From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #40 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, January 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 040 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Re: Grace/Jeffersons (NJC) [Marilune@aol.com] Re: Crown Of Creation (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Furry: He-Man's, Woman Haters Club.... NOT [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Grace/Jeffersons (NJC) [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: Grace/Jefferson Airplane(NJC) ["P. Henry" ] Re: Grace/Jefferson Airplane(NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] [none] [Bounced Message ] Grace Slick (njc) [evian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:55:04 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Grace/Jeffersons (NJC) In a message dated 1/22/99 2:15:31 PM, kakkib@att.net wrote: <> Try "Boys For Pele" if you haven't got it yet. it's obtuse and abstract but has some of the most beautiful songs Tori's ever written. Choirgirl Hotel is good too, but I am constantly drawn to BFP. i'd say the last two are my fave though "Under The Pink" is yummy. oh yeah and the Crucify EP, which has great piano versions of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (take that Nirvana bashers) and "Angie". Plus a neat remix of Crucify. - -mariana getting off before she sounds like Tori Amos fan #1 NP: Nirvana (what else?), Nevermind (my before finals studying commences music) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:02:23 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Crown Of Creation (NJC) Paul I wrote: >Well, I know that Paul Kantner "borrowed" >the lyrics for the title song from a sci-fi >novella, because I came across them >while reading the same novella in a >Science Fiction Hall of Fame collection. >I don't recall which story it is now... That would be: John Wyndham, "The Chrysalids" I have not read it and I had to ask for the answer on the Fulton Street list as I could not recall it either. gdave (who feels like he's on two Jefferson lists) NP: Grateful Dead 1/22/78 U of Oregon - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:05:13 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Furry: He-Man's, Woman Haters Club.... NOT In a message dated 1/22/99 9:03:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, DKasc13293 writes: Given Joni's penchant for hanging out with gay boys playing billiards at the Beverly Hills Athletic Club... I should call it the She-Man's, Man Haters Club. Look that is an over-generalized concept, I know (me overgeneralize?). I'm throwing it out for fodder nonetheless. Furry Sings the Blues is a good example. If the guys not leaving, down and drunk and using, not to blame, mean and old but liked nonetheless, a strange boy, or just yanking her to her knees, then there's something up with the negative depectioni of men. Not that there isn't a conterpoint, either. I still can't give Furry Sings the Blues a listen, just makes my "male" self esteem sink. P.S. I understand that this post has not had adequate development and is half baked, but should anyone be interested in discussing this concept of male bashing, subtle as it may be to some, then I will assume that the subject will develop in a natural way. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:05:56 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Grace/Jeffersons (NJC) Kakki wrote: > > >She then married the drummer of JA, Spencer Dryden. > > aka Skip Spence - I never knew that they were married! He was one of the > great characters of the 60s. Oh dear, I *don't* want to wear this out but.... Again, Grace was never actually married to any of the musicians in the Airplane or the Starship. She had flings with Spencer Dryden, Jack Casady & Jorma Kaukonnen. She lived with Paul Kantner & had his child, China. Towards the end of that relationship she got involved with the Jefferson Starship's lighting director, Skip Johnson (Paul had him fired when he found out but they later rehired him). She married Skip Johnson and is now divorced from him. (By the way, she says in her book that she is now a 'great big fag hag'- her words, not mine - and really enjoys the company of gay men.) And finally, Skip Spence is not the same drummer/person as Spencer Dryden. Skip Spence played drums for the Airplane on their very first album, The Jefferson Airplane Takes Off. He subsequently quit the band and was replaced by Spencer Dryden who played with the Airplane up through 'Volunteers', I believe. Joey Covington played on the couple of Airplane albums released before the name was officially retired. And now I think we should either end this thread, continue it via private email or take it over to the 2400 Fulton Street discussion list which discusses all things Airplane/Starship/Hot Tuna related. I'm sure the NJC police are hot on my tail & I expect to be busted at any minute. Mark in Seattle 'the underground ain't no place for hidin' now' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:08:59 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Crown Of Creation P. Henry wrote: >ok... since the JA/JS trivia ia flying, I'll >jump in and ask... what, if anything, does >anyone know/want to contribute about >what I consider their greatest album, >"Crown Of Creation"??? Try this: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Jeff_Tamarkin/crown.htm gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:26:40 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Grace/Jeffersons (NJC) >And now I think we should either end this thread, continue it via >private email or take it over to the 2400 Fulton Street discussion list >which discusses all things Airplane/Starship/Hot Tuna related. I'm sure >the NJC police are hot on my tail & I expect to be busted at any minute. Thanks Mark, you seem to be especially well-schooled on these topics. It *is* complicated keeping track of all the JA/JS/HT, et al family members and incarnations and I've learned a lot of new information. The JA were close and intertwined with Joni and her buddies CSN and others, plus she and Grace have always been good friends and spoken admiringly of each other on many occasions, so I'm not going to worry too much about "proper" relevance here. I spent the afternoon down at NJC police headquarters myself ;-) Kakki, going to do time on the 2400 Fulton list ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 03:09:30 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Grace/Jefferson Airplane(NJC) I haven't heard the entire album for many years... it's on my 'to get again' list... (imagine... at one time I even owned their 'great society' album!) but yes, I'm pretty sure that was on there... also, "wooden ships"... pat - -- On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:24:21 RickieLee1 wrote: >In a message dated 1/22/99 7:01:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, >badwolff@angelfire.com writes: > ><< what, if anything, does anyone know/want to contribute about what I >consider their greatest album, "Crown Of Creation"??? >> > >is that the one with david crosby's TRIAD on it? or did i hallucinate that? >great cover, in any case... > >peace, ric > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:02:28 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Grace/Jefferson Airplane(NJC) In a message dated 1/22/99 10:59:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << I haven't heard the entire album for many years... it's on my 'to get again' list... (imagine... at one time I even owned their 'great society' album!) but yes, I'm pretty sure that was on there... also, "wooden ships"... >> No, Wooden SHips is on Volunteers. Crown has Lather, among my favorites. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:12:00 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: [none] From: "Bryan Aaker" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:05:56 -0500 Hello JMDL persons. I have lurked around for a few weeks, enjoying most of your banter. I love Joni, and have been a fan since I bought her first LP, whatever it's called, just after it came out. I feel like she is one of the few "True Artists" of our musical generation. Someone who just "is"...not affected by phase or hype, just herself, a gifted songsmith, painter, and strong woman. What really compeled to write finally, was to respond to the Micheal Hedges question. My vote would be for his last CD, Oracle. I had the pleasure of seeing Micheal perform twice, very early in his carrer, and on his second to the last performance, on his last tour. It was in Louisville Kentucky, at a roadhouse kind of place, and the room contained about 100 people, 1/2 of which seemed to be guitarist who ooooed & ahhhhed all night long. I must say he was an amazing sight...all this music from Oricale come pouring off his ten fingers. You watched it happening, but he made it look so easy that you couldn't believe it all came out of his guitar. He wore a copper helmet on his shaved head, and sat on a huge red, rubber ball while he played, and on break he stopped at most tables and talked with us, while he drank a White Russian. He had one more stop on a small, maybe 25 city tour, and that was Minneapolis, the next night. Within weeks I read in Goldmine magazine he had passed. As my lovely wife and I made our way out the door to our car that night, we passed by a stand set up selling each off Micheals cd's, and I picked up Oricale... we listened in amazement on the way home to his wonderful sounds. His last recording was brillant! Nice to be at JMDL! Bryan Aaker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:11:58 -0600 From: evian Subject: Grace Slick (njc) > As for Grace Wing, she was originally married to Darby Slick of Great > Society where she got her surname. > Wasn't she married to Darby's brother? I can't think of his name, but I thought she was married to the brother. Darby wrote "Somebody to Love", didn't he? I am sure it was his brother he was married to. But then again, what the hell do I know! lol! Evian np: "Plastic Fantastic Lover"... you guys make sure I rotate cds regularly! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #40 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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