From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #13 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, January 8 1999 Volume 04 : Number 013 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Male singers for tribute album [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Bjork ["John Villasana" ] Re: Male singers for tribute album ["Kakki" ] John Kelly in Vanity Fair ["Kakki" ] Profile NJC [dsk ] Singing to Wally [dsk ] Joni Tribute ["John M. Lind" ] Tamil love (NJC) [Thomas Ross ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #12 ["Goodwin" ] Jazz musicians... [Daniel Parker ] Re: Jazz musicians... [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Princes new video on internet (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] Dusty - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Profiles (NJC) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] NJC: I&I and Bjork [LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)] Re: JM Tribute Disc ["Don Rowe" ] Joni songbooks [Howard Wright ] Grammy [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Penny Gibbons)] Profiles (NJC) ["Scott Crane" ] NJC: White Album open tunings [Howard Wright ] Re[2]: JM Tribute Disc [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Marian Unplugged again [Bounced Message ] Re: some more words on Prince, Grammies, and rap (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluord] Re: Top Albums (NJC) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: JM Tribute Disc [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Random Rambling - fair warning [DKasc13293@aol.com] JM Tribute Disc/Backstreet Boys [LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)] Re: JM Tribute Disc/Backstreet Boys [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Random Rambling - fair warning [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: some more words on Prince, Grammies, and rap (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC: Bjork [RickieLee1@aol.com] Joni Tribute Album [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: JM Tribute Disc/Backstreet Boys [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: NJC: I&I and Bjork [catman ] sexual voyureism [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] Re: NJC: I&I and Bjork [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 04:04:14 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Male singers for tribute album I don't have specific song suggestions, but any suitable song from the first nine studio albums (STAS-DJRD) would do nicely as sung by any or all of the following singers: James Taylor, Sting, Peter Gabriel, Prince, Graham Nash, David Crosby, Tom Rush, Seal, and Milton Nascimento. And I dig the Rolling Stones doing Cold Blue Steel. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:15:44 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Bjork Hi All, Catman wrote: I have to admit that this thought has crossed my mind. I have a couple of Bjork albums. A few of the cuts are striking, but I tire of them quickly. I have also noticed that she doesn't really sing. One idea that has struck me is that much of pop music is about cult of personality. I have to admit that though I love Joni's music and lyrics, I was in love when I read her interviews. I probably wouldn't be such a fan if I wasn't so attracted to her personality and beliefs. In this light, I will say that I find Bjork to be a profoundly interesting personality. She's sexy, spontaneous, highly creative, funny, and seems to be totally original. I found a Bjork website with lots of quotes and interviews. She weaves beautiful storys that you have to read to appreciate. jOhn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:45:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Male singers for tribute album Fred wrote: >I don't have specific song suggestions, but any suitable song from the first >nine studio albums (STAS-DJRD) would do nicely as sung by any or all of the >following singers: James Taylor, Sting, Peter Gabriel, Prince, Graham Nash, >David Crosby, Tom Rush, Seal, and Milton Nascimento. Ooh, Fred I think you are on to something good. Right away I'm hearing, in their own distinctive styles: Sting: Cotton Avenue Milton: Night In The City Seal: Chelsea Morning JT: Morning Morgantown Peter G.: Banquet Crosby: Down To You Graham: Jericho Tom R.: Marcie Prince: Song To A Seagull "Fly silly C bird, no dreams can possess U.." >And I dig the Rolling Stones doing Cold Blue Steel. I dig, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:55:10 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: John Kelly in Vanity Fair Just got the February VF and found this nice bit about John Kelly on page 115: (New York insiders - perhaps you can translate some of this for us!) "Beau monde met demimonde at the third annual holiday party for CRIA (Community Research Initiative on AIDS), hosted by Carolina and Reinaldo Herrera, Bob Colacello, Karol DeWulf Nickell, and president Ross Bleckner, who opened his Tribeca home for the event. After dinner (the debut effort of Mortimer's new catering business), 120 guests, including Judy and Samuel Peabody and Barbara de Kwiakowski, were soon reminded they were way below 14th Street by performance artist John Kelly, who transfixed benefactors with his impersonation of Joni Mitchell." Congratulations John! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 05:19:52 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Profile NJC Mary Grace Valentinsson wrote: > 18. Word or phrase you overuse:- "fuhgeddaboutit" - ------------ That's one of my favorite New York words although I thought it was spelled fuuuhGIDaboudid. :-) I've enjoyed reading these lists so think I'll do mine and resist writing about the trial that started today. Happy? Although, this might include more about me, me, me than you, you, you want to know. 1. Name: Debra Shea K.... 2. Nicknames: Debs (but never, ever, Debbie), Shea, Summer (from roommates in Massachusetts because I could not wait until the long northern winter was over; LOVE that summer sun, even though I can only be in it for about 30 seconds before turning red -- I hate that!) 3. Hometown: Vienna, Virginia; now New York City 4. School: BFA UMass/Amherst; now at Pratt learning HTML, Java, etc (another way to make some money? new art form? don't know yet) 5. Bacon bits or croutons: croutons (flour, grease, salt, yummy) 6. Favorite salad dressing: Newman's Own Olive Oil and Vinegar (with no sugar, which is VERY hard to find) 7. What do you drink: iced tea, herbal teas, espresso in the morning 8. What type of deodorant do you use: the kind that smells "cool and clear" (know it when I see it at the store; doesn't seem worth a trip to the bathroom right now just to get the brand name; OK?) 9. Favorite shampoo: L'Oreal 10. Favorite Color(s): periwinkle (that color that looks both blue and purple); and very deep teal (that color that looks both blue and green); didn't know women and men see it differently. 11. One pillow or two: 2 artificial-filling non-allergic things that I fight with. 12. Pets: None (keep talking myself out of going to the animal shelter to get two kittens; picture an orange cat and a black & white one running around. I'd like that. Then I decide to get a puppy so they can all grow up together and be pals; by now in my fantasy it's feeling really crowded in my little apartment and I really don't have the time for walking and training a puppy, do I?; so I set the trip to the animal shelter aside for awhile, again) 13. Favorite Movie(s): Peter Weir's The Last Wave and Witness stick in my mind; their clash of cultures theme intrigues me. And, Seven Years in Tibet and Kundun. 14. Favorite Types of Music: Joni's always; her poetic lyrics captured me long ago; even TTT has some jewels ("clinging like fire to fuel" -- she's a genius with metaphors). Also, folk music from the Andes is a favorite, very haunting. For a while I worked in midtown Manhattan on Sundays, and a band would play that music all day. Made my opera-loving co-worker nuts, but I loved it, especially the way the sounds echoed and seemed to get into every nook and cranny of NY's artificial canyons; it was one of the few sounds to get into the skyscraper I was in 15. Hobbies: starting yoga; singing soprano in the choir (sometimes we're upstairs) 16. Dream Car: a blue one, with an always-ready-to-drive chauffeur, privacy in the back and a good sound system. 17. Type of car you drive: no driving, just as passenger -- NYC taxi, bus or subway depending on where I'm going and time of day, time of year 18. Word or phrase you overuse: Enough, already! (learned that one here in NY); also am saying oomph a lot lately (which my 8-yr old niece pointed out during my Christmas visit), as in "add some oopmh to ...." 19. Favorite food: Stews with bread; and soups with crunchy crackers 20. Piercings or tattoos: pierced earlobes, which was done when I turned 16 as some old-fashioned rite of passage. Only time I've ever fainted was when my second ear, the left one, was pierced (yeah, I know, what a wimp) so don't think I'll be getting any more piercings. Am curious about those henna tattoos... 21. Do you get along with your parents: in short visits, yes 22. Favorite town to chill in: Paris (have visited; would love to live there) 23. Favorite ice cream: Used up my lifetime supply of ice cream in the few years after I quit smoking, so now try to stay away 24. Favorite soda: diet pepsi 25. What's your bedtime: 3 to 5 a.m. 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: don't know; whatever fits me the best 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: Most perfumes make my eyes water (again, I know, phew, what a wimp), so am stuck with hand creams. Favorite is Sunriders Oi-Lin Lotion. 28. Favorite song at the moment: Let the wind carry me 29. Favorite website: the Joni ones; museum ones; www.gamelan.com (with more than you want to know about Java) 30. Favorite subjects in school: figure drawing and color theory 31. Least favorite subject: gym, although learning square dancing was fun (yeah, that's what we did in Virginia when I was a kid) 32. Favorite sport to watch: Baseball; figure skating (I love that swooshing sound their skates make on the ice) 33. Most humiliating moment: Can't remember (no, really!) 34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: Everyone except me (does that mean something?) 35. Favorite holiday(s): Thanksgiving 36. Favorite books: of all time -- Les Miserables and To Kill a Mockingbird; now -- English murder mysteries 37. Favorite poet: At the moment, Rumi, passion AND a sense of humor! and, now, about that trial. . . bye, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 05:49:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Singing to Wally Wally Breese wrote: > ...my scans look clear of the tumour, and that's a good indication that the chemotherapy and radiation treatments have been successful. Also, just yesterday I got back the results of a few biopsies taken during a recent internal exam and they were all free of any cancer... Wally, This is wonderful news! I'll sing to you all week while you're in the hospital -- all Joni of course (we're talking powerful prayers here). Please let us know when you're back home (not that that will stop my singing to you)... Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 08:08:57 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Joni Tribute Hey, I thought of another one on my way into work this morning. "God Must Be A Boogie Man"- Steely Dan John~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:28:54 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Tamil love (NJC) A K Ramanujan, translating 3rd-cent. Tamil love poetry: What He Said If one can tell morning from noon from listless evening, the night of sleeping towns from dawn, then one's love is a lie. If I should lose her I could proclaim my misery in the streets riding mock horses on palmyra stems in my wildness:but that seems such a shame. But then, even living, away from here, seems such a shame. What She Said Only the thief was there, no one else, And if he should lie, what can I do? There was only a thin-legged heron standing on legs yellow as millet stems and looking for lampreys in the running water when he took me. this is from his *Interior Landscapes*, which I've pilfered often. Check 'em out! tr ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:32:23 +1100 From: "Goodwin" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #12 > >Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:30:50 +0100 >From: "Winfried Hühn" >Subject: Profiles > >O.K. here it goes: > >1. Name: Winfried >2. Nicknames: Winni, Win, Winny, Winnie ( "Winni" is the German one) >3. Hometown: None (due to Dad being an armed services member) >3a) Home-country: Germany, nowadays a province in Euroland (YAAAAY!) Loved your post Win, just about inspired me to join in too. Thought it was the best yet among a great selection and yes, Michael, we do read them! Paul G Sydneyside Here are mine, for those who are interested... 1. Name: Paul Goodwin 2. Nickname: Basil, Goos-gog, but usually nothing. 3. Hometown: Sydney but was born in Gravesend, Kent, UK burial site of Princess Pocahontas. 4. School: Southfields Secondary (soon to close I believe) 5. Bacon bits or croutons: Not keen on either, as matter of fact 6. Favorite salad dressing: prefer it naked as the day it was born 7. What do you drink: Lots of hot, milky tea, occasional beer or wine and water from the tap 8. What type of deodorant do you use: Gillette transparent gel 9. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: anything that is on the shower rack 10. Favorite Colour(s): have always been orange and green, but don't ask me why! 11. One pillow or two: One is enough and even it is almost superfluous 12. Pets: Only those to be found in the wild 13. Favorite Movie(s): Blow Up, most Woody Allens, Antonioni and Jiri Menzel films from Czech Republic, but definitely not Ealing comedies! 14. Favorite Types of Music: JONI MITCHELL, Bonnie Raitt, Carole King, Santana, Joan Armatrading, tori Amos, Jackson Browne, Joan Baez, Holly Cole, Nicolette Larson, et al 15. Hobbies: Reading, writing, but definitely not rithmatic. Watching and writing about, professional soccer in Australia 16. Dream Car: One that does not crash and gets me there in one piece. 17. Type of car you drive: My son's if I am lucky, a Daihatsu Applause, otherwise any old jallopy 18. Word or phrase you overuse: Before I go on, let me tell you about... 19. Favorite food: Steak and kidney pie, but definitely not pudding! 20. Piercings or tattoos: None and no jewellery either. 21. Do you get along with your parents: Both have died in the last few years but I got on fine as I left home at 17 and hardly saw them after that. Not that there was any ill feeling, just a desire to spread the wings and fly away. 22. Favorite town to chill in: Bellingen, NSW, Australia, the heart of banana and basket weaving country! 23. Favorite ice cream: nutty crunch 24. Favorite soda: Still waters run deeper 25. What's your bedtime: getting later than ever these days, 11-2 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: Anything without holes in the soles! 27. Favorite cologne: on a woman, opium, on me, lagerfeld photo 28. Favorite song at the moment: Rule Brittannia 29. Favorite website: Any soccer site or music site, esp JMDL 30. Favorite subject in school: English 31. Least favorite subject: Science 32. Favorite sport to watch: Speedway Motorcycles or Soccer 33. Craziest,silliest person I know: The people on this list ! 34.Most humiliating moment? Can't repeat, but forgetting one's own phone number during a job interview due to nerves comes close. 35. Favorite holiday(s): Try to avoid taking them, every day life is much more fun! 36. Favorite saying: Into each life a little rain must fall. 37. Books: All sorts, but I can think of Lisa Alther, Alison Lurie, John Updike, Paul Theroux, John Irving, Martin Amis, Joyce Carol Oates, Henry Miller, Arthur Miller, Graham Greene, Nadine Gordimer etc. etc, etc. Paul Sydneyside ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:46:36 -0500 From: Daniel Parker Subject: Jazz musicians... Does anyone know of any reviews of Joni's late '70's Jazzy albums by Jazz musicians of the day. Obviously the popular music scene freaked out and hated the new direction after Hejira, what about the jazz community?? Anyone?? Thanks, Danny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:53:46 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Jazz musicians... Danny, All the known reviews are on Wallys site, have you checked it out yet? ("The Written Word") I haven't read 'em all yet myself, but if I was looking, that's where I'd go... Bob M in SC NP: Television, "Shane, she wrote this" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Jazz musicians... Author: Daniel Parker at fdinet Date: 1/8/99 9:46 AM Does anyone know of any reviews of Joni's late '70's Jazzy albums by Jazz musicians of the day. Obviously the popular music scene freaked out and hated the new direction after Hejira, what about the jazz community?? Anyone?? Thanks, Danny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:12:04 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Princes new video on internet (NJC) Speaking of Prince (artist formerly known as): you can see and hear his new video COME ON at: http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/vtheater/text/main.asp?afl=rsn&ID=991&afl=none I saw it on TV a couple of weeks ago. Pretty cool to be able to see and hear it on the computer. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:31:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Dusty - NJC All you Dusty fans, I hope you saw the A&E profile on her last night. Martha Reeves and others on the show credit Dusty with the success of Motown Records and the Detroit sound. She brought the whole Motown road show to Europe in 1962, had them on her television show, and then toured with them. Along with a very young Miss Ross. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:32:49 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Profiles (NJC) 1. Name: Michael Yarbrough 2. Nickname: NOT Mike. Not anything really. 3. Hometown: Birth and childhood: Lubbock, TX; where my heart is: Chicago, IL; where my body is: Washington, DC 4. School: Cooper High School, then University of Chicago 5. Bacon bits or croutons: croutons 6. Favorite salad dressing: bleu cheese 7. What do you drink: water, gin and tonic 8. What type of deodorant do you use: some sportily-marketed thing 9. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: Nexxus, Aveda (I'm a queen for goddess' sake) 10. Favorite Colour(s): I'm partial to rich purples lately. Lots of cornflower blues in my wardrobe to match my eyes. :-) 11. One pillow or two: One, which I hug sleeping facedown (just like Elvis for Artist fans) 12. Pets: None right now, though I want a dog 13. Favorite Movie(s): _The Piano_, _Unforgiven_, _The Truman Show_, _Breakfast at Tiffany's_, _Six Degrees of Separation_, _Annie Hall_ 14. Favorite Types of Music: Gimme a beat!: HIP-HOP is my current fascination, though not as hardcore as some on the list might think. Also like indie rock, some dance, drum and bass, good country (Dolly, Emmylou). My deepest love is soul music: Marvin, Stevie and Aretha through Mary J., Lauryn and D'Angelo. And of course, always, Me'shell Ndegeocello 15. Hobbies: Collecting music and attending concerts. Beginning to write some (I'm considering an eventual supplementary career in music criticism; so shoot me.) Also a big fan of classic literature 16. Dream Car: Mazda Miata. I know it's cheesy, but I just like them. 17. Type of car you drive: Metro. As in the D.C. Metro system, not the Geo kind. 18. Word or phrase you overuse: Whatever, swear words 19. Favorite food: Ethiopian is way up there. 20. Piercings or tattoos: Used to have three ear piercings. None at the moment. 21. Do you get along with your parents: My mom and I were best friends until her death in 1989. My dad and I have amazingly become closer after the initial challenges of my coming out. 22. Favorite town to chill in: NYC!! (Though I don't think I want to live there. Hopefully all my wonderful JMDL friends will stay there a long time! :-) ) 23. Favorite ice cream: Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby 24. Favorite soda: I like Coke every once in a while but try to avoid it. 25. What's your bedtime: 12:30 a.m. 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ahem, New Balance. I'll take the non- child-labor variety please 27. Favorite cologne: Right now I wear Gucci Envy. I've also worn XS and Joop, both of which I love. My favorite women's cologne was my mother's: Shalimar by Guerlain. 28. Favorite song at the moment: Outkast, "Skew It on the Bar-B" 29. Favorite website: www.suck.com gets lotso hits from me these days. Also www.gemm.com for CD shopping 30. Favorite subject in school: English 31. Least favorite subject: Biology 32. Favorite sport to watch: men's and women's figure skating, women's basketball (Go Sheryl Swoopes!!!) 33. Craziest,silliest person I know: a friend from college named Jasmine 34. Most humiliating moment? Peeing on the floor during handbell choir rehearsal in 3rd grade. 35. Favorite holiday(s): NYC, Chicago 36. Favorite saying: If the people lead, eventually the leaders will follow. 37. Books: Dostoevsky, _Crime and Punishment_; Toni Morrison, _Beloved_, Henry James, _Portrait of a Lady_; Jane Smiley, _A Thousand Acres_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:47:50 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Heather wrote: > I often listen to "Beads of > Sweat" and wonder if any other artist has performed this song. I think > Aretha Franklin could give this song a good twirl .... what do you think? > Heather > This would also be a very becoming song for Fiona Apple IMO. Or, to get some real vocal contrast, how about Bonnie Raitt? Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:08:55 -0500 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: some more words on Prince, Grammies, and rap (NJC) My good friend Bob M. said some things in digests I'm just perusing that I can't let slip by: <<>> Not to mention cover of Joan Osborne's "One of Us," which is FAR less annoying than the original. <<<[_Crystal Ball_] also included a beautiful acoustic disc which by itself is worth the price of admission.>>> This disc (_The Truth_) made my year's top 10. It's incredible. He's mentioned Ani DiFranco as a business/political inspiration often in the past couple of years; it's clear on _The Truth_ that he's been listening to her records as well. <<>> Sorry, but the one "instrument" he's ever tried and failed at in my opinion is rapping. His flow sucks, and so do his rhymes. Comparing him to P and Puff isn't really fair, because they suck too. They may sell a lot of records, but neither critics nor the hip-hop community regard either of them as exemplars of the genre. <<>> _Car Wheels_ did get a nomination for best Contemporary Folk album, though I do agree that it deserved a nomination for Album of the Year as well. Lauryn Hill HAS to win because she sold a lot AND topped every major year-end list--_Rolling Stone_, _Spin_, _Entertainment Weekly_, _USA Today_. Now I know that these big media dudes are just part of the same hype machine, but I even saw Lauryn in the year-end best lists of on-line indie rock zines, for goddess' sake! At the very least she deserves a nomination. The Grammies are VERY slowly getting better IMO. Of the five nominees for Album of the Year, three (Lauryn, Madonna, and Garbage) actually produced quality work. That neither Celine nor the Titanic soundtrack got nominated in this category is a small miracle. They still have a way to go, but I give the Grammies credit for coming along. <<>> So you don't get rap. Guess you can relate to how your parent's generation felt during rock now. As far as I'm concerned, 75% of the hippie-shit (ohmigod did I just say that? ;-) ) that gets bandied about as the best of all time on this list is among the most nauseating stuff I've ever heard. But that's the meanest comment you'll ever hear me make about it. I try to chalk it up to my inability to understand and take solace in my Aceyalone records. - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein) Subject: JM Tribute Disc Am I alone in thinking that the Backstreet Boys would do an excellent job with "Woman of Heart and Mind"?? Luke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:36:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) "Winfried Hühn" wrote: > Heather wrote: > > > I often listen to "Beads of > > Sweat" and wonder if any other artist has performed this song. I think > > Aretha Franklin could give this song a good twirl .... what do you think? > > Heather > > > This would also be a very becoming song for Fiona Apple IMO. Or, to get > some real vocal contrast, how about Bonnie Raitt? I think Tori Amos would be perfect for this song. The cd is my favorite Laura Nyro. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 08:39:27 -0800 From: Russell Bowden Subject: How do I? Enter my personal info for jmdl discussion? Thanks, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 08:39:05 -0800 (PST) From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein) Subject: NJC: I&I and Bjork I wanted to thank everyone who offered to make me a copy of Joni's I&I. I found someone who would do it almost immediately after I posted, but thanks! And I have to defend my Bjork after Catman's harsh words. Okay, so she may not have a voice like Joni's and maybe she's not an incredible vocalist, but all you have to do is listen to the music and the arrangements of her songs to realize her genious. On her last album, "Homogenic" (her best by far), she mixed beautiful string arrangements with electronic beats and bases. I know that's been done before, but it's the way she does it that's so special. You all realize that SHE is the one who got Madonna going on her whole "techno" thing for "Ray of Light" (a good album.. but). It's true, Bjork wrote a song for Madonna's "Bedtime Story" album, much in Bjork's own style, and what do you know---Madonna's next album has a new sound much like Bjork's. And if you want to talk about packaging, check out the artwork on the cover of Bjork's albums (although she didn't do them herself). Just my thoughts... Luke ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 08:45:05 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: JM Tribute Disc >Am I alone in thinking that the Backstreet Boys would do an excellent >job with "Woman of Heart and Mind"?? > Yes. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:01:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: Joni songbooks From: Mark Domyancich >This could also become a whole new book, but several of us guitar >heads on this list and around the world would really like to see a >guitar anthology book of all the guitar songs Joni has written. That >would be really interesting! Mark (and fellow joni guitar freaks) W. Bros are currently working on a Joni anthology songbook along the lines you describe. From what I know, it will contain tunings and chord shapes for all of Joni's guitar songs. I think it will be a multi-volume set, but I've no idea when vol. 1 will be ready and out in the shops. Maybe this year? The songbook for TTT is almost complete, and should be available soon! Howard ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Just when you're thinking you've finally got it made Bad news comes knocking at your garden gate Joni Mitchell ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Penny Gibbons) Subject: Grammy Does anyone on the list know for sure TTT beat the Sept cut-off date? I knew the release was supposed to be Sept 29 but I didn't have a chance to get to a record store until the 30th and expecting it to be there the sales guy told me it had been delayed 1 to 2 weeks. Being very used to Joni not getting an album out on time, I didn't think a thing about it. In fact I was a little glad cuz I hadn't not picked up her newest on the day of it's release since HOSL.... I was glad for the reprieve to keep my track record going. I wasn't able to get a copy in my hands until the 1st week of Oct. So I guess my question is is there a chance TTT wasn't even up for nomination this year because it didn't make it to even all the big record stores on time?(I had checked at Musicland & Sam Goody) Did the rest of ya'll pick it up on or before the 30th? IMO since Joni's stuff takes some time to truly appreciate it would only make since to move the release to just past the cut-off to give it a better chance to be valued for the the wonderful work it is. How does one go about finding out if TTT was actually considered by the Grammy guys? This logic is the only way I can comprehend Joni & TTT being totally out of the Grammy loop! Penny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:32:58 -0600 From: "Scott Crane" Subject: Profiles (NJC) 1. Name: Scott Crane 2. Nickname: Only a few people call me Scotty. 3. Hometown: Birth and childhood: West Palm, Fla. Since High School: Texas (Houston) 4. School: Victoria High School, Lamar University 5. Bacon bits or croutons: croutons 6. Favorite salad dressing: old fashion Vinger/Oil 7. What do you drink: Dr. Pepper, British style Ales (micros) 8. What type of deodorant do you use: on sale stick 9. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: Panteen 10. Favorite Colour(s): green for inside the house, red for the car, blue in the sky and in sapphires 11. One pillow or two: As many as I can get to read, only one old flat one to sleep 12. Pets: two cats, one which stays outdoors 90% the time (both fixed). Could use another. 13. Favorite Movie(s): Bunches. Give ya a range: "Maltese Falcon", "Casablanca", "Good, Bad, and the Ugly", "Unforgiven", "2001", "Bladerunner", "Road Warrior", "Terminator I and II", most of the Marx Bros, Monty Python, Mel Brooks, 3 Stooges (Curly rules!), and Woody Allen. 14. Favorite Types of Music: Newer jazz, Classic R & R, JM (of course), and recently Nat King Cole and the king of all male singers: Frank Sinatra. 15. Hobbies: Car restoration (see below), woodworking, fixing up my house. 16. Dream Car: See next item... when its fully restored 17. Type of car you drive: 1964 Chevy Corvair Spyder Convertible (150HP and red, of course) 18. Word or phrase you overuse: ???? 19. Favorite food: Ethnic anything, not American... But come to think about it, I like American too. 20. Piercings or tattoos: are you kidding? No! 21. Do you get along with your parents: Yes, and my siblings too. 22. Favorite town to chill in: New Orleans and San Fan 23. Favorite ice cream: Blue Bell Coffee or Homemade Vanilla flavors. (Excellent regional ice cream) 24. Favorite soda: Dr. Pepper 25. What's your bedtime: 10:30 -11:00 p.m. 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: Adidas. 27. Favorite cologne: Halston 28. Favorite song at the moment: Frank Sinatra's "The Lady is a Tramp" 29. Favorite website: varies, but I check on ebay alot. 30. Favorite subject in school: Computers 31. Least favorite subject: Accounting 32. Favorite sport to watch: Football 33. Craziest,silliest person I know: all my friends 34. Most humiliating moment? Punching some wise ass in church when I was in Jr High. Funny, he was the nicest guy to me after that. 35. Favorite holiday(s): Christmas, Thanksgiving. 36. Favorite saying: Chinese saying: "You become the person you hate the most". That's why I have relived myself of hate, jealousy, envy, etc. They only eat you up inside and make you bitter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:09:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: NJC: White Album open tunings Wally Kairuz wrote: >don't you better aurally-endowed people [ marian, howard w, mark the >harp, for example] think that there's extensive use of open tunings on >this album? blackbird sounds like an open d to me. julia sounds very >open-tuning too, what do you say? Randy Remote wrote: >I believe the only open tuning is "Dear Prudence" - drop D. >Play Julia with capo on 2nd fret and use C as your first chord and all of >a sudden it makes sense. I've always played Blackbird in G (standard >tuning) with classical type chording but I would have to listen to the >record for any tell tale low notes to be sure. RR I think Randy's right. For the Dear Prudence tuning, take the low E down to a D and that's it. Julia is played in standard tuning - if you're interested in the tablature, take a look at : www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~haw/music/tabfiles.html Blackbird is the only one I'm not 100% sure about. It can be played in standard tuning, but there are a couple of stretches. I always play it in a different tuning - just take the A string down to a G, and that's it. The whole song is played using the open 3rd string (G) with notes on the 5th and 2nd strings, e.g for the intro try: x0x00x x2x01x x4x03x x 12 x 0 12 x Actually, now I think about it, there are one or two notes on the D and E strings, but 95% is played using just strings 5, 3 and 2. I can't think of any other tracks that also use open tunings. I don't think the Beatles got into tunings much, apart from the occasional dropped D like for Dear Prudence. Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:18:56 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: JM Tribute Disc Seconding Don on this one...the first line of the song is "I am a woman on heart and mind", written for a solo performance by a female, IMO... Bob M NP: They Might Be Giants, "The Famous Polka" ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: JM Tribute Disc Author: "Don Rowe" at fdinet Date: 1/8/99 8:45 AM >Am I alone in thinking that the Backstreet Boys would do an excellent >job with "Woman of Heart and Mind"?? > Yes. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:20:08 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Marian Unplugged again From: "Claud SansSoucie" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:58:43 -0500 Wish I could occupy your spare bedroom and listen to you! Way to go! I am very happy for you that you are getting out there and share yourself with the rest of the world. Your too much of a talent to not be our playing. Wish I could be there! I might be visiting in Germany this year - - I'll let you know when I am in the neighborhood. By the way, I am sorry that I didn't submit anything for your cookbook. I was just too overwhelmed with work to even take the time to get it all typed and sent. I had a nice idea for "real good for free tiger treats" - too bad I missed my chance. Still I wanted to thank you and acknowledge you for offering to do the work. I am sure it turned out beautiful. Are they available to purchase? Well, keep on playing and good luck with you gig. Let us know how it went. Claud Dave and Claudia SanSoucie (and Monk the Dog) email: dvsclaud@worldnet.att.net or: Scuttlefish@ovation.net tele: (717) 854-7171 Web Page: http://home.att.net/~dvsclaud ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:41:29 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: some more words on Prince, Grammies, and rap (NJC) Michael Y says: <> Yes! I knew if I sent this post I could conjure you back to the group! And when I saw that you *WERE* back, I knew your response would be forthcoming...:-D <> Not to be petty, but Eric Bazilian, ex of The Hooters, is the writer and should get his due credit - if you're going to be a writer Michael, let's credit those writers...:) I totally agree btw and use this track rather than Joan's when I play it in Sunday School. <> We can agree to disagree on rap - I tend to like more melodic stuff where you tend to gravitate toward rhythm. "You say Po-tay-to, I say Po-tah-to, let's call the whole thing off..." Or then again, maybe my flow just sucks...:~D <> I GET it, my friend, I just don't WANT it :-D I do like Erykah Badu, Arrested Development, P.M. Dawn (all hip-hop I suppose and not rap), and try to keep an open mind always. Again Michael, it's GREAT to know you're out there once more. Bob M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:07:42 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Top Albums (NJC) catman wrote: <> When asked if there are any new artists she likes, Joni named only Bjork as "an original" in a recent interview. I agree! Debut is the CD you should listen to first. Human Behaviour, Venus As A Boy, Big Time Sensuality, One Day, and Violently Happy are amazing! And the remixes are even more amazing!! Bjork's second CD, Post, is also excellent. The track Enjoy blows me away. Her third CD, Telegram, I find weak, but it's all remixes by DJs that sound NOTHING like the original songs. Bjork's latest, Homogenic, is a tough one, but after numerous listens, I find it brilliant. The woman is WAY ahead of her time! Like Joni. E.T. NP: DMB Before These Crowded Streets (which I predict will win Best Album because it should!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:48:11 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Tribute Disc In a message dated 1/8/99 11:34:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, LucasBC@webtv.net writes: << Am I alone in thinking that the Backstreet Boys would do an excellent job with "Woman of Heart and Mind"?? Luke >> Why not the Roaches or the Indigo Girls or some female group? Maybe I'm limited but I have a hard time hearing that one sung by men, or even "Boys." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:48:02 EST From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Random Rambling - fair warning As a result of the steady stream of heavy flurries falling on the streets and rooftops of NYC, the pace has slowed dramatically. Taxis are carefully weaving through pedestrians. Pedestrians are passing puddles. I'm headed home with a paper bag lunch of Tuscan bean and spinach bisque and a loaf of sour dough. Call me Popeye. Call me cold. Accumulated crown of feathering white landed on Mr. Snowman's head. Here at the home office toasty and eased, reminiscing in the warm glow of my place's color scheme. The colors are deeper and richer as a result of the defused light. Cozy and insular thought processes of the holidays with some of the JMDL group, friendships developed along the way. The tree to the ceiling is vanished, the living room seems empty. Of course, "Stay in Touch" is now playing. This album requires a good sound system. The layering is complex. Yoo hoo.... Michael Y! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein) Subject: JM Tribute Disc/Backstreet Boys I cannot believe that I even received e-mails from some of you thinking that I was serious about that group singing "Woman of Heart and Mind"!!! I don't know whether to think I was dumb in the first place for even joking about it or maybe you just don't know me well enough yet to realize I was being absolutely 100% sarcastic. Because of all of the serious suggestions for the tribute, I thought it would be a little funny if I wrote a serious-sounding joke... I never thought you would take it seriously though. I thought it would be funny, now I'm just embarrassed. It was a spur of the moment thing because I was thinking of people singing Joni's songs and how dumb it would be for some of the pre-fab groups of today to cover one of her pieces of art... maybe it was just a dumb thought and not a funny one... one that I should have left in my head. But honestly, when you think of them singing the first line of an accapella version of that song-- "I am a woman of heart and mind...", don't you want to laugh? Luke... who is sinking lower and lower into his seat because he has now become a complete moron in the eyes of the listmembers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:37:04 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Tribute Disc/Backstreet Boys In a message dated 1/8/99 3:33:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, LucasBC@webtv.net writes: << I don't know whether to think I was dumb in the first place for even joking about it or maybe you just don't know me well enough yet to realize I was being absolutely 100% sarcastic. >> Luke, 95 % of the element of sarcasm is tone of voice. Sorry, I didn't catch that in your post. Use an emoticon next time. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:21:45 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Random Rambling - fair warning Beautiful imagery laden prose, Duane. Reminds me of one of Anton Chekhov's short stories, "To Whom Shall I Tell My Sorrows," one of my all-time favorites. I can almost catch a fleeting whiff of your hearty sounding bisque! Your abode's hues sound like a page from God's color book. Reading your random rambling on this chilly Northern California afternoon warms my frost-bitten soul like listening to Joni's "Urge For Going," which I have been availing myself of obsessively and compulsively, lately. "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire" has been spinning around in my machine quite a bit too, as my moods have been mostly melancolic of late. I'm sure it's the weather working me over. That too shall pass. Gotta tell ya I was touched by your Christmas story set at the train station. Whenever I feel the supple softness of cashmere, I will think of your kindness to the man with the bike. So good to see you and Michael back on the list, although, for my part, I've been mostly a lurker lately. You guys are inspiring writers and thinkers, as are many on this wonderful list. Thanks for sharing. - -Julius np: Everything But the Girl, _Acoustic_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:50:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: some more words on Prince, Grammies, and rap (NJC) Hi Michael, Welcome back. >Lauryn Hill HAS to win because she sold a lot AND topped every major >year-end list--_Rolling Stone_, _Spin_, _Entertainment Weekly_, _USA >Today_. Now I know that these big media dudes are just part of the >same hype machine, but I even saw Lauryn in the year-end best lists >of on-line indie rock zines, for goddess' sake! At the very least she >deserves a nomination. You, Mariana and some others on the list really called it this year. One of our local zines had several of its writers name the top ten of the year and most frequently listed was Lauryn, along with Garbage, Quasi, Elliott Smith and Lucinda. A very small minority dissed Lauryn, Lucinda and Madonna scathingly, but the vote on Elliott was unanimous. I bought Lauryn based on your recommendation. I thought it was well-made and sparkling in parts but did not experience an epiphany listening to it. I did feel like she is either the long-lost child of Stevie Wonder or is channeling him on some of the songs. (I LIKE that). >So you don't get rap. Guess you can relate to how your parent's >generation felt during rock now. As far as I'm concerned, 75% of the >hippie-shit (ohmigod did I just say that? ;-) ) that gets bandied about >as the best of all time on this list is among the most nauseating stuff >I've ever heard. Which selections of the hippie-shit were unpalatable to you? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:26:34 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Joni/Jaco answer on Jeopardy Hi everyone! On today's Jeopardy, one of the answers was something like "This jazz bassist who's first name was Jaco played with Joni Mitchell," AND NO ONE KNEW THE ANSWER! (Which doesn't surprize me, btw). ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:37:22 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Bjork In a message dated 1/8/99 8:42:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, LucasBC@webtv.net writes: << Okay, so she may not have a voice like Joni's and maybe she's not an incredible vocalist, but all you have to do is listen to the music and the arrangements of her songs to realize her genious. >> i agree with you luke. bjork has a sort of quirky genius, altho she may not be everyone's cuppa joe. but i don't think you should have backed down about her voice. i think she has a terrific voice. raw and intense. i love it on human behavior. and i dig those tribal drums. haven't heard homegenic but i thought her first two albums were very singular and offbeat. she impressed me, much the same way rickie lee jones did when she burst on the scene, with a totally unique sound and style that seemed to spring from her forehead, fully formed! i find it very interesting that joni seems to perceive bjork's unique gifts. she's a keeper. (both of 'em) peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:15:06 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Joni Tribute Album I will humbly venture forth with my idea that Elvis Costello might do a good version of Shades Of Scarlet Conquering...I can hear him speak the words "a woman must have everything". Michael Stipe comes to mind also, but which song would he cover? Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:32:24 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: JM Tribute Disc/Backstreet Boys Luke wrote: I got it, Luke! My two young daughters, having grown up listening to Joni, and who are Backstreet Boys fans, would have taken you seriously, though! Personally, I would love to hear Whitney Houston cover Blue. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 00:13:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: I&I and Bjork Why is that when one says they don't like someone(and I was not harsh-I did not slage her off) someone always has to rush to their defence? Don you not realise that no matter how much you like and say it will not alter the fact that I don't? that does not mean I think your tatse is off or that mine is. It is just life. We differ in our tastes-that's it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:16:21 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: sexual voyureism Hi ya all I once read somewhere(could have even been here!) a good explanation of why we are so interested in other people's sex lives.It goes something like this. We have been evolving for many thousands of years and until recently ,relativly speaking, we have been watching others of our kind mate with out any inihibitions,as does every other animal on Earth. We are now caught between this totally natural happening and the rules and constraints of our society and wondering what to do. Michael michaelb@coolgold.com.au http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html Either we are alone in the universe ...........Or we're not............ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:31:27 -0800 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: NJC: I&I and Bjork Colin wrote> >I think by the way you phrased your comments, it was almost an inquisitive thread you posted that people have felt compelled to respond to with their opinions on the artist. In my opinion I think some of her best work was with the Sugarcubes. I loved that band. Food for thought :-) Best, Davina np: Joni...Cactus Tree....which I think would be kinda cool for Michael Stipe to cover.... "And then the time came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." -- Anais Nin - -----Original Message----- From: catman To: Luke Bierlein Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 4:27 PM Subject: Re: NJC: I&I and Bjork >Why is that when one says they don't like someone(and I was not harsh-I did >not slage her off) someone always has to rush to their defence? Don you not >realise that no matter how much you like and say it will not alter the fact >that I don't? that does not mean I think your tatse is off or that mine is. >It is just life. We differ in our tastes-that's it. > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #13 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. 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