From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #10 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 010 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tolerant gay people? Where? [Susan Chaloner ] Rickie Lee Jones story (NJC) ["Mark T. Klempner" ] Re[2]: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.c] Oh God No! A Lawrence Welk Thread?!? (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Grammy noms (NJC, unfortunately, and long) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Re[2]: Profile (njc) ["John M. Lind" ] Beatle Boots (NJC) ["Marsha" ] Re[2]: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll ["John M. Lind" ] The Search For Anastasia (NJC) [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Joni Tribute ["John M. Lind" ] Re: Beatle Boots (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Beatle Boots (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% JC) [kb420@webtv.n] Re: Profiles [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Isle of Wight Movie and FREE MULAN VIDEO [Mark Oppermann ] Re: Painting with words and music [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstei] Grammy [Wally Breese ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:52:00 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Tolerant gay people? Where? bern.gallagher wrote: > Away with these labels! is my vote, and I for one refuse to be branded, > despite the attempts to do so by my "well-meaning" gay acquaintances. > So there. Well alright Bern baby burn! Disco Inferno ;~D "...I don't know who the arsonist was..." but guuuuurl you is hot! Ooooo! I couldn't have said it as well...and I mean the whole damn thang..."Come in from the cold" darlin'! ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...I am from the sunday school I sing soprano in the upstairs choir..." and I say "...Get it while you can.." ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:57:17 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Free Willy and Free Pat Henry! > Well, ya know, Sue, Free Willy has an eight-foot long penis. Yeah, but is it wide enough? ;~D > I know you're Babe enough to handle both of them, though. Well thankyou for your vote of confidence Burn ;~) > How tall ar you? My height varies and I don't wear high heels...go figure! ;~D > B.- > Dark and bleak and god-forsaken Burn my love...does this mean you're floating back to me? We must have met in another life ;~D > Not to mention up way past my bedtime! I sincerely hope you're not sorry! ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...She roll back down to the warm soft ground Laughin...She don't know why...She don't know why Dog and Butterfly..."-Heart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:18:24 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Tolerant gay people? Where? B wrote: ...I am neither gay nor straight. This is where someone will pipe in and say, "So, you're bi?" And my answer is, "no." And then they say, "what?" and I say, "I'm me." and then they say, "You must be either gay, straight, or bi." And then I say "Why?" and they say "because." I've been accused by gays of sitting on the fence (Ouch! the fence, I mean, not the comment) and by straight people of straddling a line. I've been ostracized by lesbian friends when they founud out I was dating a man (just like Chasing Amy", except not quite so subtle.) I've even been told by gay men that I was straight, no matter what I think. I'm here to make the point that gay people can be (and, in my experience, have been) just as intolerant and prejudicial as the fundamentalist Christians I know. It doesn't matter who you fuck. Gay people have NO monopoly on tolerance. NONE. I live in Philadelphia, which has a strong gay community, and I have seen people passed over for promotions because they were straight, and I even know some gays who freely admit that they only hire gay people to work in their establishments. This is discrimination, and it happens in all communities, all walks of life, all over the world. I'm sick of gay people preaching about how tolerant gay people are. Gay people are people too, and they are not socio-angelic types. That is a myth. Also, there are gay racists, misogynists, fascists - the list goes on and on. Wouldn't it be really great if no-one cared who you slept with last night? Or the night before? Away with these labels! is my vote, and I for one refuse to be branded, despite the attempts to do so by my "well-meaning" gay acquaintances. So there. Right on, B! My feelings exactly! Why are people so obsessed with who we sleep with anyway? I hate being defined by sexual orientation. *I am human and I need to be loved just like everybody else does.* Freud concluded: "Throughout life the libido naturally oscillates between male and female." Kindsey's famous study places everyone somewhere between 1 and 5 on his scale from 0 (heterosexual) to 6 (homosexual). Some interpret this to mean that we are all really bisexual but I think it means that we are just all sexual. And what is wrong with that? Neither/Nor, E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark T. Klempner" Subject: Rickie Lee Jones story (NJC) I having trouble sleeping, so I'll think I'll share a story before I try again . . . This was told to me by a friend of mine in LA who used to date Rickie Lee Jones back in her early days. He's the writer of the song "Treat Willie Good" that Rickie Lee has been known to sing. Anyway, he told me that Rickie Lee used to do most of her grocery shopping late at night in 7-11 convenience stores. (I guess she ate a lot of junk food.) One time he went with her to get some groceries, and she quickly accumulated quite a pile, picking stuff off shelves and carrying each armload over to the counter where she would dump it down and go off for more. As she shopped, she munched on a cookie that she had picked up off one of the displays. Finally, it came time to check out, and there was this big guy working the night shift who rang up all her stuff. It came to quite a bit, like $30 or something. She paid for it, and then she and my friend began to walk out. Just then the guy yells out at her "Stop!" She turns and says, "What?" He says, "You didn't pay for that cookie!," as if she was trying to get away with something. Rickie gets really pissed, really fast. In a flash she's back at the counter and the guy--who senses he has aroused a savage beast--steps away a few feet to be at a safe distance. Rickie CLIMBS UP ONTO THE COUNTER, grabs her beret from off of her head, AND STARTS WHIPPING HIM WITH IT! All the while she's cursing, "I wasn't try'na steal your damn cookie!" The guy is like "Alright, alright." Rickie slides down off the counter, gives him a dollar bill, turns to my friend, who's standing by the door speechless, and says "Let's go." !!! . I think this is a hilarious story, but maybe you have to have lived in LA. OK--good night. Mark K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:05:56 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > > Claire wrote: > > <> > > ...... *sigh* > > And thanks to the repeated mentionings of this group, I picked up on > "Christmas & The Beads of Sweat" which I received yesterday - a truly > breathtakingly beautiful record - and surprised to see Duane Allman > credited with guitar on it! > > Bob M Then Mark wrote: I agree witcha on that, and I hesitated picking up on it at first because I didn't care for "Eli & the 13th Confession" when I first got it (many moons ago) but I loved "Nested" - CATBOS reminds me more of Nested, such lush piano, I especially love her "Nyrozation" of "Up On the Roof", just like when JT recorded it and made it his own; the sign of a great artist & great song coming together... Bob NP: The Sundays, "Static & Silence", more lush pretty stuff... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:36:54 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Oh God No! A Lawrence Welk Thread?!? (NJC) Marilyn writes: Boy, does this bring back some memories! My sister and I used to watch Lawrence Welk, turn the volume down, and sing Rock & Roll songs to the singing heads on the screen - what a hoot! And we were 'singin real good for free'...my favorite was when Jan (my sis) would sing Janis Joplin songs when the "Champagne Lady" was on. And talk about Racism 101...the only black on the show was the poor Step 'n Fetchit guy who'd come out and do all that tapdancing with the waving arms and all that, and the camera would always cut to the audience (100% old white folks) clapping as if to say "Look at that colored boy go"... Of course, I also made the transition from Lawrence and his accordion polkas to Joni, thank God! Bob M NP: Supertramp, "Crime of the Century" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:21:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Grammy noms (NJC, unfortunately, and long) For those interested. No Joni, No Rufus:( 1999 Grammy Nominations Here is the list of Grammy nominees for the rock, alternative, metal, pop, R&B, and rap categories. For the rest of the 95 categories, check out www.grammy.com. Record of the Year "The Boy Is Mine" Brandy & Monica Dallas Austin, Brandy, and Rodney Jerkins, producers Leslie Brathwalte, Ben Garrison, Rodney Jerkins, and Dexter Simmons, engineers/mixers "My Heart Will Go On" Celine Dion Walter Afanasieff and James Horner, producers Humberto Gatica and David Gleeson, engineers/mixers "Iris" Goo Goo Dolls Rob Cavallo and Goo Goo Dolls, producers Jack Joseph Puig and Allen Sides, engineers/mixers "Ray of Light" Madonna Madonna and William Orbit, producers Pat McCarthy, engineer/mixer "You're Still the One" Shania Twain Robert John "Mutt" Lange, producer Jeff Balding and Mike Shipley, engineers/mixers Album of the Year The Globe Sessions Sheryl Crow Sheryl Crow, producer Tchad Blake, Trina Shoemaker, and Andy Wallace, engineers/mixers Version 2.0 Garbage Garbage, producers Billy Bush, engineer/mixer The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill Lauryn Hill Lauryn Hill, producer Comissioner Gordon, Matt Howe, Storm Jefferson, Ken Johnston, Tony Prendatt, Warren Riker, Chris Theis, and Johnny Wyndrx, engineers/mixers Ray of Light Madonna Marius De Vries, Patrick Leonard, Madonna, and William Orbit, producers Jon Englesby, Pat McCarthy, and David Reitzas, engineers/mixers Come On Over Shania Twain Robert John "Mutt" Lange, producer Jeff Balding and Mike Shipley, engineers/mixers Song of the Year "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" Aerosmith Diane Warren, songwriter "Iris" Goo Goo Dolls John Rzeznik, songwriter "Lean on Me" Kirk Franklin with Mary J. Blige, R. Kelly, Bono, Crystal Lewis & the Family Kirk Franklin, songwriter "My Heart Will Go On" Celine Dion James Horner & Will Jennings, songwriters "You're Still the One" Shania Twain Robert John "Mutt" Lange and Shania Twain, songwriters Best New Artist Backstreet Boys Andrea Bocelli Dixie Chicks Lauryn Hill Natalie Imbruglia Best Female Pop Vocal Performance "My Favorite Mistake" Sheryl Crow "My Heart Will Go On" Celine Dion "Can't Take My Eyes Off of You" Lauryn Hill "Torn" Natalie Imbruglia "Adia" Sarah McLachlan Best Male Pop Vocal Performance "Save Tonight" Eagle-Eye Cherry "My Father's Eyes" Eric Clapton "Anytime" Brian McKnight "Lullaby" Shawn Mullins "You Were Meant for Me" Sting Best Pop Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" Aerosmith "One Week" Barenaked Ladies "Iris" Goo Goo Dolls "Crush" Dave Matthews Band "Jump Jive An' Wail" The Brian Setzer Orchestra Best Pop Collaboration with Vocals "How Come, How Long" Babyface with Stevie Wonder "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine" Jackson Browne & Bonnie Raitt "I Still Have That Other Girl" Elvis Costello & Burt Bacharach "I'm Your Angel" R. Kelly & Celine Dion "Shenandoah" Van Morrison & the Chieftains Best Pop Instrumental Performance "The X-Files Theme" The Dust Brothers "Big Country" Bela Fleck and the Flecktones "My Heart Will Go On (Love Theme From Titanic)" Kenny G "Follow Me" Pat Metheny Group "Sleepwalk" The Brian Setzer Orchestra Best Dance Recording "When Will You Learn" Boy George "Around the World" Daft Punk "Heaven's What I Feel" Gloria Estefan "Disco Inferno" Cyndi Lauper "Ray of Light" Madonna Best Female Rock Vocal Performance "Raspberry Swirl" Tori Amos "There Goes the Neighborhood" Sheryl Crow "Glass House" Ani DiFranco "Uninvited" Alanis Morissette "Can't Let Go" Lucinda Williams Best Male Rock Vocal Performance "Everybody Here Wants You" Jeff Buckley "Almost Saturday Night" John Fogerty "Have a Little Faith in Me" John Hiatt "Fly Away" Lenny Kravitz "Your Life Is Now" John Mellencamp Best Rock Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal "Pink" Aerosmith "The Way" Fastball "Celebrity Skin" Hole "Bitter Sweet Symphony" The Verve "Heroes" The Wallflowers Best Hard Rock Performance "Psycho Circus" Kiss "The Dope Show" Marilyn Manson "Fuel" Metallica "Most High" Jimmy Page & Robert Plant "Do the Evolution" Pearl Jam Best Metal Performance "Bullet Train" Judas Priest "Better Than You" Metallica "Fried Chicken and Coffee" Nashville Pussy "No Shelter" Rage Against the Machine "Du Hast" Rammstein Best Rock Instrumental Performance "El Distorto De Melodica" Everclear "The Roots of Confidence" Pat Metheny Group "Take California" Propellerheads "A Train of Angels" Joe Satriani "Trouble Is... " Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band "The Ironic Twist" Jimmie Vaughan Best Rock Song "Bitter Sweet Symphony" Richard Ashcroft, Mick Jagger & Keith Richards, songwriters (The Verve) "Celebrity Skin" Billy Corgan, Eric Erlandson & Courtney Love, songwriters (Hole) "Closing Time" Dan Wilson, songwriter (Semisonic) "Have a Little Faith in Me" John Hiatt, songwriter (John Hiatt) "Uninvited" Alanis Morissette, songwriter (Alanis Morissette) Best Rock Album The Globe Sessions Sheryl Crow Sheryl Crow, producer; Tchad Blake & Trina Shoemaker, engineers/mixers Premonition John Fogerty John Fogerty & Elliot Scheiner, producers; John Fogerty & Elliot Scheiner, engineers/mixers Version 2.0 Garbage Garbage, producers; Billy Bush, engineer/mixer Celebrity Skin Hole Michael Beinhorn, producer; Tom Lord-Alge & Paul Northfield, engineers/mixers Before These Crowded Streets Dave Matthews Band Steve Lillywhite, producer; Steve Harris & Steve Lillywhite, engineers/mixers Best Alternative Music Performance From the Choirgirl Hotel Tori Amos Hello Nasty Beastie Boys Is This Desire? PJ Harvey Airbag/How Am I Driving? Radiohead Adore The Smashing Pumpkins Best Female R&B Vocal Performance "Are You That Somebody?" Aaliyah "Tyrone" Erykah Badu "A Rose Is Still a Rose" Aretha Franklin "Doo Wop (That Thing)" Lauryn Hill "I Get Lonely" Janet Jackson Best Male R&B Vocal Performance "Matrimony: Maybe You" Maxwell "The Only One for Me" Brian McKnight "My Way" Usher "I Know" Luther Vandross "St. Louis Blues" Stevie Wonder Best R&B Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal "The Boy Is Mine" Brandy & Monica "Lean on Me" Kirk Franklin With Mary J. Blige, R. Kelly, Bono, Crystal Lewis & The Family "Nothing Even Matters" Lauryn Hill & D'Angelo "All My Life" K-Ci & JoJo "Stay" The Temptations Best R&B Song "All My Life" Rory Bennett & JoJo Hailey, songwriters (K-Ci & JoJo) "The Boy Is Mine" Brandy, Lashawn Daniels, Fred Jerkins III, Rodney Jerkins & Japhe Tejeda, songwriters (Brandy & Monica) "Doo Wop (That Thing)" Lauryn Hill, songwriter (Lauryn Hill) "Lean on Me" Kirk Franklin, songwriter (Kirk Franklin With Mary J. Blige, R. Kelly, Bono, Crystal Lewis & The Family) "A Rose Is Still a Rose" Lauryn Hill, songwriter (Aretha Franklin) Best R&B Album Live Erykah Badu Erykah Badu & Norman "Keys" Hurt, producers; Norman "Keys" Hurt, Gordon Mack & Kenny Ortiz, engineers/mixers Never Say Never Brandy Rodney Jerkins, producer; Brad Gilderman & Rodney Jerkins, engineers/mixers A Rose Is Still a Rose Aretha Franklin The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill Lauryn Hill Lauryn Hill, producer; Comissioner Gordon & Tony Prendatt, engineers/mixers Embrya Maxwell Musze, producer; Musze & Mike Pela, engineers/mixers Best Traditional R&B Vocal Performance "Believe In Me" Regina Belle "Live! One Night Only" Patti LaBelle "To Make Me Who I Am" Aaron Neville "Phoenix Rising" The Temptations "I Know" Luther Vandross Best Rap Solo Performance "Dangerous" Busta Rhymes "Lost Ones" Lauryn Hill "Hard Knock Life" Jay-Z "Gone Till November" Wyclef Jean "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" Will Smith Best Rap Performance By A Duo Or Group "Intergalactic" Beastie Boys "Money Ain't a Thang" Jermaine Dupri Featuring Jay-Z "Deja Vu (Uptown Baby)" Lord Tariq & Peter Gunz "Rosa Parks" OutKast "Ghetto Supastar" Pras Michel teaturing Ol' Dirty Bastard And Mya Best Rap Album Capital Punishment Big Punisher Life In 1472 -- The Original Soundtrack Jermaine Dupri Jermaine Dupri, producer Vol. 2...Hard Knock Life Jay-Z Joe Quinde, engineer/mixer Harlem World Mase Stephen Dent, engineer/mixer The Love Movement A Tribe Called Quest The Ummah, producer; David Kennedy & The Ummah, engineers/mixers Best Pop Album Pilgrim Eric Clapton Eric Clapton & Simon Climie, producers; Alan Douglas & Mick Guzauski, engineers/mixers Let's Talk About Love Celine Dion Humberto Gatica, engineer/mixer Left of the Middle Natalie Imbruglia Ray of Light Madonna Madonna & William Orbit, producers; Jon Englesby, Pat McCarthy & David Reitzas, engineers/mixers The Dirty Boogie The Brian Setzer Orchestra Producer Of The Year, Non-Classical Michael Beinhorn Tchad Blake Rob Cavallo Sheryl Crow Lauryn Hill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:39:57 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Profile (njc) Well dang, if EVERYONE has to do one of these...Here's WAY more than any of you want to know about me... 1. Name: Robert Alan Muller 2. Nicknames: Bob, Bert, Bobito 3. Original Hometown: Detroit, MI but I moved so much as a kid I don't feel like I had a "hometown" 4. School: Sanderson HS, Raleigh NC, class of '75, NC State, Bus. Mgmt BA 5. Bacon bits or croutons: I won't put 'em in but I won't pick 'em out either 6. Favorite salad dressing: Was my Mom's homemade Thousand Island but she's gone 10 years now so I guess it's Ken's Steak House Ranch with Bacon 7. What do you drink: Coffee, water, Budweiser on the weekends 8. What type of deodorant do you use: Gilette Clear Stick 9. Favorite shampoo: Suave Shampoo in a drum 10. Favorite Color(s): Green, but I'm told that Red is my color 11. One pillow or two: 1 but I have to deal with all the extra pillows, throw pillows, shams, etc. that my wife has put on the bed... 12. Pets: 2 cats, Jackson & Piper 13. Favorite Movie(s): Lots, Midnight Cowboy & American Graffiti are 2 that come to mind + John Waters movies, a guilty pleasure 14. Favorite Types of Music: 60's Power Pop/Garage Band stuff, Broadway tunes, of course Rock and Roll, Jazz trios, Big Band (Just put Glenn Miller's "In the Mood" on at a party and watch it jump!), 60's & 70's soul music (but not the pure 'disco' stuff) 15. Hobbies: Volunteering in the Public Schools, reading, tennis 16. Dream Car: One that's paid for, dependable and has a kickass stereo 17. Type of car you drive: My 1990 Mitsubishi Galant which meets the above criteria except I need some new speakers 18. Word or phrase you overuse: Scam, as in "What's the scam with this project?" 19. Favorite food: Pizza, Italian 20. Piercings or tattoos: Nope 21. Do you get along with your parents: I always did - I think my teen rebellion phase lasted about a day. My Mom's dead now but she was definitely a saint. My Dad and I get along but the monster he married makes it difficult for us to see each other... 22. Favorite town to chill in: Pawley's Island, South Carolina - hopefully the site for a Jonifest as the beach house sleeps about 25! 23. Favorite ice cream: I LOVE ice cream, and I have discovered THE BEST! It's Mayfield's "Banana Pudding" - do not try this unless you're prepared to give up all other flavors of ice cream... 24. Favorite soda: Cream Soda, Vernor's Ginger Ale (makes your nose burn) 25. What's your bedtime: 11 pm 26: Nike, Reebok, or Adidas: Whatever's on sale at the Shoe Carnival, since the REAL shoe money is spent on my 12-year old son ;~D 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: Whatever it was that this girl Marie Hiott I went to school with used to wear, it absolutely used to drive me insane with passionate desire... 28. Favorite song at the moment: What's Her Name Today, Elvis & Burt, although Hejira is my all-time fave song, at least until someone writes a better one 29. Favorite website: The Joni Coms,Spumco, XTC sites 30. Favorite subject in school: English, Journalism, Anthropology in college 31. Least favorite subject: Economic Theory, Business Law 32. Favorite sport to watch: I like going to an ocassional baseball game but other than that I always feel like watching sports is such a tremendous waste of time when you can look at the paper the next day and see who won... 33. Craziest or silliest person you know: My younger sister is tremendously creative and funny and plys her craft at ComedySportz in Chapel Hill 34. Most humiliating moment: Well, this isn't THE MOST, but it's one I can tell - I had just got my driver's license, was making out with a girl in the car and when I took her home the POLICE were waiting - it seems like we'd been out a little TOO long...(This is the SHORTEST version of this story I've ever told) 35. Favorite holiday(s): Any that give me a day off of work... Bob M NP: Matthew Sweet, 100% Fun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:46:27 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (NJC) Sorry Ashara and Marsha, I like you both but I have to agree with Marilyn: > I say we BURN 'EM!!!! > I used to cash in my tooth fairy money for Beatles 45's. Later when my younger sister was loosing her teeth, I would draw pictures of teeth and cut them out and place them under my pillow. I figured as long as the tooth fairy was in the house, she or he would check out my room as well. I own them all. jody-(aka sister music slut) NP: Mollie O'Brian, "Big Red Sun" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:01:10 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Tolerant gay people? Where? Happy New Year, everyone! Bernadette wrote: > I'm here to make the point that gay people can be (and, in my > experience, have been) just as intolerant and prejudicial as > the fundamentalist Christians I know. That's true, Bern. Recently I was out with a mix of friends at a men's bar in San Antonio. My friend David, 25 and recently out, was amazed to hear me tell a story of being warned many years ago to stay out of a particular men's bar in Phoenix because I "could get hurt" there. Physically hurt, as the men who frequented that bar were known to have little tolerance for women, lesbians included. David had to ask several of the older gay men in our party if such a thing could be true, and he was assured it could be. David is still amazed. I grew up in an very prejudiced family with no tolerance for anyone of African, Italian, or Slavic decent, or Catholics, or gays. When my brother Billy became ill from AIDS complications, love won out and some of the intolerance toward gays subsided, but the rest of it is just about the same. My little brother Kenny likes to see my reaction when he tells me he wants to join WAR, and I hope he's kidding and just poking fun because the idea makes me sick. At the age of 11, I had my first real crush on a girl. One day I made this statement to another friend: "I hate Catholics." She informed me that my crush was Catholic, and for what now seems like weeks I walked around in a daze, pondering this. Of course, I didn't know why I thought I hated Catholics, other than that my parents had said it was the thing to do. So it was at this point that I learned that my parents were perhaps not right about everything. From then on, I began very hard to fight against my family in order to establish my own beliefs. In all honesty, sometimes I find myself low on tolerance, too ... although mostly it's toward ignorant people, or toward people who seem smart but then act like they don't have a brain in their head. As for sexuality labels, a couple of years ago I read an interview in The Advocate in which Sarah McLachlan (I'm sure I've misspelled her last name; I always do) proclaimed her "omni-sexuality." If one feels the need for a label, that one sounds a lot more reasonable to me. I, too, am always wondering why people are so concerned with what I'm doing in my bedroom. Sexuality is certainly interesting, but IMHO, I've always thought that people who are sitting around imagining and worrying about what others are doing in bed are the ones who are truly sick. Oops, there goes my own intolerance showing again! I hereby modify my statement to say that "some" gay people were put upon this earth to Teach Tolerance by example. Or maybe I can only speak for myself. Or maybe it's all just total crap, and there's no hope for anything or anyone. Feeling a bit cynical this morning, Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:04:55 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: (NJC) Too Much Mail! I came home from a long weekend to a huge list of mail, most of which I deleted because there's just too much else going on with me. So if anyone from this wonderful list sent anything to my personal attention, previous to 1/5, and I have not responded, please accept my apology and send it again ... Hope everyone had a happy and joyous New Year celebration! Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:17:58 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: Profile (njc) OK, what the hell: 1. Name: John McDowell Lind 2. Nicknames: Moose, Griz, Sasquatch, Brother John. 3. Original Hometown: Memphis, TN. 4. School: Publics: Stafford, VA.; Durand, MI. College: Memphis College of Art 5. Bacon bits or croutons: and cheese and hard boiled eggs and mushrooms and... 6. Favorite salad dressing: Honey Mustard. 7. What do you drink: water, tea, OJ, Tequila(with Coke chaser). 8. What type of deodorant do you use: Unscented clear gel. 9. Favorite shampoo: whatever's in the shower. 10. Favorite Color(s): Emerald Green, Yellow Ochre, Pthalo Blue. 11. One pillow or two: 2 - one against the wall one under my head("L" shape). 12. Pets: My Griffin "Cleatus". 13. Favorite Movie(s): The Philadelphia Story, The Dark Crystal, Bladerunner, All Star Wars, Being There, Winnie The Pooh. 14. Favorite Types of Music: Prog, Jazz, Oh hell, you name it I probably like it. 15. Hobbies: Painting, Drawing, Music, Juggling 16. Dream Car: My old '71 Mercedes restored (unfortunatley sold for scrap two years ago). 17. Type of car you drive: Mitsubishi. 18. Word or phrase you overuse: "What?". 19. Favorite food: Oriental, Latin, Itallian. 20. Piercings or tattoos: none. 21. Do you get along with your parents: Mother-deceased, but yes, Step Father-yes, Birth Father-no. 22. Favorite town to chill in: Amsterdam, The Netherlands; New Orleans, LA; Asheville, NC. 23. Favorite ice cream: Mayfield Moose Tracks. 24. Favorite soda: Birch Beer. 25. What's your bedtime: S-T 10:30ish, F&S when I drop. 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: Rockports 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: None, but I do like Desert Patchouli incense. 28. Favorite song at the moment: Cakewalk Into Town - Taj Mahal. 29. Favorite website: The Joni Coms, NFTE, CAYLX, Starwars.com. 30. Favorite subject in school: Art. 31. Least favorite subject: Math(Gee, I see a trend here). 32. Favorite sport to watch: Championship speed figernail chewing 33. Craziest or silliest person you know: Silliest: me, Craziest: My mother-in-law(I'm not kidding!). 35. Favorite holiday(s): Summer Solstice, My Birthday, Halloween. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:30:42 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Profile (njc) At 11:27 AM 1/6/99 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >OK, what the hell: > >1. Name: John McDowell Lind >2. Nicknames: Moose, Griz, Sasquatch, Brother John. > Don't forget "Hairfarmer"... > Why of course, how could I? John~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:25:32 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Beatle Boots (NJC) Lighting her blow torch, Ms. Jody sez: >Sorry Ashara and Marsha, I like you both but I have to agree with >Marilyn: > >> I say we BURN 'EM!!!! >> >I used to cash in my tooth fairy money for Beatles 45's. Later when my >younger sister was loosing her teeth, I would draw pictures of teeth >and cut them out and place them under my pillow. I figured as long as >the tooth fairy was in the house, she or he would check out my room as >well. > >I own them all. I just realized why I boycotted Beatle albums. My folks would not buy me Beatle boots for my 4th grade fashion statement in 1964, so I was not cool... Marsha, never got into the "who's the cutest Beatle debate" either (thank god I invented ASSbestos suits for the internet here :-D ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:28:06 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re[2]: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll Bob wrote: >Boy, I must be some kind of music SLUT!! I've got 'em ALL!! Bob, Bob, Bob. "Slut" is such an ugly word. We prefer the new 'PC' version "Non-discriminatior" John~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:41:09 -0600 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: Grammy Joni in 2000? I skimmed a complete list of Grammy nominees yesterday, and did not see Joni's name anywhere on it. If my conclusion that she wasn't nominated for any 1999 Grammy award for TTT is incorrect, please set me right. I'd be delighted to be wrong! But if it's correct, does anyone know whether she could be nominated for that project *next* year? I seem to remember that TI was released in the fall of 1994, but that Joni won her two Grammys for it in 1996. What's the cut-off release date for nominations? TTT was released on September 29, 1998, as I'm sure everyone on this list is well aware!! ;-) My apologies if this question has already been asked and answered. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:50:31 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: The Search For Anastasia (NJC) Howdy friends... I've been out of the action for a bit...hope to catch up on these here digests very soon, and get back in the rhythm and swing o' things...:) Is there still an Anastasia on the list? Anastasia - I think you were the one who gave me the info on Rush and Yes to pass on to my son John (screen names RedSectorJ/AnalogDEW). He said he met Rush/Yes fans named Matt and Anastasia at the Borders in Thousand Oaks the other day, and I thought, "That's *got* to be the same ones!" Really small world, eh? Drop me an e-line sometime... Sorry for the personal note, y'all...but thanks for the space...:) All the love, Susan Colleen Crawford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:06:37 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Joni Tribute Wally wrote: >>snip<< >Since I know that many of you have posted just such a list of singers >and songs, so I want to invite anyone who'd like to participate and >offer some suggestions for match-ups for the tribute album. You never >know, your suggestion just might come to pass! Joni herself has asked >for The Rolling Stones to cover "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire," and >Julie is presently trying to hook up with the Dust Brothers to record >a track which she'll then submit to Mick Jagger for his approval. No problem! First off there's the whole list of tunes I think Tom Waits would be great for resubmited for your approval: Cactus Tree For Free The Last Time I Saw Richard Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire Free Man In Paris Edith & The Kingpin Furry Sings The Blues Otis & Marlene God Must Be A Boogie Man The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Moon At The Window Ethiopia The Crazy Cries Of Love Then there's also: "Furry..."- Taj Mahal "Both Sides, Now"- Ray Charles "River" or "Blue" Bette Midler "...I'm A Radio"- Nanci Griffith and/or Lyle Lovett "Car On A Hill" or "Shadows & Light"- Manhattan Transfer "The Jungle Line" or "Lakota"- The Neville Brothers "Man From Mars"- Tuck & Patti "Blue Motel Room"- Koko Taylor "Slouching..."- King Crimson "Amelia"- CSN "Nothing Can Be Done" or "Dreamland"- Gloria Estefan "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines"- The Brian Setzer Orchestra "All I Want"- Santana "Wild Things Run Fast"- Van Halen And these were suggestions from friends of mine: Don Henley- "Barangrill" Danny Elfman (he could Boingo-ize)- "Jungle Line" James Taylor- "Ladies of the Canyon" John Gorka- "Free Man in Paris" Tori Amos- "For Free" Bruce Hornsby- "Banquet" Paula Cole- "Black Crow" John~ NP "Love Is A Battlefield" Pat Benatar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:30:41 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Beatle Boots (NJC) In a message dated 1/6/99 12:29:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, docnurse@voy.net writes: << Marsha, never got into the "who's the cutest Beatle debate" either >> Paul, hands down. Terry, who's bedroom in 64 was plastered with Paul/Beatles pictures. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:09:37 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Beatle Boots (NJC) In a message dated 1/6/99 1:35:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << < Marsha, never got into the "who's the cutest Beatle debate" either >> Paul, hands down. Terry, who's bedroom in 64 was plastered with Paul/Beatles pictures. >> I think even those who believe John was the most talented will concede Paul was the cutest. But then cute is cute, and nothing more. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:52:43 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% JC) << Les wrote: ><1) Hejira (18 votes) >2) Blue (8 votes) >3) For The Roses (6 votes) >4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes) >4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes) >6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes) >7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes) >7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 >votes) >7) Bob Dylan "Blood on the Tracks" (3 >votes) >7) Court and Spark (3 votes) >7) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (3 >votes) >Does anyone NOT have all these >already?? >> I have all of them except for Astral Weeks. Not much of a VM fan. Don't have anything by him except for Last Waltz. gdave Now Dubbing for the 5th time: Joni Mitchell Club 47, Cambridge, MA. 1/68 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:26:25 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Profiles 1. Name: Dave T. 2. Nickname: gr8fuldave 4. School: SUNY Alfred 5. Bacon bits or croutons: croutons 6. Favorite salad dressing: Vinegrette 7. What do you drink: Scotch & water, beer 8. What type of deodorant do you use: Baking soda & corn starch 50/50 9. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: Anything 10. Favorite Color(s): Blue 11. One pillow or two: Two 12. Pets: My 2 Brittanys, Dewey & Maggie 13. Favorite Movie(s): Marx Brothers       14. Favorite Types of Music: Joni, Grateful Dead, Allmans, Jeffersons, Feat, ect. 15. Hobbies: Tape collecting/trading 16. Dream Car: Lincoln: fully loaded 17. Type of car you drive: Acura Integra 18. Word or phrase you overuse: Yes, dear. 19. Favorite food: pasta, rice 20. Piercings or tattoos: none 21. Do you get along with your parents: yes 22. Favorite town to chill in: San Fransico 23. Favorite ice cream: Mannings 24. Favorite soda: Never drink it 25. What's your bedtime: 8AM 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: Never wear sneakers 27. Favorite cologne: None 28. Favorite song at the moment: Impossible to decide 29. Favorite website: Too many to list 30. Favorite subject in school: English 31. Least favorite subject: Gym 32. Favorite sport to watch: Football 35. Favorite holiday(s): Jerry Days Aug. 1-9 36. Favorite saying: "Light 'em up" gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:27:47 -0600 From: Mark Oppermann Subject: Isle of Wight Movie and FREE MULAN VIDEO Another freebie...........really good for those of us with kids. Go to: http://www.bigstar.com/ Order any video for $15 and get MULAN video free (except for the $3.93 shipping charge). They offer the Isle of Wight Festival video (with Joni's performance) for $16.98 and shipping (some of us have to pay tax) The DVD is a little $$ more but not a bad price. So you can now own the Isle of Wight Festival video or Joni's Come In From The Cold laser disc (that's offered too) to add to our ever growing Joni stuff collection.................... and get the children's MULAN video for just the price of shipping. Must order online with charge card. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:49:37 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Les's Top Picks: Some Joni Content What's THAT supposed to mean? At 10:29 AM -0500 1/6/99, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Note to ginny pig and Mariana and Mark Dom.: I'm refering to italian > seasonings.... for the spaghetti sauce.... No, really. Mark NP-Neil Young-Out on the Weekend ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Delury Subject: Painting with words and music Hi everybody, I've been away for awhile (I just moved from Chicago out to Seattle (and just in time)). Anyway, what's the news on the video release of Joni's ppv special? The website says the "concert will soon be available for sale on home video." I went to my local video store, Scarecrow, which has everything, and they didn't know about the video. Anyone know the scoop? Good to be back. I've missed the Joni-listas. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:21:35 -0800 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: Painting with words and music Michael wrote: Anyway, what's the news on the video release of Joni's ppv special? The website says the "concert will soon be available for sale on home video." I ordered a copy through Music Boulevard or CDNow, can't remember which....anyway I received a notice a few weeks ago that it's still on backorder without a new shipping date from the manufacturer. I'm frustrated too! :::Phyliss I'm ready to resort to other measures to view this special, but trying to be patient::::: >}:-/> npimh: Stevie Nicks Bella Donna - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Delury To: Mark or Travis Cc: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com ; joni@smoe.org ; MmeDido@aol.com Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:25 PM Subject: Painting with words and music >Hi everybody, >I've been away for awhile (I just moved from Chicago out to Seattle (and >just in time)). Anyway, what's the news on the video release of Joni's >ppv special? The website says the "concert will soon be available for >sale on home video." I went to my local video store, Scarecrow, which has >everything, and they didn't know about the video. Anyone know the scoop? > >Good to be back. I've missed the Joni-listas. > >Michael > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 99 14:06:18 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Grammy Hi everyone, Joni received not even one Grammy nomination for her wonderful album Taming The Tiger, her track on Kyle Eastwood's first album, or her work on Herbie Hancock's #1 Jazz Album Gershwin's World. Here's some of my complaints- Nominated for Best Pop Album, which Joni won two years ago for Turbulent Indigo, is Natalie Imbruglia's debut album Left Of The Middle, which in my opinion is totally lacking in good songs. Okay, maybe "Torn" is a catchy track and it was a big hit, but Natalie didn't write that one. The songs on her album that she did write are banal, sophmoric and truly boring. Well-produced? Yes. But still boring. And for Herbie's Gershwin's World, Stevie Wonder, who has won perhaps 25 Grammys already in his career, was nominated for his vocal performance on the track "St. Louis Blues," but Joni's critically acclaimed performances on "The Man I Love" and "Summertime" were ignored by the Grammy committee. Yes, the album itself got a nomination for Best Jazz Instrumental Performance, but this award (according to my reading of the rules listed below) goes only to the artists who performed on the instrumental tracks- Best Jazz Instrumental Performance, Individual or Group For Albums only. For solo artists, duos or groups, instrumental only. Compilation albums by various artists are not eligible. Native Sense - The New Duets Chick Corea & Gary Burton [Stretch Records] Night And The City Charlie Haden & Kenny Barron [Verve Records] Gershwin's World Herbie Hancock [Verve Records] Points Of View Dave Holland Quintet [ECM Records] Tokyo '96 Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock & Jack DeJohnette [ECM Records] Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #10 ************************* There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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