From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #56 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 056 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni in Movies [Joseph Palis ] The JMDL Cookbook [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Van Gogh and more (SJC) ["Kakki" ] On the loose at NAMM '99 (NJC) ["Kakki" ] somethings happening here [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: questions on joni stats ["Deb Messling" ] Re: NJC - Suzanne Vega [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: questions on joni stats [MHart16164@aol.com] Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re:Al Kooper [Lisa Peakes ] Nick Drake & Eliot Roberts [Lisa Peakes ] Re: weighing in on NJC [M.Russell@iaea.org] Pete/Ronnie "Rough Mix" [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #54 [Lisa Peakes ] Re: weighing in on NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Cosmetic Surgery [Lisa Peakes ] Stuff,Damns!, Rumi [Thomas Ross ] Credit and apologies (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Mariyn and Colin's Joni Interview [catman ] Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Stuff,Damns!, Rumi (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Rolling Thunder Logbook (NJC) ["Davina Greenstein" ] NJC: NJC (windy) [Kate Tarasenko ] Herbie/Joni Jazz [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] [none] [Bounced Message ] fuck it! tonight I'm going dancing with the drag queens and the punks [Bo] Re: NJC: NJC (windy) [Bounced Message ] Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: weighing in on NJC [Sue ] Joni/TV movies [Sue ] Re: NJC: NJC (windy) [Sue ] Re: NJC: NJC (windy) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC: NJC (windy) ["Don Rowe" ] Re:Damns!(NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC: NJC (windy) [catman ] Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) [luvart@snet.net] NJC: Re: Lack of JC; ->Long ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] The Box Set project ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] damn! (njc) [patrick leader ] Re: The Box Set project [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] NJC Blondie [catman ] Re: NJC Blondie ["Davina Greenstein" ] Re: Am I a bad girl? (joni content) [The Humphreys ] Re: Stuff,Damns!, Rumi (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Unanswered Questions (JC) [Ginamu@aol.com] 2/7ths JC: LP auction ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Anne's comments and Joni in Murray's book. [bhillis@onramp.ca (Patricia H] Re: Anne's comments and Joni in Murray's book. ["Marsha" Subject: Re: Joni in Movies On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > smell of anything but Ivory soap! Maybe a movie with Tom Waits > and...uh...ok...who's a good leading woman for Tom??? . > Debby Harry, perhaps? *S* Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:41:29 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: The JMDL Cookbook Dear all - Probably due to the increased volume of mail during the Christmas season, the package containing our precious JMDL Cookbook which was to be Joni's Christmas present did not reach Wally until the end of January, even though I sent it airmail on December 7th. It just got waylaid somewhere, I guess. Anyway, since the whole thing is so late now, and because there are a few mistakes (e.g. I spelled Lori Fye's middle name wrong!!!), plus a few recipes with un-Jonified titles, I'd like to open up the cookbook for additional recipes from those of you who are new to the list as well as those of you who didn't have the time to make a contribution back in November. Please try to Jonify your recipe titles. I'd also appreciate any feedback from those of you who have received the cookbook as a Word document - - please let me know if you've noticed any errors or if there's anything you would do to make it nicer. I'd also like to ask again if there is anyone willing to do a little artwork for the cover page. I'd like to set a deadline of March 15 for recipe contributions. You should also submit a bio along the lines of those found at: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jmdlbios1.htm http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jmdlbios.htm For those of you who have already contributed, now is a chance for you to change anything in your recipe(s) or bio. Here are the titles of the recipes so far: Amelia's Alarming Tuscan Bean Soup Amour, Mama - Tuna Nicoise Anchovy-Garlic Vinaigrette Annie Bakes Her Cakes and Her Vanocka by the Steamy Kitchen Window Apple Crisp is the Best Facelift Azeem's Rissotto Baby You're So Square Tomato-Basil Squares Back to the Garden Tofu - Almond "Cheese" Spread Barangrill Spicy Cocktail Onions Botticelli's Terra Cotta Town Tiramisu Canyon Lady Granola Chicken Squawkin Chinese Café Sizzled Chili Shrimp Cokes and Chocolate Bars: Marlin's Makin' Mud Come In From The Cold Caesar Salad Come to the Dinner Gong Fish Stew Dancin' Clown Herb-Roasted Chicken With Baked Shallots Dave's Sinful Oiled and Shining Chicken Stir-Fry Denise's Deliciously Bizarre Pizza Dog Eat Dog BarBecue Marinade Dog Eat Soup Don Rowe's Reckless Guacamole Donkey Vendors Slicing Coconut Pie Down By The Seacoast Salad Dreamin' on our Dimes Chopstick Rice Casserole Fatted Flake Filo Appetizers French Onion Soup In English Georgia Peach O'Keeffe Ice Cream Castles Ice Cream Gilded Gallions Clam and Tuna Pate God Must Be A Cookie Monster Peanut Butter Cookies Golden In Time Garlic Bread Golden in Time Peach Slice Grama's Ginger Cookies Grandma Mollie's Authentic Jewish Paprika Plains Chicken Happiness is the Best Face Masque Hot Hot Blazes Cape Malay Curry with Dhai Irish "Fight Before You Think" Soda Bread Julie Z. Webb's 15 Minute Home-made "Pagliacci Pasta Sauce" Leadfoot Melvin's Hotwired French Toast Linguini With "Crown And Anchor Me" White Clam Sauce Little Green Spinach Casserole Love is precious! Parker House Rolls Man From Mars Bars Man To Man Chauvinistic Bachelor Slob Spaghetti Mermaid Café Spinach Mornay Morning Morgantown Baked Apple Pancake Otis and Marlena Venetian Liver With Onions Out of the Fire and Still Smouldering Lamb Stir-Fry Oyster Facelift Casserole People's Parties Chafing-Dish Turkeyballs Pork Pie Hat Bar Medallions with Maple-Vinegar Sauce Red is Autumn, Green is Summer 20-minute Tabouli Salad Roman Candle-Glow Ricotta Cheese Cake Romeo, Romeo Lasagna al Pesto Savory Sauce to Aging Children Come Shades of Scarlett Oven Roasted Red Peppers with Tomato and Garlic Sisotowbell Scalloped Potatoes with Cheese and Herbs Spaghetti Wires in the Walls Carbonara Sparkle Dark Chocolate Blast Sweet Bird Chicken and Artichoke Heart Pasta Sweet Potato Medallions Sweet Sucker Korean Salad The Beat Of Black Beans The Spectacular d'Este Avocado Wonder The Wind is in from Africa & We're Eating Moroccan Orange-Nut Salad Tuck Your Napkins In And Take Your Share Of Pasta Primevara Twins of Spirit Sausage and Lentils West Bound and Rollin' Corn Bread Chicken You Dream Flake Cake You Know I've Been To Sea Before Shrimp Al Vino Bianco The following titles need to be Jonifed: Anchovy-Garlic Vinaigrette Azeem's Rissotto Denise's Deliciously Bizarre Pizza Grama's Ginger Cookies Please email me privately with your contributions, changes, suggestions and/or questions. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:05:57 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Van Gogh and more (SJC) Steve wrote: >I'm sure Kakki will be writing a full rport when she recovers :) >OK, what's next? The party is still going for me here with the 4 hours of unedited tapes of our revelry on Sunday! Lots and lots of laughs and some priceless stuff that I hope to get "re-mixed" to smooth out the sometimes uneven mic-ing. Mr. Paz, our Herculean house musician, played just killer guitar and keyboards non-stop for the chorus well into the night and early morning. Mr. Dulson played dulcimer on the electric guitar through the magic of the VG-8 and also on the REAL dulcimer. Clark played several beautiful and very impressive original songs that he just came up with in the last week or so. The rest of the gang all sang with truly beautiful voices and everyone, of course, knew each song by heart. We segued into CSN and sometimes Y, and then really segued off into tunes by Chicago, Janis Joplin, Blind Faith, Michael Franks, Chris Issak, Jefferson Airplane and whatever else came to mind. The neighbors amazingly did not call the police but I've been been slinking down the halls ever since. Today as I left home, a neighbor walked our her door and I tried desperately to avoid her. Yet she waited for me to get to the elevator - I thought that the boom was going to be lowered but instead she asked me if I have been playing the guitar. I spilled out that I'd had a big party of musicians the other night and how sorry I was about the noise. She said, "Oh, no, no, my boyfriend and I were looking in vain out the window, trying to see where the concert was coming from so that we could go, too!" Then she said with a big smile "my boyfriend and I noticed you were playing Joni Mitchell." I nodded and gave a big smile back as I scurried away while my luck was holding (hey, we must have sounded pretty good ;-D). Earlier in the day we'd all met up at the museum to see the Van Goghs. I finally got to meet some of my favorite jimdlers Catherine and Tom Turley, Mark and Travis, and Lori Fye, along with again seeing my good jimdler buddies, Michael, Steve, Michele, Ken, Steve J, and Phyliss. The paintings took my breath away and pulled very hard on my heart. Toward the end of the exhibit I could not hold back the tears, that is how affecting it was. I felt he did seem too sensitive a soul for this world and that sense is conveyed in every little brushstroke. The exhibit ends April 4th and there are still tickets available starting in mid-March for anyone who may still be interested in seeing it. We all converged at a big table inside the Daily Grill and yakked (me the loudest) so much about the Joan that I'm sure the manager phoned her and warned her that the pod people had arrived and to stay in the safety of her home that afternoon! It was a very wonderful and special day for me and I thank all of you, who traveled so far and did so much, to make it that way. Kakki NP: Dishwasher cleaning still more martini glasses ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 03:05:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: On the loose at NAMM '99 (NJC) Through the unending generosity of Michael Paz (who is really THE guy), Mariana and I were able to secure much-coveted badges to the NAMM convention last Saturday. Since Michael had real work to do there, Mariana and I were on our own to wreak our course of grace and havoc through the show. We had fun playing $10,000 rare Koa wood guitars in the beautiful Taylor exhibit room. Next to me strumming along in the big crowd was none other than record producer (Jimmy Webb among others) and musician Fred Mollin. Then we took over the Kawai piano room where Mariana gave a 30 minute concert. We saw someone from Smashing Pumpkins and I saw some members of Funkadelic. We were in the Godin guitar room when martial-arts-expert-now-turned Guru, Steven Seagal, replete in a long, burgundy silk Chinese tunic, entered with an entourage of about 10 people, including two women in Japanese kimonos, and commanded to see "the best guitar you have." Everyone buzzed about him in awe and hushed tones, except Mariana and I who just kept perusing the merchandise and rolling our eyes. It possibly offended Dalai Seagal that we were not paying sufficient homage and he suddenly floated back out the door, with full entourage in tow. They must have appeased him because he just as suddenly floated back in, with the entourage now starting to trip over each other, as they shadowed his every move. He sat down in the center of the room and proceeded to play guitar as everyone stood as still as mannequins, frozen in obeisance. We could not get out of there fast enough, laughing and somewhat horrified at the same time at the spectacle. We are talking seriously bizarre here! (I will say that he *does* play guitar quite well). Later in the day we discovered that we missed seeing Crosby, Pevar and Raymond at 2 p.m. They had been handing out autographed CDs of their "Live at the Wiltern" concert. I let out a long wail when I heard about it. This is a 2 CD set of the concert I attended back in November and it was one of the most unbelievable events I've ever attended, with Crosby solo, Crosby & Nash, Crosby & Collins and CPR performances all in one night. Happily, I learned that the CD is also available through the CPR web site at http://www.crosbycpr.com HIGHLY recommended. Speaking of Graham, I also saw him on Tom Snyder tonight and he is as wonderful as ever. It's his 57th birthday today. He arranged the soundtrack for "The Sixties" mini-series that is airing this weekend on NBC. Kakki NP: The Hollies Greatest Hits ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:26:38 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: somethings happening here Some notes about some interesting posts..my always lod but humble opinion. I also racked my brain trying to figure out FWIW and I believe Robert Altman is WAY underrated.(BOB) Thanks simon for the great research on "Rainy night..." , I fancy myself a Joniphile and never saw that in print, maybe I should read something other than goldmine and my digests! Still no response re: Children First..CD..no one is picking my thread to talk about.(Kakki) Ok.....some joni content......I really like the scene in After Hours where Teri Garr is playing a real strange part (as usual) and Joni song is playing in the backround. No joni content: does anyone know how to treat paper / prints with an archival solution or spray......to stop foxing and neutralize water damage/aging. Please.....I will be in debted to you. No more posts for a while. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:51:19 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: questions on joni stats I don't believe she knew David Geffen when she wrote this song. > I don't know why I've long thought that was David Geffen. Could it > have been him or some other agent of hers? Paul I > > << Was he the > guy "with her name on all his papers?" > >> > Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:45:52 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: NJC - Suzanne Vega Bernadette confesses: << I've seen her several times and even had a "moment" (which I won't bore you with).>> Bern, go ahead and bore away...speaking for myself I love "brush with greatness" stories. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:15:19 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: questions on joni stats In a message dated 99-02-02 14:12:23 EST, you write: << >6. does she have a favorite alcoholic beverage? Tequila, Singapore Slings, bottles of German wine and love (the strongest poison and medecine of all) :-) Don Rowe (all of these suggestions come straight from Joni lyrics, so I hope this answer doesn't sound too stupid ... or lame) >> Not stupid or lame, Don. All are reasonable assumptions! Michele NP: Semisonic - DND ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:17:24 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) Ric, displaying that uppity Yankee attitude boasts: <> Ric, I am glad that you've determined that I'm a thick-skinned individual, which I am...I got a good laugh from your not totally off-the-mark summation of SC medical culture. Of course, I'm from Detroit anyway, so I wasn't offended a'tall. Besides, sounds like your doctors have your number...they know you're gonna show for your weekly rubber glove workout no matter what, so no way you're going to be able to score a discount...:~D Bob NP: The Four Tops "Could It Be You" from 'Shagger's Delight Volume III' (The "Shag" being our State Dance...does *any* other State have an official dance?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:14:03 -0500 From: Lisa Peakes Subject: Re:Al Kooper << a fellow named Al Cooper>> That'd be Al Kooper Lisa Peakes, Morning Host/Producer, Vermont Public Radio 20 Troy Avenue Colchester, VT 05446 ph:802-654-4351, fax:802-655-2997, e-mail:lpeakes@vpr.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:21:03 -0500 From: Lisa Peakes Subject: Nick Drake & Eliot Roberts I recall reading that Eliot Roberts (sp?) "discovered", or, rather, had a hand in the formative stages of the careers of both Nick Drake and Joni Mitchell, so that's some connecting thread - but who'd buy the rag with Nick Drake on the cover? Better to put the chick on the outer fold! Lisa Peakes, Morning Host/Producer, Vermont Public Radio 20 Troy Avenue Colchester, VT 05446 ph:802-654-4351, fax:802-655-2997, e-mail:lpeakes@vpr.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:27:32 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: weighing in on NJC On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 06:03:48 EST Clark wrote: * All of which leads me to a question: what is it that * people who love Joni have in common? Weigh in! * My own answer: if you love Joni, you feel things deeply. * You have a rich emotional and subjective life and are * overwhelmed sometimes by your feelings and perceptions, * a condition you wouldn't trade. Like Van Gogh, or other * artists/sensitives, the world is often an intensely vibrant * place -- you can't always filter your experience of it into * some manageable stream, because you have never * stopped yourself from feeling. You love beauty and * pursue it constantly. You pick the roller coaster over * the the merry-go-round. This is like a JMDL personality profile! If you love Joni, you are probably liberal and generally tolerant of human failings - compassion is one of your virtues. You also possess high intelligence and have a good sense of humor. You are impatient with self-righteous and bigoted people and usually sympathize with and stick up for the underdog. You enjoy good food and are bascially hedonistic despite what you might say to the contrary. ;^D Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:28:59 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Pete/Ronnie "Rough Mix" Terry was spinning: <> I had forgotten about this one - I remember when the radio station in Raleigh played it as a midnight feature album - I taped it and listened to it over and over again until the tape wore out. "Give Me A Heart to Hang On To" I recall was simply a breathtakingly beautiful tune. Was this a CD? I may have to check it out again...talk about "overlooked records"... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:32:00 -0500 From: Lisa Peakes Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #54 I like this passage: <> This is somehow comforting to read - thank you. Lisa Peakes, Morning Host/Producer, Vermont Public Radio 20 Troy Avenue Colchester, VT 05446 ph:802-654-4351, fax:802-655-2997, e-mail:lpeakes@vpr.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:05:16 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: weighing in on NJC In a message dated 2/3/99 9:33:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << You love beauty and * pursue it constantly. You pick the roller coaster over * the the merry-go-round. >> "And the seasons they go WHHHHOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOO. AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! While the painted ponies go boringly up and down. We're captive on the roller coaster of time. We can't return, we can't even look behind. As we go wildly riding of the coaster of time." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:08:10 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) In a message dated 2/3/99 9:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << NP: The Four Tops "Could It Be You" from 'Shagger's Delight Volume III' (The "Shag" being our State Dance...does *any* other State have an official dance?? >> Hawaii ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:03:52 -0500 From: Lisa Peakes Subject: Cosmetic Surgery Joni Mitchell knows she's something of a commodity, and must feel great pressure to appear as she must believe that people want her to appear - the perennially fresh-faced golden folk-goddess. She's certainly compelled by the visual and is probably motivated by a great degree of pride in her appearance (didn't she work in ladies' wear when she had a retail gig?) - and she's got the means to afford more than "all those vain promises on beauty jars" - she can buy first-rate cosmetic medical and dental care! Truth is, the desiccant affects of the rock'n'roll lifestyle will shrivel most tissue.Unless you can $upplement with $ome kind of dietary, topical, or tran$dermal plumping, you'll have to be...slumping! - I'm sure Joni's got an intricate balance worked out - Lisa Peakes, Morning Host/Producer, Vermont Public Radio 20 Troy Avenue Colchester, VT 05446 ph:802-654-4351, fax:802-655-2997, e-mail:lpeakes@vpr.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:37:03 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Stuff,Damns!, Rumi Yeah Marian looks like a neat show. thinking of a 'Damn!' song and I need more! so far: damn. . .this traffic jam! - JT damn everything but the circus! - ee winter's a-comin' in! sing goddamn! - EP damn the torpedoes! - (who?) Damn the dam! -Busy Beaver I need more! help, please! I'm swimming in Rumi these days. a sample: don't look at me. fall into the safety of god. I'm already drowned. do I have a beard? I can't remember. . . married to god, married to god, but pretending not! * either stay here and talk or go there and be silent. or do both. . . with those who see double, talk double-talk. with friends, say only mystery. near roses, sing. * Stuff: see also Joe Venuti, Ray Nance, Grapelli. . although in general I'm not crazy about fiddling jazz. I kind of prefer it screechy: there's a heavymetal violinist I know (!); also I like Dave Matthews' player. also Lutoslavski & Bartok quartets. tr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:50:29 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Credit and apologies (NJC) I wrote: >As with all the Joni gatherings, >it's the people who made it special...Kakki, Ken, Mark, Lori, Clark, >Phyllis, Michael Paz...wow, what a cast! I should have known that once I stated making a list, I'd leave someone, or several someones, out! Cathy and Tom from Arizona were the first people we ran into at the museum AND the Daily Grill, and Steve J. and Travis were around for parts of the day, too. Sorry, all, no offence intended...blame it on a senior moment... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:00:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Mariyn and Colin's Joni Interview Interview of Joni by Marilyn and Colin JMDL: Ms Micthell, can you tell us whcih side of the bed you sleep on? > > Joni: Both sides now, the bed's too big. > > JMDL: Ms Mitchell, which brand of toilet paper do you use? > > Joni: rows and floes of angel hair > > JMDL: What brand of tea/coffee do you use? And is it regular or decaff? > > Joni: tea and lemonade, (this one is tough--I'll have to work on it) > > JMDL: Ms Mitchell, how many lovers have you had? > > Joni: multiple hundreds of thousands of... > > JMDL: Have you had a facelift? > > Joni: happiness IS the best facelift! I'm just fighting off growing old. > > JMDL: What do you think of Jewel? > > Joni: she's nebulous and naked, now I sit up here The Critic! > > JMDL: Which painter would you compare yourself with? > > Joni: I want to paint a picture Botticelli style. > > JMDL: Now that you are getting old, do you still plan on making more records? > > Joni: I really can't give up just yet. > > JMDL: Do you think grandmothers and rock chics go together? > > Joni: Like a priest with a pornographic watch! > > JMDL: What was the motivation behind Big Yellow Taxi -the recent Janet Jackson > hit? > > Joni:Thieves and sycophants parade in these games of buy and sell! > > JMDL: Does it bother you that you have no chart success? > > Joni: Some get lucky, some get blessed, and some pretend this is only a dance...I'm trying to convince myself. > > JMDL: And finally, what is your position on NJC? > > Joni: In this illusionary place--all liberty is laced with borderlines. > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:31:57 -0500 From: Debra Kaufman Subject: Re: plastic surgery >I did see her without makeup, and >she did look her age. Somehow I don't think she would go under the knife >anyway. I read an interview with Joni where she was talking about how hard it was to be an older woman in the music scene and Hollywood, and how women are expected to look young and how prevalent it is to get facelifts. At that time (well over a year ago) she said she hadn't done it, but that she wouldn't totally rule it out. Speaking of people listening to her older music, have any of you listened to her on the Herbie Hancock I wrote about a few days ago? Plus I read recently she's recording or did record with another jazz musician. I suspect she'll be going more and more in that direction, so maybe it'll be the jazz fans--not the pop or rock fans (many of us on this list of course span the musical spectrum)--that "rediscover" her music. DK ****************************************************************** "It's not what you say, but mostly how you feel it." Tim Buckley ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:38:51 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) In a message dated 2/3/99 6:19:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Besides, sounds like your doctors have your number...they know you're gonna show for your weekly rubber glove workout no matter what, so no way you're going to be able to score a discount...:~D Bob >> ok....WHO'S BEEN TALKING???? (oh baby...) ROTFLMAO....peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:33:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Stuff,Damns!, Rumi (NJC) Thomas makes a "damn" request: <> God damn the pusher (Steppenwolf) Goddamn, dim them headlights! (Also JT, "Brother Trucker") Don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop is Viet Nam (Country Joe & The Fish) And I'm sure there's a ton more... Bob NP: Neneh Cherry, "Move with me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:43:36 -0800 From: "Davina Greenstein" Subject: Rolling Thunder Logbook (NJC) I have a copy of Sam Shepard's Rolling Thunder Logbook for sale over Ebay if anyone is interested... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=61683581 D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:55:02 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: NJC (windy) I'm decloaking to add my semi-superfluous "me too" to this non-Joni content debate. It is precisely BECAUSE of the NJC that I find this list most interesting -- I'm far more interested in getting to know the people who are moved by Joni's work than in reading a lot of "I love Joni" posts, because we ALL love Joni. Next topic! If you find your mailbox getting annoyingly clogged with NJC, I highly recommend the digest format. Many times I'll delete an entire digest if I don't have time for the NJC, and the JC doesn't appear to contain any timely info. That's one of the reasons that we're such sticklers for labeling in the subject line. (Aren't we a cooperative bunch of playmates?) As for my more petulant playmates still holding their collective breath, if you want to read a groovy new Joni thread, START ONE!!! I'd LIKE to think that I'm here for your edification and entertainment, but I wouldn't DREAM of imposing that awesome task on my fellow jimdlers. For Colin: I mean this most lovingly, my dear: You are the Marlene Dietrich of this list -- you know you want to come back, so come back! For the rest of you more articulate posters, thanks for your words of kindness and wisdom. The wind is blowing at about 50 mph today, and my words are struggling to break free. Ands a final neener-neener-neener, for dear Marilyn: "...every song just a oNE-nighT stand, formula music, GIRLy guile..." Rave on! Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:46:47 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Herbie/Joni Jazz Debra asks: <> I bought "Gershwin's World" when it came out last year, and I think the Joni stuff is outstanding, and Stevie Wonder is always a treat to hear, but I thought the record as a whole was not very cohesive. The other jazz musician you refer to is most likely Kyle Eastwood's "From There to Here" which features her cover of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man". Even though there's only half the Joni, I like this record a lot more than the Herbie. It swings from start to finish. Both are definitely worth the price of admission though. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:33:08 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: [none] Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:16:48 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Eric Taylor wrote: <<>> To which I say, Who are you, Alan Dershowitz? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:32:09 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: fuck it! tonight I'm going dancing with the drag queens and the punks From: "paul tyrer" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:05:54 -0000 Well well. Recent postings about NJC were very interesting, weren't they? They really turned out, surprise surprise, to be difficult feelings about gay NJC. I'm sure gay and lesbian subscribers to the list will heave yet another huge sigh and just say get over it. P. Henry and others may have great stories about knowing or meeting Joni to fill up their posts, but I don't. And even if I did, I wouldn't want to restrict myself solely to talking about that meeting on this list, or sticking strictly to talking about Joni's musical or lyrical production. I'm a richer canvas than that - everyone is. And a list of people only ever able to talk about Joni's music - no matter how much we love that music - would deny us the broader humanity that makes jmdl worthwhile. People who hate (gay) NJC - people who really hate it - should maybe ask themselves why they hate it when they have a scroll button and (I hope) better things to be doing than reading posts they don't wanna read. Joni Mitchell's music is wound round our lives - certainly around mine. But to pretend that music that you really **love** is divisible from other parts of your life is to kid yourself. I really hope Colin comes back - cos he was one of the shiniest things on this list. But if he didn't, I wouldn't blame him. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:23:21 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: NJC: NJC (windy) Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:20:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro As a very early member of the list I was one who was nudged, at first, about NJC posts. I'd seen too many lists sink when allowed to go off topic. But that hasn't happened here, I'm happy to say. I su.bscribe to 14 lists, as well as owning one, and this one is the only one that isn't work related. So I'm pretty picky about my time spent reading posts. Though I don't always agree with every NJC post, they are seldom personal notes to one member (which really irks me) nor are they ever boring. I enjoy the NJC, see them as relevant, and happily delete those that don't interest me at all. Jerry np: Melanie - Old Bitch Warrior ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:51:25 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) God, Illinois has the freaking SQUARE DANCE as our state dance! I feel like such a hick... Jethro Domyancich NP-Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds - Typical Situation At 10:08 AM -0500 2/3/99, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/99 9:20:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > > << > NP: The Four Tops "Could It Be You" from 'Shagger's Delight Volume > III' (The "Shag" being our State Dance...does *any* other State have > an official dance?? >> > > Hawaii ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:55:41 -0500 From: Sue Subject: Re: Nietzsche! (NJC)(TAC) Sorry, but this has got to be the funniest post about this whole JC/NJC postings to date. FWIW, none of my three cats are purring (NP). You go Don~ Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:55:37 -0500 From: Sue Subject: Re: weighing in on NJC Ah, what a wonderful post. This kinda sums up what we are all about. How many other lists have had the get togethers we have? I feel like I know most of you anyway, so I am more tolerant of the NJC stuff. Sometimes it is way more fun than what do you think Joni eats for breakfast? Thanks Marian, and when will the tapes of your gigs be available to buy? NP: Tracy Chapman-Talking 'bout a Revolution Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:55:52 -0500 From: Sue Subject: Joni/TV movies Ah, my chance has finally come to correct Paul! The years I have waited to do this~ Paul wrote: thirtysomething had a scene closing one episode in which the whole group gathered around the fireplace at home of the main characters. It was nearing Christmas and they were listening to "River" as the scene faded out. The closing scene in the First episode of thirtysomething faded out to Circle game. River was prominantly featured in a holiday episode where Hope and Michael were playing tug of war over which faith to celebrate (Jewish or Christian). I gotta admit, Paul, this feels really good. Now I know why you do it :-) You still sing better than me, and play a mean 6 handed cribbage! Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:59:01 -0500 From: Sue Subject: Re: NJC: NJC (windy) Kate writes: >For Colin: I mean this most lovingly, my dear: You are the Marlene >Dietrich of this list -- you know you want to come back, so come back! Ahhh, this one had me rolling! Colin, where are you? What is your response to this? We all must know! Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:19:27 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC: NJC (windy) Sue wrote: > Kate writes: > >For Colin: I mean this most lovingly, my dear: You are the Marlene > >Dietrich of this list -- you know you want to come back, so come back! > > Ahhh, this one had me rolling! Colin, where are you? What is your > response to this? We all must know! Yes. Though he is quite dear, he's had more farewell performances than Sarah Bernhardt, the Divine One. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:24:52 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: NJC: NJC (windy) >Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:19:27 -0400 >From: Jerry Notaro >To: Sue >CC: Kate Tarasenko , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: NJC: NJC (windy) >Reply-To: Jerry Notaro > >Sue wrote: > >> Kate writes: >> >For Colin: I mean this most lovingly, my dear: You are the Marlene >> >Dietrich of this list -- you know you want to come back, so come back! >> >> Ahhh, this one had me rolling! Colin, where are you? What is your >> response to this? We all must know! Jerry Notaro adds ... >Yes. Though he is quite dear, he's had more farewell performances than >Sarah Bernhardt, the Divine One. > This may be true, but has he had as many as The Who? ;-) Don Rowe > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:36:51 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re:Damns!(NJC) Thomas Ross wrote: > > thinking of a 'Damn!' song and I need more! so far: > > damn. . .this traffic jam! - JT > damn everything but the circus! - ee > winter's a-comin' in! sing goddamn! - EP > damn the torpedoes! - (who?) > Damn the dam! -Busy Beaver > > I need more! help, please! > Frankly Scarlett, I'll probably think of more later: Give a Damn-Spanky and Our Gang Damn your love, damn your lies-Fleetwood Mac Damn the Topedoes-Tom Petty album ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:12:11 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: NJC (windy) Hi Sue-my little fit of pique is over. As regards Marlene, I always thought it was Greta Garbo who said 'I vant to be alone'! Anyway, I didn't laugh cos I missed the joke!!! But kate was kind enough to explain it-and no, I wasn't offended at all. Gee, considering all the other long and angry goodbyes others have made, mine didn't even merit a -1 ! I had no idea house buying would be so stressssssful! Sue wrote: > Kate writes: > >For Colin: I mean this most lovingly, my dear: You are the Marlene > >Dietrich of this list -- you know you want to come back, so come back! > > Ahhh, this one had me rolling! Colin, where are you? What is your > response to this? We all must know! > > Sue Cameron (Suze) - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:17:14 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) At 02:51 PM 2/3/99 -0600, you wrote: >God, Illinois has the freaking SQUARE DANCE as our state dance! I >feel like such a hick... > >Jethro Domyancich > Baby, you're so square ... and I don't care! Jethro, we's all meetn' down by the cement pond to hear Jed pluck a few tunes. Ya'll come on down now. Granny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 01:53:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Re: Lack of JC; ->Long Isn't it weird that we now have a recurring thread about the lack of Joni Content? Just asking.... Anyway, I'm glad to see the discussion. I enjoy most of the NJC threads, including the ones about sexual preferences different from my own. After all, what does it _cost_ me to skip things that I'm not interested in? Nothing. Tolerance folks. I have a video clip of Joni at Ben & Jerry's "Troubadors of Folk". She talks about non-divisionalism as a concept that she really likes. We spend so much time talking about differences between each other that we don't see the wonderful things that we have in common. Like in Sting's song "Russians" when he worries about the nuclear threat and wonders aloud if the Russians love their children too..... Of course they do! My point is that we don't spend enough time putting things together. It reminds me of a concert I attended once. The band divided the audience down the middle and asked those on each side to try to sing louder than the other side. By the end of the song, each side was booing the other side! Three Dog Night's front man said, "Wow! These are your *neighbors* you guys." My point: Tolerance is a key concept to the JMDL. They have many wise sayings in Alcoholics Annoymous. One of them sounds trite at first: "Take what you like and *leave* the rest." (My emphasis.) It means to accept the stuff that fills a need for you. As for the rest, do not criticize it because it may be valuable to someone else. There may be someone listening who is so different from you that they need to hear it. I enjoy hearing news about political struggles and everyday life in places other than the USA! I wish there was more of that on the JMDL. It never occured to me that in Austria you can't get Chinese food for example. The list will expand your world but only if you are *open* to diversity. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 02:30:11 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: The Box Set project I wonder if there's a full-length version of "I's A-Muggin" in the can somewhere? That would be fun! I'd like to hear some of the outtakes from Mingus too but I doubt she'd let any of it out.... (She did some tracks with a different band and didn't like the way it was going so she got the band that you hear on the Mingus album.) I'd pay money for that in the boxed set. Any other suggestions? What era would you most like to see represented in the boxed set that is rumored to be a future project? - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:05:31 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: damn! (njc) damn, i wish i was your lover sophie b. hawkins, certified one-hit wonder patrick np - purcell songs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:41:23 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: The Box Set project It would be great to see the Mingus demos out, or the early unreleased stuff. I think a nice booklet with some color photos and a concise biography should be included as well. Mark At 2:30 AM -0500 2/3/99, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I'd pay money for that in the boxed set. Any other suggestions? What > era would you most like to see represented in the boxed set that is > rumored to be a future project? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:42:40 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Re[4]: Am I a bad girl? (Nope - NJC) I'll bring in my wife (who's also my cousin) by her hair. At 6:17 PM -0500 2/3/99, luvart@snet.net wrote: > Baby, you're so square ... and I don't care! > Jethro, we's all meetn' down by the cement pond to hear Jed pluck a few > tunes. Ya'll come on down now. > Granny ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:58:35 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC TOP ALBUMS OF ALL TIME 1. The Eagles Greatest Hits 71-75 2. Michael Jackson-Thriller 3. Billy Joeles Greatest Hits 4. Pink Floyd - The Wall 5.Fleetwood Mac - Rumours 6.Led Zeppelin -Led Zepplein IV According to a news report just on tv - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:07:27 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC Blondie Blondie have made a new album released here and probably over there too. I quite enjoyed them in the 70's especially, Heart of Glass, Sunday Girl, Denis Denis, Hangin On The Telephone Atomic, Rapture, and more. Debbie must be well in her 50's yes? - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:36:49 -0800 From: "Davina Greenstein" Subject: Re: NJC Blondie Our beloved Colin wrote: Blondie have made a new album released here and probably over there too. Debbie must be well in her 50's yes? I saw a segment on her via the always entertaining VHI "Where are they now" program. She's still doing music which she spoke of, but has also been doing some acting. She has a role in an upcoming indie film that should be released soon if I remember correctly. And not to be catty, but she did look 50-ish on the interview... Best, Davina NP....the drone of the office AC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:00:28 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Re: Am I a bad girl? (joni content) Well, there is a town here in South Cackalackie called Possum Kingdom...but I'm sure all of the doc's in this town ain't never heard of no rubber gloves....Suzanne ( an S.C. girl takin' care of her own!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:27:37 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Stuff,Damns!, Rumi (NJC) In a message dated 2/3/99 1:38:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > Thomas makes a "damn" request: > > > < > damn. . .this traffic jam! - JT > damn everything but the circus! - ee > winter's a-comin' in! sing goddamn! - EP > damn the torpedoes! - (who?) > Damn the dam! -Busy Beaver > > I need more! help, please!>> > > God damn the pusher (Steppenwolf) > Goddamn, dim them headlights! (Also JT, "Brother Trucker") > Don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop is Viet Nam (Country Joe & The > Fish) > > And I'm sure there's a ton more... > > Bob > > NP: Neneh Cherry, "Move with me" > Ok, here's one (thanks to my hubby): "Whooo is the maaan who would give his life for fellow man?" "Shaft!" "Damn Right!" - - Shaft, by Isaac Hayes Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:18:10 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Unanswered Questions (JC) Hey, you guys! Can anyone answer these questions? I've asked them in previous posts but not gotten any responses, so I'm trying again. 1) I've been to the Elvis Costello Homepage looking for the Vanity Fair article where he praises the song Shades Of Shades Conquering, but I've been unable to find it. Can anyone transcribe this part and post it? I do sooooo want to read exactly what he said. 2) I am also interested in knowing what Joni has said in praise of Shawn Colvin. Again, I assume this is contained in a article and wonder if anyone can transcribe it or refer me to the appropriate source. 3) I recently posted something in regard to the "Joni Stats" thread where I mentioned my recollection (albeit vague) of reading an article (I think around the time TI was released) where Joni discusses selling her paintings (one to a Japanese person) and where she also mentions Americans being threatened by the "thrice gifted" (or something like that). I don't think I dreamed this up and I would really like to know in what publication that article appeared. Can anyone help with any or all of these questions? Thanks! Gina NP: My husband's playing James Brown (It's A Man's World) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 05:05:46 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: 2/7ths JC: LP auction LPs for sale: Make an offer by return email to me. You are bidding on all 7 albums as a collection. These are used records in average condition. I'll pay for shipping within the USA. Minimum bid: $9.00 "Mingus" by Joni Mitchell, a cutout. "For The Roses" by Joni Mitchell. "Concert For Bangladesh" by Geo Harrison & a cast of dozens, and includes the lavish 64 page book. "Beginnings" by Steve Howe (Yes' guitarist), a promo. "Atlantis" by Wayne Shorter. "Pearl Jam" by Pearl Jam. "New Year, New Band, New Company" by John Mayall. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:37:17 -0500 (EST) From: bhillis@onramp.ca (Patricia Hillis) Subject: Anne's comments and Joni in Murray's book. Re. Anne Madden's comments (Sex, Politics, Religion) I would like to add - "DITTO" If one wants to discuss other topics at length, why not e-mail privately to those who appear to want to talk about Clinton? Let's try short messages. People are more apt to read them. Canadian Singer/Songwriter, Murray McLauchlan's autobiography (Getting Out of Her Alive) talks about his very good friend Joni Mitchell. Is anyone reading this at the moment? I'm half-way through - great book. Pat "life is for learning" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:59:21 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Anne's comments and Joni in Murray's book. Pat wrote: >Murray McLauchlan's autobiography (Getting Out >of Her Alive) Titillating title! Marsha ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #56 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. 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