From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #50 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, January 31 1999 Volume 04 : Number 050 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Trusting Clinton ["John Villasana" ] Joni-mention in the latest RS [RMuRocks@aol.com] Book with Joni content ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Book with Joni content ["Kakki" ] Re: Book with Joni content (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Close Your Eyes [cco@xs4all.nl] Re: Book with Joni content ["Ken (Slarty)" ] bootleg Joni [Fenix40@aol.com] Re: Close Your Eyes [Randy Remote ] Re: the man hater's club [AzeemAK@aol.com] Joni the lobster ["Deb Messling" ] new joni thread ["amy" ] Re: Luthier (NJC) [The Humphreys ] NJCRe: Book with Joni content [catman ] Re: Close Your Eyes [catman ] Re: Joni the lobster [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Joni the lobster [luvart@snet.net] Re: Joni the lobster [luvart@snet.net] Re: Joni the lobster [Gellerray@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 03:27:56 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Trusting Clinton Me too, HaHa :-) jOhn - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki To: John Villasana ; Joni List Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 3:27 AM Subject: Re: Trusting Clinton >John wrote: > >>No offence Kakki, but who cares how much you trust Clinton on this >subject. You're not his wife or >>his kid. > >I'm sorry, John - I can't help that I was born with a recessive "me, too" >gene. > >Kakki > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:15:27 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Joni-mention in the latest RS Hey all & Happy weekend to ya' - a couple notes here: 1. There's a mention in the latest Rolling Stone (Lauryn Hill on cover). It is in the cover story, and states "The songs that became The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill revealed her to have Joni Mitchell's intense singer-songwriter integrity, Bob Marley's revolutionary spirit and young Chaka Khan's all- natural, Everywoman sensuality". (My own note: she also interprets part of I Corinthians 13 on her disc as Joni did with "Love"). I have to confess that after spinning the disc half a dozen times, it has grown on me considerably, although I do tire of her constant note-bending; Stevie Wonder at least knew when to hold the note for a couple of beats, Lauryn feels like she's gotta "Whitney-Houstonize" every note to death. But I do her enjoy her rhyming schemes; they're very creative and unique and make up for the monotonous musical patterns. 2. I finally picked up on the "Mermaid Ave." collection of Woody Guthrie songs with music by Wilco and performed by same with Billy Bragg. It's as good as I had read about and also as praised by my fellow listers. I was also lucky enough to pick up for free at the record store a bonus EP which features a couple cuts not on the disc as well as a couple tunes (California Stars, At My Window Sad & Lonely) done differently than on the record. 3. Guilty pleasure Dept.: I also got the new Black Crowes disc, and have enjoyed pulling my old air guitar out of the closet. They don't break any new ground here, but they do rock out like 60's era Stones/Faces and you know, sometimes that's good enough for me... Bob NP: Billy Bragg & Wilco, "Christ For President" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:20:12 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Book with Joni content A book by Song Writer Jimmy Webb has some Joni content in it. How much I don't know as I haven't had a chance to see it yet but if your at a book store have a browse. The book is called "Tunesmith: Inside the Art of songwriting" from Hyperion. Webb is the writer of such famous songs as "By The Time I Get To Phoenix," "Up, Up & Away," and "Mac Arthur Park." I found out about this from Ross Porter from the CBC Jazz radio program After Hours. The same night he mentioned this he also played Summertime from Herbie Hancocks new cd and one of his favorite cd's of the month is the Kyle Eastwood cd "From There To Here" I've also heard a fair amount of Jazz versions of Joni's songs on his program. One that comes to mind is "Be Cool". If you have Real Audio you can hear the program live over the internet between 10 and Midnight est. Monday to Fridays ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:21:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Book with Joni content Ken wrote: >A book by Song Writer Jimmy Webb has some Joni content >in it. How much I don't know as I haven't had a chance >to see it yet but if your at a book store have a >browse. The book is called "Tunesmith: Inside the Art >of songwriting" from Hyperion. I've read through most of the book and found references to Joni about four or five times times. Webb also gives her special thanks in the book. Unfortunately, the index does not list persons' names so I can't easily find all of them. Here are a few excerpts: "Songwriting styles since the early '70s have incorporated more and mroe frequently what has come to be known as a conversational tone. The flowery, sentinmental and overwrought lyrics of the traditionalists have been replaced by an almost off-hand 'this is the way people tak' minimalism and musical equivalent of cinema verite. This has eroded to some extent the cut and dried, formulaic trechniques of our predecessors. In 1972, on her For the Roses album, Joni Mitchell wrote "Woman of Heart and Mind" [here he includes part of the song]. In 1973 she was already well on her way to defining conversational tone when she wrote these lyrics" [from Raised on Robbery]. "In July 1996 Details magazine, Joni Mitchell responded to the somewhat loaded question, 'what do you think of music these days?' 'It's appalingly sick for the most part. It's boring chord movement and bad acting.' Later she sounded off in Rollling Stone (March 7, 1997): [The new music is] building off something that wasn't very good in the first place. Back before the singer/songwriter, a very competent lyricist did the words. But everybody does both now, so you've got a lot of mediocrity." Jimmy also mentions that Carly Simon's album "Letters Never Sent" was inspired entirely by actual letters that she chose not to mail and subsequently found in a forgotten cache in her house and says that he once wrote a song - 'Similie' - for Joni about a letter he had sent her that ended up behind her couch, resulting in the fact that she didn't answer it until quite a few years later when she was in the process of moving. Speaking of Jimmy, something announced on his list recently has me a little intrigued. He is in negotiations to produce a album for "a legendary artist" and is thinking of delaying touring and his own planned album this year. It also mentions that this is a project that would be a departure from this "artist's" regular work. Hmmmm. Of course, my imagination starting working, thinking it *could* possibly be an album of old standards for guess who, like he recently produced for Carly. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:29:23 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Book with Joni content (NJC) Dear listers and spell checkers - Please forgive my many typos on the last post and in recent posts - Old age is setting in and I need new contact lenses! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:06:56 +0100 (CET) From: cco@xs4all.nl Subject: Close Your Eyes Today I bought the CD _Close Your Eyes_ by Joni and James Taylor. The booklet contains no information, only a picture of Joni and two quotes in German. The back says 'recorded live in the USA'. The woman at the store told me it was not a bootleg, but I can't find this title in the Joni discography on Wally's page. Can anyone tell me more about this CD? Monica ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:26:12 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Book with Joni content Thanks for that info Kakki and don't worry about spelling mistakes I didn't notice a one. That would be neat if he was going to do the production for Joni's next album. Great detective work. Wonder if it will pan out. Kakki wrote: > I've read through most of the book and found references to Joni about four > or five times times. Webb also gives her special thanks in the book. > Unfortunately, the index does not list persons' names so I can't easily find > all of them. > > He is in negotiations to produce a album for "a legendary > artist" Of course, my imagination > starting working, thinking it *could* possibly be an album of old standards > for guess who, like he recently produced for Carly. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:36:24 EST From: Fenix40@aol.com Subject: bootleg Joni Hey everybody - I mentioned a while ago a CD of a Joni and James Taylor concert that a friend played for me. I've had the chance to really listen to it since then. It's from Britain, it is most definitely a bootleg, and it was recorded in London in 1970. The liner notes on it are wrong -- they call one of the songs "Rainy Day Man", a JT song that Bonnie Raitt does a great cover of. This song is actually "Good Samaritan", a rarity I had heard of but probably never heard. It's a nice song, about a reluctant lending of a tool shed to a traveler on a rainy night (that's probably why it got mislabeled). Joni wonders if she should have let him inside the house since he might have been an angel (who may have bestowed heavenly pleasures upon her?) She can't sleep, and in the morning, he's gone.... It sounds to me like it is played in the same tuning as This Flight Tonight except for the bass string which is tuned higher. It is beautifully strummed. I believe I heard this recording one time only years ago as a teenager when it was a bootleg called "In Harmony" or "In Concert" -- something like that. I remember a drawing on the front of two birds, one for Joni, one for James. Strange, since I heard it over 25 years ago, but I remember bits of the intros to the song: Taylor saying he could play "For Free" a little bit on his guitar, and then a false start, where he tells Joni he will catch up with her. The strangest thing is hearing Joni introduce "Gallery" to the audience and her pronouncing the word "beauty" with a very hard T. Is this getting obsessive or, what? One thing kind of comforting is to hear Joni make mistakes as she does all her elaborate pickings. Not like I would wish a sour note on anyone, but it helps me accept my own numerous guitar mistakes. I am still in awe at how she picks and sings at the same time, with a steady hand on the guitar and contrasting improvisational flights in her voice. Clark NP: Al Jarreau, Greatest Hits ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:39:25 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Close Your Eyes cco@xs4all.nl wrote: > Today I bought the CD _Close Your Eyes_ by Joni and James Taylor. The > booklet contains no information, only a picture of Joni and two quotes in > German. The back says 'recorded live in the USA'. The woman at the store > told me it was not a bootleg, but I can't find this title in the Joni > discography on Wally's page. Can anyone tell me more about this CD? > Monica It's a bootleg. The clerk was either uninformed or (more likely) covering her ass. Don't know whether the info "rec in USA" is correct. Bootleg info often isn't. My copy is Italian, with excellent sound quality, Living Legend Records 1991. Yours may be a copy of that, a common bootleg practice. There is a landscape photo on the cover of mine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:48:20 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: the man hater's club In a message dated 1/23/99 11:25:03PM, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << lyrically the song is just stunning. it takes a real artist to describe a scene and comment on it at the same time. for example: "pawn shops glitter like gold tooth caps; they chew the last few dollars off old beale street's carcass" this is a literal description of what she sees as she's "lookin' up and down old beale street" and yet it simultaneously expounds upon it, broadens its meaning. its a brilliant song, on a breathtaking, timeless album. >> Now there's synchronicity, Ric! I was walking to work the other day, when those two lines just popped into my head from nowhere. I have never tried to learn the words to Hejira, so that every time I listen to it I can be astounded by a new line I'm focusing on. The second part, about chewing the last etc, I knew very well, but for some reason that day I suddenly remembered the line about pawn shops, and realised that it had to come before, and how perfect a simile it is. Then to follow it up with "Carrion and mercy", well that's just genius... Azeem in London NP: nothing, but I can hear the Gypsy Kings from the flat upstairs, which I'm not too thrilled about... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:49:09 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Joni the lobster My significant other tells me that NPR ran a story today of a guy who received a live Nova Scotia lobster as a gift. He didn't have the heart to boil it, so he kept it as a pet and named it Joni Mitchell, since it came from Canada. FWIW. Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:04:03 -0500 From: "amy" Subject: new joni thread It's been awhile, but I thought I would take a shot at this one... ....you think i'm like your mother or another lover or your sister or the QUEEN of your dreams or just -A-nother silly g-I-rl when love -M-akes a fool of me woman of heart and mind... what a song...what a lyric! best to all, amy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:45:22 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Re: Luthier (NJC) You may have received many replies by now, but I've not read through all of the posts yet. Luthier is indeed the correct term for a guitar maker, or stringed instrument maker. My very best friend is one! I can't find it in my dictionary either. Oh well... hope this helps! Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:05:14 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJCRe: Book with Joni content Jimmy Webb did do Film Noir with Carly Simon. Although I hate to admit it, it is the only Carly I do not like. It is dull. Unlike her two other albums of 'standards', Torch and My Romance. colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:05:04 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Close Your Eyes I think it was mentioned here on the list that this is actually a BBC recording of a concert. I have the cd and like it. cco@xs4all.nl wrote: > Today I bought the CD _Close Your Eyes_ by Joni and James Taylor. The > booklet contains no information, only a picture of Joni and two quotes in > German. The back says 'recorded live in the USA'. The woman at the store > told me it was not a bootleg, but I can't find this title in the Joni > discography on Wally's page. Can anyone tell me more about this CD? > Monica - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:53:57 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni the lobster In a message dated 1/30/99 6:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: > My significant other tells me that NPR ran a story today of a guy who > received a live Nova Scotia lobster as a gift. He didn't have the > heart to boil it, so he kept it as a pet and named it Joni Mitchell, > since it came from Canada. > Oh, that is just too good...best chuckle I've had all day - thanks! Gina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:33:23 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Joni the lobster At 06:49 PM 1/30/99 +0000, you wrote: >My significant other tells me that NPR ran a story today of a guy who >received a live Nova Scotia lobster as a gift. He didn't have the >heart to boil it, so he kept it as a pet and named it Joni Mitchell, >since it came from Canada. > >FWIW. > Deb & all - Yes! This was a little short story on NPR this morning! I heard it on my way to a symposium & collectors panel related to the recent Pieter de Hooch exhibit here in Hartford. Excellent exhibit!! Anyhoo - there were two lobsters, Jeffery (named after "i don't know who") and Joni. And it was specifically mentioned that it was named after Joni Mitchell because these were Canadian lobsters. They are now being looked after by some school students. Gee - do you think there was any chance that this could've been a "Blue" lobster?! This little story made my morning .... Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:55:30 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Joni the lobster At 11:33 PM 1/30/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Yes! This was a little short story on NPR this morning! I heard it on my >way to a symposium & collectors panel related to the recent Pieter de Hooch >exhibit here in Hartford. Excellent exhibit!! >Anyhoo - there were two lobsters, Jeffery (named after "i don't know who") >and Joni. And it was specifically mentioned that it was named after Joni >Mitchell because these were Canadian lobsters. They are now being looked >after by some school students. Gee - do you think there was any chance >that this could've been a "Blue" lobster?! And I forgot to add that they ended the segment by playing CSN&Y "Teach your children" Coincidence? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 00:20:16 EST From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni the lobster priceless story--very very very cute. is this kind of reply just wasting "bandwidth" as you all call it? r ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #50 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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