From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 055 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- CHANGE OF EMAIL ADRESS ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Joni songs in movies [MGVal@aol.com] Van Gogh and more (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: questions on joni stats [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Stuff Smith (NJC) [simon@icu.com] Re: Re[2]: Am I a bad girl? (joni content) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: questions on joni stats [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: Am I a bad girl? (joni content) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: Am I a bad girl? (joni content) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni music in Movies/TV [Brian Gross ] Re: Van Gogh and more (NJC) ["Marsha" ] The Rainy Night House/Al Kooper Thing [Westcoat98@aol.com] Happiness is a good laser lift ["Marsha" ] Re: Marian Unplugged Report [luvart@snet.net] Re: buzzing Marilyn ;~D [Susan Chaloner ] Nash, Cash and Joni. [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:55:21 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: CHANGE OF EMAIL ADRESS Please note : As of tomorrow, February 4, my two valid email adresses are : peter.holmstedt@emimusic.com and peter.holmstedt@telia.com Nothing else! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Subject: NJC - Suzanne Vega Suzanne Vega rocks. I've been a huge fan since 1986. I don't have everything, but I'm almost there. She has also done some fabulous covers, such as "Story of Isaac" by Leonard Cohen and "China Cat Sunflower" by the Dead. (oops! I brought up the Grateful Dead on the JMDL! I hope I can evade the JMDL Po-lice!). I've seen her several times and even had a "moment" (which I won't bore you with). She is so real. Down to earth. I went to high school with a pen pal of hers, answer to a good fan letter. 3 yrs that I know of. Nine Objects of Desire is marvelous. A new release is highly anticipated, but Suzanne had been touring a lot for a long time and I think she's taking a much-deserved break to qualitize with her family. Hey, She's allowed. I think "Stockings" is one of the best songs of the '90's ("When the gin and tonic makes the room begin to spin...oh, yeah") Anyway enough from me, I got carried away. Hope everyone is well! B.- Your eyes on fire from J&B and coke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:06:57 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni songs in movies Pulled from the digests: >>P.S. I remember watching some T.V. movie way back in the late 70's about an anorexic girl. "Songs To Aging Children Come" was part of that movie. Anybody remember seeing that? They also used that song in the movie "Alice's Restaurant." MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:29:30 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Van Gogh and more (NJC) I'm sure Kakki will be writing a full rport when she recovers :) but just a quick note to say what a fab time I had Sunday. The Van Gogh exhibit was awesome - seeing those paintings up close and "in the flesh" was very moving. Didn't like the herding that went on...I wouldn't have been surprised to see the security people using cattle prods! Dinner at the Daily Grill was also swell...soaking in the atmosphere of Joni's preferred dining place. And of course, topping the evening off at the Kakki Shack...Kakki is truly the hostess with the mostest. As with all the Joni gatherings, it's the people who made it special...Kakki, Ken, Mark, Lori, Clark, Phyllis, Michael Paz...wow, what a cast! Sorry I wasn't able to stick around longer - Monday morning was raising its ugly head...Michael's VG-8 sure was fun to play with - he even has a "dulcimer" mode dialled in! Clark wrote: >They were polite enough to listen to my >fledgling efforts as a songwriter, and all of them are very good singers! Sorry I missed the originals!!! Next time, hopefully! And Clark is way to kind about singing talent...wait till you hear me trying to carry a tune...I didn't have THAT much wine, so kept my mouth shut! >I think Les does an excellent job of editing the posts into the Digests, and I >recommend subscribing to them for anyone who thinks this List has too much of >anything. Actually, Clark, I don't think Les does any editing at all, the digests being generated automatically. Thanks to Kakki for organizing the gathering, and all who participated! OK, what's next? ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:17:03 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: questions on joni stats In a message dated 2/2/99 1:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << << 11. does she have to pay chuck royalties? >> > > For what? Chuck did not co-write any of her songs. For the "Mitchell" name...people have sued for less! Marilyn >> But she is legally entitled to it by marriage. There's no law that says she HAS to chage her name, either back to her maiden name or to that or a new husband. Chuck would have no claim here. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:17:18 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Re: Stuff Smith (NJC) Randy writes ... >______________________________________________________________________ > I've long appreciated Stuff Smith. His 1936 era Onyx Club >recordings are absolutely classic! So I was glad to get this >background info. I also have an album he did with guitarist >Herb Ellis in 1963 that is quite nice. Jazz lovers (esp violin jazz) >are urged to check him out. Cool Stuff fer sure. > >On CD >STUFF SMITH 'Onyx Club Spree' #TPZ 1061, Pavilion Records LTD (UK) >Contains 30's gems including the reefer song "You'se a Viper" and a >hot "After You've Gone" (but not "I's a Muggin'") >______________________________________________________________________ Randy, the CD ~ STUFF SMITH 'The Mad Genius Of The Violin, Vol. 1' EPM/JAZZ ARCHIVES 5085 158912 2 also contains the origial studio versions of You'se A Viper", "After You've Gone" and also 2-takes of "Onyx Club Spree". Cool stuff, indeed. damn Hot Stuff as well. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:42:38 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Am I a bad girl? (joni content) In a message dated 2/2/99 6:04:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << FWIW, on more than one ocassion I have asked for a discount with doctors & dentists for their delays in seeing me. It doesn't always work but it has sometimes - They won't charge for an X-Ray or something like that, but if nothing else, it may make them more aware of your schedule next time 'round. Of course, if nothing else you can always rip off their magazines...;~D Bob >> all right bobby boy, FIRST of all, what does FWIW stand for? i have worn myself out trying all sorts of combinations..."for well in wood" "forthwith instant worldliness" (and then there were all the dirty ones, which i will spare you! ...you're welcome!) until my head ached. so spill it. i am curious yellow. and SECONDLY my doctors are all in some big city hospital...now i know you come from one of those backwoods cracker towns in - what is it - buzzards beak south carolina? something like that, where everyone is related and married to a distant cousin, so i am sure it is no problem for the doctor to charge you one less goat or maybe only HALF of aunt lurlene's tuna casserole for making you turn your head and cough, but it just would NOT WORK up here in yankee land. they would look at me and probably use that rubber glove withOUT the KY, if you catch my drift, just to get even. and besides, i am too embarrassed to actually go out and buy PEOPLE magazine...so it all works out!!! and don't be offended now. i am just indulging in some wicked wit. I KNOW that south carolina is not crackerland. (now GEORGIA is another story altogether, right marsha? marsha??? you still there honey?) but you southerners are just so EASY!!! keep smiling brother bob. (or is it billy-bob?) (and tell this list to take a nap and call me in the morning) love and peace!!! (i am preachin' love - i am!!!) ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:05:52 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: questions on joni stats In a message dated 2/2/99 6:31:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Was he the guy "with her name on all his papers?" >> I don't know why I've long thought that was David Geffen. Could it have been him or some other agent of hers? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:35:44 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Am I a bad girl? (joni content) for what its worth!!!! well knock me over with a feather! thanks paul. i can sleep now... peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:30:55 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Am I a bad girl? (joni content) In a message dated 2/2/99 8:50:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << what does FWIW stand for? >> For What It's Worth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:18:41 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni music in Movies/TV Vanessa Thomson wrote: > This is just rambling but... > > why when then mention Joni in movies/t.v shows etc, do they always use > her earlier music, like from Blue or from Clouds? > > i.e. Party of Five episode ' River' > You've Got Mail 'River' and 'Both Sides Now' > E.R. episode 'A Case of You' > > I can't think of any more off the top of my head. Does anyone have any > theories? > > I assume that perhaps it is more commercial, more accessible? What > other shows/movies have mentioned Joni songs and what were they? How about 'River' on thirtysomething and 'Circle Game' on Wonder Years And I heard a blurb on CBS about a TV movie in the few weeks called 'Night Ride Home' Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:24:49 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Van Gogh and more (NJC) That party animal Steverino wrote: >Thanks to Kakki for organizing the gathering, and all who participated! Wish I could have joined you all in the fun! I understand some heavy harmonizing was going on to some CSNY along with Joni tunes. >OK, what's next? I say we all book to Europe when Joni does her thing with the Chieftans, visit Marian in Vienna to applaud her next show, then my beau and I will head to a Grecian isle to do the goat dance very well... Lets make it in the summer when all the blooms grace the parks. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:41:55 EST From: Westcoat98@aol.com Subject: The Rainy Night House/Al Kooper Thing For what it's worth, I've always heard that "Rainy Night House" is about Leonard Cohen. Also, Al Kooper made a record in the 80's called "Championship Wrestling" that's a killer. The trick is finding it on cd. That's it for me.... Terry Reid NP: Pete Townshend/Ronnie Lane "Rough Mix" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:18:36 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Happiness is a good laser lift I have been accused of focusing on beauty enhancement minutiae in the past (Hiya, Skinny D!...oh yes, he's not with us any longer)...and since BobM sez: >I'll yield to Marsha the medical marvel who got the same >close-up I did... and then Deb muses on the cosmetic thing with JM: >>I cannot believe she has no gray hair. She's in her mid fifties, after all. And she's had different shades of blonde over the years - wasn't she really, really platinum in the Refuge of the Roads video?>> >>That photo in the NY Times Magazine - does it look like she's had plastic surgery?>> and Terry, Marian, and Phyliss say nay on the nips and tucks of traditional facelift procedures with scalpels... The way I see it, looking at all her photos through the years and then finally seeing her in person, up close by INCHES, sans make-up in the afternoon, then radiantly made up that night at the Ritz in Atlanta last November, (and having a huge interest in all the latest bang up procedures out there that the docs are now doing), I think Ms. Joan has had possible laser refining of some surface scars (one on her left chin/jowl area from earlier years is now gone), or possible collagen injections with those tiny needles. I saw no evidence of that smoker's mouth she should have after 45+ years of holding ciggies in her lips. Yes, that photo in the NYTimes (I am looking at it now) shows every line as if the side lighting was harsh with a digital camera being used. Her skin was much smoother and plumped in November and also in May for the taping special. With the wonders of such things in the make-up bag of tricks like Preparation H... I kid you not..there are now products with the same active ingredients as that shrinkage miracle for the pain and itch of you-know-what; I think the types of creams and colors used have made the biggest difference in Joni's skin appearance. And her hair color/tone is bright and shiny as it would be with enhancement agents. In the 70's and 80's she had fat deposits under her eyes that are no longer there. Bags under the eyes do not recede as folks age. I am of the opinion that if Joni has not gone under the knife or needle or laser light, then she has magic skin. I guess anything is possible. I realize she has said she has not had a face-lift, and technically this may be true. A rhytidectomy (traditional face-lift procedure) is extreme, with long incisions and muscles suspended and skin removed. I always laugh at those stars who make the video tapes/books for sale with their "secret make-up tips revealed!"...all they really need to do is give the names of their plastic surgeons. I admire women like Phylis Diller, who looks better in her eighties than she did in her 40's, and readily admits to her surgeries through the years before it was fashionable to fess up to such things. Age purists are welcome to enjoy all that natural aging, loss of collagen and muscle tone that they can stand. The rest of us can laugh all the way to the day surgi-center... Marsha, RN, who doesn't know a single 55 year old without jowls and a wattle that didn't have medical intervention of some sort. That doesn't even count smokers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:20:18 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Marian Unplugged Report At 07:34 AM 2/1/99 +0100, you wrote: >Just wanted to let you all know about my gig on Sunday - Jan. 31st. > >It was a *very* cold night in Vienna - at least minus 10 degrees >Centigrade and the wind was blowing - so I was especially grateful for >the dear souls who braved the cold to come and hear me play. > Marian - It sounds like everything went well! Congratulations! I wish I were there to hear you! I would have braved the cold. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 23:05:48 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: buzzing Marilyn ;~D M & C Urbanski wrote: > haawoooo...I got a buzz just reading this! Well just take that buzz and Reggae with it darlin' ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe -...Ooooooou....aaaaaaaaa...Oooooooou....Come to me babe...I believe you'd be a fine addition to my every expanding harem ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:20:53 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Nash, Cash and Joni. To all you good boys and girls who bed down at a respectable hour,and choose not to roam through the late hours of the night, as Joni and I do, I just saw Tom Synder show, and Graham Nash was his guest. Some photos he had taken over the years were shown, one was a silloute of Johnny Cash taken , as Nash stated" the night Joan,Joni Mitchell played with him." Also good news that CSN&Y were in the studio cutting a new CD, and the topper was that they were going to do a 40 show tour near the end of July. Sure would be great if they would invite Joni along to run with the boys ! Also as for the younger people listening to Joni, a friend of mine has a son in school in Oxford who attended a great party where Joni was playing on the Hi-fi so he said he had a friend who just photographed her concert in Atlanta, To whitch the excitement grew and they said they read the homepage all the time and were well informed on everything Joni! So if you kids in England are tuned in, I just want to say this parent wants to commend you on your excellent choice in your party music, you will graduate with some sort of substance! Wally, it sure is good to see your name back on the post, hope your healing is God-speed...Good morning to you all! David Mingus ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #55 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. 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