From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #47 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, January 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 047 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- HDCD Remasters - a UK warning! [Howard Wright ] Re: HDCD Remasters - a UK warning! ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: New Joni thread ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Yellow Stars (NJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] NJC: News on new Steely Dan album [Howard Wright ] Re[2]: New Joni thread [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: News on new Steely Dan album ["Marsha" ] Re: New Joni thread [catman ] Re: New Joni thread [catman ] Re: Nicolette Larson (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread ["M & C Urbanski" ] RE: Atwood (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Yellow Stars (NJC) [DreamZvil@aol.com] Atwood/Mitchell [James Leahy ] Re[4]: New Joni thread [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Gay Threads/ NJC / complaints (NJC) ["John Villasana" ] Nicolette Larson (NJC) [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] HDCD's, The Chieftains, etc. [Wally Breese ] Re: Joni Predicting the Future [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Welcome Back!!! [DreamZvil@aol.com] Re: HDCD's, The Chieftains, etc. [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re[4]: New Joni thread [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Atwood (NJC) ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Nicolette Larson (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) [catman ] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread ["M & C Urbanski" ] Day in the Garden [AUDRE60317@aol.com] Re[4]: New Joni thread [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] jmdl Hejira -- A Parody of combined threads ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) [catman ] Re: New Joni thread [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread [Brian Gross ] Re: Mitchell and women (jc) ["John Wasak" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:31:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: HDCD Remasters - a UK warning! Malte Peters asked ... >___________________________________________________________________ >Hello everybody, >I was just wondering if Joni's Reprise Records (especially Blue and >Ladies of the canyon) have been remastered in a decent quality, as >her Asylum Records recently have. Anybody know? Simon replied: > >Yes, all of Joni's early Reprise Albums have been ReMastered and >reissued as HDCD releases. specifically - STAS, CLOUDS, LOTC & BLUE. > >ALL are clear sonic improvements compared to the original CD's. >ie: they *flat-out* sound better, especially! BLUE. Have any of her other albums been remastered as HDCDs? In the UK I have seen For The Roses, C&S and Mingus displayed as HDCDs, as well as Shadows and Light. BUT ... I wouldn't recommend anyone in the UK to buy these - with the exception of S&L perhaps. The reason? THEY ARE NOT HDCDs!!!!! I really don't understand how they get away with this, but they are trying to pull the craziest, dumbest con-trick. I bought C&S a few months back as I saw it with an HCDC sticker on, and at an amazing price (8 pounds I think). When I played it - surprise, surprise - it sounded just like my "regular" C&S CD - that is to say, pretty bad. At the time I posted a question to the list, and found out that all HDCDs should actually have a mark on the CD itself. The one I bought didn't of course, so I took it back to the shop to complain and get my money back. I thought maybe this was an innocent mistake and the HDCD stickers had been put on my mistake. The give-away is the fact that underneath the HDCD stickers are older stickers with a yellow exclamation mark, which marks a CD out as being at a "bargain price". Since then, I've seen C&S, FTR and Mingus in at least three different shops, all with HDCD stickers covering up the older "bargain price" stickers, and all at the same bargain price. It's obvious that these are NOT remastered CDs (they're not dumb, they would charge more if they were genuine HDCDs!)- they're just using the HDCD sticker as a way of getting rid of old stock. "Hell, they didn't buy these CDs even when we knocked the price down. Well, let's slap a bunch of HDCD "remastered from the original master tapes" stickers on - that'll shift them!" I can't believe they actually think this way, but it's clear they do! (It can't only be in Edinburgh that this is happeneing?!?) The only genuine HDCDs that I've seen in the UK are Hits and Misses, and S&L. I'd really love to get some (all!) of Joni's albums on HDCD, but I'm getting more and more suspicous of the way these things are handled in the UK. If you can't even trust the CD labelling to be truthful ...? It's interesting that the CDs that simon has confirmed *have* been remastered as HDCDs (the first four) have not appeared in UK shops (as far as I know). They are only trying to con us with the later albums - so far! Howard (Nothing like a good moan to start the day!) ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Just when you're thinking you've finally got it made Bad news comes knocking at your garden gate Joni Mitchell ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:25:59 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: HDCD Remasters - a UK warning! Howard Wright wrote: > > > I wouldn't recommend anyone in the UK to buy these - with the exception of > S&L perhaps. The reason? THEY ARE NOT HDCDs!!!!! > This is outrageous! I've been cheated upon, too! I checked the FTR CD I bought last week -- F***ing same story: HDCD sticker on the cover, but no label on the disk either! They didn't even bother to put the HDCD sticker on the top the yellow "special price" sticker! Phew, my Hejira CD *has* the HDCD label on it, so they do exist here, and I also thought the album did sound better. Nevertheless, I want revenge! Winfried, reporting this to the competition authorities as a clear case of intentionally misleading customers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:31:03 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: New Joni thread - ---------- > > >Sue wrote: > > > > > >> Alright boys and girls, how many of you can find your e-mail tag in one of Joni's > > songs? If you can, please list the song and lyric (if possible). > Ok this one is a BIG stretch but... > > on your -MARK- red ribbo-N- runners > -T-he ca-R-ressing rev of motors > finely tined like f-A-ncy women > in thirties e-V-en-I-ng gown-S- > > > Mark in Seattle Good one! I like it! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:40:57 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: New Joni thread - ---------- > From: catman > To: Randy Remote > Cc: JoniList > Subject: Re: New Joni thread > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 5:57 PM > > He.lp me! Can't find a ref to Catman! > OK here goes: Or a strong CAT without claws... Old MAN sleeping on his bags... Just Like This Train Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:57:26 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Yellow Stars (NJC) >If he's so damned entrapped, put-upon, set-up, etc., etc., then > why could he not tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth > to begin with? (Snip) >Think of how much more sympathy and respect > Clinton would now have if he told the truth in the beginning and then > mitigated it by proving entrapment or whatever. (Snip) >His subsequent false > statements publically for months until the specter of possible DNA evidence > arose, leaves me cold to trusting anything more he has to say on the > subject. > Kakki I agree with you 100% Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:13:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: NJC: News on new Steely Dan album For those you might be interested, check out: http://www.steelydan.com/heycraig.html The final mix of the new Steely Dan album is due "on Sea Monster 15th". I'll believe it when I see it ... Howard ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Just when you're thinking you've finally got it made Bad news comes knocking at your garden gate Joni Mitchell ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:20:50 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: New Joni thread Colin exclaimed in manic desperation: >> He.lp me! Can't find a ref to Catman!>> So Marilyn came to the rescue with: <> No points for doing someone else's, Marilyn, but you *do* get an assist...:~) Can you handle the other challenge (Trxschwa)? Bob NP: Joe Jones "You Talk too Much" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:33:16 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: News on new Steely Dan album Howard gettin' our hopes up (We DanFans, that is) sez: >The final mix of the new Steely Dan album is due "on Sea Monster 15th". > >I'll believe it when I see it ... Them two boys sure ain't prolific. "Before the fall When they wrote it on the wall When there wasn't even any Hollywood Before the fall When they wrote it on the wall For you and me We understood..." fr. Caves of Altamira---The Dan They don't write 'em like they used to... Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:53:17 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: New Joni thread Gosh! You are really on the ball recently. just what are you on? Thanks! M & C Urbanski wrote: > ---------- > > From: catman > > To: Randy Remote > > Cc: JoniList > > Subject: Re: New Joni thread > > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 5:57 PM > > > > He.lp me! Can't find a ref to Catman! > > > > OK here goes: > > Or a strong CAT without claws... > Old MAN sleeping on his bags... > > Just Like This Train > > Marilyn - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:53:51 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: New Joni thread Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > > Colin exclaimed in manic desperation: No no no. If I were manic you'd be receiving 30 odd posts a day! > > > >> He.lp me! Can't find a ref to > Catman!>> > > So Marilyn came to the rescue with: > > < > Or a strong CAT without claws... > Old MAN sleeping on his bags...>> > > No points for doing someone else's, Marilyn, but you *do* get an > assist...:~) Can you handle the other challenge (Trxschwa)? > > Bob > > NP: Joe Jones "You Talk too Much" - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:03:47 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Nicolette Larson (NJC) In a message dated 1/28/99 1:07:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, simon@icu.com writes: > Larson lived in Los Angeles with her husband, drummer Russell Kunkel, > and 7-year-old daughter Elsie May. > Thanks for you post. I didn't know any of this. Also didn't know that Nicolette was married to Russ Kunkel. I enjoyed her work with Neil Young on Comes A Time. Sad that she is gone. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:38:47 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread - ---------- > From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com > To: catman ; M & C Urbanski > > No points for doing someone else's, Marilyn, but you *do* get an > assist...:~) Can you handle the other challenge (Trxschwa)? > > Bob > You owe me BIG TIME! en T e R the multitudes in e X xon blue and radiation ro S e, e C satsy, now you tell me, w H o are you going to get to do the dirty W ork when A ll the slaves are free? Passion Play Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:35:10 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Atwood (NJC) Patrick wrote: <<<'the handmaid's tail' is like being hit over the head with a political idea, and lame as science fiction,>>> Thank you! (OK, I know this is just a shade off of "me too," but whatever!! :-) ). I have never understood the fascination with this book. I much prefer Huxley's _Brave New World_ for my dystopian pleasure. I was so underwhelmed by _Handmaid_ that I had written off Ms. Atwood, but thanks to this thread I may check something else out. Perhaps I'll go with _Cat's Eye_. And while I'm asking for literary suggestions, a couple of weeks ago I threw Joyce Carol Oates's _American Appetites_ across the room mid-book. Can someone suggest a better (i.e. less soap-operatic) specimen of her work for me to check out? Thanks... - --Michael NP: Van Morrison, _Astral Weeks_ NR: Gertrude Stein, _Tender Buttons_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:46:24 EST From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Re: Yellow Stars (NJC) In a message dated 1/28/99 4:55:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ewwtaylor@Prodigy.net writes: << Bill Clinton is a typical alpha male who emulates JFK. And our beloved JFK was apparantly a-hell-of-a-lot randier than HillBilly! So why don't we just character-assassinate Kennedy while we're at it? Or how about that lustful King David? All those wives and concubines! Oh, oh, my my.... Let's not expose our impressionable youth to the Bible lest they be tainted forever! >> I've been kind of avoiding this thread, but Eric writes so colorfully, sometimes I just can't resist. =) Love to all, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:49:35 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Atwood/Mitchell I don't know if this has come up in a previous posting, but there is another Joni/Atwood connection going back to the mid sixties. Joni named one of her first songs after Atwood's collection of poetry "The Circle Game," which came out in 1966 (and won a Governor General's award). Atwood also used to read her poetry at the Bohemian Embassy in Toronto. I believe I read somewhere that Joni used to play at that venue as well (probably a non-union club). However, in all my reading about Joni and Atwood, I've never read anything that would suggest they knew each other. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:12:35 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: New Joni thread I had originally asked: Can you handle the other challenge (Trxschwa)? > > Bob > Then Marilyn, in true Vanna White style, flips the letters and says: <> (me on my knees) Not Worthy!...Not Worthy! But the one who owes you is Trxschwa, of course you are now *way* out there as the league assist leader... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:47:00 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Gay Threads/ NJC / complaints (NJC) Colin wrote: Please, not to offend anybody, especially Colin, who strikes me as a dear man. But I haven't noticed this. I will keep it in mind next time someone complains about NJC. To be fair, I have noticed one or two posts in the year that I have been on the list, that seemed hostile to gays, but even that was percieved as subtle, and perhaps unintended. Please feel free to educate me if I'm wrong. jOhn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:50:33 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Atwood (NJC) In a message dated 1/28/99 6:45:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: << And while I'm asking for literary suggestions, a couple of weeks ago I threw Joyce Carol Oates's _American Appetites_ across the room mid-book. Can someone suggest a better (i.e. less soap-operatic) specimen of her work for me to check out? >> well michael, this begs the question "why bother?", but i keep hearing that she is on the short list to win a NOBEL prize, so maybe i am off the mark where she is concerned. but her early work is a lot more palatable then the latter stuff. i would suggest her national book award winner, "them" as the highpoint in an overly long and way too prolific career. (her short fiction is quite good though. check out "the wheel of love" and her story, the region of ice. a sparkly little gem.) now if you want to read an american master, as opposite of oates as one could possibly hope for, read joan didion's unqualified masterpiece "a book of common prayer". the most flawlessly written book i have ever read in my life. one perfect sentence after another. enjoy! love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:06:48 -0500 From: Tortorici@exchange.conference-board.org Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #29 To Evian's question in Digest #29 about the new REM lp: The new REM album Up is very moody, atmospheric and slow. It is directly opposite of Monster, their "hard" LP. However, Up is not as great as some critics say. Though some of the songs are pretty and, one, Lotus, is a very good rocker, many are derivative of finer moments on their best mid period LPs like Out of Time, Automatic for the People, and Green. The opener, Airportman, is interesting, but very ambient and weird. Another cut is directly based on Leonard Cohen's Suzanne and even gives Cohen songwriting credit (talk about derivative!). REM's previous LP, New Adventures In Hi-Fi, was similarly eccentric to many of the Up songs, but included a good deal more "hard, alternative" rock. It wasn't as bad as its sales figures (comparable to REM's bestsellers like Out of Time, etc) indicated. Overall, Up is worth a few listens. It's certainly not one to completely ignore. P.S. I'm an REM fan. - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [SMTP:les@jmdl.com] Sent: Saturday, January 16, 1999 3:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #29 JMDL Digest Saturday, January 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 029 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- REM [evian ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:56:23 -0600 From: evian Subject: REM Hi. REM are great in my eyes, but my personal faves of theirs are OUT OF TIME and MURMER. My fave song of theirs is Texarkana, followed by Radio Free Europe, The One I Love, and Ebow the Letter. However, due to a long, sad, personal story (I lent my brother-in-law OUT OF TIME and AUTOMATIC.., and he died, and I just can't bear to listen to these albums anymore.... it is a shame, but just brings back too many things), these albums are just too painful for me now. But, I don't think I can stay away from Texarkana... that song is probably the most underrated track on Out of Time. I am curious as to whether or not the new one is any good. I haven't heard anything from it, and I am just too damn poor at the moment to run out and buy with reckless abandon like I usually do, so I am wondering if it is good enough to pick up unheard. Evian np: Sade, "Diamond Life" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #29 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. 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Both votes fell virtually along party lines. Only Wisconsin Sen. Russ Feingold broke ranks with Democrats, opposing the motion to dismiss and supporting the call for witnesses." (Yahoo News Release) Those of you who live in Wisconsin (and perhaps those who don't), might want to write to this guy: russell_feingold@feingold.senate.gov Senator Feingold 716 Hart Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510-4904 (202) 224-5323 TDD (202) 224-1280 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:27:58 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: the Talmud and the President(SJC) From: CarltonCT@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:24:49 EST Kakki was not the only one who had some problems with bringing the Talmud into a modern political discussion even if this is the JMDL. Of course, it was interesting to get that perspective, but the law of this land needs to remove itself as far away as possible from *any* religious text, and the Talmud does spring from the ultimate authority of the Torah. Religion should be a private affair and the New Testament of the Christians, the Vedas of the Hindus, the Koran, the Sayings of Confucius and The Course In Miracles etc. should not be referenced regarding the morality of the President, Monica Lewinsky, you or me. Religion and ethics have been tied together for the last five thousand years, but they don't have to be. It's a natural but unfortunate human tendency to reinforce hierarchies and political structures with a religious text, and that has resulted in terrible divisions, the catastrophes of war, the creation of class and caste systems etc. We all know that. The Founding Fathers of this country were by and large a collection of atheists and deists, not Christians. Most, like Washington and Franklin, believed in a Creator who did not intervene in the affairs of humans, so they thought prayer was quite useless and did not defer to a "divine authority". This country was fortunately founded by scientific men whose ultimate authority was their own wisdom. It's important to evolve legal and ethics systems which do not rely on the supposed truths of ancient religious texts, most of which claim to have direct words from God. If we are to obey all the rules of the Old Testament, then Jew and Christian alike are supposed to make a number of animal sacrifices every year including some oxen, cows and doves -- somewhat impractical for a non-meat eater like myself. Neither the Old or New Testament condemns slavery -- the Old Testament is considerate enough to mention how one's slaves should be treated. The Koran also does not condemn slavery, and in Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries, a Flat Earth movement is growing because certain mullahs can use the "unquestionable truth" of the Koran to reject the idea of a round earth. Some are even suggesting people who believe in a round earth should be punished as heretics. So why should we vest any authority in these archaic belief systems? At best, we need to pick and choose from the finest ideas among all of them and forget about which text is the real "word of God". What was so offensive in the post referring to the Talmud is the idea that Bill and Monica were not equally responsible for whatever "sin" they had engaged in. No hairs were being split to defend Monica's actions or lack of sin. If enough hairs are split, the President can be vindicated of an irresponsible act which hurt his wife and daughter (but of course, that's the Clinton's business and none of mine or the rest of country). I'm only familiar with what the Bible has to say about the "sin of onanism", but I'm offended that it's referred to as a sin at all in any religious system. Since I am sleeping alone tonight, I may sin later on this evening. Having listened to DOG EAT DOG a fair amount recently, I am still in appreciation of Tax Free. We have forgotten all the scandal of those television evangelists who largely did themselves in, but what an awful bunch of men and women so many of them were (and are) who used "the Good Book" to justify their greed and hatred, who continued to characterize this as a "Christian Nation" and bend the Bible for their own means. We are nation of Christians, Jews, Moslems, Hindus and *non-believers*. To decide what is right and wrong and leave religion out of it is a difficult responsibility because what's right and what's wrong isn't always easy to do. Like children, we want an authority to decide for us and do our thinking for us. Sorry this is on the didactic side, but the views of religious skeptics are under represented. Clark NP in my head: Don't Interrupt the Sorrow, in particular, the lines "Wash my guilt of Eden" which all women are certainly entitled to do. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:52:31 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Nicolette Larson (NJC) My memory of the cause of Nicolette's death is sudden liver failure. She was hospitalized for a short time and there was no time for a transplant, even though David Crosby and others were trying to organize a transplant. There was a benefit held in Santa Monica for her, with proceeds going to charity. I have some reviews of the show-- Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 11:08:25 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: HDCD's, The Chieftains, etc. Hi everybody, I'm back home and trying to catch up with all the mail I received since I went into the hospital on the 11th. Thanks to all of you for your e-mails, cards and gifts. As always, you treat me like I'm part of a family and I appreciate the affection and love. HDCD REMASTERS- I read through the last couple of digests and saw a recent question about whether the HDCD remastered versions of Joni's first four albums on Reprise Records are out yet. Well, they are. In fact, as a present from a friend at Reprise, when I arrived home I found a package of CD's waiting for me containing Song To A Seagull, Clouds, Ladies Of The Canyon and Blue. These are excellent remasters of already excellent albums, and Joni's first release, STAS, is the most improved in sound. This is not surprising, due to the fact that it had the most need to be improved. Here's how to tell if the CD in your store is indeed a remastered CD, and not just a repackaged one. On the back of the CD box, you will find written at the bottom: "Produced by Joni Mitchell. Mastered by Joe Gaswirt at Ocean View Digital Mastering. Mastering supervised by Julie Larson. Repackaged by Robbie Cavolina, etc...." Look for these credits and you can be certain that you have the new HDCD remasters in your hands. DCC GOLD- There is also a DCC (gold disc) of the Blue album coming out on March 16th. A higher priced item, but with the best sound possible today. THE CHIEFTAINS- Coming to stores on the 23rd of February is The Chieftains new album, Tears Of Stone (on RCA Victor). It's being touted as "An evocative collection of songs about women and love," with guest performers Mary Chapin Carpenter, The Corrs, Brenda Fricker, Diana Krall, Loreena McKennitt, Natalie Merchant, Sinead O'Connor, Joan Osborne, Bonnie Raitt, The Rankins, Sissel, Akiko Yano and Joni Mitchell. Joni's contribution is a re-recording of her own composition, "The Magdalene Laundries," with The Chieftains accompanying her. (Her original version appeared on her Grammy winning Turbulent Indigo album in 1994). This new version is credited simply as "Magdalene Laundries," without the "The." And "Magdalene Laundries" has been chosen as the first single from the album, and it'll be worked at AAA radio beginning in early February. There will be a Chieftains U.S. tour beginning in early March, whch will continue for more than 8 weeks, and "Special Guests" are now being scheduled for many of the more than 30 shows. Stay tuned for more details on that front! Plans for the TV campaign to promote the album include features on VH-1, E!, Entertainment This Week and Access Hollywood. There is also a Saturday Night Live appearance scheduled for the band in mid-March, but no news yet on which "Special Guest" will appear to sing with The Chieftains. It's good to be back! Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:11:15 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni Predicting the Future Duane said: << A number of people have sited the remake of Man From Mars as a butcher job to the beautiful acoustic piano version. This is an example of either too much information from this list, or an appetite for the familiar acoustic sound>> Or, it could be just a sincere matter of preference...The first time I heard it was on the CD; the stark synthesizer chords, the haunting depair of her voice, it sent chills up my spine! I thought it was breathtakingly beautiful. I got the Tape trees later which featured the acoustic piano version and *instantly* thought *it* to be superior, not because of list information but because of what my wigglin' ears were hearing! I can appreciate her changing the sound, but I did like the earlier version better, and I don't recall *anyone* saying the transformation from the "Grace Of My Heart" version was a "butcher job"...she could record it on kazoo and washtub and it would still break my heart. <> I've always felt that Joni never really changes for change's sake but rather follows her musical muse wherever it leads; she changes gears when she feels led in that direction. I don't feel her painting, for instance, changes with the same frequency but I don't really know much about the visual art stuff to be a good judge of that... <> *This* is surely a statement that no one can dispute! Bob NP: Jerry Butler/Betty Everett, "Let It Be Me" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:10:07 EST From: DreamZvil@aol.com Subject: Welcome Back!!! Dear Wally- Welcome back!!!! We missed you! Interestingly enuff, I had just posted a note to Leslie asking about you! Hope you are doin' better all the time....good thoughts and energy coming your way! Cheers, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:30:09 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: HDCD's, The Chieftains, etc. Wally checks in with: <> Wally that is SOOO great to hear! This news and all the Joni news you gave us is a huge ray of sunshine in my day today! And getting new Joni HDCD's beats a bunch of flowers *anyday*!! Thanks for sharing this with all of us! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:30:44 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread In a message dated 1/28/99 9:43:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << en T e R the multitudes in e X xon blue and radiation ro S e, e C satsy, now you tell me, w H o are you going to get to do the dirty W ork when A ll the slaves are free? Passion Play Marilyn >> Nicely done, Marilyn. I don't recall Joni writing any songs about anyone named Paul. (To further complicate things, does the length of the song have to be 4:20 or 3:42 or some other time with 42 in it?) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:44:11 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: New Joni thread Paul hangs his head and says: <> Me neither, Paul - the closest I can think of is her setting "Love" to music with Paul's letter to the Corinthians. Of course, I realize you're not much of a New Testament guy...;~) Maybe if we play her records *backwards* she says "I buried Paul" somewhere! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:59:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Atwood (NJC) Hey, now. I know Joyce from back home and I think she is a fine writer. She will be the keynote on our campus for the Florida Writers' Conference. Her best work, IMHO, is Do With Me What You Will. It may seem quite tame in 1999, but it was quite something when it was first published in 1973. Jerry On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/28/99 6:45:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, > mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: > > << And while I'm asking for literary suggestions, a couple of weeks > ago I threw Joyce Carol Oates's _American Appetites_ across > the room mid-book. Can someone suggest a better (i.e. less > soap-operatic) specimen of her work for me to check out? > >> > > well michael, this begs the question "why bother?", but i keep hearing that > she is on the short list to win a NOBEL prize, so maybe i am off the mark > where she is concerned. but her early work is a lot more palatable then the > latter stuff. i would suggest her national book award winner, "them" as the > highpoint in an overly long and way too prolific career. (her short fiction > is quite good though. check out "the wheel of love" and her story, the region > of ice. a sparkly little gem.) > > now if you want to read an american master, as opposite of oates as one could > possibly hope for, read joan didion's unqualified masterpiece "a book of > common prayer". the most flawlessly written book i have ever read in my life. > one perfect sentence after another. > > enjoy! love, ric > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:56:12 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) In a message dated 1/28/99 1:31:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << If we are to obey all the rules of the Old Testament, then Jew and Christian alike are supposed to make a number of animal sacrifices every year including some oxen, cows and doves -- somewhat impractical for a non-meat eater like myself. >> Not necessarily. As I understood it, you're not supposed to EAT the animals you sacrifice -- that's part of the "sacrifice." But now I need to know, if I'm not supposed to slay the two oxen I'm keeping in my spare bedroom as a sign of my devotion to the deity, now WHAT do I do with them? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:59:31 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Nicolette Larson (NJC) In a message dated 1/28/99 1:51:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us writes: << My memory of the cause of Nicolette's death is sudden liver failure. She was hospitalized for a short time and there was no time for a transplant, even though David Crosby and others were trying to organize a transplant. There was a benefit held in Santa Monica for her, with proceeds going to charity. I have some reviews of the show-- >> No, it was the swelling of the brain or its lining as previously posted. As I believe the benefit concert was held AFTER her death to raise funds for a trust fund for her child. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:38:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/28/99 1:31:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com > writes: > > << If we > are to obey all the rules of the Old Testament, then Jew and Christian > alike are supposed to make a number of animal sacrifices every year > including some oxen, cows and doves -- somewhat impractical for a non-meat > eater like myself. >> > > Not necessarily. As I understood it, you're not supposed to EAT the animals Maybe not but for many veggies the killing is the ppoint! > you sacrifice -- that's part of the "sacrifice." > But now I need to know, if I'm not supposed to slay the two oxen I'm keeping > in my spare bedroom as a sign of my devotion to the deity, now WHAT do I do > with them? > Paul I - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:13:16 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) > Not necessarily. As I understood it, you're not supposed to EAT the animals > you sacrifice -- that's part of the "sacrifice." > But now I need to know, if I'm not supposed to slay the two oxen I'm keeping > in my spare bedroom as a sign of my devotion to the deity, now WHAT do I do > with them? > Paul I Start farming! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:34:48 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread > Now for the REAL challenge... briangross > Thanks, > The B-londe in the bleache-R-s, she fl-I-ps her h-A-ir for you, above the loud speakers you start to fall, she follows you home but you miss livi-N-G alone, you can still hea-R sweet mysteries calling y-O-u. the band-S and the roadie-S Blonde in the Bleachers Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:51:01 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread > > Nicely done, Marilyn. > I don't recall Joni writing any songs about anyone named Paul. (To further > complicate things, does the length of the song have to be 4:20 or 3:42 or some > other time with 42 in it?) > Paul I check this out! oh all -I- e-V-er wanted was just to come in from the cold...we really thought we had a P-urpose we were so A-nxio-U-s to achieve, we had hope the wor-L-d had promise 4 a slave 2 liberty! Come In From The Cold Take that and that!! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:01:15 EST From: AUDRE60317@aol.com Subject: Day in the Garden In yesterday's small local paper (i live 15 min. from Bethel) there was a small article about this summer's Day in the Garden. It is in the planning stages , but no names of performers yet. They are talking about maybe having 10 events this year. Not all 10 events will be concerts. I'll keep the JMDL posted. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:04:31 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[4]: New Joni thread "Vanna" strikes again: <> Marilyn, I hereby dub you "Queen Of The Thread"...Wear the tiara & cape with pride...and we'll even throw in the home version of "Wheel of Fortune" as a parting gift! Bob NP: Soul Thursday rolls on with "Going To A Go-Go", Smoky Robinson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:22:29 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: jmdl Hejira -- A Parody of combined threads JMDL Hejira A Parody of Combined Threads by Don Rowe I'm writing to some mailing list I've got lots and lots to say On preferences and politics That shell shock love away What the scriptures mean in Washington What would the Talmud say When sins are not adultery Why it's so hard to be gay In discussion unmoderated So much can be expressed So I'm asking simple questions Why all things Joni are suppressed I read nothing of myself in anything Just at this moment of the world NJC roils like shots of mace Silencing my favorite girl You know it's not been easy lately Whether you do or you do not decide Whether to post or lurk in extremities Or stick to some "str8ter" line Now here's a man and a woman tapping on the keys Talking of whatever they please Listen... Strains of Joni Mitchell Coming thru' the tape and video trees I appreciate the fevor But you know I'm so glad to be on my own Still somehow the slightest mention of Joni Can set up trembling in my bones I know - no one's going agree with everything In all these undigested threads Letters worn off the DELETE key The echo ringing in my head Now I looked at the subject markers Pointing to some levity - to some brevity And then I looked at myself here Soapbox preaching in my rationality On the other bands and acts I love As if they don't have a list There's the hope and the hopelessness Of everything I've missed So now I'm hoping that the Chieftans Steer a different couse to run But how can I hope like that When there's so much wrong to be undone So I"m sending out this e-mail Waving truce against the moon Casting out for thoughts on Joni Instead of modern personal doom I'm writing to some mailing list I've got lots and lots to say On preferences and politics And maybe Joni one fine day ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:40:45 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: jmdl Hejira -- A Parody of combined threads Don with wit and guile wrote: >JMDL Hejira >A Parody of Combined Threads by Don Rowe > >I'm writing to some mailing list >I've got lots and lots to say >On preferences and politics >That shell shock love away Bravo, Don! Very Clever. Marsha, MoP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:02:07 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: New Joni thread Marilyn you definately have a unique talent! Now how do you make it a business and become rich and famous.... M & C Urbanski wrote: > > Now for the REAL challenge... briangross > > Thanks, > > > The B-londe in the bleache-R-s, she fl-I-ps her h-A-ir for you, above the > loud speakers you start to fall, she follows you home but you miss livi-N-G > alone, you can still hea-R sweet mysteries calling y-O-u. the band-S and > the roadie-S > > Blonde in the Bleachers > > Marilyn - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:44:34 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread In a message dated 1/28/99 4:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << oh all -I- e-V-er wanted was just to come in from the cold...we really thought we had a P-urpose we were so A-nxio-U-s to achieve, we had hope the wor-L-d had promise 4 a slave 2 liberty! Come In From The Cold Take that and that!! Marilyn >> All I can say is, WOW! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:04:09 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) In a message dated 1/28/99 3:39:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << > Not necessarily. As I understood it, you're not supposed to EAT the animals Maybe not but for many veggies the killing is the point! >> So you would eat a steak if the cow died of natural causes that did not involve a disease that would affect the meat? Or maybe venison ribs if someone accidentally hit the deer with a car? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:45:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: the Talmud and the President(NJC) IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/28/99 3:39:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, > catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > > << > > Not necessarily. As I understood it, you're not supposed to EAT the animals > > Maybe not but for many veggies the killing is the point! >> > > So you would eat a steak if the cow died of natural causes that did not > involve a disease that would affect the meat? Or maybe venison ribs if > someone accidentally hit the deer with a car? First of all I wasn't talking talking about me. However, since you asked-yes I would. I have no objection to the eating of flesh but I have strong objections to slaughter, intensive farming, battery hens etc. I believe that to be cruel and barbaric. So i choose no to contribute to such things.However, if I were stranded on a desert ilse, or lost in some huge forest, or just living in a more natural way, I would kill a rabbit or whatever in order to survive. Many 'native' peoples who have spiritual values do. I do not believe that to be worng. What I believ to be wrong is the total disregard for animals that the world shows and also the same towards humans-many millions starve when there is NO reason for it apart from our greed. I know some stauch veggies/vegans who call meat eaters vermin and murderers-yet they feed their dogs and cats on slaughtered meat!!! My close friend is on of these. For info, dogs can survive well on a veggie diet. A cat will die on a veggie diet. > Paul I - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:46:47 -0800 From: "Davina Greenstein" Subject: Re: New Joni thread Okay, I'll play. This is a great thread btw... From Electricity... The minus is loveless he talks to the lanD And the leaves fall and the pond oVer-Ices she doN't know the system, plus she don't understand she's got all the wrong fuses And splices he's not going to fix it up too easy Davina np: Sarah McLachlan...Joni's Blue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:07:47 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: New Joni thread like a pHoenix up from Ashes now A blanket figuRe sPrings with a fist raised Up to turqouise skies like liberty And at the point of vanishing where the sky and the earth meet a bomb blooms deadly mushroom white gold heat... Mark, always a cheater NP-Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds-#41 ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Evil communications corrupt good manners." - I Corinthians 15:33 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:00:26 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread Bob, ever solicitously looking after the the flock said: << No points for doing someone else's, Marilyn, but you *do* get an assist...:~) Can you handle the other challenge (Trxschwa)? >> And Ashara says, "Yeah, and how about ME??????" :-) Hugs, Ashara {who hasn't posted for the looooooooongest time, because she is up over her eyeballs!!!} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:48:22 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Joni thread I wrote to Marilyn: > > Now for the REAL challenge... briangross > > Thanks She boldly took up the challenge and replied: > The B-londe in the bleache-R-s, she fl-I-ps her h-A-ir for you, above the > loud speakers you start to fall, she follows you home but you miss livi-N-G > alone, you can still hea-R sweet mysteries calling y-O-u. the band-S and > the roadie-S > > Blonde in the Bleachers BRAVA BRAVA Well done, Marilyn Fellow listas, I hereby nominate Marilyn to the high exalted title of 'Queen of the Thread' All in favor, say AYE... Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:02:08 -0500 From: "John Wasak" Subject: Re: Mitchell and women (jc) patrick leader writes: >hey phil, >you wrote, in support of joni's friendships with woman > "Sophia says it's >hard to catch.." >however, she has said that that line is from a public statement by sophia >loren, and joni also likes that the name sophia comes from the greek word >for wisdom. no reference to friendship there. >otoh, in addition to sharon and anna, (who is anna?), joni's long >friendship with chaka khan is well known. >still, she has said that she prefers the company of men many times. i >personally don't care who she wants to spend time with as long as she >doesn't keep coming up with howlers like 'i can't be a feminist cause i >like hanging with the guys'!!! ooof. >patrick >np - tallis scholars - spem in alium >>>>>> >>>>>>> What about Carol, from "Chinese Cafe"? "Caught in the middle Carol, we're middle class, we're middle aged"........ and "Christmas is sparkling out on Carol's lawn This girl of my childhood games"..... Sounds like a long friendship to me! BTW, Patrick, that "np" you had (Spem in Allium), nearly knocked me out of my chair. For years I've been trying to tell everyone I know that this CD should be in every record collection. So far the only taker I have is my 17 yr. old niece. (if you can believe that!) She likes it, so I bought her a copy for X-mas. John ________________________________________ John Wasak Photography http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/6026 ________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #47 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. 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