues" (One of the few female performers who can claim they weren't influenced by Joni :~D) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 20:55:32 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: respect... (NJC) to all, sorry if anyone has interpreted anything I've said as disrespectful to anyone here, though I retract nothing... I don't really think it needs to be said but I have no problem with anyone's politics, sexuality or religion as I see them as only superficial aspects of who people really are. (which is why they are such boring, useless topics to me) it appears that some people's defensiveness has caused them to assume that I do, however, and, in that, they have erred. I don't really understand why but apparently it's perfectly ok to be disrespectful, and even vicious, to me for expressing my opinion because I'm new here, but I'm not allowed to respond to it... I can see nothing in anything I said that is disrespectful to anyone but, again, I do apologize to any who have thus interpreted my statements and will try to be nicer in the future... if I can just figure out how... *L* ...some have expressed they are tired of all this so I'll drop it if you will... but remember when it happens again, I told you so... someone called me arrogant and to that I agree... it's true, I am... but it's only because I'm very, very good! *G* pat http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:04:34 -0800 From: Russell Bowden Subject: Profile. Name: Russell D. Bowden DOB June 13, 1955 POB Bangor, Maine. Place of residence: San Francisco, CA Occupations: Pianist, Singer, Office Adminsitrator, Actor, Bartender, Legal Asst., Waiter, Cook, Bike Messenger Dispatcher, Theatrical Adminstrator. 1st Significant Joni time: Summer of '77 when a friend played "Free Man in Paris" (I was aware of her, of course; just never registered.) Then I HAD to hear all things Joni! Blue, STAS, LOTC, and Clouds followed very quickly. Favorite Joni Album: Tie: Hejira and DJRD Favorite composer: Mozart, R. Strauss, JM and JS Bach. My other Goddess: Kathleen Battle (Imagine my my screaming delight to find Joni and Kathleen BOTH on one album....Herbie Hancock......there is a God) Favorite Food(s): My own homemade pizza, fried chicken wings and Maine lobster and Brother-in-Law BBQ! Favorite Joni songs to play on piano: Court and Spark and Michael From Mountains Favorite Album Cover: Hejira Joni live: Boston Common 1983 Cologne: One Man Show (Bogart of Paris) Absolute favorite Joni songs: Hejira, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Sweet Bird, Carey, People's Parties, Court and Spark, Sisotowbell Lane, Cactus Tree, Urge for Going, That Song About the Midway, Rainy Night House, Conversation, Electricity, Coyote, A Strange Boy, Chinese Cafe, Shiny Toys, The Last Time I Saw Richard, My Secret Place, Corrina, Corrina, Two Grey Rooms, Love Puts on a New Face. That's the Short List! Pillows: Several Favorite drink: Homemade Iced Tea Favorite Herb: Basil and Marijuana Favorite medication: Zoloft and Trazodone Pasttime: Communicating with my boyfriend, reading, music, listening to the radio. I killed my TV a year and a half ago.....Free At Last! Favorite Memory: That night down South between the trailers. Favorite Authors: Dickens, Toole, Wilde, Favorite Girl Scout Cookie: Samoas Favorite Cookie: My cat......(her name) Brain candy: Joni's lyrics. Sparks all over Anything Else??? Love, Russell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:31:44 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Update on Crosby Documentary (No Joni?) I found the following update on Crobsy's website. Curious - there is no mention of Joni. Crosby is also working on Part II of his autobiography these days. Kakki "David Crosby and Gold Circle Entertainment/ Samson Music(CPR's record company)have involved Richard Harris on working the finishing touches on David's documentary named "Stand and Be Counted," which is about the role of popular music in social activism and political movements. The documentary will feature dozens of interviews with many of the most influential folk and rock musicians of recent decades, including Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Elton John, Sting, Carole King, Don Henley, Shawn Colvin, Bonnie Raitt, Melissa Etheridge, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash and Neil Young. Actor/comics Robin Williams and Whoopi Goldberg will also appear in the documentary. They are also writing it in book form. We are so excited we have great people working on this project to insure its great success. As soon as this project is finished, we will let you know!!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:01:37 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni PPV Video pre-order now available The Joni Pay-Per-View special "Painting With Words And Music" is now available for pre-order on the Gemm web site http://www.gemm.com/ in VHS, DVD and Laser format. The prices range from around $19 to $29. To get to these items do a search on Joni Mitchell on the main page and then scroll down the list to the "Ps" for "Painting" and you'll find it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:18:12 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: respect... (NJC) In a message dated 2/5/99 12:58:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << someone called me arrogant and to that I agree... it's true, I am... but it's only because I'm very, very good! *G* >> oh i am SURE that statement is going to make everyone whom you offended see how wrong they were pat. brilliant. ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:43:28 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Profile. > Favorite Herb: Basil and Marijuana > Anything Else??? > Love, > Russell You did a fine job. One question do you combine the basil and marijuana? ha ha Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:21:12 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: 5 stages of ??? (NJC on NJC) A good friend sent this along, and I find some really striking similarities to the escalation of the recent flame wars around the list ... so may be this is really 5 Stages of NJC posting!! Or maybe we've all just been drinking! :-) Don Rowe Five Stages of Intoxication Stage 1 - SMART This is when you suddenly become an expert on every subject in the known universe. You know everything and want to pass on your knowledge to anyone who will listen. At this stage you are always RIGHT. And of course the person you are talking to is very WRONG. This makes for an interesting argument when both parties are SMART. Stage 2 - GOOD LOOKING This is when you realize that you are the BEST LOOKING person in the entire bar and that people fancy you. You can go up to a perfect stranger knowing they fancy you and really want to talk to you. Bear in mind that you are still SMART, so you can talk to this person about any subject under the sun. Stage 3 - RICH This is when you suddenly become the richest person in the world. You can buy drinks for the entire bar because you have an armored truck full of money parked behind the bar. You also make bets at this stage, because of course, you are still SMART, so naturally you will win all your bets. It doesn't matter how much you bet 'cos you are RICH. You will also buy drinks for everyone that you fancy, because now you are the BEST LOOKING person in the world. Stage 4 - BULLET PROOF You are now ready to pick fights with anyone and everyone especially those with whom you have been betting or arguing. This is because nothing can hurt you. At this point you can also go up to the partners of the people who you fancy and challenge to a battle of wits or money. You have no fear of losing this battle because you are SMART, you are RICH and hell, you're BETTER LOOKING than they are anyway!!! Stage 5 - INVISIBLE This is the final stage of drunkenness. At this point you can do anything because NO ONE CAN SEE YOU. You dance on a table to impress the people you fancy because the rest of the people in the room cannot see you. You are also invisible to the person who wants to fight you. You walk through the street singing at the top of you lungs because no one can see or hear you. Even if they could see and hear you, they would not mind that you woke them from peaceful slumber because you are still so SMART, GOOD LOOKING and RICH. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:30:41 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Profile. >From: "M & C Urbanski" >To: "Russell Bowden" , >Subject: Re: Profile. >Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:43:28 -0500 >Reply-To: "M & C Urbanski" > > >> Favorite Herb: Basil and Marijuana >> Anything Else??? >> Love, >> Russell > >You did a fine job. One question do you combine the basil and marijuana? >ha ha >Marilyn > I could be mistaken, but I think the basil might be to throw off the dogs ... ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:59:33 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Profile. In a message dated 2/5/99 5:58:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: << > I could be mistaken, but I think the basil might be to throw off the dogs ... ;-) Don Rowe >> Pepper works much better. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:21:52 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) Kakki forwarded: <<< ... about the role of popular music in social activism and political movements. The documentary will feature dozens of interviews with many of the most influential folk and rock musicians of recent decades, including Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Elton John, Sting, Carole King, Don Henley, Shawn Colvin, Bonnie Raitt, Melissa Etheridge, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash and Neil Young.>>> So are we to guess that there have been no black activist musicians? I'm sure Chuck D, KRS-One, Lauryn Hill and Stevie Wonder would be interested to hear that. <<< Whoopi Goldberg will also appear in the documentary.>>> Oh. They're putting one in. Guess I shouldn't complain. This kind of "liberalism" really irks me. Some narrow definition of "activism" that results in a worldview not too much more expansive than the one we're supposedly fighting against. Grrrrr.... Done now. - --Michael NP: Janet Jackson, _The Velvet Rope_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:28:58 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - request for volunteer Joniphiles - I am looking for a volunteer to compile the entire set of 1998 JMDL digests into one big 'ole text file. If interested and able please email me privately. Thanks, Les NP - dreams of sandalwood ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:38:40 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) Michael wrote: ><<< ... about the role of popular music in social activism and >political movements. The documentary will feature dozens of >interviews with many of the most influential folk and rock musicians >of recent decades, including Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Joan >Baez, Elton John, Sting, Carole King, Don Henley, Shawn Colvin, >Bonnie Raitt, Melissa Etheridge, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash and >Neil Young.>>> >So are we to guess that there have been no black activist musicians? >I'm sure Chuck D, KRS-One, Lauryn Hill and Stevie Wonder would >be interested to hear that. Aw hey now, maybe those guys *were* asked to particpate and didn't want to be lumped in with the predominant folkie/hippie group included in the film! >This kind of "liberalism" really irks me. Some narrow definition of >"activism" that results in a worldview not too much more expansive >than the one we're supposedly fighting against. Grrrrr.... > >Done now. The film is not in the can yet. You could email Crosby (through the web site) and ask him if he has neglected to present a wider representation of activist musicians. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:52:01 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: respect... (NJC) Some mails leave me speechless. This is definately one of them. P. Henry wrote: > to all, > sorry if anyone has interpreted anything I've said as disrespectful to anyone here, though I retract nothing... I don't really think it needs to be said but I have no problem with anyone's politics, sexuality or religion as I see them as only superficial aspects of who people really are. (which is why they are such boring, useless topics to me) it appears that some people's defensiveness has caused them to assume that I do, however, and, in that, they have erred. > I don't really understand why but apparently it's perfectly ok to be disrespectful, and even vicious, to me for expressing my opinion because I'm new here, but I'm not allowed to respond to it... I can see nothing in anything I said that is disrespectful to anyone but, again, I do apologize to any who have thus interpreted my statements and will try to be nicer in the future... if I can just figure out how... *L* ...some have expressed they are tired of all this so I'll drop it if you will... but remember when it happens again, I told you so... > someone called me arrogant and to that I agree... it's true, I am... but it's only because I'm very, very good! *G* > > pat > > http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:54:38 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Profile. Russell wrote: Favorite Herb: Basil and Marijuana Well i love marijuana but alas no longer use it. Favorite medication: Zoloft and Trazodone VALIUM is definately the best of all those I used. I no longer use any. My only medication now is meditation and the JMDL! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:24:53 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: throwing off the dogs...(NJC) In a message dated 2/5/99 3:40:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, IVPAUL42@AOL.COM writes: << I could be mistaken, but I think the basil might be to throw off the dogs ... ;-) Don Rowe >> Pepper works much better. >> well, i am going to jamaica next sunday, so i am finding this particularly relevant. now if you will excuse me, i need to run to the grocery store and stock up on my basil and my pepper. any other, ah, ingredients i should pick up, feel free to mention them. ...maybe i should also stop by the video store and rent midnight express... pray for me. i know my weaknesses!!! (well, most of them) love and peace, ric (who may be emailing you all from walpole prison, after my ignominious return from ganja land...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 00:31:12 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: throwing off the dogs...(NJC) Be careful ric-I don't think they have KY in jails either..... RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/5/99 3:40:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, IVPAUL42@AOL.COM > writes: > > << I could be mistaken, but I think the basil might be to throw off the > dogs ... ;-) > > Don Rowe >> > > Pepper works much better. > >> > well, i am going to jamaica next sunday, so i am finding this particularly > relevant. now if you will excuse me, i need to run to the grocery store and > stock up on my basil and my pepper. any other, ah, ingredients i should pick > up, feel free to mention them. > > ...maybe i should also stop by the video store and rent midnight express... > > pray for me. i know my weaknesses!!! (well, most of them) > > love and peace, ric (who may be emailing you all from walpole prison, after my > ignominious return from ganja land...) - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:31:35 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) In a message dated 2/5/99 7:24:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: > >So are we to guess that there have been no black activist musicians? > >I'm sure Chuck D, KRS-One, Lauryn Hill and Stevie Wonder would > >be interested to hear that. > > It will certaintly be disappointing if Richie Havens is forgotten about. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:46:07 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) In a message dated 2/5/99 5:56:40 PM Central Standard Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: << So are we to guess that there have been no black activist musicians? I'm sure Chuck D, KRS-One, Lauryn Hill and Stevie Wonder would be interested to hear that. >> As would Curtis Mayfield, always a pacesetter...and Marvin "What's Goin' on" Gaye will have a few good spins in his grave. Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt, from the above list, "Cure For Love" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:46:56 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Profile. > Russell wrote: > Favorite Herb: Basil and Marijuana > > Well i love marijuana but alas no longer use it. > Favorite medication: Zoloft and Trazodone > VALIUM is definately the best of all those I used. I no longer use any. > > My only medication now is meditation and the JMDL! HUMMMM...pot is my favorite drug but I didn't know when to quit so I had to stop enjoying myself. Now I do Dr. Pepper and cigarettes only! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:57:33 EST From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC (NJC :) <> Just wanted to mention that some of my favorite posts have been NJC. Jerry; the one about you and your grama playing cards 'til late at night still stands out in my memory. :) Love, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:00:28 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Update on Crosby Documentary (NJC) Michael wrote: ><< So are we to guess that there have been no black activist musicians? > I'm sure Chuck D, KRS-One, Lauryn Hill and Stevie Wonder would > be interested to hear that. Bob wrote: >As would Curtis Mayfield, always a pacesetter...and Marvin "What's Goin' on" >Gaye will have a few good spins in his grave. Hey, before everyone starts piling on poor Crosby, wouldn't it be best to wait and actually view the film before automatically assuming the worst of him? The list of artists are just *some* of the people being *interviewed* for the film, not the only people being featured. Marvin can't exactly be interviewed from the grave. I never realized Curtis Mayfield was considered part of the "activist" movement. Maybe you can enlighten me. I don't know if Michael has brought up his points by email to Crosby, but I have and will relay to the list whatever answer I receive. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:55:57 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: MEMBERS OF LOST TRIBE OF MITCHELLJONIA FOUND IN LA HIGH RISE Last Friday Travis & I embarked on our perilous & technically unexplainable journey to the the Outer Stratosphere (so what else can you call LA?) to confer, consult and otherwise hobnob with my fellow Jimdlers. And in some ways it felt like I had missed the balloon and the Ruby Slippers had somehow taken me back home. On Sunday afternoon we drove our rental car in from our hosts' home in Long Beach to Wilshire Blvd in Los Angeles. After hooking up with other friends Melanie & Olwen (also down from Seattle), we walked along Wilshire toward Faifax and L A County Museum of Art West where the Van Gogh exhibit was (and still is) on display. It was a Sunny Sunday indeed and I was wearing my TI shirt with the JMDL denim work shirt over it. I turned around and lo & behold, there was Lori Fye standing there as big as life! And let me tell you all she is just as warm, intelligent, direct and full of good humour as all of her posts are. We immediately started chatting as if we'd known one another all our lives. It was delightful to finally meet her face to face! We proceeded to the 'holding area' outside the museum entrance and found Steve & Michelle Dulson, Clark, the Turley's, Steve J and Ken Corral all waiting in line. Mr. Dulson is quite the gent with an eternally warm & friendly smile on his face and Michelle is equally warm & quite lovely. I'm afraid I didn't get much of a chance to talk to Steve J or the Turleys but it was a pleasure to meet them as well. A few minutes later and we spied Kakki & Michael Paz heading for the members entrance to our makeshift stockyard. Mr. Paz is a tall man with a regal bearing but very amiable & down to earth. A helluva guitar & keyboard player as well as we were to discover later. And Kakki? What can you say about Kakki? Brains, talent & lovely to look at as well. She is everything her posts indicate - gracious, warm, intelligent - and much more. The Van Gogh's were indescribably moving. From the somber paintings of his beginning in the Netherlands to the explosions of color that came later, they all conveyed beauty and passion in every brush stroke. I feel priveledged to have seen them. When we finished buying prints, postcards & t-shirts at the exhibit's gift shop, Travis & I headed out for the Daily Grill. After an initial mixup (Kakki, there really *are* *two* streets named San Vicente that intersect Wilshire Blvd) we arrived about the time the rest of the group was in the middle of dinner. It was there we met the charming Phyllis Ward and her friend Lisa (? sorry Phyllis, but I'm not sure of the name). It seems Ms. Fye also made the same mistake of turning on the wrong San Vicente and she arrived as Travis & I were finishing our dinners. The group adjourned to regroup at Kakki's and Travis, not being 'queer for Joni Mitchell' as he says I am, headed back to Long Beach. Ken C. had kindly consented to serve as my 'designated driver' for the evening since he would also be heading to Long Beach at the end of the evening. At the risk of embarassing him, I can only describe Ken as a real sweetheart. He's also fun and a wonderful conversationalist. Riding with him was a treat. Once in a while in a big blue moon there comes a night like that one was and that is exactly what greeted Ken & I as we pulled on to Wilshire & headed for the 405. A moon so luminous & large it was reminiscent of the one in the movie 'Moonstruck' (and how appropriate on the day that Cher sang the National Anthem at the Superbowl!) We arrived at Kakki's just before the Dulson's and rode up to her apartment with them. What followed was one of the most delightful & amazing experiences I have yet had. I was in a roomful of people I had never met face to face & felt as if I knew all of them. And when Paz got out the guitar and the VG8 and the singing began - what a revelation! Everybody knew the words and it was like finding your long lost tribe! Paz played 'Love Puts on a New Face' and a beautiful rendition of 'Amelia' and many, many more. Steve Dulson nimbly picked out some tunes on his dulcimer and had a lot of fun noodling with the VG8. Paz also played keyboards and we were able to do 'Court & Spark' not to mention 'Me & Bobby McGee' (a la Janis Joplin) and a wonderfully harmonious 'Teach Your Children'. And somebody couldn't resist sneaking a little bit of Grace Slick into the CSN version of 'Wooden Ships' that the others were doing and I'm sure it sounded really odd (particularly sung by a baritone). We also did some 'For the Roses' karaoke. But the big surprise of the evening was Clark. A competent guitarist himself he favored us with three quite beautiful & moving songs that he had written himself. Clark is a very intense and talented man and it was great to get to meet him. Finally the party began to break up but only after Kakki had shown us a bit of the video she mentioned earlier. This is a really fascinating look at a young, fresh-faced Joni sometime before the release of 'Blue'. Her rendition of the as yet unfinished 'All I Want' is priceless. Hopefully this tape can be made available as a tree at some time in the future. So Ken & I set our course for Long Beach, driving through the moonlit landscape of LA & Orange County. We talked about the evening & the JMDL and the play 'Angels in America' among other things and as I said before, it was a real pleasure to share the ride with such an interesting & amiable human being. Thanks again to Ken for the ride & the conversation, to Phyllis for helping procure the tickets to the exhibit and of course a big thank you & hug to Kakki for being the hostess with the mostest! And also big thanks to Michael Paz, Steve Dulson & Clark for providing their excellent accompaniment to our voices. And great big hugs to all of you that I had the priveledge of meeting and sharing a few precious hours with. It was a gas! I hope I didn't leave anybody out but as I said, I didn't get to spend much time with some of you and not everybody went to Kakki's after the Daily Grill. So I found those members of the long lost tribe of Mitchelljonia. After reading the digests of the past week it looks like there were storms on the list. But we've weathered them before and we'll weather them again. For anybody who doubts it, let me tell you that the spirit of fellowship & good will is still alive in JMDL land. Last Sunday I saw it first hand and I am here to testify! Can I get a witness? Siquomb, indeed! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:13:28 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: mick bird From: "Gene Mock" Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:10:34 -0800 To whoever it was that recommended Mick Bird's CD NaAu, thank you. Voice like Rick Roberts writes of the ocean like Jim Dawson wrote about the mountains. Nice stuff, great web site too www.NAAU.com. Sorry for the NJC, but good music should be shared. Later Gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:24:32 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Dam! I have to put in my two cents here... "Angels From Montgomery" - "...the years just flow by like a broken down dam..." Saturday, February 6th is Wally Breese's birthday - I'm bringing the chocolate cake. Leslie np: Geoff Muldaur, The Secret Handshake ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 02:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Subject: No hanky-panky for Hitler-Witler? Debra Kaufman wrote: + Hasn't had any illicit affairs. Are you sure about this? What about his supposed relations with his cousin Geli. Who, by the way, also killed herself (Eva Braun did, too). If that's not illicit, I'm a Viet Cong. B- NP: Phil Ochs - Freedom Riders ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #60 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?