From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, January 29 1999 Volume 04 : Number 048 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Joni thread [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: the Talmud and the President(SJC) [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: jmdl Hejira -- A Parody of combined threads [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: New Joni thread [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread [Ashara@aol.com] Re Trusting Clinton ["John Villasana" ] Re: Great Woment Writers ["John Villasana" ] The Joni game ["M & C Urbanski" ] Fwd: Pink Triangles and Yellow Stars (NJC) [Brian Gross ] Re[4]: New Joni thread ["Eric Taylor" ] HDCDs, Blue [w evans ] Re: the Talmud and the President (NJC) ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:49:41 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: New Joni thread M & C Urbanski wrote: > > You owe me BIG TIME! > > en T e R the multitudes in e X xon blue and radiation ro S e, e C satsy, > now you tell me, w H o are you going to get to do the dirty W ork when A ll > the slaves are free? > > Passion Play > Marilyn Bravo, Marilyn! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:07:55 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President(SJC) Bounced Message wrote: > > From: CarltonCT@aol.com > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:24:49 EST > Sorry this is on the didactic side, but the views of religious skeptics are > under represented. > > Clark A most excellent post. Thank you for writing it Clark. It's well thought out & makes a lot of sense. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:17:57 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: New Joni thread M & C Urbanski wrote: > > > > > Nicely done, Marilyn. > > I don't recall Joni writing any songs about anyone named Paul. (To > further > > complicate things, does the length of the song have to be 4:20 or 3:42 or > some > > other time with 42 in it?) > > Paul I > > check this out! > > oh all -I- e-V-er wanted was just to come in from the cold...we really > thought we had a P-urpose we were so A-nxio-U-s to achieve, we had hope > the wor-L-d had promise 4 a slave 2 liberty! > > Come In From The Cold > > Take that and that!! > > Marilyn Oh Marilyn, the Great One, you are the Queen of this Thread! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:21:58 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: jmdl Hejira -- A Parody of combined threads Don Rowe wrote: > > JMDL Hejira > A Parody of Combined Threads by Don Rowe > > I'm writing to some mailing list > I've got lots and lots to say > On preferences and politics > That shell shock love away > > I'm writing to some mailing list > I've got lots and lots to say > On preferences and politics > And maybe Joni one fine day > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Marsha are you ready to share your title? This was most excellent! Kudos, Don! This belongs in the Hall of Fame. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:21:37 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: New Joni thread > > Oh Marilyn, the Great One, you are the Queen of this Thread! > > Mark in Seattle But really Mark I owe it all to you and your post MARK red r-I-bbo-N runners.... I just stole your idea...I'm really a fraud (shhhhhh don't tell) Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:29:20 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: New Joni thread M & C Urbanski wrote: > > > > > Oh Marilyn, the Great One, you are the Queen of this Thread! > > > > Mark in Seattle > > But really Mark I owe it all to you and your post MARK red r-I-bbo-N > runners.... > > I just stole your idea...I'm really a fraud (shhhhhh don't tell) > > Marilyn People can have brilliant ideas but if they don't do anything with them the ideas are useless. It's the person who takes the idea and runs with it that makes it pay off. And you did just that. Take all the Glory, girl! You deserve it! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:33:41 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread > > And Ashara says, "Yeah, and how about ME??????" :-) > > Hugs, > Ashara {who hasn't posted for the looooooooongest time, because she is up over > her eyeballs!!!} Last but not least.... A-nd we are twin-S of spirit no matter w-H-ich route home we t-A-ke o-R wh-A-t we forsake! Don Juan's Reckless Daughter This is a hell of a lot easier that statistics! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:07:55 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread In a message dated 1/28/99 1:43:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << The B-londe in the bleache-R-s, she fl-I-ps her h-A-ir for you, above the loud speakers you start to fall, she follows you home but you miss livi-N-G alone, you can still hea-R sweet mysteries calling y-O-u. the band-S and the roadie-S Blonde in the Bleachers Marilyn >> i think somebody has WAY too much time on her hands.... :> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:25:35 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread The ever-accommodating Marilyn wrote for me: << Last but not least.... A-nd we are twin-S of spirit no matter w-H-ich route home we t-A-ke o-R wh-A-t we forsake! Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >> Thank you, O Queen of this Thread! And one of my favorite Joni songs as well! Hugs, Ashara {bowing deeply} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:49:42 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re Trusting Clinton Kakki said: No offence Kakki, but who cares how much you trust Clinton on this subject. You're not his wife or his kid. jOhn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:57:56 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Great Woment Writers Almost everything by Alison Lurie. jOhn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:20:19 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: The Joni game OK new thread... make an on going story out of nothing but Joni lyrics. I'll start and feel free to add to the story... It was a dark and a stormy night. I pulled up behind a Cadillac; we were waiting for the light. Sharon, I left my man at a North Dakota junction and I came up to the Big Apple here to face the dream's malfunction. See that patch of city lights? Somewhere in there is Cotton avenue, that's where I'm gonna take myself tonight with the spit shine on my dancing shoes...TO BE CONTINUED... Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Fwd: Pink Triangles and Yellow Stars (NJC) As posted to the Phil Ochs list (which is currently imploding with angry un.subs) But this post was right on target with a thread here on the JMDL > Memorial to gay concentration camp victims signals new openness to the past > > BONN: "First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I > said nothing..." Even Pastor Martin Niemoller's famous poem denouncing German > silence in the Holocaust is silent on those concentration camp inmates who > wore the pink triangle. But Wednesday's official Holocaust Memorial ceremonies > for the first time included a special tribute to the estimated 12,500 gay men > who died after being sent to the camps because of their sexual orientation. > "Germany has waited this long to acknowledge the gay victims of Nazism because > public acceptance of homosexuality has been slow in coming," says TIME Bonn > correspondent Ursula Sautter. "The law that prevailed in the Nazi era > outlawing homosexuality was only formally repealed in 1994." > > The inclusion of gay victims in ceremonies marking the country's fourth annual > Holocaust Memorial day reflects a generational shift in German society. "Those > in power today came of age during the radical protests of 1968," says Sautter. > "They're more relaxed about acknowledging and discussing the Holocaust, > compared with the earlier generation who were riddled with guilt and shame. > Opening up these issues has been a lot healthier for Germany." === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:31:10 -0500 From: patrick leader Subject: RE: oates (NJC) michael said > Can someone suggest a better (i.e. less soap-operatic) specimen of her work for me to check out? Thanks... actually, no. more soap-operatic, yes. i really loved joyce carol oates' 'genre' trilogy, 'bellefleur', 'a bloodsmoor romance' and 'mysteries of winterthur'. parodies; commentaries on three different 19th century american novel styles, extremely overwrought, with acres of vaporous prose, plots that drift in and out of sight in a glutinous fog... just thinking about it ruins my writing. back to reading carver, i guess. patrick np - hynes - hearing solar winds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:50:19 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re[4]: New Joni thread Bob requested: <> Marilyn delivered: >>en T e R the multitudes in e X xon blue and radiation ro S e, e C satsy, now you tell me, w H o are you going to get to do the dirty W ork when A ll the slaves are free? I'm blown away, Marilyn! And finally I get it!! So you zoomed-in on lyrics containing the letter X I'm sure. I've been looking for two W's all night. But then it took me dayz to unfocus enough to see 3D.... Anyone into anagrams? Royal T. Cire ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:30:41 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: HDCDs, Blue I have seen the first four with HDCD stickers but haven't bought them yet. I noticed something though: STAS, Clouds, and Ladies all had subtle differences in packaging to the old CDs, including the "Joe Gastwirt" mention on the back on the bottom.... Blue did not have this, but the packaging was identical to the old ones. I've seen this in many stores both in Ann Arbor and throughout Atlanta. (Only two places I've been since....) So, for those of you who have a bonafide HDCD Blue, how's the packaging? Another thing about these... I got the HDCD For The Roses and found the sound amazingly better... however, I compared the tracks from the first four on "Hits" to my old CDs, and, am I the only one who finds the new masters a bit shrill? And I say this as someone who actually has replaced many cds with new 20-bit remasters in teh past two years, I love the sound of the new Columbia stuff (Dylan, Byrds, Miles) but I'm not so sure about the HDCDs I've gotten (Buffalo Springfield and Joni so far) There's something brittle to my ears about them, like they needed to lop off a tad of the high end. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:09:36 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President (NJC) CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: <> 51 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons -- a fraternity of Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Druidic, and Deist mystics whom embrace the best of all religions and incited the Inquisition, charged with the crimes of sodomy and blasphemy, and persecuted for centuries. It is still illegal for a Mason to hold public office in England. America's founders saw the USA as a new Jerusalem, just a few votes away from making Hebrew it's national language. I am not making this up! Of course you will not read this in high school history books. This is why America was the only United Nation to vote for the recreation of the State of Israel back in 1947 and why America adopted circumcision during WWII. That is when "In God We Trust" was added to our money. And also why the Ten Commandments hang in every court of the land. I strongly support the separation of church & state, Clark. But I can't overlook the major factor religion has played in our nation's inception. What I find troubling is how Freemasons have become the bad guys to both left-wing & right-wing fundamentalists. Blame it on the dreaded Illuminati or, better yet, the liberal Jewish media.... But has anyone really contemplated Jimmy Carter's Native American Freedom of Religion Act? God bless you, Jimmy, for finally granting America's original inhabitants freedom of religion. Or should I say, freedom FROM religion? Howling, E.T. NP: JB, Sketches for My Sweetheart The Drunk, disk 2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:52:49 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: New Joni thread Mark Domyancich shared: <> WOW, you guys are giving me goose-bumps! I never thought of looking in Joni's unsung lyrics.... WhEre croWs gaze -- vigilant on Wires Where caTtle grAze the grasses Far from the digits of busYness hours The moon cLOck wanes and waxes -- But heRe all time is stripped away.... That's me, E.T. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #48 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. 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