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JMDL Digest         Saturday, January 30 1999         Volume 04 : Number 049



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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: Trusting Clinton                             ["Kakki" <kakkib@att.net>]
  Re: the Talmud and the President (NJC)  [catman <catman@ethericcats.demon.]
  Re: New Joni thread                                     [DreamZvil@aol.com]
  Re: jmdl Hejira -- A Parody of combined threads  ["Winfried Hühn" <whuehn@]
  Re: New Joni thread        [Mark-n-Travis <mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net>]
  going to the City of the Fallen Angels  [Mark-n-Travis <mark-n-travis@worl]
  Re: Paprika Plains                                      [DreamZvil@aol.com]
  Re: going to the City of the Fallen Angels              [DreamZvil@aol.com]
  Re: going to the City of the Fallen Angels             [TerryM2442@aol.com]
  Re: New Joni thread                                    [MHart16164@aol.com]
  Re: New Joni thread                                      [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
  Re: The President                       [Debra Kaufman <djk@math.duke.edu>]
  Re: joni & jazz                         [Debra Kaufman <djk@math.duke.edu>]
  Early lyrics to "All I Want"                     ["Kakki" <kakkib@att.net>]
  Re: Early lyrics to "All I Want"                       [RickieLee1@aol.com]
  email tag                              [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)]
  Luthier (NJC)                          [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)]
  Nicolette (NJC)                                    [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us]
  Re: The President                 [catman <catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk>]
  Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC)                     [luvart@snet.net]
  Re: Luthier (NJC)                                ["Kakki" <kakkib@att.net>]
  Re: Luthier (NJC)                      [Randy Remote <guitarzan@saber.net>]

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:08:23 -0800
From: "Kakki" <kakkib@att.net>
Subject: Re: Trusting Clinton 

John wrote:

>No offence Kakki,  but who cares how much you trust Clinton on this
subject.  You're not his wife or
>his kid.

I'm sorry, John - I can't help that I was born with a recessive "me, too"
gene.

Kakki

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:18:23 +0000
From: catman <catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President (NJC)

Eric Taylor wrote:

> CarltonCT@aol.com wrote:
>
> <<The Founding Fathers of this country were by and large a collection of
> atheists and deists, not Christians. Most, like Washington and Franklin,
> believed in a Creator who did not intervene in the affairs of humans, so
> they thought prayer was quite useless and did not defer to a "divine
> authority.">>
>
>     51 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were
> Freemasons -- a fraternity of Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Druidic, and Deist
> mystics whom embrace the best of all religions and incited the Inquisition,
> charged with the crimes of sodomy and blasphemy, and persecuted for
> centuries. It is still illegal for a Mason to hold public office in England.

No it isn't! And I do know as I know very well the accepted world expert on the
subject of Freemasonary and it's history!

>

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:59:46 EST
From: DreamZvil@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Joni thread

In a message dated 1/29/99 7:55:05 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ewwtaylor@Prodigy.net
writes:

<< 
     WhEre croWs gaze -- vigilant on Wires
     Where caTtle grAze the grasses
     Far from the digits of busYness hours
     The moon cLOck wanes and waxes --
     But heRe all time is stripped away....  >>

What's this from? It's *BEAUTIFUL*!!!

					Love,   Susan

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:32:18 +0100
From: "Winfried Hühn" <whuehn@stud.uni-goettingen.de>
Subject: Re: jmdl Hejira -- A Parody of combined threads

Bravo! And it all makes perfect sense, too!
I move that this be put on the JMDL-gallery site!
Les?!?

Winfried


Don Rowe wrote:

> JMDL Hejira
> A Parody of Combined Threads by Don Rowe
>
> I'm writing to some mailing list...

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:25:19 -0800
From: Mark-n-Travis <mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: New Joni thread

DreamZvil@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 1/29/99 7:55:05 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ewwtaylor@Prodigy.net
> writes:
> 
> <<
>      WhEre croWs gaze -- vigilant on Wires
>      Where caTtle grAze the grasses
>      Far from the digits of busYness hours
>      The moon cLOck wanes and waxes --
>      But heRe all time is stripped away....  >>
> 
> What's this from? It's *BEAUTIFUL*!!!
> 
>                                         Love,   Susan

Hey Susan!  It's from the unsung lyrics to 'Paprika Plains' printed on
the inside of DJRD.

Mark in Seattle getting ready to fly to Kakki & Ken & Steve's territory.

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:37:57 -0800
From: Mark-n-Travis <mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: going to the City of the Fallen Angels

We're going to be leaving in an hour or so for LA to see the Van Goghs &
do mini-Joni Fest West with Kakki, Ken, Steve et al.  So I'm going on
digest for a few days.  See you when we get back!

Siquomb to all!

Mark in Seattle

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:43:45 EST
From: DreamZvil@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paprika Plains

In a message dated 1/29/99 4:27:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mark-n-
travis@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< Hey Susan!  It's from the unsung lyrics to 'Paprika Plains' printed on
 the inside of DJRD. >>

Another glaring example of me being a "Joni-newbie"! :)

			Love,  Susan

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:48:48 EST
From: DreamZvil@aol.com
Subject: Re: going to the City of the Fallen Angels

Mark-

    When you fly over Morro Bay, on Hwy 1 in Central California, you'll see me
down there, crying and waving! Wish I coulda joined you! (alas, no reliable
wheels) have a great time and give everyone a hug for me! :)

			Love,   Susan

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:23:33 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: going to the City of the Fallen Angels

In a message dated 1/29/99 11:40:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, mark-n-
travis@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< We're going to be leaving in an hour or so for LA to see the Van Goghs &
 do mini-Joni Fest West with Kakki, Ken, Steve et al.  So I'm going on
 digest for a few days.  See you when we get back! >>

Have a great time! Wish I could be there-

Terry

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:49:09 EST
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Joni thread

<< Sue presents this puzzler:
 
      <<Alright boys and girls, how many of you can find your e-mail tag in 
      one of Joni's songs?  If you can, please list the song and lyric (if 
      possible)>> >>


mhart16164

I aM a woman of HeART and mind...

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:00:35 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Joni thread

In a message dated 1/29/99 12:52:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
MHart16164@aol.com writes:

<< 
 mhart16164
 
 I aM a woman of HeART and mind... >>

That's only half of it!  Marilyn found mine including the 42.
IVPaul42

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:37:10 -0500
From: Debra Kaufman <djk@math.duke.edu>
Subject: Re: The President

I liked the Jewish/Christian thread. It's always fun to compare Bible to
Torah. Christians are much more rabid about issues sexual! I used to work
for a (Reform) rabbi who said the Torah's take on Sodom and Gomorrah was
not that they were burned so much for the sexual stuff but for the
ungenerous nature and inhospitality of the community.

What I'm wondering is why aren't more people railing about how few women
there are in the Senate now, when we could use some women sense to
counterbalance all this ridiculous male jockeying for power. Aren't we sick
to death of that.

No doubt you've all see this?


>Imagine it's time to elect a world leader, and your vote counts.
>
>Here's the scoop on three leading candidates.
>
>Candidate A:
> + Associates with ward healers and consults with astrologists.
> + He's had two mistresses.
> + He chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
>
>Candidate B:
> + Was kicked out of office twice.
> + Sleeps until noon.
> + Used opium in college.
> + Drinks about a quart of brandy every evening.
>
>Candidate C:
> + Is a decorated war hero.
> + He's a vegetarian
> + Doesn't smoke,
> + Drinks an occasional beer
> + Hasn't had any illicit affairs.
>
>
>Which of these candidates is your choice?
>
>You don't really need any more information, do you? (scroll down)
>

>
>Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt
>
>Candidate B is Winston Churchill
>
>Candidate C is Adolph Hitler


DK

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"... Be quite still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself
to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy
at your feet."
							Franz Kafka
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:45:59 -0500
From: Debra Kaufman <djk@math.duke.edu>
Subject: Re: joni & jazz

I'm probably woefully behind the posts, well, no question, I am. I've
caught up with the most recent ones. In any case, I just heard on our local
jazz station Joni singing "The Man I Love." (Not as good as Billie Holiday,
but...) I called up and found out that she is on Herbie Hancock's CD
"Gershwin's World." She sings "Summertime" too. It's a fascinating album,
showcasing HH's versatility--everything from classical work to the funky
Stevie Wonder (who sounds REALLY good here) and of course JM. Check it out.
Wayne Shorter, Kenny Garret, Chick Corea too.

When I mentioned Joni to someone recently he said her father was friends
with George Shearing and that's how she got introduced to jazz. That
sounded far-fetched to me--I always had the impression her dad was a kind
of ordinary Joe. Anybody know about this one?

Thanks!  DK

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"... Be quite still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself
to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy
at your feet."
							Franz Kafka
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:28:58 -0800
From: "Kakki" <kakkib@att.net>
Subject: Early lyrics to "All I Want"

Thanks to the efforts of a couple of sweet listers here, I recently received
an incredible tape of archived BBC Joni concerts spanning from 1970 to the
mid-80s.  I'd learned previously of the 1970
concert, which I heard described by a couple of Joni friends at the taping
as the legendary "Joni in the Pink Dress BBC concert."  It is incredible,
with Joni playing piano, guitar and dulcimer on material spanning from her
early, unrecorded songs up to the beginnings of "Blue."  One of the
highlights of the concert is Joni introducing a new song that she is working
on, which later became "All I Want."  The early lyrics, however, started out
with a bit of a different tone - She speaks more in the first person and
sounds a little more disillusioned than what we came to hear in the final
product.
Maybe this has been brought up on the list before but I had not seen it
before.

Here are the early lyrics:

I am on a lonely road and I am traveling
Looking for the truth in men and in me
All my jealousy, my greed - it will unravel me
It undoes all the joy that could be

Ah, you're not real, no, no
Do you think you're fooling me?
With false pretensions of phony camaderie?

All I really, really wanted love to do
was bring out the best in me and in you, too
All I really, really wanted love to do
was bring out the best in me and in you, too

I am on a lonely road and I am traveling
Looking for the truth in men and in me
Oh my jealousy, my greed is my unraveling
Oh, it undoes all the joy that could be

But you're not real, no, no
Do you think you're fooling me?
With your phony camaderie?

(Note:  The requisite number of "oo, oos, "um hms", and "la la las" are in
this early version, too)

Kakki

NP:  Cactus Tree on Joni video

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:03:57 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Early lyrics to "All I Want"

In a message dated 1/29/99 1:41:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, kakkib@att.net
writes:

<< I am on a lonely road and I am traveling
 Looking for the truth in men and in me
 All my jealousy, my greed - it will unravel me
 It undoes all the joy that could be
 
 Ah, you're not real, no, no
 Do you think you're fooling me?
 With false pretensions of phony camaderie?
  >>

this is really interesting kakki!  thanks for the post.  any chance simon
might include it in a future tape tree?  

hope all is well!  (and i have enjoyed reading your jaundiced views on our
poor, beleaguered president...hopelessly misguided as they are (!!!!) -) keep
smiling out there in kakkiland... love, ric

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:07:55 +1100 (EST)
From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)
Subject: email tag

> >Sue wrote:
> >
> >> Alright boys and girls, how many of you can find your e-mail tag in
one of Joni's
> songs? If you can, please list the song and lyric (if possible).

Well this is just to easy for me :)

MICHAEL Brings you to a park
He sings and it's dark when the clouds come by

No spelling variations and all consecutive letters.
I'd like to see someone beat that :)

Michael
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:07:45 +1100 (EST)
From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)
Subject: Luthier (NJC)

Hi ya List 

There is a word I use that I have only seen in print in a magazine and 
have never been able to find it in a dictionary. "Luthier", as far as 
I know it means "A guitar maker" but I have never found it in any 
dictionary . If any one can find it in a dictionary would they let me 
know please.It's a long standing bet I have with someone.I used the 
word in conversation once with this person and they stopped me in my 
tracks.The book of knowledge was bought out but let me down.I still 
have faith in the magazine that used the word but can't find any other 
source to back me up .I thought the plethora of knowledge on this list 
may dig up something.
Cheers 
Michael
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:25:05 -0800
From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us
Subject: Nicolette (NJC)

As I have been publicly (and incorrectly) corrected on the list, I would like
to reiterate that the Memorial benefit concerts for Nicolette Larson were
held with proceeds going to the UCLA Childrens Hospital not into a trust
fund for her daughter, at least according to reports of the concert and the
comments made there on behalf of the hospital.
Darice

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:39:03 +0000
From: catman <catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The President

What is a ward healer?

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:42:13 -0500
From: luvart@snet.net
Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC)

At 02:56 PM 1/28/99 EST, Paul wrote:
>  But now I need to know, if I'm not supposed to slay the two oxen I'm
keeping
>in my spare bedroom as a sign of my devotion to the deity, now WHAT do I do
>with them?

Male & female?  Hmmmmm... wait and see how much rain we get this Spring ...
maybe you'll have to build an ark and in that case you have a start!

Heather
NP: In My Mother's Eyes - Al DiMeola

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:18:36 -0800
From: "Kakki" <kakkib@att.net>
Subject: Re: Luthier (NJC)

Da, da - your search is over!  From Webster's New World Dictionary, Third
College Edition - 1991, page 806:

luthier  - a maker of stringed instruments, orig. of lutes

Kakki, actually going to see the luthier who saved the life of my antique
guitar tonight

>There is a word I use that I have only seen in print in a magazine and
>have never been able to find it in a dictionary. "Luthier", as far as
>I know it means "A guitar maker" but I have never found it in any
>dictionary . If any one can find it in a dictionary would they let me
>know please.

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:25:45 -0800
From: Randy Remote <guitarzan@saber.net>
Subject: Re: Luthier (NJC)

As Kakki said, a luthier is literally a maker of lutes, but is commonly used to describe guitar makers/repairmen, although I once used this word to describe a
guitar builder and he indignantly objected to being incorrectly called a lutemaker.  In the world of instrument building the term is quite common and can be
found in magazines and catalogs used by same.  In other words, you won the bet!

Michael wrote:

> Hi ya List
>
> There is a word I use that I have only seen in print in a magazine and
> have never been able to find it in a dictionary. "Luthier", as far as
> I know it means "A guitar maker" but I have never found it in any
> dictionary . If any one can find it in a dictionary would they let me
> know please.It's a long standing bet I have with someone.I used the
> word in conversation once with this person and they stopped me in my
> tracks.The book of knowledge was bought out but let me down.I still
> have faith in the magazine that used the word but can't find any other
> source to back me up .I thought the plethora of knowledge on this list
> may dig up something.
> Cheers
> Michael
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>
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>
>
>                 Either we are alone in the universe                            <p>
>
>                 ...........Or we're not............
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>                                                                                </html>
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