From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #53 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 053 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A SUGGESTION for NJC threads [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Sex, Politics & Religion [Susan Chaloner ] (NJC) or is it? [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] A conversation with Joni on JC/NJC ["M & C Urbanski" ] NJC (JC) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Is anyone familiar with this Al Cooper reference to "Rainy Night House" [Randy Remote ] HDCDs and Blue [w evans ] Re: NJC (JC) ["Marsha" ] Re: lobster&demo (njc) [jan ] Sex, Politics, Religion, and all things NJC [evian Subject: Re: Sex, Politics & Religion This is Georgia 2 to Joni blue: I have returned as per our Comic/Karmic Contract...Pass the bong darlin'...reggae on the weather ;~D Is this influential enough to maintain the harmony? 8~D If not, reggae slower and deeper ;~) Georgia 2- Well, I'm not blonde but I'm a soprano with beautiful blue eyes...two outta three ain't bad ;~D By the wave SteveD: MaryP says hi. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 13:59:22 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: (NJC) or is it? Nothing much to add to this really, ...strange how I posted about encountering a nasty experience on another List, to then come back here and have some pretty heated 'discussions' on the topic on NJC. How about I add this incendiary remark: I find that the List is primarily dominated by American current affairs and for me...- this- is tedious! I really don't mind the NJC, occasionally it gets overwhelming and I find myself abit put off but I just delete and move on. I find that more often than not I would prefer -not- to add my .02c worth as it can be so subjective. I can only hope that we move on from this, although history of the List has shown that this topic comes in cycles. I will say that Colin has been one of the lovely people on the List and has -always- been delightful when communicating with me. Take care Colin. So here's to rediscovering our joy in communication and perhaps we can agree to disagree and move forward. BTW, great thread's Marilyn. Vanessa. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:00:31 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: A conversation with Joni on JC/NJC Is it the blue moon or what people? Relax, take a pill! Joni content...Joni content... We can talk about Martha... We can talk about landscapes... Sorry Joni you're out of line... About Jesus or Hitler...? NO! Howard Hugh or Charlie Chaplin's movies...? Joni, go somewhere else to talk about that NJC Please just come and talk to me any old theme you choose Sorry missy NOT ALLOWED! You could talk like a fool--I'd listen NO! NO! NO! Is it the key to your freedom or is it the bars on your prison? We have guide lines here you know Are you gagged by your ribbons? Are you really exclusive or just miserly? We are exclusively Joni Mitchell talk Come and spend some on me- Shut me up and talk to me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 23:36:13 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: NJC (JC) ...We could talk about Marsha... ;~D We could talk about landscapes... I'm not above gossip But I'll sit on a secret where ho*N*or is at stake! Or we could talk about power... About *J*esus and Hitler and Howard Hughes... Or *C*harley Chaplin's movies... Or Bergman's *N*ordic blues... Please *J*ust *C*ome and talk to me A*N*y old theme you choose *J*ust *C*ome and talk to me... This anti-NJC thread is much more annoying and a far greater waste of band-width than sex, religion or politics IMNSHO! One reason I love Joni is because she addresses these impolite subjects so passionately and intelligently. And I have found that her fans debate these issues on a much loftier, compassionate level than any discussion group out there. It is very insulting to be told to find another list if I can't stick to strict JC. Rather than requesting the discussion be limited to JC, may I suggest that NJC-phobes learn how to filter NJC from the subject line of their email or else spend a few extra seconds scrolling past NJC? When I first joined the JMDL I complained about NJC until I realized what a selfish jerk I was being. I discovered that it isn't really difficult to scroll or delete, and found that I actually enjoy some NJC more than the JC confessionals, games and polls. I bet that when Joni reads this list, which I have no doubt she does every now & then, she is proud of the wide range of topics her fans discuss. Can you imagine how bored she'd be if we restricted the discussion to: "Gee, Joni is so great"? E.T. NP: TTT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:19:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Is anyone familiar with this Al Cooper reference to "Rainy Night House" "Leong, Dennis" wrote: > > Not to burst anyone's bubble, but several years ago I read an excerpt from > an > autobiography by a fellow named Al Cooper. I'm not sure exactly what Al's > claim to fame is or was, although I believe he may have been a member of the > '60's band "Blood, Sweat and Tears." > Al claims in his book that he and Joni hooked up, and > that "Rainy Night House" is about an experience he and Joni shared. (I > presume it was a rainy night, and Joni and Al took a taxi to Al's mother's > home, and Al's mother was out of town, . . . Al Kooper was indeed leader of Blood, Sweat and Tears only for their first album "Child is Father To the Man". He wrote "This Diamond Ring" (Gary Lewis & The Playboys big hit), did the "Supersession" album with S.Stills, and that's his rolling Hammond organ on Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone", to name a few of his rock credentials. I don't know about his "Rainy Night" story, but he just came out with a new book about his life in rock and roll which I have not read but read good things about. His new book is called "Backstage Passes and Backstabbing Bastards: Memoirs of a Rock and Roll Survivor". Confusingly enough, he has an out of print book called "Backstage Passes: Rock and Roll Life In the Sixties", which is probably the one you are referring to. I do not know (and the review I read did not say) if the second book recycles the content of the first. I remember an interview I heard ages ago where a DJ was asking Joni about "Rainy Night House", and asked if the "Holy Man on the FM Radio" referred to a radio jock. Joni laughed and said, no, she was referring to a musician. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:26:12 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Is anyone familiar with this Al Cooper reference to "Rainy Night House" This just in: I should have checked out Amazon.com first. The book is reviewed by Kooper himself, also another reviewer mentions "I didn't know about the Joanie (sic) Mitchell story". All the reviewers loved the book. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 21:33:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC (JC) Eric Taylor wrote: > ...We could talk about Marsha... ;~D > We could talk about landscapes... > And I have found that her fans debate these issues on a much > loftier, compassionate level than any discussion group out there. It is very > insulting to be told to find another list if I can't stick to strict JC. > Rather than requesting the discussion be limited to JC, may I suggest > that NJC-phobes learn how to filter NJC from the subject line of their email > or else spend a few extra seconds scrolling past NJC? Well said, Eric ! ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 00:47:46 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: HDCDs and Blue Nobody responded to my earlier post about this, so I'll ask again: I've seen STAS, Cloud, Ladies, with the HDCD sticker and they all have new packaging (with the blurb on the back and the bottom about remasterd by Joe Gastwirt) but the discs of Blue that I've seen with the HDCD sticker do not have new packaging, it's the same as the old one. (Well, old since the "newly packaged" nonsense from 1995 or so.) So, can anyone confirm whether or not these new Blues are, indeed, HDCD?!? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 01:26:58 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: NJC (JC) RandyRe quoted the ET: >> ...We could talk about Marsha... ;~D >> We could talk about landscapes... >> And I have found that her fans debate these issues on a much >> loftier, compassionate level than any discussion group out there. Hugs and kisses to all my adoring fans out there in Joniland! ...oh, you meant Joni's fans... Never mind, Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:36:02 -0800 From: jan Subject: Re: lobster&demo (njc) At 04:35 AM 1/31/99 -0500, you wrote: >I think it was Tristan Tzara or one of those dada cats who walked his pet >lobster on the Champs d'Elysees. No, the beats didn't invent bohemianism. >Tom Ross > I think it's Gerard De Nerval. - -jan np: 'Walk Lobster' -B52s ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 00:57:20 -0600 From: evian Subject: Sex, Politics, Religion, and all things NJC > I for one am really sick of this list being used as a soapbox for gay > > issues, politics and religion. > I disagree. I have been on the list for just about a year now, and when I signed up, I was so excited to read and learn all about Joni. At first, I used to scroll past all of the NJC stuff. However, if this list was limited to all things Joni, it would be boring as hell. I probably only communicate with maybe a handful of people from here off-list, but this is largely because I am usually too lazy to email people privately with a "me-too" post, expressing my agreement with their ideas. I truly enjoy the NJC on the list -- it is what allows us to learn about each other, and through our posts, we convey a sense of who we are, what our interests are, and what we believe in. True, some threads drive me up the wall from time to time, so when that occurs, I just scroll past them until the thread dies. It is through people's NJC posts that I am able to construct some image of them in my mind. Even though I have never communicated directly with many people on the list, I have images of them in my head from their posts, and I feel like I know them already. I recently was searching for a Stevie Nicks or Fleetwood Mac list to join, and they all sounded so strict. The one Stevie list I looked into had a firm rule that people could only talk about Stevie, and could show no disrespect. Well, I started thinking how boring that would be. How many times can you say that "Fireflies" is your favorite song, or whatever? Also, the restriction to negative things made me think of this list, and how the negative things said about Joni has allowed us to strengthen our opinions and look at things from another perspective. Thus, I decided against the Stevie list, simply because with stringent rules like that, people cannot really get to know each other, and no debate can be made. I pictured a few hundred people sitting front of their computers draped in chiffon and raving over and over about the same old things, and it gave me the willies.. LOL! So, my long-winded point is that it is through the debates/conversations/random thoughts/whatever of listers about sexuality, religion, politics, etc. we learn about and from each other. And I also think that all these debates are damn interesting! How can we say that politics are not important when we damn well know that Joni may very well get DED longings and write some songs about the Clinton years? How can we say that sexuality is not important either, with Joni taking a journalistic beating for being "Rock's Old Lady", for depicting the story in "Two Grey Rooms", and from a general perspective of how sexuality inadvertently labels us -- after all, isn't Joni someone who is disgusted with labelling? Keep up the debates and thoughts and random posts that are NJC, listers... It makes the list a multi-faceted place to be. Evian np: Steve Winwood -- Arc of a Diver ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #53 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. 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