From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #7 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 5 1999 Volume 04 : Number 007 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Congress' What? ["CraziAP" ] Fado Music (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: (NJC) Bette (was R&R Hall of...) ["John M. Lind" ] Re: Behind the Music [Jerry Notaro ] Profile NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Congress' What? ["M & C Urbanski" ] charmin... ["P. Henry" ] Re: charmin... [Drewdix@aol.com] Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) [Ashara] Re: Favorite writers & my profile (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Profile (njc) ["Don Rowe" ] Re[2]: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.c] Re: Grammys & the JM tribute album [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Congress' What? (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: "Come In From The Cold" [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] RE: "Come In From The Cold" ["Wally Kairuz" ] Profile NJC -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] NJC / Re: Congress' morality play [Don Sloan ] Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) ["Marsh] Grammys [Wally Breese ] Re: Results of ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Grammys ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) [Brian ] Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) [Ashara] Re: Profile (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) [IVPAUL] Re: NJC:profiles [MTDS ] Re[2]: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni [Bob.Muller@f] joni and male singers ["paul tyrer" ] Fwd: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play [Drewdix@aol.com] Re: NJC:profiles [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re[2]: NJC:profiles [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Grammys & the JM tribute album ["Marsha" ] Re: Grammys [Janet Hess ] Re: Songs that make me cry (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: Songs that make me cry (NJC) [Jerry Notaro Subject: Congress' What? Hello Y'all, As this is my inagaural address, please bear with me. I've been viewing the posts for several days now, and being amazed at the variety, I decided to stay out for a while. And now I'm in, and i have to weigh in my views on this whole politics thing. Having lived most of my adolescent and adult life Inside the Beltway, I sometimes forget that not everyone is a political junkie. But let me tell you, I am so sick of this whole matter. As sick as I am, though, I think it's important that we stay focused and see this thing through. I'm not happy about it, though. Wow, look at all the opinions. Off the bat, I classify myself as a liberal to moderate Dem, but pidgeonholing is not my strong point. So, let's sound off. Indeed, it is surprising that we have seen the rise of the religious right the last few years, and after the Republican Revolution of '94 I was afraid of it. Then I remembered something: We've always been a religious nation. By comparision, we are one of the most religious nations in the world. We were founded on the bedrock of religious tolerance, on Puritan values and ethics, on Quaker compassion. We have "In God We Trust" on our money. We live in "One nation, under God.." Not a day goes by in our country that God is not an integral part of the workings of our government. By comparision, the French must see us as religious nutcases. In all honesty, it was religion that founded this country, and the Fathers knew that a true separation of church and state cannot exist. All they were going for was no state religion. And let's be fair, if the Christian, or Religious, Right wants to have a voice in politics, the have the right to one. After all, we liberals have a right to voice our "religion" of a Great Society. Not that I'm excluding Christians from being Dems. But I think that the power of the Religious Right, at least the visible trappings, is on the wane. Notice how many of their candidates were defeated, especially in the South, and how many other Republicans distanced themselves from them last election. As for the impeachment: I was a big Clinton supporter. I knew, like we all did, that he had an affair with Miss L. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Hell, I even vocally supported him. And then he says "Sorry, I lied." It doesn't sit well with me, nor should it with anyone. He's been a great President. But let's face it, he screwed up. Do I think he should be removed from office? I'm glad I'm not a Senator. I'd be torn. I don't think the affair is a high crime or misdeamenor. But I feel very strongly that perjury is, regardless of the circumstance. And whether or not I think he perjured himself, the House has decided he did. And on that, if I were a Senator, even though I'd be torn, I may have to vote against him. I don't believe this is all a right wing conspiracy. These are people, not automations. They have to vote their conscience, if they have one, or their meal ticket if they don't. I personally know several Reps, on both sides, who really agonized about this. And I know the Sens are too. Politics today is dirty, sadly. And there is partisanship: on both sides. I applaude the Dems who crossed the line and voted for the articles of impeachment. They voted their true beliefs. But the Democratic and Republican parties tend to punish their members when they vote outside party lines. Do I think that's wrong, yes. Can I change it? Not alone. But there is a newer breed of politicians that believes in the primacy of conscience, and I'm gald for it. We need it. One other interesting note, that was sort of touched on: We don't live in a democracy. We live in a democratic republic. What this means is that we elect people to represent us. That person is not owned by us or controlled by us, which is the current thinking. We elect them to do what is in our best interest, AS THEY SEE IT. They shouldn't vote yes or no because the public thinks they should. The public, or majority, is often wrong. If it weren't for people voting their conscience, I wouldn't be able to voice my opinion here. Why? Because I'm Irish, I'm Catholic until the 1940s, Irish Catholics were excluded from most white collar professions, public education, and society in general. I'd be struggling in a dead-end manual labor job, trying make ends meet, instead of being able to be here at the University of Wisconsin, studying and planning towards a doctorate degree. Well, I just thought I'd contribute. : ) Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:25:09 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Fado Music (NJC) Gina wrote: >I am Portuguese born and partly bred and I >am proud to have this incredibly passionate music build right into my genetic >make-up ! I wonder if Winifried has heard of Dulce Pontes. > I would love to hear from Winifried about how she was exposed to >Fado. I still know much too little about Fado music, as I've discovered it very recently, only a few months ago. What caught my attention was a TV-broadcast live concert of Maria Joao and composer/pianist Manuel Laginha. Maria is not a pure Fado singer, rather she mixes Fado with Jazz and also a bit of African influences. She's very popular here in Germany -- her quite frequent concerts are always sold out, and she also holds jazz singing workshops for young vocalists. There also was a TV interview in which she explained in detail the significance of Fado for herself, but also for Portugal as a whole. I don't know if it was triggered by her, but there have been a number of radio programs here recently featuring Fado music. Unfortunately, I didn't tape them, and so I don't remember the names of the featured artists. Quite a shame, because they also translated some of the poems into German. I took down the names you mentioned -- always appreciative of more suggestions! I guess I like powerful music that conveys emotions -- through the melody and/or the lyrics. That's what Joni Mitchell is about, and that's also what Fado is about. Like with Blues music, it doesn't really matter that it's mostly melancholic. As long as it's authentic and you feel there's personality behind it. That's also why I don't like techno music - -- most of it sounds as if it was produced in a Volkswagen car production line... Shall I take a guess at what you guys are playing at the moment: JM -- Come in from the cold ? :-) Take care and drive carefully! Winfried PS: FYI, "Winfried" is the German equivalent for "Winfred", therefore a male's name... (it has happened before...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 08:05:09 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: (NJC) Bette (was R&R Hall of...) At 02:58 PM 1/4/99 -0800, Mark in Seattle wrote: >I made a special point of watching it. It was good but I was a little >disappointed that they sort of skipped over some of the latter part of >her career. 'For the Boys' was a project that meant a lot to Bette. It >didn't do well at the box office which was a disappointment for her. Well it's also sort of a sore subject as Martha Rae(sp?) sued over the film and won I beleive. I can't recall if she sued Bette, or the screen writer or the studio, possible all of them,. It was basically a bio of her that she was never consulted on or asked permmision from to do. >>snip<< >Now they just need to wise up and do one on JONI! Absolutely! Look at some of the ones they've gone out of their way to make that were completley unneccasary, oh I don't know...Molty Crue maybe?? John~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 08:29:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Behind the Music Luke Bierlein wrote: > I caught Bette's "Behind the Music" and loved it. And they had just > shown "Stella" on USA network TV earlier that day! Am I the only one > who loves that movie?? They didn't mention it in the BtM either, did > they? They showed a snip from the movie during a voice-over, but no sound. Even a hard core fan such as myself put ut up there with Jinxed. > > > Oh, and would Joni even want to do that sort of special or is it VH1 who > hasn't proposed the idea to her? It would take a tremendous amount of permissions, something Joni is not accustomed to doing. Jerry np: Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto #2 - Gary Graffman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:02:05 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Profile NJC 1. Name: Gerald Notaro 2. Nicknames:---- Jerry 3. Hometown:-----Buffalo, NY 4. School: ---- B.A., Canisius College, M.L.S. SUNY Buffalo, post grad, University of South Florida 5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- crouton, fat free 6. Favorite salad dressing:----- blue cheese 7. What do you drink:----- coffee, Miller Lite 8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- whatever, I'm not fussy 9. Favorite shampoo: ---- Herbal Essence 10. Favorite Color(s):---- Blue 11. One pillow or two: ----- 2 12. Pets: ---- 2 miniature longhair dachshunds 13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- Thieves, Fargo, Mommie Dearest, Imitation of Life, Funny Girl, Blue Velvet, Elephant Man, Miracle Worker 14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Female singer songwriters 15. Hobbies: -----darts, movies, singing 16. Dream Car: --- I finally own mine 17. Type of car you drive: --- Acura CL 18. Word or phrase you overuse: It was PACKED! Right, Mary. 19. Favorite food: ----- Thai 20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- 2 piercings in left ear 21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- very well 22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- NYC 23. Favorite ice cream: ----please, I'm dieting. Rocky Road when I'm not 24. Favorite soda: ---- Diet Coke 25. What's your bedtime: ---- 2 a.m. 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ----doesn't matter 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Claiborne, Halston Z-14, Chaz 28. Favorite song at the moment: ----Time After Time 29. Favorite website: ---- JMDL.Com 30. Favorite subject in school: ---English 31. Least favorite subject: --- Math 32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- skating 33. Craziest or silliest person you know: Jimmy Pushies 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Christmas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:17:17 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Congress' What? - ---------- > From: CraziAP > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Congress' What? > Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 5:24 AM > > Hello Y'all, > > As this is my inagaural address, please bear with me. As for the impeachment: I was a big Clinton supporter. > But I feel very strongly > that perjury is, regardless of the circumstance. And whether or not I think > he perjured himself, the House has decided he did. And on that, if I were a > Senator, even though I'd be torn, I may have to vote against him. I don't > believe this is all a right wing conspiracy. > > One other interesting note, that was sort of touched on: We don't live in a > democracy. We live in a democratic republic. What this means is that we > elect people to represent us. That person is not owned by us or controlled > by us, which is the current thinking. We elect them to do what is in our > best interest, AS THEY SEE IT. They shouldn't vote yes or no because the > public thinks they should. The public, or majority, is often wrong. > Well, I just thought I'd contribute. : ) > Alan Alan I enjoyed reading your post & I agree. Welcome Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:12:42 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: charmin... ric wrote: "the ultra conservative wing that so clearly controls the republican party and is driving this impeachment process" ...?!? ...mmmm, I thought the President of the United States LYING with impunity to the grand jury and to the American people had something to do with it! ...*and* if anyone "does not feel they have to answer to the american people (or anyone else)" and has rendered "the constitution itself... just a pretty piece of paper, and in the end, no more important than a roll of charmin." it is Bill Clinton! attempting to sidestep the risk of also falling into the rhetoric trap, described so well by kakki, I have seen Jerry Falwell's self-righteous infomercial campaign as far back as '92 and I honestly felt like: "come on!"... but then, there were valid questions about whether Clinton was telling, or could even identify, the truth back then and even before, and it kinda made me wonder, 'if I can tell he's a liar, can't others?'... but the thing that really gets me now is that it doesn't really matter anymore whether one is liberal or conservative, left, right, Christian, Bhuddist, pagan, atheist or Jew, if you are an American, this is your country and this is your president and it is nothing less than pure, stick-your-head-in-the-sand escapism to try to blame the "ultra conservative wing" for Clinton's perjury, just as it was to blame "the radical left" for the sins of Nixon, and I really don't think it's going to help things improve for you, along with so many others to ignore reality that way, in fact, I would say that we may well be witnessing the last days of this country if you all, regardless of political or religious bent, don't get your heads out of..... the sand! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:54:43 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: Re: charmin... well, I'll weigh in on this too, because Pat's fallen for it as well. They've got him. Everyboy has lied about their sex life. Admit it. But Clinton lied to a "Grand Jury" (and that itself is debatable). Shocking. Impeachable. Well, Hyde and Livingston and all the other Republican hypocrites lied to their godamned wives and families with impunity. Where does that rank? It makes me laugh. - --DD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:10:16 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) At the risk of being burned at the stake, I must admit that even though I have hundreds and hundreds of CD's and vinyls, except for the Joni stuff, I don't own even "one" of the others. Hugs?, Ashara In a message dated 1/4/99, 2:39:19 PM, les@jmdl.com writes: <<1) Hejira (18 votes) 2) Blue (8 votes) 3) For The Roses (6 votes) 4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes) 4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes) 6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes) 7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes) 7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 votes) 7) Bob Dylan "Blood on the Tracks" (3 votes) 7) Court and Spark (3 votes) 7) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (3 votes) Does anyone NOT have all these already?? Les >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:21:18 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Favorite writers & my profile (NJC) Janet wrote: I'd love to hear what other Jonifolk read. Janet, at one point we had a tag along with "NP" (Now Playing) which was "NR" for now reading. After a couple of false starts with books I started and lost interest with, I'm breezing through my first purchase from Amazon.com, a biography of the band from Swindon, England, XTC. I've always loved these guys and this book breaks down every song they put out, every album they put out, interviews about each album, tons of fascinating stuff. Neville Farmer is the author. Hopefully Stacy's "Joni Companion" will be a similar format. Bob M NP: Style Council, "Waiting" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 07:22:50 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Profile (njc) Well, here goes ... 1. Name: Donald G. Rowe 2. Nicknames: King Gremlin, Don "F**k'in" Rowe 3. Hometown: Dallas, TX 4. School: B.A., Swarthmore College, Philadelphia PA 5. Bacon bits or croutons: Ceasar Salad: croutons, Spinach Salad: bacon bits 6. Favorite salad dressing: Greek lemon vinaigrette 7. What do you drink: Whatever's closest 8. What type of deodorant do you use: Speedstick 9. Favorite shampoo: Paul Mitchell 10. Favorite Color(s): Black, purple 11. One pillow or two: 1 12. Pets: 1 seal point + 1 lilac point Siamese 13. Favorite Movie(s): Three Days of the Condor, Bladerunner, Barfly, A Man For All Seasons, Star Wars Trilogy, Field of Dreams 14. Favorite Types of Music: Singer/songwriters, jazz, Broadway musicals, classical for nostalgia 15. Hobbies: songwriting, home recording 16. Dream Car: Ferrari Daytona 17. Type of car you drive: Chevy Cavalier 18. Word or phrase you overuse: "No doubt" 19. Favorite food: Provencal 20. Piercings or tattoos: No, but I have a cool bullet-wound scar 21. Do you get along with your parents: Beautifully 22. Favorite town to chill in: Natchez, MS 23. Favorite ice cream: Cherry Garcia (today) 24. Favorite soda: Coke and Dr Pepper 25. What's your bedtime: 10:30-11:00 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: Reebok 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: Escada, Tuscany 28. Favorite song at the moment: "Hey That's Me", an original I just finished recently. 29. Favorite website: jonimitchell.com, theonion.com, NYTimes on the Web 30. Favorite subject in school: English 31. Least favorite subject: Statistics 32. Favorite sport to watch: NFL 33. Craziest or silliest person you know: Julie, my wife 35. Favorite holiday(s): Sadie Hawkins Day ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:25:55 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Claire wrote: <> ...... *sigh* And thanks to the repeated mentionings of this group, I picked up on "Christmas & The Beads of Sweat" which I received yesterday - a truly breathtakingly beautiful record - and surprised to see Duane Allman credited with guitar on it! Bob M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:30:49 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Grammys & the JM tribute album Wally the Supreme Webmaster wrote: Our conversation will become a part of the homepage sometime in the next couple of months. Wally, I'll look forward to it - I just got around to reading the Tom Rush interview this weekend, if you guys haven't read it yet you owe it to yourselves to do so, nice pictures, lots of Joni content, great interview...when do we get part II? And even though The Grammys make me grimace (how's THAT for alliteration), I'm pulling for Joni in every category!! Bob M. NP: The Subdudes "Primitive Streak" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:36:01 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Congress' What? (NJC) Alan wrote: Hello Y'all, As this is my inagaural address, please bear with me. Alan, great post, welcome to the list! You get a free pass THIS time, but remember for the sake of those who don't or can't read everything and just want Joni posts (I'm NOT one of them) to label a post with "No Joni Content" with the appropriate "NJC" in the subject header. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:42:40 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: "Come In From The Cold" Winfried wrote: Shall I take a guess at what you guys are playing at the moment: JM -- Come in from the cold ? :-) Winfried, LOL! I wasn't going to post this since I didn't think anyone would believe it, but I re-stocked my 10-CD changer for my car last night with NRH in it, and the player in a "Random" setting. On my way to work this morning, the second tune to crank up was...yep, you guessed it, and I laughed then too! Synchronicity strikes again! And praise God, our power at home was restored last night about 6 - it took two hours for our thermostat to make the climb from 38 to 62...and I said a prayer for the folks who don't have option of warm shelter... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:19:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: "Come In From The Cold" you won't believe this, but last [southern hemisphere] winter, the power went out for two days in my town, and the temperature in my house remained at a constant 25F for the duration. there was nowhere to come in from the cold TO! wallyk, who'll take winter anyday to 110F temps ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 08:53:16 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Profile NJC -Reply This seems like a pleasant enough diversion in between dealing with the auditors: 1. Name: Mary Grace Valentinsson 2. Nicknames:---- MG "Hey Maaaaaaaaaa!" 3. Hometown:-----metro NYC area, (aka Belleville, New Jersey), currently living in Davis, CA 4. School: ---- Nazareth College of Rochester 5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- unless I made them, I'll pass 6. Favorite salad dressing:----- whatever I make 7. What do you drink:----- water, weak coffee, peppermint tea 8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- whatever Signe has bought 9. Favorite shampoo: ---- see above, (she's still wondering why it goes so fast!) 10. Favorite Color(s):---- black and white to wear, sunny yellow for rooms 11. One pillow or two: ----- usually 1 12. Pets: ---- Joey the parakeet just bit the dust, (I've told my kids to be very suspicious of any fried chicken nuggest I try to serve them in the next week), so I'm off the hook. 13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- Annie Hall, The Princess Bride, The Best Years of Our Lives. 14. Favorite Types of Music: --- mostly anything as long as I can clearly hear it. 15. Hobbies: ---- reading, napping, procrastinating 16. Dream Car: --- horse 17. Type of car you drive: --- Volvo 18. Word or phrase you overuse:- "Jesus, Mary and Joseph!" "fuhgeddaboutit" 19. Favorite food: ----- Thai, simple classics, (bistro and the like) 20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- pierced ears 21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- 3,000 miles makes a world of difference 22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- ideally: Paris, realistically: San Francisco 23. Favorite ice cream: ----Breyers butter almond or Breyers vanilla 24. Favorite soda: ---- as a rule, I don't drink pop 25. What's your bedtime: ---- 8:30 - 9:30 PM 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ---- whatever was on sale 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Body Shop oil 28. Favorite song at the moment: ----everything on Joan Baez's "Diamonds and Rust." 29. Favorite website: --- www.luddites-r-us.com 30. Favorite subject in school: ---English, history, psychology 31. Least favorite subject: --- Accounting 32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- Baseball! 33. Most humiliating moment: ---- so many humliations, so little time 34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: probably me, I've been told that a million times and have a fine appreciation and love for the absurd 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- beach stuff 36. Favorite books: anything about S. Plath, anything by H. Wouk, The Razor's Edge, anything by Mary Gordon - the list goes on and on... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 08:55:45 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play On Jan 4, Drewdix@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-01-04 19:10:34 EST, you (donbvs@lightspeed) write: > > << We have spent trillions > of dollars on so-called *social* issues (e.g. NEA) in the last 30+ > years, and what do we have to show for it? And why should someone be > forced to support an artist if they do not appreciate her/his work? > Should people be forced to buy Joni albums even if they don't like them? >> > > Well, heck, I always wondered if I should be forced to support the B-1 bomber > if i didn't like it (and I don't). The government didn't ask me about that. > I don't think I have to say that you as a taxpayer fund our defense budget an > exponentially greater amount than all arts programs (like NEA) put together. > The ratio is pathetic. Perhaps my point is strengthened. Note I did not defend big defense spending :-). Note I did not say the arts were not a worthy investment. Note I did not say people with means should not generously help those in need. I simply do not think it is the role of govt to support art et al. I do not think it right to force people to support art or things in general against their will. (In some circles, that's called robbery.) Why can't you and I support art on our own? In some small way I do; you probably do too. But maybe we and others would and could do more if we didn't work five months out of the year to pay taxes. In general, I don't like or trust govt, especially the one in washington. It's a waste and a joke (democrats and republicans). But it's a necessary evil. We'd all be better off if those dolts were there doing "the work of the people" for maybe three months out of the year and had to work for a living the other nine. Think about it. Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:27:46 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) Ashara wrote: >At the risk of being burned at the stake, I must admit that even though I have >hundreds and hundreds of CD's and vinyls, except for the Joni stuff, I don't >own even "one" of the others. > >Hugs?, >Ashara HAHAHA! I'll hug you Ashara and throw you one of my asbestos suits to don along with me. With the exception of *everything* of Joni's and Steely Dan (hi Mark!), I own not one of those Mr. Irvin thinks is in every collection. I was waiting for the brave one you are to throw this out. I'm hopping on your wagon! Marsha, who never bought a Beatle album in my life (kill me now, Terry...) >In a message dated 1/4/99, 2:39:19 PM, les@jmdl.com writes: ><<1) Hejira (18 votes) >2) Blue (8 votes) >3) For The Roses (6 votes) >4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes) >4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes) >6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes) >7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes) >7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 votes) >7) Bob Dylan "Blood on the Tracks" (3 votes) >7) Court and Spark (3 votes) >7) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (3 votes) > >Does anyone NOT have all these already?? >Les >>> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 99 09:36:23 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Grammys I hate the Grammys!!!!!!! Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:41:53 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Results of I'll be happy to throw my hat in the ring on this one. Got lots of Steely Dan of vinyl, but not "Aja". Only ones on Les' "must have" list are: >><<1) Hejira (18 votes) >>2) Blue (8 votes) >>3) For The Roses (6 votes) >>7) Court and Spark (3 votes) >>7) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (3 votes) Of course, there are probably a great number on my "must have" list that nobody's got but me ... c'est la vie! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:48:45 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Grammys Oh I don't know ... Grammy has been doing me a world of good for years. Think of all the money I've saved avoiding the nominated albums. Their categorization of obsequious genres has cut miles of walking around record stores. And "Best New Artist" has been a blessed 'kiss of death' for any number of MOR and 1HW acts ... ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:22:43 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) First, Les wrote: > <1) Hejira (18 votes) > >2) Blue (8 votes) > >3) For The Roses (6 votes) > >4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes) > >4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes) > >6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes) > >7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes) > >7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 votes) > >7) Bob Dylan "Blood on the Tracks" (3 votes) > >7) Court and Spark (3 votes) > >7) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (3 votes) > > > >Does anyone NOT have all these already?? Then Ashara wrote: > >At the risk of being burned at the stake, I must admit that even though I have > >hundreds and hundreds of CD's and vinyls, except for the Joni stuff, I don't > >own even "one" of the others. And Marsha added: > HAHAHA! I'll hug you Ashara and throw you one of my > asbestos suits to don along with me. With the exception > of *everything* of Joni's and Steely Dan (hi Mark!), I own not > one of those Mr. Irvin thinks is in every collection. > I was waiting for the brave one you are to throw this out. > I'm hopping on your wagon! > > Marsha, who never bought a Beatle album in my life > (kill me now, Terry...) And now it's MY turn: Other than a very old homemade cassette copy of Aja and a vinyl lp of Blood on the Tracks, I only have the Joni albums on the list. And multiple copies, too. Like Marsha, I have never bought a Beatles Album, either. Brian np: The computer guys on NPR === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:38:38 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) Attention all wagons: Start your engines. Wheeeeee!!!! Full speed ahead!!!!! In a message dated 1/5/99 12:29:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, docnurse@voy.net writes: << HAHAHA! I'll hug you Ashara and throw you one of my asbestos suits to don along with me. With the exception of *everything* of Joni's and Steely Dan (hi Mark!), I own not one of those Mr. Irvin thinks is in every collection. I was waiting for the brave one you are to throw this out. I'm hopping on your wagon! >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:35:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Profile (njc) 1. Name: Kathryn Bridget 2. Nicknames: Kakki, Katreena, Kathy, Katrinka, Kat, K.B. 3. Original Hometown: Westwood, CA (Go Bruins!) 4. School: private, parochial & public; Arizona State and UCLA (Go Bruins!) 5. Bacon bits or croutons: and fresh ground pepper 6. Favorite salad dressing: Roquefort 7. What do you drink: Regular tea, gin martinis, red wine, diet coke 8. What type of deodorant do you use: Clinique 9. Favorite shampoo: Pantene 10. Favorite Color(s): Lavender, aquamarine, rose, red 11. One pillow or two: 2 - down-filled only 12. Pets: 1 tabby cat 13. Favorite Movie(s): Bladerunner, all Hitchcock, ones that make me cry 14. Favorite Types of Music: Singer/songwriters, so-called 60s psychedelica, Brazilian 15. Hobbies: songwriting, painting, traveling 16. Dream Car: Vintage Mercedes Benz sports car 17. Type of car you drive: Nissan 18. Word or phrase you overuse: same as colin's when angry, "Great!" the rest of the time 19. Favorite food: Mexican 20. Piercings or tattoos: Pierced ears 21. Do you get along with your parents: Yes 22. Favorite town to chill in: Rosarito Beach, Mexico; San Francisco, CA; Friday Harbor, San Juan Island, WA 23. Favorite ice cream: Chocolate Fudge Brownie 24. Favorite soda: Diet Coke 25. What's your bedtime: 2 a.m. 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: Sandals 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: Opium, Ysatis, Patchouli 28. Favorite song at the moment: Save The Country (live) Laura Nyro 29. Favorite website: The Joni Coms, Ebay 30. Favorite subject in school: Art, English, Music 31. Least favorite subject: Officially diagnosed as Math-phobic at a young age. There is no cure. 32. Favorite sport to watch: Baseball, tennis 33. Craziest or silliest person you know: Me and all my closest friends 35. Favorite holiday(s): Christmas, Fourth of July, Halloween Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:47:53 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) In a message dated 1/5/99 1:27:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: << First, Les wrote: > <1) Hejira (18 votes) > >2) Blue (8 votes) > >3) For The Roses (6 votes) > >4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes) > >4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes) > >6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes) > >7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes) > >7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 votes) > >7) Bob Dylan "Blood on the Tracks" (3 votes) > >7) Court and Spark (3 votes) > >7) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (3 votes) > > > >Does anyone NOT have all these already?? Then Ashara wrote: > >At the risk of being burned at the stake, I must admit that even though I have > >hundreds and hundreds of CD's and vinyls, except for the Joni stuff, I don't > >own even "one" of the others. And Marsha added: > HAHAHA! I'll hug you Ashara and throw you one of my > asbestos suits to don along with me. With the exception > of *everything* of Joni's and Steely Dan (hi Mark!), I own not > one of those Mr. Irvin thinks is in every collection. > I was waiting for the brave one you are to throw this out. > I'm hopping on your wagon! > > Marsha, who never bought a Beatle album in my life > (kill me now, Terry...) And now it's MY turn: Other than a very old homemade cassette copy of Aja and a vinyl lp of Blood on the Tracks, I only have the Joni albums on the list. And multiple copies, too. Like Marsha, I have never bought a Beatles Album, either. Brian >> Well, I own them all, on both vinyl and CD and have had them all on vinyl at least for 20 years. There isn't a bad one in the bunch, though my personal preferance is for "Moondance" over "Astral Weeks" and "Revolver" and "Rubber Soul" over "Abbey Road" and "The White Album," though all of those Beatles albums are fantastic. I am astonished. I used to think all three of you had such good taste. Now we will have to throw you all to the wolves and see if you taste good. Or maybe instead of the Spanish Inquisition or burning you at the stake, we should first throw you all in the water and see if you float, because we all know that witches are made of wood, and so like ducks they float! Paul Ivice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:46:48 -0800 From: MTDS Subject: Re: NJC:profiles At 04:33 PM 1/4/99 +0000, you wrote: >Maybe you'd like to join in: > Joining In: > >1. Name: Michelle Anders-Traylor > 2. Nicknames:---- Sundown Lady > 3. Hometown:-----Los Angeles > 4. School: ---- Lots > 5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- croutons > 6. Favorite salad dressing:----- Ceaser > 7. What do you drink:----- Water/ V8 > 8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- Sure > 9. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: ---- Nexus > 10. Favorite Color(s):---- Blue > 11. One pillow or two: ----- 1 > 12. Pets: ---- dogs > 13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- Apocalypse Now, The Crying Game, Cinema Paradiso > 14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Everything except C&W > 15. Hobbies: ----- Music, learning to play guitar > 16. Dream Car: --- Porsche 911 > 17. Type of car you drive: --- Volvo > 18. Word or phrase you overuse: - fuck > 19. Favorite food: ----- Turkey > 20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- 2 ear piercings > 21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- Yes > 22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Horseshoe Bay, Bermuda > 23. Favorite ice cream: ---- Strawberry > 24. Favorite soda: ---- Coke > 25. What's your bedtime: ---- between 5 and 6 a.m. > 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ---- None > 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Narcissus Oil > 28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- Shiggy Wiggy - Bootsy Collins > 29. Favorite website: ---- sundownlady.com > 30. Favorite subject in school: --- History > 31. Least favorite subject: --- Science > 32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- Tennis > 33. Most humiliating moment: ---- A pair of clogs and a rotating wheel barrel > 34. Kraziest person or silliest person you know: Me ! :) > 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Bermuda =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SunDown Lady's Isle of Tranquility Featured Artists: The Divas and The BassMan http://www.sundownlady.com/flink15.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:51:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni Boy, I must be some kind of music SLUT!! I've got 'em ALL!! Bob ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni con Author: Brian Gross at fdinet Date: 1/5/99 10:22 AM First, Les wrote: > <1) Hejira (18 votes) > >2) Blue (8 votes) > >3) For The Roses (6 votes) > >4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes) > >4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes) > >6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes) > >7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes) > >7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 votes) > >7) Bob Dylan "Blood on the Tracks" (3 votes) > >7) Court and Spark (3 votes) > >7) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (3 votes) > > > >Does anyone NOT have all these already?? Then Ashara wrote: > >At the risk of being burned at the stake, I must admit that even though I have > >hundreds and hundreds of CD's and vinyls, except for the Joni stuff, I don't > >own even "one" of the others. And Marsha added: > HAHAHA! I'll hug you Ashara and throw you one of my > asbestos suits to don along with me. With the exception > of *everything* of Joni's and Steely Dan (hi Mark!), I own not > one of those Mr. Irvin thinks is in every collection. > I was waiting for the brave one you are to throw this out. > I'm hopping on your wagon! > > Marsha, who never bought a Beatle album in my life > (kill me now, Terry...) And now it's MY turn: Other than a very old homemade cassette copy of Aja and a vinyl lp of Blood on the Tracks, I only have the Joni albums on the list. And multiple copies, too. Like Marsha, I have never bought a Beatles Album, either. Brian np: The computer guys on NPR === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:54:58 -0000 From: "paul tyrer" Subject: joni and male singers > >Hi wally > >My first thought was Elvis Costello. His voice on the recent LP with = >Bacharach has practically the same vibrato as Joni's circa NRH and he = >can really emote. He'd be great doing The Last time I Saw Richard - = >maybe with an arrangement by BB?? > >Or what about Morrissey? he'd be great covering river! > james taylor too would be good. >Paul XX > >---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:53:57 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: Fwd: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_915562438_boundary Content-ID: <0_915562438@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_915562438_boundary Content-ID: <0_915562438@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Drewdix@aol.com Return-path: To: donbvs@lightspeed.net Subject: Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:53:19 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-01-05 11:58:43 EST, you write: << Perhaps my point is strengthened. >> I think a better choice of words would have been: "perhaps my point needs strengthening"- which you did! I can't piece together your philosophy based on trying to guess what you DIDN'T say or express. If I could do that, I'd take it on the road! - --DD - --part0_915562438_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:03:23 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC:profiles In a message dated 1/5/99 1:53:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtds@netcom.com writes: << 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Bermuda >> I must have missed that one. What day is it observed/celebrated? Do we get the day off from work and school? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:24:32 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: NJC:profiles ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: NJC:profiles Author: IVPAUL42@aol.com at fdinet Date: 1/5/99 2:03 PM In a message dated 1/5/99 1:53:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtds@netcom.com writes: << 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Bermuda >> Then Paul wrote: I must have missed that one. What day is it observed/celebrated? Do we get the day off from work and school? Paul I Paul, you missed the memo on this one - here in South Carolina we celebrate "Bermuda Day" on June 10, we wear Bermuda Shorts, sunglasses, drink out of glasses with umbrellas in them and sing Jimmy Buffett "Bermuda Carols"...;~D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:50:31 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Grammys & the JM tribute album > Since I know that many of you have posted just >such a list of singers and songs, so I want to invite anyone who'd like >to participate and offer some suggestions for match-ups for the tribute >album. You never know, your suggestion just might come to pass! Joni >herself has asked for The Rolling Stones to cover "Cold Blue Steel & >Sweet Fire," and Julie is presently trying to hook up with the Dust >Brothers to record a track which she'll then submit to Mick Jagger for >his approval. E-mail your singer/song suggestions to me at: >(wallyb@pacbell.net). Thanks! I would love to hear Bruce Cockburn do "The Three Great Stimulants": perfect for his voice and philosophy. Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:06:05 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Grammys I can understand that. Omitting TTT from the package nominations is nutzo. But I found one bright spot among the nominations, to wit: Best Jazz Instrumental Performance, Individual or Group For Albums only. For solo artists, duos or groups, instrumental only. Compilation albums by various artists are not eligible. Native Sense - The New Duets Chick Corea & Gary Burton [Stretch Records] Night And The City Charlie Haden & Kenny Barron [Verve Records] Gershwin's World Herbie Hancock [Verve Records] Points Of View Dave Holland Quintet [ECM Records] Tokyo '96 Keith Jarrett, Gary Peacock & Jack DeJohnette [ECM Records] Would be nice for Gershwin's World to take it, no? Cheerz, Janet At 09:36 AM 1/5/99 -0700, Wally wrote: >I hate the Grammys!!!!!!! > >Later, >Wally Breese >The Joni Mitchell Homepage >http://www.JoniMitchell.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:55:29 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry (NJC) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:27:24 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Is it just me, or are fellow Listees also in approval that female singers seem more capable (adroit?) of instantly locating the heart of a heartbreak, pain and loss in a song? My list seems to confirm that: 1. Apron Strings - Everything But The Girl Everything Tracey Thorn sings is full of heartbreak that seems to companionably put one back to one's piece. 2. Blue Skies - Andrea Marcovicci An Irving Berlin song that is optimistic but always manages to sound wistful and sad. 3. The Moon Is Made of Gold - Rickee Lee Jones Can't quite get over this one-of-a-kind performance from a woman who may not wow a lot of people with that waif-ish voice, but can instantly make people believe in the songs she sings. 4. Don't Worry `Bout Me - Billie Holiday The simplicity and the matter-of-factness of Lady Day's voice made it even more tragic. 5. More Than I Can Bear - Julia Fordham With just a voice and guitar, she traces the pain of a woman who was imagining what it feels for a guy to make love to another woman in their bed and using her own housedress. Very painful and always makes one misty-eyed. 6. Dirty Hands, Dirty Face - Judy Garland No contest. This woman can sing anything with just her voice and make one aware of the pain. Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:36:48 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry (NJC) Bounced Message wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:27:24 +0800 (CST) > From: Joseph Palis > > Is it just me, or are fellow Listees also in approval that female singers > seem more capable (adroit?) of instantly > locating the heart of a heartbreak, pain and loss in a song? It is also true that we are conditioned to be more sympathetic to the female voice. That may have something to do with it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:35:11 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) Well, I'll jump in with you guys except that I don't have For the Roses, Aja (I used to), White Album, Abbey Road (used to), Blonde On Blonde, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. So sorry, Les but that's what you get for ASSuming. >>> Brian Gross 01/06 4:22 am >>> First, Les wrote: > <1) Hejira (18 votes) > >2) Blue (8 votes) > >3) For The Roses (6 votes) > >4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes) > >4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes) > >6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes) > >7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes) > >7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 votes) > >7) Bob Dylan "Blood on the Tracks" (3 votes) > >7) Court and Spark (3 votes) > >7) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (3 votes) > > > >Does anyone NOT have all these already?? Then Ashara wrote: > >At the risk of being burned at the stake, I must admit that even though I have > >hundreds and hundreds of CD's and vinyls, except for the Joni stuff, I don't > >own even "one" of the others. And Marsha added: > HAHAHA! I'll hug you Ashara and throw you one of my > asbestos suits to don along with me. With the exception > of *everything* of Joni's and Steely Dan (hi Mark!), I own not > one of those Mr. Irvin thinks is in every collection. > I was waiting for the brave one you are to throw this out. > I'm hopping on your wagon! > > Marsha, who never bought a Beatle album in my life > (kill me now, Terry...) And now it's MY turn: Other than a very old homemade cassette copy of Aja and a vinyl lp of Blood on the Tracks, I only have the Joni albums on the list. And multiple copies, too. Like Marsha, I have never bought a Beatles Album, either. Brian np: The computer guys on NPR === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #7 ************************ There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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