From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #30 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, January 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 030 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Judgement of the Moon and Stars [evian ] #JoniMitchell@EfNet [Bounced Message ] Re: Rush NJC ["John Villasana" ] Reply to Angela [The Humphreys ] Re: NJC: Ritual Purification (REM) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Then and Now (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Then and Now (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? [LRFye@aol.com] Re: NJC: Ritual Purification (REM) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: NJC: Ritual Purification (REM) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Then and Now (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Then and Now (NJC) [Dreamzvill@aol.com] RE: Black Wings (vljc) [luvart@snet.net] Two Grey Rooms ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: Black Wings (vljc) [Mark-n-Travis ] Re: MDESTE and the Dead (Grateful)(NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Hippie/Cobain [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Then and Now (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: MDESTE and the Dead (Grateful)(NJC) [Randy Remote ] Turbulent Indigo - promo ear [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? [RMuRocks@aol.com] Joni on Classic Rock! [Phyliss Ward ] Joni Mention in XTC Book [RMuRocks@aol.com] NJG:good/bad news [catman ] feeling very welcome on the jmdl...so thanks ["Angela Takats" ] Re: Songs that make me cry [Bounced Message ] song that makes me cry [Bounced Message ] Re: (NJC) Who invented Rap ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:59:45 -0600 From: evian Subject: Judgement of the Moon and Stars "Judgement of the Moon and Stars" was the first track that stood out to me on FTR. I took this album out of the library right after I became addicted to BLUE in high school, and, since I was basically searching for "Another Starry Night, Man!" at the time, that was the track that really reminded me of BLUE. Now, of course, I love, love love the album (even though I have misplaced it, put the cd away in another case, so all I have is an empty FTR case), but Judgement is still one of my fave Joni tracks. Evian np: Sade is still telling me that my love is king! LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:15:56 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: #JoniMitchell@EfNet From: jonilist@martin.dysentec.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:20:44 -0500 Dear Friends, The Internet Relay Chat (IRC) has finally met Joni Mitchell. Now, you are able to chat real-time with other Joni enthusiasts through the popular medium of IRC. It is actually very simple to do so! For people who already have an IRC client, just login to any north American EfNet server and join #JoniMitchell. If you do not have IRC, make a quick zip by the official #JoniMitchell@EfNet website, filled with step by step instructions on how to download and join. The website is at http://martin.dysentec.com/martin The press release can be viewed at http://martin.group.ca/press_release_5.html There is a wealth of information that can be exchanged, and it really provided for people to get to know each other a lot better. I look forward to chatting with you all! Dr. Martin Van Thomas-Paupertin President and CEO The Martin Group of Canada - A Member of Dysentec International http://martin.group.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:32:04 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Rush NJC Susan C. wrote: <<< I am bitter because RUSH is not the most popular band in the world, and despite their status... >> Were you really kidding? There are a lot of people who really feel kinda like that! > I was kidding about the bitter part. But I really do love Rush. I love them a lot. I can say this will all sincerity. They were a guiding light through a troubled adolescence. Their lyrics and unpretentious personalities had a huge influence on me. Did you know that they are only 4th in the all time gold records recieved catagory for albums? (behind the Beatles, The Stones, and KISS). All 20 of their albums have gone gold or platinum. I do wish they would get better media attention, because they truly deserve it. Unfortunately the attention they get is very negative. For some reason they inspire hatred with a lot of music critics. In an industry that worships the hip, they are a pretty obtuse lot. jOhn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:37:14 -0500 From: The Humphreys Subject: Reply to Angela Welcome!! I too am a relative newbie. This list is great! I just wanted to comment on your love for Down To You. That's the very song that introduced me to Joni when I was a teenager. At that time in my life, my folks would "drag" the family to the mountains every summer (a place I now cannot do without) for our vacation. One summer I met a woman whom I fell madly in love with and wanted to be just like. She was my teen idol I suppose. Anyway, she was an incredible guitar and piano player. Several of us would get together in a particular field and play music and sing to make the time pass. We also had access to a small upright piano in a nearby "rec" hall. One night she played Down To You and it was all over for me. I suppose I was about 12 or 13 and beginning to feel the complexities of my ever looming teen angst along with having a crush on every boy that walked by :-), but I also seemed to have this inner self that noone else understood. I guess I was the typical pre-teen but certainly didn't feel it at the time. This song seem to sum up an intellectual lonliness along with a somewhat mournful look at the reality of finding someone you previously considered infallible to actually be human and not what you believed in. I was at that point where I was seeing those things in my parents and feeling incredibly disallusioned. For all of those reasons, and many more, the song certainly spoke to me with an intimacy I found comforting and slightly alarming. To this day, this song holds alot for me. Have fun with this list. I feel like I'm learning a lot and making some new friends! You'll feel at home in no time. Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:20:22 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Ritual Purification (REM) In a message dated 1/15/99 8:01:30 PM Central Standard Time, mark-n- travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << I think 'Automatic for the People' & 'Green' are both classics. I'm not sure I can tell you why either. Some of what I feel about 'Automatic for the People' comes from what was going on in my life at the time I bought it. >> "Nightswimming" from "Automatic" may be REM's prettiest song; it hearkens to some of Joni's piano stuff I think. Bob M. NP: Laura Nyro "Been On A Train" (she plays a pretty mean piano too...this CD hasn't come out of the player since I got it a couple of weeks ago) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:23:04 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Then and Now (NJC) Bob in SC wrote: > Nowadays, markets are TOTALLY segmented and fractured. Except for > college radio and some creative NPR outlets, you're not going to hear > a country song followed by a rock and roll song followed by a rhythm & > blues song. Apparently the mighty, annoying FCC has its hands very involved in the whole situation and therefore controls much of what we hear. (Can you say "Big Brother"?) And the answer to that dilemma, illegal as it is, would be: pirate radio. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:25:43 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Then and Now (NJC) I wrote: > Bob in SC wrote: >> Nowadays, markets are TOTALLY segmented and fractured. but it was Bob M. who wrote that. Sorry, Bob(s)! Too early this morning ... Lori SAT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:47 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? Okay, now I am confused. Bob Muller, you do live in SC, right? And you're the same guy as RMuRocks Bob? Anymore men named Bob that I should be keeping straight? (No pun intended, you all know me too well.) So many Bobs, so little time. Lori badly needing coffee in San Antonio NP: All I Want, from Blue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:43:20 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Ritual Purification (REM) In a message dated 1/16/99 1:02:36 AM Central Standard Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << I have to correct myself: the first single, Radio Free Europe/Sitting Still was released in 1981. Sorry for the extra post. >> Hey Gina, I was lucky enough to catch them in a small gig in Raleigh at The Pier in 1981. They introduced themselves as "Rapid Eye Movement" and commented that they had only been together a few months. Of course, not having heard anything from them, I didn't recognize their original stuff but I *do* remember getting blown away by their sound. I also remember some of the covers they did "I'm Not Your Stepping Stone" & "Rock Lobster". There were probably only about 20 of us in the crowd, but we were loving it! Of course, back then Stipe had a full mangy head of hair and he shook it from side to side as he sang. When the band took a break, I headed to the men's room and ended up striking up a small conversation with Peter Buck. I told him how much I enjoyed their sound and that I thought they would go far...a prophetic statement if ever I did make one. They were probably selling copies of their single "Radio-Free Europe" on Hibtone Records - If I was REALLY a prophet I would've bought 'em all up as they're valuable collector's items now. I'd have been a "prophet with a profit" (Groan...sorry) And I would also vote REM the most important AMERICAN BAND (not to be confused with British bands or American solo artists) to come down the pipe with CCR in second place... Bob M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:52:10 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Ritual Purification (REM) In a message dated 1/16/99 9:46:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << And I would also vote REM the most important AMERICAN BAND (not to be confused with British bands or American solo artists) to come down the pipe with CCR in second place... Bob M. >> I don't know, Bob. I think Dino, Desi and Billy would have to top that list. Those three were all pretty damn important! At least to themselves and their families. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:01:58 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Then and Now (NJC) In a message dated 1/16/99 8:28:05 AM Central Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << but it was Bob M. who wrote that. Sorry, Bob(s)! Too early this morning ... >> No sweat Lori...we're the same guy! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:04:16 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? In a message dated 1/16/99 8:39:21 AM Central Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Okay, now I am confused. Bob Muller, you do live in SC, right? And you're the same guy as RMuRocks Bob? >> You got it - I have an address at work and this one at the house - I'm gonna start just signing "Bob" since there's not a lot of other Bobs active at present on the list... Bob ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:13:01 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? In a message dated 1/16/99 8:39:21 AM Central Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Anymore men named Bob that I should be keeping straight? (No pun intended, you all know me too well.) >> Keeping me str8 is easily done, but if you're ever in Raleigh NC I got a sister I can hook you up with...:~D Bob, getting ready to go watch my kid play a little hoops...and having a hard time typing with my hands in the air :^D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:31:38 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Then and Now (NJC) In a message dated 1/16/99 2:25:50 PM !!!First Boot!!!, LRFye@aol.com writes: << And the answer to that dilemma, illegal as it is, would be: pirate radio. >> Lori- You hit a nerve!!! We want to start our own radio station, pirate or not, Internet or not.....anyone know how to go about it??? I'm game for anything!!!! =) Cheers, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:06:15 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: RE: Black Wings (vljc) At 12:39 AM 1/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >hi folks, i guess i'm back > WELCOME BACK PATRICK!! Thanks so much for the info. I'm definitely going to check it out. >heather wrote > >>the dancers who represent geometric shapes. > >the choreography and costuming in 'black wings' refer to a piece called >'triadic ballet' that was done around 1923. the costumes (the most >important element, of course) were done by oskar schlemmer. i think most >dancers and probably most visual artists have these images in their head. > >bette midler used the concept very directly in her 1982 shows, (DeTour) and >in the 83 HBO special 'art or bust' (the third act, when she sings 'broken >bicycles', 'everyone's gone to the moon', and 'here comes the flood') > >a web search on 'triadic ballet' will take you to original photos. > >patrick > >np - siberry - a day in the life - (actually just 'coming up for air' and >'hain't it funny') > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:41:27 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Two Grey Rooms Via the midi page someone has asked me if I know where I could get hold of the sheet music for "Two Grey Rooms". Anyone out there have the book for Night Ride Home? From what I could find out it's not readably available anywhere. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:55:48 EST From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms i have that book. i have to go to the library right now to work, and i will make a copy of it for you. just tell me where to send it. ray in illinois ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:38:40 -0800 From: Mark-n-Travis Subject: Re: Black Wings (vljc) patrick leader wrote: > > the choreography and costuming in 'black wings' refer to a piece called > 'triadic ballet' that was done around 1923. the costumes (the most > important element, of course) were done by oskar schlemmer. i think most > dancers and probably most visual artists have these images in their head. > > bette midler used the concept very directly in her 1982 shows, (DeTour) Hi Patrick! Welcome back! You were missed. I have never seen the Black Wings video that I can remember anyway and when this post about it showed up I thought about the Bette Midler concert I saw in the 80's and those particular songs. Thank you for clearing that up in my sometimes foggy brain. And again, welcome back! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:38:58 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: MDESTE and the Dead (Grateful)(NJC) As someone who has seen the Dead on a number of occassions over many years I thought I could contribute at least some musical perspective. I first saw the grateful Dead in about 1968. At that time they were an electrified folk group. They did however have a quality even then before they figured out how to play loud, that the best way to describe it was that what they were trying to do as a musical band was so difficult (or they werent as a whole good enough) that they could only achieve their best sound on certain nights. Others they didnt and when they didnt they were disjointed and boring. And I saw them on days and nights like that. On the other hand New Years Eve around 1971 at Winterland they hit a place no other band that I have ever heard did. They would play long and interesting songs with many musical interludes all spontaneous and when it worked it was better than almost anything else you could experience live. jerry had some magic nights. I will miss his playing forever. Sometime in the mid 70's however for whatever reason they held something like 30 nights in a row two shows a night and they did it all acoustic. This in my opinion was the "Hamburg" phase of the Dead. After this extended run (three of the shows I went to) the Dead were never the same. They were Goooood. By the end they were a machine. They had very few bad nights and if anything they were getting better. They were everything that a band was supposed to be. Independent of the record industry (let alone company) and had the hardest core fans in the industry to the extent they achieved musical nirvana. Totally liberrated from the music industry. That has to be worth something. Their organization was apparrently from all reports able to manage their entire and considerable commercial enterprise. lastly they were in your face fearless of so called bootleg industry that supposedly robs the industry of billions in annual revenues. The Dead had a literal section for their devoted Tapers. They had to get some co-concerteers (like Dylan) a tranquilizer dart when ol Bob went out on stage to face a sea of bootleggers microphones. While Bobby D's attorney croaked, Bob survived and now hes on a million Dead tapes. The Dead finally came from the late 50's early 60's folk scene on the west Peninsula. Clubs like the Golden lamp in Burlingame and places in San Jose and Palo Alto had some famous musicians and some early pioneers of the rock world play in the peninsula clubs. Jerry and the Dead tought in a music store in palo Alto. There have been many comments on this thread that the Dead were somehow an inferior band musically. Not true. Gerry's imaginative riffs were technically impressive on some nights way beyond that. If you want to hear some super conventional solo riffes I will always suggest Beat it On Down the Line off the very first album. If that song doesnt get your rock juices going then see a doctor. The bottom line is they were perhaps the most daring band ever. They tried things others never would. And they did it all the time. So some may choose to wallow in comparing the Dead to other bands that are always "technically perfect" (although I cant think of any now who in fact are). I close with a reflection on the New Years eve show I mentioned. They had a phenomenal night in which on each song (many styles by the way) they had all the musicians improvising and all seemingly almost playing different SONGS simultaneously. Then without any signal or other indication that they should resume the ensemble they suddenly all lurched back to the same notes at precisely the same instant. With an explosive note all the instruments were suddenly perfectly in tune and position in the song. The audience more or less wasnt expecting what seemed like a disjointed, rudderless, improvisation section to suddenly blast into perfect symbiosis like a swiss watch. the audience once it realized what had happened went crazy with excitement. And the Dead did this time and again all night long. That was what separated the Dead from anyone else. they were the "foreign film" equivalent of a rock band. Not Spielberg. Not Peckinpaugh. No pyrotechnics or special effects. But like great foreign film where the story is so good and there are no special effects that you leave and realize you have been part of something different and wonderful. Now maybe most cant grasp the goodness and importance of such playing. Thats ok with me. I only know that what the Dead brought to the table was true RISK in a live performance. Like a great high wire act. The bottom line is they ultimately pulled it off. As Bill Graham once said, and it was painted onto the outside wall at Winterland in SF, "They arent the best at what they do they are the only ones who do what they do" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:01:26 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Hippie/Cobain Paul wrote: > When I first started hearing Neil Young and Crosby and the boys, and Joni, and > James and Jimi and Janis and Jerry and Judy and Joan and John Just look at all those J's! Oh, how I miss the days of jays ... Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:18:17 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Then and Now (NJC) Dreamzvill@aol.com wrote: > You hit a nerve!!! We want to start our own radio station, pirate or not, > Internet or not.....anyone know how to go about it??? I'm game for > anything!!!! =) > > Cheers, Susan C. I feel sorry for all you folks who don't have a fantastic radio station like KMUD-FM, our public volunteer run local station. It was started with $10,000 worth of donations from the community and a bunch of home stereo equipment. Now they have just purchased and revamped an old house for permanent headquarters, and have three transmitters to cover a large part of the northern section of Calif. You can find rock, jazz, lez, talk, local news, live events, there is no playlist, and all the DJ's are volunteers who can play whatever they want. It's do-able, and you said "we" so I assume you have others interested. You can hear them on the web at www.kmud.org and I'm sure you can email them and ask about starting your own station. They are in contact with lots of other similar stations. As for pirate radio, that's do-able, too, but the FCC has been cracking down on them increasingly over the last couple of years. Horror stories abound. It's like Ronald McDonald clubbing the local hotdog vender. What are they so afraid of, it's the people's airwaves, supposedly. Anyway, people are still doing it. You could try a search engine. Hope this helps. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:25:18 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? In a message dated 1/16/99 10:16:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << Bob, getting ready to go watch my kid play a little hoops...and having a hard time typing with my hands in the air :^D >> Bob, come on, now. A REAL man can type with his hands in the air. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:25:15 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: MDESTE and the Dead (Grateful)(NJC) > As Bill Graham once said, and it was painted onto the outside wall at > Winterland in SF, "They arent the best at what they do they are the only ones > who do what they do" I agree with alot of what you said, and respect the Dead (especially Garcia) and Bill Graham, but I find the above statement ridiculous. Jazz musicians have been improvising (and with altered chemistry) before the Dead were born. Garcia was sometimes embarrassed by the adoration shown by his fans. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:42:50 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Hippie/Cobain In a message dated 1/16/99 1:04:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << > When I first started hearing Neil Young and Crosby and the boys, and Joni, and > James and Jimi and Janis and Jerry and Judy and Joan and John Just look at all those J's! Oh, how I miss the days of jays ... Lori San Antonio >> I know what you mean. I could use a good J right about now! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Who invented Rap (NJC) > Rap's dirty little secret is that it was invented by white people! Check > out Meredeth Wilson's "The Music Man" > Check out Cab Callaway doing "Minnie the Moocher" in the 1930's! > John Lennon invented rap with "Give Peace A Chance" OK! But seriously.... As I understand it, the closest roots of rap lie in "toasting," the narrative poetry of the black American oral tradition. These toasts are often boastful, often scatological, rhyming, rhythmic but not in strict meter -- without musical backing, though. Rounder used to have an album of them out called "Get Your Ass in the Water and Swim Like Me" (don't know if it's still in print). There's a book with the same title (from the early '70s) collecting a number of toasts from the oral tradition. I'm not an expert on rap history, and don't know if there's a direct link between the tradition and the early DJs, but on the basis of this book it seems to me at least the raw elements of rap's style and subject matter were present in black culture long before Lennon, and probably long before Calloway. Another recorded example ("Garbage Man") in print is on Rounder's _Don'tcha Hear Poor Mother Calling?: Prison Songs, vol. 2_ in the Alan Lomax series, recorded in 1948 in Parchman farm. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:54:17 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Turbulent Indigo - promo ear Luke's recent post stated: I hear (no pun) there was a gold one and a silver one, Joni discusses the packaging in a couple interviews. I believe one was with Leno? I am also pursuing this...good luck to all searching for this, I have had no luck ... I would trade something as difficult to find for it! Maurice building bridges ....instead of walls ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:10:22 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Will all members named Bob raise their hands? In a message dated 1/16/99 12:25:18 PM Central Standard Time, IVPAUL42 writes: << Bob, come on, now. A REAL man can type with his hands in the air. >> Paul, I tried...I just kept hitting the space bar... NP: Tori, "Black-Dove (January) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:11:47 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Joni on Classic Rock! Hi everyone. Yes, I'm still here lurking. This morning I got on my new elliptical fitness trainer for a workout and flipped on the local classic rock station. The D.J. was announcing a trivia quiz. The question was: "What song of Joni Mitchell's inspired the Led Zepplin song Going to California?" Some idiot suggested Big Yellow Taxi, another thought it was Woodstock, the third caller got it right at California. In the mean time the D.J. himself can't believe the wrong answers, saying it was probably the easiest trivia question he's ever asked. Anyway, the winner got a copy of Joni's "greatest hits" CD courtesy Reprise. So does this mean Reprise is promoting Joni to the classic rock stations these days!? Then, miracle of miracles, they actually played California! AND, after that, the D.J. continued on about how much Zeplin loved Joni. I was in heaven. One of the reasons this was really a thrill for me is that I have never heard Joni on this station before (not that I listen that much). Also, when I was on my "quest" to meet Joni I called the owner of the station. He was very friendly but said that since they don't play her music, he didn't think he could help me. His dream is to meet Elton John. After I met Joni I called him back and told him I had succeeded and that he should go for it. End of Sermon - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:58:33 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Joni Mention in XTC Book As I had stated earlier, I finished reading this week the book "XTC:Songs & Stories" by Neville Farmer. There is a mention of Joni in the epilogue and also a paragraph that I thought we could relate to: "Any intelligent, sensitive composer is bound to show the influence of his/her personal surroundings-Elgar did, Copeland did, Gershwin did, Bartok did, Woody Guthrie, Dylan Thomas, Robert Johnson, The Beatles, Joan Baez, Bruce Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, The Kinks, Joni Mitchell, The Beach Boys, and XTC." Then he says regarding the analytical nature of the book: "XTC fans, myself included I suppose, love to know what is behind every nuance of their music. Part of the fun of being a fan is to analyze, dissect, theorize, on the hidden meaning in a song. This can naturally lead into reading far more into a piece of music than even the writer intended. And the more remote the heroes might become, the more fans' fascination in the minutiae is amplified." Although I don't know that Joni writes any songs as "fluffy filler", and I wonder sometimes even after our analysis of her work if we only scratch the surface of her brilliance... Bob NP: Tori, "Pandora's Aquarium" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 23:10:02 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJG:good/bad news the good news-we found a house today and made an offer-huge garden-three nbeds, lounge and large kitchen diner. bad news-i got home to find we had been burgled. hifi and vcr gone. stupid fucks left the computer and the cd writer. THANK GOD. mvoing out tonight just as soon as I finish this back to John's flat. so we are back to living in one small falt for now. Cats all going tomorrow to my friends house in Hatfield as they can't saty here now either as the burglers know they are here and the pc too so that is going tonight also. The poilce and coundil have said my flat cannot be protected due to the type of double glazing we have-even thought all windowws are locked-the bastards just jemmy it from outside. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:09:25 PST From: "Angela Takats" Subject: feeling very welcome on the jmdl...so thanks Thanks so much for making me feel welcome…..i love the list already! And I am already totally green with envy at how many of you have met joni in person. I know I have so much to learn when it comes to joni, but I also know I’m in good hands. I have only known joni’s music for four years now…..but already, it has painted it’s way through my memories….. I went to university in a small country town three hrs away from Sydney, called "Bathurst"…..i drove there and back so many times during my three years of study, and joni would be the only music ever playing….. Driving thru the hazy blue mountains " Thru the tunnel tiled and turning, Into daylight once again I am escaping" – past endless green fields with grass dancing in the breeze "bearing beads from California , with their amber stones and green" – along tiny dusty roads, flashes of small rural towns where everyone knows each others name "I get these notes on butterflies and lilac sprays from girls who just had to tell me, they saw you somewhere"……. Good memories, of saving up my money to buy the next joni CD, and holding it tightly on the walk home from the music store, knowing it would be full of surprises and amazing tunes that would please my ears like the last one did. I remember getting Court and Spark….and being so disapointed at how seventies and band-like it sounded – so far from the raw guitar"ness" of her earlier work – but it didn’t take me long to fall for it – "you go down to the pick up station craving warmth and beauty, you settle for less than fascination, few drinks later you’re not so choosy" – "stone-cold Grace behind her fan And me in my frightened silence Thinking I don’t understand" Oh….big sigh….i know we’ve all read and sung these words a hundred times, but they will never cease to inspire and capture me. Thank God for joni Thoughts from Ange ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:20:41 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Ritual Purification (REM) n a message dated 1/16/99 9:47:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: > I was lucky enough to catch them in a small gig in Raleigh at The Pier in > 1981. They introduced themselves as "Rapid Eye Movement" and commented that Lucky, indeed! Wow! Wish I had been there. I've never seen them perform. I shy away from large arena concerts now, preferring to take in shows at smaller, more intimate venues. No chance of ever seeing REM under those circumstances again. In the same post Bob went on to say: > And I would also vote REM the most important AMERICAN BAND (not to be > confused > with British bands or American solo artists) to come down the pipe with CCR > in second place I agree with you that they are the best AMERICAN rock band. I wished I had made that distinction after I sent out the post. I tried to think of my second choice but I came up short. I hope someone doesn't say the E-Street band! No, just kidding...I'm not a big Springsteen fan, that's all. Watch all the Bruce fans come out of the woodwork now! Ha! Okay, I am a big Neil Young fan,so I'll go out on a limb some and say Crazy Horse. But then there is also The Band. My husband (that old hippie!) picked The Jimi Hendrix Experience or Santana. As for CCR, their heyday predated my time in the U.S. and unlike many older artists and bands I love, I never really caught on to them later. I'll tell you, though, my husband recently brought home Blue Moon Swamp by John Fogerty (released last year, I believe) and it's incredibly good! Are you familiar with it? Fill me in on CCR, if you will. How many albums? What, if anything else, has John Fogerty done solo? Interesting guy, judging from Blue Moon Swamp. Gina NP: Rhythm Of The Saints - Paul Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:29:54 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Turbulent Indigo - promo ear well, i don't want to make anyone jealous, but i have one of those ears. when TI was released, her label was celebrating her return and hosted receptions at several key markets across the nation, boston being one. the record station i listened to at work at the time (WBOS) announced that they had free tickets to the reception and anyone interested should fax in a request. i immediately did so. "i wanna go! please!" 2 minutes went by and i faxed another "please please please" - i was pathetic!!! 3 minutes went by and i faxed a third "please call me. please please!" then my phone rang and this dj growled at me "you are using up all my fax paper!!!" but he told me i would have two tickets waiting for me at the door of the club where the reception was held. yippee!!! i was beside myself! didn't get much work done the rest of that day... i went and had the time of my life! there was all this wonderful food, including a gigantic lobster, and red snapper and breads, and apples and cheeses, and they had a raffle for a free copy of a signed litho of the TI cover, and they gave away free copies of the cd, one of which i snagged and in it found this little silver ear. it was so cool! i wear it on my key chain. i had a great time at that party, hanging out with a bunch of other rabid joni fans and we all shared our joni stories and had too much to drink. i have often wondered if any of the new england list members here were there with me that night. and i have this little ear as a keepsake. thanks reprise! thanks joni! and no, you cannot have it. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:42:31 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: CCR & REM In a message dated 1/16/99 6:23:24 PM Central Standard Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << Lucky, indeed! Wow! Wish I had been there. I've never seen them perform. I shy away from large arena concerts now, preferring to take in shows at smaller, more intimate venues. No chance of ever seeing REM under those circumstances again.>> True, and Joni too, unfortunately...but who knows? And that's why I'm anxious to go hear a group that may be unknown today but superstars tomorrow... << I agree with you that they(REM) are the best AMERICAN rock band. I wished I had made that distinction after I sent out the post. I tried to think of my second choice but I came up short. I hope someone doesn't say the E-Street band! No, just kidding...I'm not a big Springsteen fan, that's all. Watch all the Bruce fans come out of the woodwork now! Ha! Okay, I am a big Neil Young fan,so I'll go out on a limb some and say Crazy Horse. But then there is also The Band. My husband (that old hippie!) picked The Jimi Hendrix Experience or Santana.>> I *AM* a huge Springsteen fan but even though I like the E-streeters, it's still Bruce's show (I mean, they call him The Boss, right?) The Band is mostly Canadian, I think. And Crazy Horse, JH Experience & Santana are all great but IMO are more backups for the leader. << As for CCR, their heyday predated my time in the U.S. and unlike many older artists and bands I love, I never really caught on to them later. I'll tell you, though, my husband recently brought home Blue Moon Swamp by John Fogerty (released last year, I believe) and it's incredibly good! Are you familiar with it? Fill me in on CCR, if you will. How many albums? What, if anything else, has John Fogerty done solo? Interesting guy, judging from Blue Moon Swamp.>> I haven't picked up on 'Swamp' yet but I know I should - I love Fogerty's voice and guitar work. CCR only recorded a handful of albums 3 or 4, but they were known for singles not for albums and they had a mess of 'em in their short career. More on the subject later, I'm too pooped now to get into it...;~) PS - a tip of the old hat to the person who recommended KMUD - I pulled it up on the Web and have been enjoying it ever since... Bob NP: Some cool reggae mon - on KMUD Gina NP: Rhythm Of The Saints - Paul Simon ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc03.m >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:48:28 EST From: AUDRE60317@aol.com Subject: chieftains Is Joni on the new "Chieftains" CD? What is the new CD called? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:12:33 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: (NJC) Aussie Rush & Susan C. Hello everyone, A belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all; especially to all newcomers and delurkers, of which there has been an incredible amount! I just wanted to apologise to Susan C who sent a message a while ago regarding Rush and Yes and I 'meant' to get back to you but alas buggered around! :-) Living in Mooroolbark, Victoria (Australia) a small suburb approximately 50 minutes from Melbourne, we don't particularly have a 'thriving' alternate scene. More often than not you have to travel to Melbourne to see any international acts or local artists. Yes, there are a few areas that have bands and back around '91-'94 we even had International bands like Fugazi and Fear Factory grace our culturally deprived suburb!! (Well Croydon anyway which is just next door!) Australia being so far away and a small population for it's immense size doesn't always attract many acts. Usually they can't financially justify spending all the money to bring their tours here, example Dream Theater. So for a number of progressive fans, bands like Rush, Yes, King Crimson etc just don't tour or tour only once. For younger fans like my husband (who's 24) this is frustrating but something you just have to accept it. So we desperately buy all their releases especially live ones and cling to our dwindling hope that perhaps one day our favourite artists will be able to make the long trek here and brighten our dull lives! (Hint, hint Joni!!) Vanessa P.S. In regards to Rush all I can say is I appreciate and respect their music but when Geddy Lee sings, for me it's like hearing fingernails being run down a blackboard!! :-0 Aurally excruciating! BTW, bugger anyone who says my spelling, grammar or punctuation is appalling! I call this condition... counldn'tgivearat'sass! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:12:46 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:27:15 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" > Susan L.A. > Honey McBabe-NP-"I shall be released" from the milking dayz The Republic decrees that you shall never be released from your milking dayz. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:13:12 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: song that makes me cry Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Song for sharon. I went to Staten Island, Sharon, to buy myself a mandolin. Always wind up hearing this song ON the Staten Island Ferry, on the way to church, with my mom. Boo hoo. Not many reasons, mind you, to go to Staten Island. I like to think Joni has made the ferry a sort of pilgrimage point for her fans. I wonder how many of us have ridden on the Staten Island Ferry? It's free now. But nothing like it once was. B.- Like their fathers before them they'll Walk the girders of the Manhattan skyline. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:51:02 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: (NJC) Who invented Rap Winfried Hühn wrote: <> Geezeus, Winfried, you will make a fine Republican! E.T. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #30 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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