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RE: Congress's morality play / Angry in the U.S.A. (NJC) [Mary Pitassi ]
Re: NJC Congress' morality play/Angry in the USA ["Kakki" ]
NJC Profile [Ginamu@aol.com]
Re: Behind the Music [luvart@snet.net]
anti...? ["P. Henry" ]
Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play [Drewdix@aol.com]
Fw: Profile NJC ["Janis" ]
NJC: Profile ["Happy The Man" ]
NJC-My profile [Mark Domyancich ]
RE: JMDL Digest V4 #5 [Bounced Message ]
NJC, possibly uninteresting tie-in to an old thread involving P. Henry [B]
Queer Confession - NJC Actually, a tiny particle of JC [Bounced Message <]
Favorite writers & my profile (NJC) [Janet Hess ]
Re: Magdalene Laundries [Randy Remote ]
Re: JMDL Digest V4 #5 [Mark or Travis ]
Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play ["Kakki" ]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [MmeDido@aol.com]
Grammys & the JM tribute album [Wally Breese ]
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:26:33 -0800
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) -Reply
Well, I don't have but now I have the darn title track, "Aja" running
through my head. Thanks SO much!
> 4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes)
> 4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes)
> 6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes)
> 7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes)
> 7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 votes)
MG
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:30:59 -0800 (PST)
From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)
Subject: Magdalene Laundries
I missed the 60-Minute story, but am interested in hearing about the
Magdalene Laundries. I had never heard of it before Joni's song and
didn't know the song was true. Is it? Could someone please enlighten
me? I think the song is incredibly haunting and would be interested in
hearing the story behind it.
Thanks!
Luke.. who just recieved "For the Roses" and the limited "Night Ride
Home" in the mail
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:33:52 -0800 (PST)
From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)
Subject: Behind the Music
I caught Bette's "Behind the Music" and loved it. And they had just
shown "Stella" on USA network TV earlier that day! Am I the only one
who loves that movie?? They didn't mention it in the BtM either, did
they?
Oh, and would Joni even want to do that sort of special or is it VH1 who
hasn't proposed the idea to her?
Thanks for listening!
Luke
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:31:44 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Re: NJC:profiles
1. Name: Marian Rulewski
2. Nickname: Red Baron / Walter Spanghero
3. Hometown: Sydney ,Australia
4. School: St. Augustine's
5. Bacon bits or croutons: Bacon
6. Favourite salad dressing: none
7. What do you drink: Pepsi
8. What type of deodorant do you use: Gillette Pacific Light
9. Favourite shampoo or conditioner: Neways -
10. Favourite Color(s): Blue
11. One pillow or two: 1 used to be 2 'til I wrecked my neck
12. Pets: None
13. Favourite Movie(s): Being There, Old movies, Star Wars
14. Favourite Types of Music: Joni, Neil Young, folk rock,acoustic
15. Hobbies: Reading, playing guitar, music, writing songs, gettin on the Net
16. Dream Car: Sports
17. Type of car you drive: Toyota Tarago
18. Word or phrase you overuse: Cool !!!!!
19. Favourite food: Pavlova
20. Piercings or tattoos: none
21. Do you get along with your parents: Yes
22. Favourite town to chill in: Paris, France
23. Favourite ice cream: Cadburys anything
24. Favourite soda: Pepsi
25. What's your bedtime: midnight & after
26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: None of the above
27. Favourite perfume/cologne: Fendi
28. Favourite song at the moment: Everybody's Alone by Neil Young
29. Favourite website: too many
30. Favourite subject in school: Physics and Chemistry
31. Least favourite subject: Maths
32. Favourite sport to watch: Ladies Gymnastics
33. Most humiliating moment: Woolies 1960's
34. Kraziest person or silliest person you know: too hard
35. Favourite holiday(s): Christmas
36. Favourite saying: 'You're never too old to be young'
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:33:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Gross
Subject: Profile NJC
What the hell. Here goes:
1. Name: Brian Gross
2. Nicknames:---- Bri, hey you!
3. Hometown:-----Philadelphia PA metro area (South Jersey now)
4. School: ---- Been there, done that, wish I could go back and do it again
5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- both, plus sunflower seeds and soybeans
6. Favorite salad dressing:----- Creamy caeser
7. What do you drink:----- Decaf and good scotch (though not together)
8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- Melaluca
9. Favorite shampoo: ---- whatever my wife and daughters leave in the shower
10. Favorite Color(s):---- Blue (is there any other?)
11. One pillow or two: ----- 3,4 or 5, depends on how piggy I get
12. Pets: ---- Stuffed dog, answers (or not) to Drooper
13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- This year: Life is Beautiful.
All time: The Deer Hunter, Goodfellas, Great Escape, Animal House
14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Female singer songwriters
15. Hobbies: -----Workworkwork, Macintosh, tinkering
16. Dream Car: --- One with anti-gravity pods
17. Type of car you drive: --- Whichever minivan that they leave me
18. Word or phrase you overuse:- (to other Jersey drivers) NICE MOVE, ASSHOLE!!
19. Favorite food: ----- slightly spicy Chinese
20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- nopenope
21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- Tough since they're both dead,
but I was partners with Dad for 20 years. We got along great.
22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Las Vegas (with a very special partner)
23. Favorite ice cream: ----Breyers coffee
24. Favorite soda: ---- Caffeine free Diet Coke
25. What's your bedtime: ---- midnightish
26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ----None of the above (I'm on the run from the
fashion police)
27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Someone else's Sandalwood Oil
28. Favorite song at the moment: ----Ophelia by Natalie Merchant
29. Favorite website: ---- JMDL.Com
30. Favorite subject in school: ---Science (especially Physics)
31. Least favorite subject: --- English
32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- NFL football
33. Most humiliating moment: ---- Breaking my hip in a ladder fall 10 yrs ago
34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: me, when I'm with Ms Sandalwood
35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- My next trip west
Brian
===
"No paper thin walls
No folks above
No one else can hear the crazy cries of love"
yeah, right
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:55:28 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Re: Here I am in Profile form (NJC)
Calud Loren wrote:
12. Pets: love pound dogs, but I adopted two cats along with my wife.
I reply:
You adopted yoour wife?
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:57:55 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC Congress' morality play/Angry in the USA
thank you debra. i do not DARE get sucked into this discussion...so i have to
live vicariously to those of you brave enough to carry the standard on behalf
of folks like me. for the record, i have great respect for kakki and her
ability to articulate her thoughts, and her propensity for being reasonable
and fair in how she considers the issues at hand before she speaks. i wish i
could learn how to do this!!! (but old dogs and new tricks is a cliche that
applies, alas) but this is one time i think she needs to revisit the
questions at hand. (sorry kakki - i know you know that i have NOTHING but
respect for you and your excellent mind!)
so i thank you debra for speaking up and expressing so well so many of the
slimy, sleazy issues going on here. the ultra conservative wing that so
clearly controls the republican party and is driving this impeachment process
does not feel they have to answer to the american people (or anyone else)
because, and this is what is so horrifying, they really do believe they have a
pipeline to the ear of god. and when someone thinks that, the constitution
itself is just a pretty piece of paper, and in the end, no more important than
a roll of charmin.
this is just a tiny example of what would happen in this country if the
christian coalition were given power.
separation of church and state? not hardly.
the protection of the weak to insure the rights of all? maybe, if they attend
the right church.
i just hope we have the good sense as americans to remember this come next
election. i have to believe we will.
peace, ric (who looks forward to hearing kakki's rebuttal, because i learn
something from them every single time...)
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:02:15 -0800
From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)
Subject: 60 Mins...and the Magdalene Laundries... (NJC)
A transcript or video tape is available of last night's 60 Minutes episode
on the Magdalene Laundries. For a transcript you can call
1-800-777-TEXT...for a videotape, you can call 800-848-3256. There is a
short video clip which previews the segment on the 60 Minutes web site but
there isn't a direct URL link. Try going to this URL
http://kcbs.cbsnow.com/prd1/now/display?p_who=KCBS&p_section=3400 and then
click on 60 minutes on the left frame of news programs.
Hope this helps...
Davina
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:08:31 -0800
From: Don Sloan
Subject: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play
Mark.... I'm surprised that amidst all of the politicians on both
*sides* showing their silly asses, you can still suggest that Big
Governemnt knows how to spend your money (your labor/time/life) better
than you do.
Even Bill Clinton realizes The Great Society (LBJ et al) multi-trillion
$$$$ programs have not been a good *investment*. We have spent trillions
of dollars on so-called *social* issues (e.g. NEA) in the last 30+
years, and what do we have to show for it? And why should someone be
forced to support an artist if they do not appreciate her/his work?
Should people be forced to buy Joni albums even if they don't like them?
If not, what's the difference between that and what you suggest the govt
force us to do by way of the NEA?
You and everyone else is free to promote any and all causes - you can
ask people for money to support your favorites. But to have govt do this
by way of taxes is just coercing others with the force of law (threat of
imprisonment) to support what you think is a cool gig. Talk about
*rights*.
How about this novel idea: do whatever you want as long as you don't
interfere with the right of others to do what they want. But where's the
justice in govt forcing you work a good part of the year (for most of us
about five months) to pay for what the *majority* thinks is *best* for
you, me and others?
BTW, for those who will respond with "We live in a democracy and the
majority rules", don't bother. This is a constitutional republic -
meaning the rule of law is supreme, not the majority. The law is meant
generally to protect individual rights and the minority from the
majority. The majority is often wrong (e.g. slavery, gay/lesbian issues,
drugs etc etc).
Have a great day....
Don
Mark T. Klempner" wrote:
> Meanwhile non-elite people are suffering
> incredibly, as expressed so poignantly by Joni in "Banquet." BTW, to
> think of the song "For Free" in political terms, the Clinton folks would
> want to keep such agencies as the NEA that can and have helped
> thousands of artists of all kinds to be able to survive and contribute
> to society. The Republicans would have the artist either make it or
> starve according to what the market will allow (how many people will throw
> a quarter in his instrument case). I like government suppport of the
> arts, because do we want commercial interests alone to dictate what
> art/artists survive? Not a good situation. Too many good non-commercial
> projects that really enhance society more than many of the
> commercially-viable ones.
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:19:56 -0600
From: Mary Pitassi
Subject: RE: Congress's morality play / Angry in the U.S.A. (NJC)
Debra Shea wrote:
"True, but conservative Republicans set the stage for this impeachment.
Someone said they can't get past the fact that Clinton lied; I can't get
past the underhanded slimey way this "crime" was set up. After 3+ years
of constant investigating the Republican Special Prosecutor (with his
own Southern Baptist conservative agenda) could not find that Clinton
had done anything illegal. Then Paula Jones appears, ready to seek
"justice"; yeah, right, 6 years after the alleged incident, and who's
paying for her lawyers? " Etc.
Bravo, Debra! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm especially uncomfortable
with certain things I've read about what Kenneth Starr knew about Monica
Lewinsky, and when he knew it. Read in a certain light, what transpired in
the fall of 1997 between Starr and Tripp on one side, Tripp and Lewinsky in
the middle, and Lewinsky, Clinton and Currie on the other hovers dangerously
close to entrapment for me. I believe Starr wanted to set up lies, and he
may have succeeded in doing so.
My emphasis, though, falls firmly on the word "may." Although my opinion
appears to be in the minority even among those who believe Clinton should
remain in office, I'm not at all convinced that he did commit perjury. What
I take away from the months of depositions, grand jury testimony, and even
statements to the American public is the image of someone desperately trying
NOT to lie under oath, by any means proper in litigation.
We may not care for what has been referred to endlessly as Clinton's
"hair-splitting" and "legalisms." We may assume that means he has something
to hide. The fact is, however, that he was testifying in two separate
**legal** proceedings, under established rules of procedure and
evidence--and, in the Paula Jones case, according to certain definitions
approved by the trial judge, Susan Webber Wright, as well. Under these
circumstances, I don't believe that stating that he did not engage in sexual
relations with Monica Lewinsky was a lie, AFTER HE MADE CLEAR IN HIS
TESTIMONY ITSELF THAT HE WAS FOLLOWING ONE OF THOSE DEFINITIONS. . . if he
in fact did not engage in the behavior covered by the definition. And
perhaps someone else on the JMDL was in the room with him and Monica, but I
wasn't. I'm simply not prepared to assume that his statement that he did
not in fact engage in that behavior is false without knowing more.
His other, much-maligned "lies"? His statement that he "was never alone"
with Lewinsky was tempered by his testimony, soon afterwards, that he could
well have been, depending on how one defined "alone." He then proceeded to
explain in some detail what he meant: that, if a third party was located in
close physical proximity, and could enter the room unexpectedly at any time,
he did not consider that situation to constitute being "alone." If this was
a "private" definition, he shared it soon afterward with his questioners.
The distinction doesn't seem unreasonable to me, under the circumstance of
testifying under oath. And that granddaddy of them all, "that depends on
what the meaning of 'is' is?" If I'm remembering correctly, the
significance of the word "is" came up before the grand jury in connection
with the Paula Jones deposition, where he declined to contradict his
lawyer's statement that there "is" no sexual relationship of any kind
between Clinton and Lewinsky. His distinction seemed to be that, in fact,
there *was* no such relationship at the time of the deposition, which was
apparently true. Remember, too, that we're talking about not a word that
he himself used, but about his failure to contradict the statement of
another. Even assuming that he had any duty to correct a false statement by
Robert Bennett's, did he have a duty to correct Bennett's statement if it
was literally true? I'm not convinced.
I'm not an expert in the law of perjury. I'm speaking here, however, as
someone with some familiarity with the context of many of Clinton's remarks:
bitter, contentious, adversarial litigation. In that context, in the final
analysis, Clinton's testimony before the grand jury that he did not feel
compelled to volunteer information to make the Paula Jones lawyers'
case--or, by implication, Ken Starr's-- rings true to me. And, if Clinton
sometimes appeared to be engaged in a desperate,
step-on-the-crack-you'll-break-your-mother's back dance to stay barely on
the "not guilty" side of a perjury charge, he also was fairly explicit about
the choreography of that dance: e.g., his thought processes and his
definitions throughout.
One more thing. I really do hate to disagree with Kakki. But, do I really
think the Republicans are enjoying going after Clinton, despite the taunts
of "witch-hunter," etc.?
In a word: Yeah.
Personally, I do.
And I think our country is in trouble *because* of that, not despite it.
Mary P.
(The opinions expressed above are solely my own, etc.)
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:00:05 -0800
From: Randy Remote
Subject: Re: Magdalene Laundries
Luke,
I missed the first part of the show, but the laundries, as you can guess
from the song, were run by the church as free slave labor, essentially. If
a woman was an unwed mother, strongwilled, or even if her family requested,
they were 'taken in' at the Laundries, where they were to work unpaid
- -doing laundry- and they couldn't leave unless someone in their family
specifically came there to get them out. The buildings still stand, with
20 ft walls, with broken glass cemented into the top of it. The reporters
found some women who had been nuns or inmates or whatever, and asked them
if there was any way to escape, and they said 'no way'. They talked of
cruel things like mothers being kept from their child but having to see
them every day being raised by someone else. When you died they dumped you
in an unmarked grave. The survivors recently petitioned (and won) to get a
marker with the names of the women buried (at least at the place they
showed).
The same order of nuns still exists, but would not talk to the crew
about it. Don't know when the last one shut down. There has been some
talk of restitution from the church, but I doubt if anything will come of
it.
RR
Luke Bierlein wrote:
> I missed the 60-Minute story, but am interested in hearing about the
> Magdalene Laundries. I had never heard of it before Joni's song and
> didn't know the song was true. Is it? Could someone please enlighten
> me? I think the song is incredibly haunting and would be interested in
> hearing the story behind it.
>
> Thanks!
> Luke.. who just recieved "For the Roses" and the limited "Night Ride
> Home" in the mail
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:54:54 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: NJC Congress' morality play/Angry in the USA
>peace, ric (who looks forward to hearing kakki's rebuttal, because i learn
>something from them every single time...)
Well thank you Ric, but even I am getting burned out on all of it! Suffice
to say that I tend to view things from the legal perspective because I work
in that field and it influences my opinions greatly. There has been a long
series of investigations against Clinton since he entered office. The
general perception of those investigations is that they were all witch hunts
which were politically motivated. However, there have been people convicted
and sent to jail in some of those investigations, including several people
who were partners with, or close to, Bill and Hillary, like Web Hubbell,
Thomas McDougal and others. I am not a lawyer and cannot expertly explain
all the processes of law in this country (I wish some of the lawyers on the
list would help me out in this). But I do know for a fact that most
investigations do not arise out of thin air. There has to be some good and
valid foundation in order to devote resources to them and legally allow them
to proceed. It was ultimately the courts and our Justice Department that
initiated and allowed these investigations to proceed, not Christian
fundamentalist Republicans, (although I'll agree that the CFR's probably did
cheer it all on). Clinton fought many legal issues in the Paula Jones case
alone, trying to exclude areas of testimony and did not prevail. Every step
of the way the courts, not Republicans, allowed certain issues to be
explored, such as the relevance of the Monica Lewinsky affair. (I frankly
have always been surprised that the court found Lewinsky's stuff admissible
in the Jones case but then again I was not present in the courtroom when
it's relevance was argued, nor have I read the transcripts.) I suppose some
think that all those judges and courts were manuvered by right-wing
Republicans. If people thought that all along then there should have been a
huge outcry about it in this country a long time ago. However, it seemed
that where there was smoke, there was indeed fire, hence the convictions in
several of the investigations surrounding Clinton.
I totally agree that some of the inside workings of the Lewinsky
investigation were quite smarmy. But here is another similarity with
Nixon - Woodward and Bernstein worked surreptitiously to uncover his
misdeeds, and had their own "deep throat" or "deep throats" which helped
them along. They were not officially appointed by the Justice Department or
any government body to conduct their investigation, yet we took them on
their evidence and hailed them as heroes. Nixon was also twice elected to
the presidency by a popular landslide each time, but no one said that the
Democrats were trying to overthrow the will of the people when they sought
to impeach him. And yes, the Republicans at the time also were in
agreement. I don't have the time or energy to go back and study all the
facts of Nixon's impeachment but everything I recall was that he was only
going to be tried on charges of lying and obstruction of justice because he
had falsely denied knowing about the break-in, not because he ordered the
break-in. I recall Haldeman and Erlichmann, et al, were the ones who were
prosecuted for that part of it.
I actually don't savor the prospect of Clinton going to trial at all. It's
bad for the country, provokes divisiveness, and is generally demoralizing.
But I think his actions and constant evasiveness and questionable integrity
have incurred much distrust from many people at this point. The more he has
evaded, the more those investigating him have had to jump (or stoop) to
proving his dishonesty in an endless, vicious circle. And people forget or
choose not to mention that Kenneth Starr himself tried very hard to resign
from his position as Special Prosecutor over a year ago to take a law
professor post out here at Pepperdine University. He wanted out but was
pressured to stay on to finish out the investigation.
I say it is about perjury and not sex because ultimately one cannot be
prosecuted for one's private sexual affairs but one can be prosecuted for
perjury. We would not legally or procedurally be at this point if the only
issue was sex. His sex life itself is not triable in the courts (unless it
relates to sexual harassment or assault). Clinton knows about perjury - he
graduated from Yale Law School - one of the most elite in the country. When
he split the hairs in his defense, he insulted a lot of people's
intelligence. It really bends reality for me personally to embrace a
continual defense of his actions at this point and seek to blame his actions
on everyone else.
Kakki
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:45:20 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: shame!
Winfried! shame on you! *L*
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:52:37 EST
From: Ginamu@aol.com
Subject: NJC Profile
1) Name: Virginia Maria Duarte Munn - always known as Gina (the very last one
is my husband's)
2) Nickname: Beana
3) Hometown: Bombarral, Portugal/Ludlow, Massachusetts
4) School: too many and in too many countries (ASCS = Adult Survivor Of
Culture Shock)
5) Bacon Bits Or Croutons: Marbles
6) Favorite Salad Dressing: I don't know
7) What do I drink: Wine and black coffee
8) Deodorant: unscented
9) Favorite Conditioner: Air
10) Favorite Color: Black to wear and all others everywhere in the universe
11) One Pillow or Two: Two except when I need "ammo", then I need more
12) Pets: A lovable pain in the arse mutt named Charlie ( we love him ), 2
rabbits, a rat named Rebel and a turtle ( the last 3 are my kids'' idea, not
mine)
13) Favorite Movies: The Graduate and ET
14) Favorite Music: I'm all over the place
15) Dream Car: That new goofy looking VW bug (This category embarrasses me a
bit)
16) Hobbies: Music fan, literature (including children's...love picture
books), art, food,
volunteering, sleeping late, perfecting my pie crusts
17) Type Of Car I Drive: my old trustworthy Toyota
18) Overused Phrase: Tough
19) Favorite Food: Bread
20) Piercings or tattoos: just one hole in each ear, given to me at birth
21) Do I get along with my parents? : They live overseas and I miss them,
which doesn't necessarily mean yes but it does mean I love them very much
22) Favorite Town To Chill In: The one I live in now, in the heavenly hills of
Western Massachusetts
23) Favorite Ice Cream: I never really aquired a taste for it
24) Favorite Soda: Sprite
25) Bedtime: very late on weekends
26) Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: What are those?
27) Favorite Scent: this body cream that smells like sunflowers
28) Favorite Song At The Moment: Taming The Tiger (can't get it out of my
head) and Rock and Roll by Velvet Underground
29) Favorite Website: Guess!
30) Favorite Subject In School: English/Language Arts/Literature type stuff
31) Least Favorite Subject: Math
32) Favorite Sport To Watch: none, really
33) Most Humiliating Moment: Tripping in the doorway and falling into English
class on the first day of 7th grade (I was the last person to arrive in class)
- - (damn those high wedgy shoes ! )
34) Craziest Person I Know: you mean people
35) Favorite Holiday: Halloween
36) Favorite quote: The great difference between poets and madmen is the
destiny of the madness that possesses them. Jose Saramago
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:10:13 -0500
From: luvart@snet.net
Subject: Re: Behind the Music
At 03:33 PM 1/4/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I caught Bette's "Behind the Music" and loved it. And they had just
>shown "Stella" on USA network TV earlier that day! Am I the only one
>who loves that movie?? They didn't mention it in the BtM either, did
>they?
>
I always cry when I watch "Stella".
>Oh, and would Joni even want to do that sort of special or is it VH1 who
>hasn't proposed the idea to her?
>
We can only hope & pray that Joni does ...
Heather
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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 01:22:12 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: anti...?
ok, let me see if I've got this right... while it is a terrible thing to be anti gay, anti women and anti abortion, it is, apparently, a very good thing to be anti Christian... is that right? do I have it? I hope so because I do SO want to be politically correct... NOT!
pat
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:04:30 EST
From: Drewdix@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play
In a message dated 99-01-04 19:10:34 EST, you (donbvs@lightspeed) write:
<< We have spent trillions
of dollars on so-called *social* issues (e.g. NEA) in the last 30+
years, and what do we have to show for it? And why should someone be
forced to support an artist if they do not appreciate her/his work?
Should people be forced to buy Joni albums even if they don't like them? >>
Well, heck, I always wondered if I should be forced to support the B-1 bomber
if i didn't like it (and I don't). The government didn't ask me about that.
I don't think I have to say that you as a taxpayer fund our defense budget an
exponentially greater amount than all arts programs (like NEA) put together.
The ratio is pathetic.
Art enriches and enhances life. It builds our culture and teaches us about
ourselves. We as a nation don't have a great National Theater, or the strong
regional opera houses, symphonies and theaters of Europe thqt are heartily
supported and nurtured by each locale. (esp. Eastern Europe).
Here, artists without nepotistic connections have to exist and create AND
simultaneously have their godamned hands out all the time. It's impossible.
And taking away funding, with a Republican hands-off, let-the-market-work-on-
its-own attitude, sink-or-swim stance may just deprive us of our next Joni.
They just don't get it. They've fallen for this whole witch hunt that has
nothing to do with anything except hate. It's all "what the hell, I've got
MINE, who cares what's happening when I'm dead".
It's enormously frustrating.
- -DD
I think we have alot more to show from the trillions spent on social programs
than from the trillions spent with McDonnel-Douglas and Boeing and other
defense contractors.
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:47:22 -0600
From: "Janis"
Subject: Fw: Profile NJC
1. Name: Janis Anita Mayer
2. Nicknames:---- Miss J, Miss Janis, Jammin' Janis
3. Hometown:----- Corpus Christi, Texas
4. School: ---- Incarnate Word Academy, Del Mar College, Of Hard Knocks
5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- Sunflower seeds and croutons
6. Favorite salad dressing:----- Ranch
7. What do you drink:----- Water
8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- Arrid
9. Favorite shampoo: ---- Paul Sebastian
10. Favorite Color(s):---- Green, purple, blue
11. One pillow or two: ----- 6, like to nest
12. Pets: ---- 2 tortoises
13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- This year: Hope Floats
All time: The Color Purple, Braveheart, Priscilla- Queen of the
Desert, Steel Magnolias, Imitation of Life, The English Patient, Fried Green
Tomatoes, Edward Scissorhands... to name a few
14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Dance, Celtic, New Age, Rock, 1980's,
most, not keen on rap
15. Hobbies: ----- Traveling, concerts,internet, beach combing, swimming
16. Dream Car: ---Toyota Landcruiser
17. Type of car you drive: --- GMC Sportside Sierra pick up truck
18. Word or phrase you overuse:- "Oh that's cool!"
19. Favorite food: ----- Seafood
20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- Earring in each ear
21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- Father deceased, Mom living
both wonderful relationships- very loving , very accepting
22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Monterey, California
23. Favorite ice cream: ----Blue Bell Tin Roof
24. Favorite soda: ---- Diet 7-UP
25. What's your bedtime: ---- Whenever I fall asleep
26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ----Reebok
27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Lavender
28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- "You're My Favorite Mistake"
29. Favorite website: ---- Numerous
30. Favorite subject in school: ---English
31. Least favorite subject: ---Math
32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- Football
33. Most humiliating moment: ----The first time I met Peter Frampton, I
grabbed his arm and uttered: "Oh Peter, Oh Peter, Oh Peter". Thank God he
laughed it off, I wanted to die. hehehe
34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: I am almost certain I am
35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Valentine's Day
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:14:07 -0600
From: "Happy The Man"
Subject: NJC: Profile
1. Name: Craig Jenkins
2. Nicknames:---- Happy The Man
3. Hometown:-----Round Rock, Texas
4. School: ---- MDIV
5. Bacon bits or croutons:----Cheese
6. Favorite salad dressing:-----Newman's Balsamaic Vinagarette
7. What do you drink:----- Water & Ice Tea
8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- my wifes
9. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: ---- whatever is in the shower
10. Favorite Color(s):---- Ocean Blue
11. One pillow or two: ----- 2
12. Pets: ---- Cat & three boys
13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- Gidget goes to Spanish Harlem
14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Female singer songwriters
15. Hobbies: ----- Listening to Music, Helping kids
16. Dream Car: --- 63 Chevy 20 pickup 4Wdrive
17. Type of car you drive: --- 96 GMC Suburban
18. Word or phrase you overuse: - I'm tired
19. Favorite food: ----- Anything Not Good for ya!
20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- None of the above
21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- Ma is okay
22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Salida, CO.
23. Favorite ice cream: ---- Vanilla
24. Favorite soda: ---- Coke
25. What's your bedtime: ---- Varies usually 12-2
26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ---- Yeah, I own those
27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Stuff smells like shit and my wife sells
it.
28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- Anybody Out There - Burlap to Cashmere
29. Favorite website: ---- MSNBC
30. Favorite subject in school: --- Surfing (Three Semesters)
31. Least favorite subject: --- Astronomy (Knew more then the freakin
instructor)
32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- baseball
33. Most humiliating moment: ---- Was taking a shower at my brothers house
before he was married and my sister in law walked into the room and
proceeded to undress to get in the shower with me, then realized I was me
and not my brother.
34. Kraziest person or silliest person you know: Steve
35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Christmas
36. Favorite Road Trip: ---- Left LA drove to the tip of Baja California and
then from there to Anchorage Alaska and back to LA (took 8 months had to
stop and make money and fish.)
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:30:38 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: NJC-My profile
(99% of this stuff is fake, BTW)
1. Name: Mark Domyancich
2. Nicknames:---- Lil Chich, Harpua, Joni-Freak, Loser
3. Hometown:----- Ascension Island
4. School: ---- Massechusetts Institute of Tapology (MIT)
5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- Whole peanuts and pumpkin seeds
6. Favorite salad dressing:----- tutu
7. What do you drink:----- Liquids
8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- go natural
9. Favorite shampoo: ---- poop (according to a friend)
10. Favorite Color(s):---- indigo, earthy colors
11. One pillow or two: ----- aspirin
12. Pets: ---- a cat
13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- Anything by Alfred Hitchock, old horror movies
14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Joni, classic rock n roll, some newer stuff
15. Hobbies: ----- stained glass, guitar, dulcimer, internet, personal stuff
16. Dream Car: --- anything with 1 wheel
17. Type of car you drive: --- Chevy Nova (Say it in Spanish!) :)
18. Word or phrase you overuse:- Up yours, cram it, fuck, whatever
19. Favorite food: ----- unsure
20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- 15 earrings in each ear, chain
connecting my nose ring with my 11th right earring, lip pierced,
tongue pierced, both nipples pierced (also connected with a chain)
belly button pierced, huge tattoo of Joni on my back
21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- yes, very
22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Ice, Illinois
23. Favorite ice cream: ---- Unflavored
24. Favorite soda: ---- Squirt, Canada Dry
25. What's your bedtime: ---- Too private to tell
26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ---- hemp
27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- chypre
28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- Lead Balloon
29. Favorite website: ---- my own, the JMDL guitar page
30. Favorite subject in school: --- my teachers
31. Least favorite subject: --- my teachers
32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- football
33. Most humiliating moment: ---- too private as well
34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: myself
35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- snow days
___________________________________
| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua |
| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
|_________________________________|
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:42:09 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #5
From: "Berger, Everett (NJAOST)"
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:49:52 -0500
seeing Grace Slick's name reminded me of a Mitchell moment....during one of
the concerts that I attended on the east coast someone yelled out for Joni
to play "White Rabbit"......she replied "I'm getting slicker but not that
slick"......
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:44:02 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: NJC, possibly uninteresting tie-in to an old thread involving P. Henry
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:51:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "bern.gallagher"
Kakki wrote:
The 60s were a very unique time in history. Being 17 today bears no
> resemblance to 30 years ago, in my opinion.
I know this thread is way old, but as I told Sue, I'm way behind.
My dumb server was down for four days and then five days, so
when I got back home from hanging out with the family for XMAS,
I had 837 messages! Working full-time with a 1 & 1/2 hour commute
each way simply doesn't give me enough time to handle this volume of mail.
I have been forced ( Oh, how reluctantly!) to unsubscribe from this list for
the time being. I know I will miss a lot of cool posts, but I have no choice.
Now back to the matter at hand. I'll take your word that the sixties were
different from the eighties (Hell, the 00's will be different from the
80's, I'm sure),
but I'd like to point out that a lot of the serendipitous or calamitous
encounters
one person enjoys in a lifetime depend largely on time and place.
When I was 13, I met an historian through a stuttering self-help group
(yes, I am,
and once a stutterer will always be one, but y'all will be happy to hear
that with
the help of a clinic my parents sent me to and sheer force of personality, my
difficulties with speech have been largely minimized.) who was 38 at the
time. Well, the two of us hit it off tremendously and ended up becoming (we
vocalized it,
or else I might not believe it myself!) best friends, a status we enjoyed
for at least
two years. Once he turned 40, the pressure of having a 15 year old best friend
started to tell on him, but we're still good friends and we send letters
back and forth.
He wrote a book on the American Revolution last year (His 5th book) called
Angel
In The Whirlwind, which enjoyed a bit of popularity and a full-page ad in
the New
York Times Book Review. When I told someone at work, (I work in a bookstore)
"Hey, I know this guy." they may have had a moment of difficulty swallowing it.
Imagine their incredulity if I had said "I was this guy's best friend when
I was 13
and he was 38"!!!!!!
So, my point, albeit a verbiose one, is this: in ANY decade, age really
doesn't matter.
I enjoyed P. Henry's posts thoroughly, look forward to hearing more from
him, and
am not in the least bit skeptical.
Aren't y'all soooo glad I contributed this snippet of useless info?
Happy New Year!!!
Catman, if I'm missing a tape tree by being unsub'ed, I hand you the weighty
responsibility of e-mailing me diractly and telling me all about It!! I
miss you guys!!!!
(gush, gush)
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!
B.-
I wound up with affection
Looking back down the roads to them
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:49:54 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Queer Confession - NJC Actually, a tiny particle of JC
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:39:43 -0800 (PST)
From: "bern.gallagher"
> Jim L'H. wrote:
> > I can listen to "Walk Like An Egyptian" on infinite repeat for an hour
> > at a time and enjoy it each time.....
Lori wrote:
> However, Jim ... THAT has to be the queerest confession I've read on this
list
> in a very long time!
I will probably make the grade here for "queerest confession
I've read on this list" Here goes:
Not only do I LIKE the Bangles' older stuff (Incl. Egyptian), but
at the ripe old age of 18, I wrote the Bangles a
verylongletter demanding to know why they sold out (I remember
one line was "Eternal Flame? Give me a break!") and ordering them
(song by delicious song) to hearken back to the nitty-gritty days of Dover
Beach and Following. I started out typing it, but my typewriter died and I
finished it by hand. The letter was all of 17 pages long.
While admittedly goofy, (Sure glad I'm not sitting in a room full of you
right now!) I will say that blindly firing off letters of adoration to famous
people I feel connected to has paid off also:
When I was 16, I wrote a letter to Jane Siberry (This was 11 years ago)
explaining to her how much her music meant to me and why. How surprised I
was to come home one day to find a letter from Canada addressed in the most
Sibbishness handwriting of Jane herself, with blue ink on yellow paper,
thanking me for my beautiful letter!!
Um (hiding in the neck of my shirt with embarrassment) yes I wrote a letter
to Joni too, which I hope was ripped up and tossed immediately upon receipt
by some clerk in California. It was, in retrospect, a really stupid
letter, and I am
glad I never got a response, because this leaves me fairly certain that
she did
not read it.
Ah, the power of the written word!
So what say you, Lori, do I win the queerest confession prize?
NP: The Music of the spheres in my head
B.-
Last year around this time we used to climb up in the branches
Just to sway there in the breeze
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:00:58 -0500
From: Janet Hess
Subject: Favorite writers & my profile (NJC)
Goodness! This survey asks about dream cars, deodorant, shampoo & movies
but seeks no info about favorite books. I'd love to hear what other
Jonifolk read. These writers have meant a lot to me: Flannery O'Connor,
Barbara Kingsolver (I'm enjoying The Poisonwood Bible now), me, Toni
Morrison, Armistead Maupin, Audre Lorde, George Eliot.
1. Name: Janet Hess
2. Nicknames:---- none (Nun?)
3. Hometown:----- born in Brackenridge, PA; live in Washington, DC
4. School: ---- yes
5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- both work well with spinach, which I love
6. Favorite salad dressing:----- varies
7. What do you drink:----- strong black coffee, ice water liberally
lemoned, Coke
8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- whatever I'm not allergic to at
the moment
9. Favorite shampoo: ---- any port in a storm
10. Favorite Color(s):---- the whole bloomin' rainbow
11. One pillow or two: ----- scads of 'em
12. Pets: ---- Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, the *other* grey marvel
13. Favorite Movie(s): ----
14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Joni, the guitar of Michael Hedges, Brian
Eno, good new age
15. Hobbies: ----- writing, reading, art (painting, drawing, calligraphy),
computing/Netting, learning Photoshop, taking long walks, playing with the
wonderkitty
16. Dream Car: --- why waste a dream on a car?
17. Type of car you drive: --- none
18. Word or phrase you overuse:- dot com
19. Favorite food: ----- salmon, sushi, spicy pho, Ethiopian, scallops,
spinach, red peppers, fresh corn on the cob
20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- I'm holy even without 'em
21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- nope
22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- San Francisco
23. Favorite ice cream: ---- pistachio
24. Favorite soda: ---- Fresca, Bitter Lemon, Coke
25. What's your bedtime: ---- Erratic. Sleep disorders do that to a person
26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ---- whatever's cheap at Price Club
27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- none
28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- I've been listening to Bach's
Goldberg Variations (the more recent Glenn Gould recording) lots & lots
lately, but I don't know if that qualifies as a song. If not, "Urge for Going"
29. Favorite website: ---- Joni.com, eBay (my eBay feedback rating is 217)
30. Favorite subject in school: --- creative writing
31. Least favorite subject: --- home ec (required when I was in school)
32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- baseball
33. Most humiliating moment: ---- excluding this one?
34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: moi
35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Martin Luther King's Birthday: it celebrates
what's best about the US
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:41:25 -0800
From: Randy Remote
Subject: Re: Magdalene Laundries
Luke Bierlein wrote:
> Randy,
> Thanks for the information. Were the laundries in France or where?
> Thanks!
>
> Luke
yeah, forgot to mention: Ireland
RR
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:46:30 -0800
From: Mark or Travis
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #5
Bounced Message wrote:
>
> From: "Berger, Everett (NJAOST)"
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:49:52 -0500
>
> seeing Grace Slick's name reminded me of a Mitchell moment....during one of
> the concerts that I attended on the east coast someone yelled out for Joni
> to play "White Rabbit"......she replied "I'm getting slicker but not that
> slick"......
Big LOL! Leave it to our Joni. I finished Grace's book, by the way.
It is very entertaining & provocative. I respect & admire her even more
after reading it. It also has some lovely impressions of the SF 60's
scene, in particular of a concert at the Fillmore and also of Woodstock
and the Monterey Pop festival. Her encounter with Joni has already been
described here but it's obvious that Grace has a great deal of respect
and admiration for our Siquomb. She also gives a very interesting &
respectful verbal sketch of Janis Joplin.
Mark in Seattle
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:40:51 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play
Drew wrote:
>Art enriches and enhances life. It builds our culture and teaches us about
>ourselves. We as a nation don't have a great National Theater, or the
strong
>regional opera houses, symphonies and theaters of Europe thqt are heartily
>supported and nurtured by each locale. (esp. Eastern Europe).
>Here, artists without nepotistic connections have to exist and create AND
>simultaneously have their godamned hands out all the time. It's impossible.
I agree but am even more concerned with the complete elimination of art and
music classes in several of the California school districts. Only the
wealthier districts are able to continue to fund such classes through
private donations and fundraisers organized by the parents. The loss of
basic art and music programs at the elementary through high school level is
a much more critical issue to me than cuts in the NEA budget.
I do have have comment on this:
>I think we have alot more to show from the trillions spent on social
programs
>than from the trillions spent with McDonnel-Douglas and Boeing and other
>defense contractors.
As someone who has derived most of her income for the past 18 years from
those defense contractors, you should at least give credit to the fact that
50% of it (no write-offs) goes back every year to the State and Federal
Government for taxes. I presume a respectable portion of those proceeds
funnels back into the system for social programs.
Kakki
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 01:10:14 EST
From: MmeDido@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 99-01-01 17:51:31 EST, :
<< Philip
NP Laura Nyro - The bells >>
Laura Nyro....snubbed again.
...... *sigh*
:\
claire
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 99 22:35:18 -0700
From: Wally Breese
Subject: Grammys & the JM tribute album
Hi everyone,
Tomorrow's the day (Tuesday the 5th) that the Grammy Award
nominations are announced, and I'm hoping for Joni's album Taming The
Tiger to get at least 1 or 2 nominations. The album seems like a shoo-in
for Best Packaging, and Best Female Pop and Best Pop Album are also
definite possibilities. More news on this front early tomorrow morning.
I had a long conversation last weekend with Julie Larson, Joni's
friend and closest contact at Reprise Records starting with the Big
Yellow Taxi remix single project. Julie worked herself up from a gopher
at the record company to the Director of A & R. in just a few short
years. She and I talked about many things, including her experiences in
working with Joni to get her albums from the studio to the stores. Our
conversation will become a part of the homepage sometime in the next
couple of months.
Julie is also the executive producer of the upcoming JM tribute
album, which is now about 60% finished. Julie is trying to hook up more
male singers with JM songs to balance the healthy batch of songs already
recorded by female artists, and she asked me which singers I'd like to
hear sing which JM songs. Since I know that many of you have posted just
such a list of singers and songs, so I want to invite anyone who'd like
to participate and offer some suggestions for match-ups for the tribute
album. You never know, your suggestion just might come to pass! Joni
herself has asked for The Rolling Stones to cover "Cold Blue Steel &
Sweet Fire," and Julie is presently trying to hook up with the Dust
Brothers to record a track which she'll then submit to Mick Jagger for
his approval. E-mail your singer/song suggestions to me at:
(wallyb@pacbell.net). Thanks!
Later,
Wally Breese
The Joni Mitchell Homepage
http://www.JoniMitchell.com
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