From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #6 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 5 1999 Volume 04 : Number 006 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Profile NJC [Brian Gross ] Re: Here I am in Profile form (NJC) [Marian Rulewski ] RE: Congress's morality play / Angry in the U.S.A. (NJC) [Mary Pitassi ] Re: NJC Congress' morality play/Angry in the USA ["Kakki" ] NJC Profile [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Behind the Music [luvart@snet.net] anti...? ["P. Henry" ] Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play [Drewdix@aol.com] Fw: Profile NJC ["Janis" ] NJC: Profile ["Happy The Man" ] NJC-My profile [Mark Domyancich ] RE: JMDL Digest V4 #5 [Bounced Message ] NJC, possibly uninteresting tie-in to an old thread involving P. Henry [B] Queer Confession - NJC Actually, a tiny particle of JC [Bounced Message <] Favorite writers & my profile (NJC) [Janet Hess ] Re: Magdalene Laundries [Randy Remote ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #5 [Mark or Travis ] Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play ["Kakki" ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [MmeDido@aol.com] Grammys & the JM tribute album [Wally Breese ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:26:33 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: Results of "top 5 albums of all time" poll (45% Joni content) -Reply Well, I don't have but now I have the darn title track, "Aja" running through my head. Thanks SO much! > 4) Steely Dan "Aja" (5 votes) > 4) Beatles "White Album" (5 votes) > 6) Van Morrison "Astral Weeks" (4 votes) > 7) Beatles "Abbey Road" (3 votes) > 7) Bob Dylan "Blonde on Blonde" (3 votes) MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:30:59 -0800 (PST) From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein) Subject: Magdalene Laundries I missed the 60-Minute story, but am interested in hearing about the Magdalene Laundries. I had never heard of it before Joni's song and didn't know the song was true. Is it? Could someone please enlighten me? I think the song is incredibly haunting and would be interested in hearing the story behind it. Thanks! Luke.. who just recieved "For the Roses" and the limited "Night Ride Home" in the mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:33:52 -0800 (PST) From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein) Subject: Behind the Music I caught Bette's "Behind the Music" and loved it. And they had just shown "Stella" on USA network TV earlier that day! Am I the only one who loves that movie?? They didn't mention it in the BtM either, did they? Oh, and would Joni even want to do that sort of special or is it VH1 who hasn't proposed the idea to her? Thanks for listening! Luke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:31:44 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: Re: NJC:profiles 1. Name: Marian Rulewski 2. Nickname: Red Baron / Walter Spanghero 3. Hometown: Sydney ,Australia 4. School: St. Augustine's 5. Bacon bits or croutons: Bacon 6. Favourite salad dressing: none 7. What do you drink: Pepsi 8. What type of deodorant do you use: Gillette Pacific Light 9. Favourite shampoo or conditioner: Neways - 10. Favourite Color(s): Blue 11. One pillow or two: 1 used to be 2 'til I wrecked my neck 12. Pets: None 13. Favourite Movie(s): Being There, Old movies, Star Wars 14. Favourite Types of Music: Joni, Neil Young, folk rock,acoustic 15. Hobbies: Reading, playing guitar, music, writing songs, gettin on the Net 16. Dream Car: Sports 17. Type of car you drive: Toyota Tarago 18. Word or phrase you overuse: Cool !!!!! 19. Favourite food: Pavlova 20. Piercings or tattoos: none 21. Do you get along with your parents: Yes 22. Favourite town to chill in: Paris, France 23. Favourite ice cream: Cadburys anything 24. Favourite soda: Pepsi 25. What's your bedtime: midnight & after 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: None of the above 27. Favourite perfume/cologne: Fendi 28. Favourite song at the moment: Everybody's Alone by Neil Young 29. Favourite website: too many 30. Favourite subject in school: Physics and Chemistry 31. Least favourite subject: Maths 32. Favourite sport to watch: Ladies Gymnastics 33. Most humiliating moment: Woolies 1960's 34. Kraziest person or silliest person you know: too hard 35. Favourite holiday(s): Christmas 36. Favourite saying: 'You're never too old to be young' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:33:33 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Profile NJC What the hell. Here goes: 1. Name: Brian Gross 2. Nicknames:---- Bri, hey you! 3. Hometown:-----Philadelphia PA metro area (South Jersey now) 4. School: ---- Been there, done that, wish I could go back and do it again 5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- both, plus sunflower seeds and soybeans 6. Favorite salad dressing:----- Creamy caeser 7. What do you drink:----- Decaf and good scotch (though not together) 8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- Melaluca 9. Favorite shampoo: ---- whatever my wife and daughters leave in the shower 10. Favorite Color(s):---- Blue (is there any other?) 11. One pillow or two: ----- 3,4 or 5, depends on how piggy I get 12. Pets: ---- Stuffed dog, answers (or not) to Drooper 13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- This year: Life is Beautiful. All time: The Deer Hunter, Goodfellas, Great Escape, Animal House 14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Female singer songwriters 15. Hobbies: -----Workworkwork, Macintosh, tinkering 16. Dream Car: --- One with anti-gravity pods 17. Type of car you drive: --- Whichever minivan that they leave me 18. Word or phrase you overuse:- (to other Jersey drivers) NICE MOVE, ASSHOLE!! 19. Favorite food: ----- slightly spicy Chinese 20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- nopenope 21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- Tough since they're both dead, but I was partners with Dad for 20 years. We got along great. 22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Las Vegas (with a very special partner) 23. Favorite ice cream: ----Breyers coffee 24. Favorite soda: ---- Caffeine free Diet Coke 25. What's your bedtime: ---- midnightish 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ----None of the above (I'm on the run from the fashion police) 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Someone else's Sandalwood Oil 28. Favorite song at the moment: ----Ophelia by Natalie Merchant 29. Favorite website: ---- JMDL.Com 30. Favorite subject in school: ---Science (especially Physics) 31. Least favorite subject: --- English 32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- NFL football 33. Most humiliating moment: ---- Breaking my hip in a ladder fall 10 yrs ago 34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: me, when I'm with Ms Sandalwood 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- My next trip west Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:55:28 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: Re: Here I am in Profile form (NJC) Calud Loren wrote: 12. Pets: love pound dogs, but I adopted two cats along with my wife. I reply: You adopted yoour wife? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:57:55 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Congress' morality play/Angry in the USA thank you debra. i do not DARE get sucked into this discussion...so i have to live vicariously to those of you brave enough to carry the standard on behalf of folks like me. for the record, i have great respect for kakki and her ability to articulate her thoughts, and her propensity for being reasonable and fair in how she considers the issues at hand before she speaks. i wish i could learn how to do this!!! (but old dogs and new tricks is a cliche that applies, alas) but this is one time i think she needs to revisit the questions at hand. (sorry kakki - i know you know that i have NOTHING but respect for you and your excellent mind!) so i thank you debra for speaking up and expressing so well so many of the slimy, sleazy issues going on here. the ultra conservative wing that so clearly controls the republican party and is driving this impeachment process does not feel they have to answer to the american people (or anyone else) because, and this is what is so horrifying, they really do believe they have a pipeline to the ear of god. and when someone thinks that, the constitution itself is just a pretty piece of paper, and in the end, no more important than a roll of charmin. this is just a tiny example of what would happen in this country if the christian coalition were given power. separation of church and state? not hardly. the protection of the weak to insure the rights of all? maybe, if they attend the right church. i just hope we have the good sense as americans to remember this come next election. i have to believe we will. peace, ric (who looks forward to hearing kakki's rebuttal, because i learn something from them every single time...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:02:15 -0800 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: 60 Mins...and the Magdalene Laundries... (NJC) A transcript or video tape is available of last night's 60 Minutes episode on the Magdalene Laundries. For a transcript you can call 1-800-777-TEXT...for a videotape, you can call 800-848-3256. There is a short video clip which previews the segment on the 60 Minutes web site but there isn't a direct URL link. Try going to this URL http://kcbs.cbsnow.com/prd1/now/display?p_who=KCBS&p_section=3400 and then click on 60 minutes on the left frame of news programs. Hope this helps... Davina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:08:31 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play Mark.... I'm surprised that amidst all of the politicians on both *sides* showing their silly asses, you can still suggest that Big Governemnt knows how to spend your money (your labor/time/life) better than you do. Even Bill Clinton realizes The Great Society (LBJ et al) multi-trillion $$$$ programs have not been a good *investment*. We have spent trillions of dollars on so-called *social* issues (e.g. NEA) in the last 30+ years, and what do we have to show for it? And why should someone be forced to support an artist if they do not appreciate her/his work? Should people be forced to buy Joni albums even if they don't like them? If not, what's the difference between that and what you suggest the govt force us to do by way of the NEA? You and everyone else is free to promote any and all causes - you can ask people for money to support your favorites. But to have govt do this by way of taxes is just coercing others with the force of law (threat of imprisonment) to support what you think is a cool gig. Talk about *rights*. How about this novel idea: do whatever you want as long as you don't interfere with the right of others to do what they want. But where's the justice in govt forcing you work a good part of the year (for most of us about five months) to pay for what the *majority* thinks is *best* for you, me and others? BTW, for those who will respond with "We live in a democracy and the majority rules", don't bother. This is a constitutional republic - meaning the rule of law is supreme, not the majority. The law is meant generally to protect individual rights and the minority from the majority. The majority is often wrong (e.g. slavery, gay/lesbian issues, drugs etc etc). Have a great day.... Don Mark T. Klempner" wrote: > Meanwhile non-elite people are suffering > incredibly, as expressed so poignantly by Joni in "Banquet." BTW, to > think of the song "For Free" in political terms, the Clinton folks would > want to keep such agencies as the NEA that can and have helped > thousands of artists of all kinds to be able to survive and contribute > to society. The Republicans would have the artist either make it or > starve according to what the market will allow (how many people will throw > a quarter in his instrument case). I like government suppport of the > arts, because do we want commercial interests alone to dictate what > art/artists survive? Not a good situation. Too many good non-commercial > projects that really enhance society more than many of the > commercially-viable ones. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:19:56 -0600 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: RE: Congress's morality play / Angry in the U.S.A. (NJC) Debra Shea wrote: "True, but conservative Republicans set the stage for this impeachment. Someone said they can't get past the fact that Clinton lied; I can't get past the underhanded slimey way this "crime" was set up. After 3+ years of constant investigating the Republican Special Prosecutor (with his own Southern Baptist conservative agenda) could not find that Clinton had done anything illegal. Then Paula Jones appears, ready to seek "justice"; yeah, right, 6 years after the alleged incident, and who's paying for her lawyers? " Etc. Bravo, Debra! I couldn't agree with you more. I'm especially uncomfortable with certain things I've read about what Kenneth Starr knew about Monica Lewinsky, and when he knew it. Read in a certain light, what transpired in the fall of 1997 between Starr and Tripp on one side, Tripp and Lewinsky in the middle, and Lewinsky, Clinton and Currie on the other hovers dangerously close to entrapment for me. I believe Starr wanted to set up lies, and he may have succeeded in doing so. My emphasis, though, falls firmly on the word "may." Although my opinion appears to be in the minority even among those who believe Clinton should remain in office, I'm not at all convinced that he did commit perjury. What I take away from the months of depositions, grand jury testimony, and even statements to the American public is the image of someone desperately trying NOT to lie under oath, by any means proper in litigation. We may not care for what has been referred to endlessly as Clinton's "hair-splitting" and "legalisms." We may assume that means he has something to hide. The fact is, however, that he was testifying in two separate **legal** proceedings, under established rules of procedure and evidence--and, in the Paula Jones case, according to certain definitions approved by the trial judge, Susan Webber Wright, as well. Under these circumstances, I don't believe that stating that he did not engage in sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky was a lie, AFTER HE MADE CLEAR IN HIS TESTIMONY ITSELF THAT HE WAS FOLLOWING ONE OF THOSE DEFINITIONS. . . if he in fact did not engage in the behavior covered by the definition. And perhaps someone else on the JMDL was in the room with him and Monica, but I wasn't. I'm simply not prepared to assume that his statement that he did not in fact engage in that behavior is false without knowing more. His other, much-maligned "lies"? His statement that he "was never alone" with Lewinsky was tempered by his testimony, soon afterwards, that he could well have been, depending on how one defined "alone." He then proceeded to explain in some detail what he meant: that, if a third party was located in close physical proximity, and could enter the room unexpectedly at any time, he did not consider that situation to constitute being "alone." If this was a "private" definition, he shared it soon afterward with his questioners. The distinction doesn't seem unreasonable to me, under the circumstance of testifying under oath. And that granddaddy of them all, "that depends on what the meaning of 'is' is?" If I'm remembering correctly, the significance of the word "is" came up before the grand jury in connection with the Paula Jones deposition, where he declined to contradict his lawyer's statement that there "is" no sexual relationship of any kind between Clinton and Lewinsky. His distinction seemed to be that, in fact, there *was* no such relationship at the time of the deposition, which was apparently true. Remember, too, that we're talking about not a word that he himself used, but about his failure to contradict the statement of another. Even assuming that he had any duty to correct a false statement by Robert Bennett's, did he have a duty to correct Bennett's statement if it was literally true? I'm not convinced. I'm not an expert in the law of perjury. I'm speaking here, however, as someone with some familiarity with the context of many of Clinton's remarks: bitter, contentious, adversarial litigation. In that context, in the final analysis, Clinton's testimony before the grand jury that he did not feel compelled to volunteer information to make the Paula Jones lawyers' case--or, by implication, Ken Starr's-- rings true to me. And, if Clinton sometimes appeared to be engaged in a desperate, step-on-the-crack-you'll-break-your-mother's back dance to stay barely on the "not guilty" side of a perjury charge, he also was fairly explicit about the choreography of that dance: e.g., his thought processes and his definitions throughout. One more thing. I really do hate to disagree with Kakki. But, do I really think the Republicans are enjoying going after Clinton, despite the taunts of "witch-hunter," etc.? In a word: Yeah. Personally, I do. And I think our country is in trouble *because* of that, not despite it. Mary P. (The opinions expressed above are solely my own, etc.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:00:05 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Magdalene Laundries Luke, I missed the first part of the show, but the laundries, as you can guess from the song, were run by the church as free slave labor, essentially. If a woman was an unwed mother, strongwilled, or even if her family requested, they were 'taken in' at the Laundries, where they were to work unpaid - -doing laundry- and they couldn't leave unless someone in their family specifically came there to get them out. The buildings still stand, with 20 ft walls, with broken glass cemented into the top of it. The reporters found some women who had been nuns or inmates or whatever, and asked them if there was any way to escape, and they said 'no way'. They talked of cruel things like mothers being kept from their child but having to see them every day being raised by someone else. When you died they dumped you in an unmarked grave. The survivors recently petitioned (and won) to get a marker with the names of the women buried (at least at the place they showed). The same order of nuns still exists, but would not talk to the crew about it. Don't know when the last one shut down. There has been some talk of restitution from the church, but I doubt if anything will come of it. RR Luke Bierlein wrote: > I missed the 60-Minute story, but am interested in hearing about the > Magdalene Laundries. I had never heard of it before Joni's song and > didn't know the song was true. Is it? Could someone please enlighten > me? I think the song is incredibly haunting and would be interested in > hearing the story behind it. > > Thanks! > Luke.. who just recieved "For the Roses" and the limited "Night Ride > Home" in the mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:54:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Congress' morality play/Angry in the USA >peace, ric (who looks forward to hearing kakki's rebuttal, because i learn >something from them every single time...) Well thank you Ric, but even I am getting burned out on all of it! Suffice to say that I tend to view things from the legal perspective because I work in that field and it influences my opinions greatly. There has been a long series of investigations against Clinton since he entered office. The general perception of those investigations is that they were all witch hunts which were politically motivated. However, there have been people convicted and sent to jail in some of those investigations, including several people who were partners with, or close to, Bill and Hillary, like Web Hubbell, Thomas McDougal and others. I am not a lawyer and cannot expertly explain all the processes of law in this country (I wish some of the lawyers on the list would help me out in this). But I do know for a fact that most investigations do not arise out of thin air. There has to be some good and valid foundation in order to devote resources to them and legally allow them to proceed. It was ultimately the courts and our Justice Department that initiated and allowed these investigations to proceed, not Christian fundamentalist Republicans, (although I'll agree that the CFR's probably did cheer it all on). Clinton fought many legal issues in the Paula Jones case alone, trying to exclude areas of testimony and did not prevail. Every step of the way the courts, not Republicans, allowed certain issues to be explored, such as the relevance of the Monica Lewinsky affair. (I frankly have always been surprised that the court found Lewinsky's stuff admissible in the Jones case but then again I was not present in the courtroom when it's relevance was argued, nor have I read the transcripts.) I suppose some think that all those judges and courts were manuvered by right-wing Republicans. If people thought that all along then there should have been a huge outcry about it in this country a long time ago. However, it seemed that where there was smoke, there was indeed fire, hence the convictions in several of the investigations surrounding Clinton. I totally agree that some of the inside workings of the Lewinsky investigation were quite smarmy. But here is another similarity with Nixon - Woodward and Bernstein worked surreptitiously to uncover his misdeeds, and had their own "deep throat" or "deep throats" which helped them along. They were not officially appointed by the Justice Department or any government body to conduct their investigation, yet we took them on their evidence and hailed them as heroes. Nixon was also twice elected to the presidency by a popular landslide each time, but no one said that the Democrats were trying to overthrow the will of the people when they sought to impeach him. And yes, the Republicans at the time also were in agreement. I don't have the time or energy to go back and study all the facts of Nixon's impeachment but everything I recall was that he was only going to be tried on charges of lying and obstruction of justice because he had falsely denied knowing about the break-in, not because he ordered the break-in. I recall Haldeman and Erlichmann, et al, were the ones who were prosecuted for that part of it. I actually don't savor the prospect of Clinton going to trial at all. It's bad for the country, provokes divisiveness, and is generally demoralizing. But I think his actions and constant evasiveness and questionable integrity have incurred much distrust from many people at this point. The more he has evaded, the more those investigating him have had to jump (or stoop) to proving his dishonesty in an endless, vicious circle. And people forget or choose not to mention that Kenneth Starr himself tried very hard to resign from his position as Special Prosecutor over a year ago to take a law professor post out here at Pepperdine University. He wanted out but was pressured to stay on to finish out the investigation. I say it is about perjury and not sex because ultimately one cannot be prosecuted for one's private sexual affairs but one can be prosecuted for perjury. We would not legally or procedurally be at this point if the only issue was sex. His sex life itself is not triable in the courts (unless it relates to sexual harassment or assault). Clinton knows about perjury - he graduated from Yale Law School - one of the most elite in the country. When he split the hairs in his defense, he insulted a lot of people's intelligence. It really bends reality for me personally to embrace a continual defense of his actions at this point and seek to blame his actions on everyone else. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:45:20 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: shame! Winfried! shame on you! *L* Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:52:37 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: NJC Profile 1) Name: Virginia Maria Duarte Munn - always known as Gina (the very last one is my husband's) 2) Nickname: Beana 3) Hometown: Bombarral, Portugal/Ludlow, Massachusetts 4) School: too many and in too many countries (ASCS = Adult Survivor Of Culture Shock) 5) Bacon Bits Or Croutons: Marbles 6) Favorite Salad Dressing: I don't know 7) What do I drink: Wine and black coffee 8) Deodorant: unscented 9) Favorite Conditioner: Air 10) Favorite Color: Black to wear and all others everywhere in the universe 11) One Pillow or Two: Two except when I need "ammo", then I need more 12) Pets: A lovable pain in the arse mutt named Charlie ( we love him ), 2 rabbits, a rat named Rebel and a turtle ( the last 3 are my kids'' idea, not mine) 13) Favorite Movies: The Graduate and ET 14) Favorite Music: I'm all over the place 15) Dream Car: That new goofy looking VW bug (This category embarrasses me a bit) 16) Hobbies: Music fan, literature (including children's...love picture books), art, food, volunteering, sleeping late, perfecting my pie crusts 17) Type Of Car I Drive: my old trustworthy Toyota 18) Overused Phrase: Tough 19) Favorite Food: Bread 20) Piercings or tattoos: just one hole in each ear, given to me at birth 21) Do I get along with my parents? : They live overseas and I miss them, which doesn't necessarily mean yes but it does mean I love them very much 22) Favorite Town To Chill In: The one I live in now, in the heavenly hills of Western Massachusetts 23) Favorite Ice Cream: I never really aquired a taste for it 24) Favorite Soda: Sprite 25) Bedtime: very late on weekends 26) Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: What are those? 27) Favorite Scent: this body cream that smells like sunflowers 28) Favorite Song At The Moment: Taming The Tiger (can't get it out of my head) and Rock and Roll by Velvet Underground 29) Favorite Website: Guess! 30) Favorite Subject In School: English/Language Arts/Literature type stuff 31) Least Favorite Subject: Math 32) Favorite Sport To Watch: none, really 33) Most Humiliating Moment: Tripping in the doorway and falling into English class on the first day of 7th grade (I was the last person to arrive in class) - - (damn those high wedgy shoes ! ) 34) Craziest Person I Know: you mean people 35) Favorite Holiday: Halloween 36) Favorite quote: The great difference between poets and madmen is the destiny of the madness that possesses them. Jose Saramago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:10:13 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Behind the Music At 03:33 PM 1/4/99 -0800, you wrote: >I caught Bette's "Behind the Music" and loved it. And they had just >shown "Stella" on USA network TV earlier that day! Am I the only one >who loves that movie?? They didn't mention it in the BtM either, did >they? > I always cry when I watch "Stella". >Oh, and would Joni even want to do that sort of special or is it VH1 who >hasn't proposed the idea to her? > We can only hope & pray that Joni does ... Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 01:22:12 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: anti...? ok, let me see if I've got this right... while it is a terrible thing to be anti gay, anti women and anti abortion, it is, apparently, a very good thing to be anti Christian... is that right? do I have it? I hope so because I do SO want to be politically correct... NOT! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:04:30 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play In a message dated 99-01-04 19:10:34 EST, you (donbvs@lightspeed) write: << We have spent trillions of dollars on so-called *social* issues (e.g. NEA) in the last 30+ years, and what do we have to show for it? And why should someone be forced to support an artist if they do not appreciate her/his work? Should people be forced to buy Joni albums even if they don't like them? >> Well, heck, I always wondered if I should be forced to support the B-1 bomber if i didn't like it (and I don't). The government didn't ask me about that. I don't think I have to say that you as a taxpayer fund our defense budget an exponentially greater amount than all arts programs (like NEA) put together. The ratio is pathetic. Art enriches and enhances life. It builds our culture and teaches us about ourselves. We as a nation don't have a great National Theater, or the strong regional opera houses, symphonies and theaters of Europe thqt are heartily supported and nurtured by each locale. (esp. Eastern Europe). Here, artists without nepotistic connections have to exist and create AND simultaneously have their godamned hands out all the time. It's impossible. And taking away funding, with a Republican hands-off, let-the-market-work-on- its-own attitude, sink-or-swim stance may just deprive us of our next Joni. They just don't get it. They've fallen for this whole witch hunt that has nothing to do with anything except hate. It's all "what the hell, I've got MINE, who cares what's happening when I'm dead". It's enormously frustrating. - -DD I think we have alot more to show from the trillions spent on social programs than from the trillions spent with McDonnel-Douglas and Boeing and other defense contractors. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:47:22 -0600 From: "Janis" Subject: Fw: Profile NJC 1. Name: Janis Anita Mayer 2. Nicknames:---- Miss J, Miss Janis, Jammin' Janis 3. Hometown:----- Corpus Christi, Texas 4. School: ---- Incarnate Word Academy, Del Mar College, Of Hard Knocks 5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- Sunflower seeds and croutons 6. Favorite salad dressing:----- Ranch 7. What do you drink:----- Water 8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- Arrid 9. Favorite shampoo: ---- Paul Sebastian 10. Favorite Color(s):---- Green, purple, blue 11. One pillow or two: ----- 6, like to nest 12. Pets: ---- 2 tortoises 13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- This year: Hope Floats All time: The Color Purple, Braveheart, Priscilla- Queen of the Desert, Steel Magnolias, Imitation of Life, The English Patient, Fried Green Tomatoes, Edward Scissorhands... to name a few 14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Dance, Celtic, New Age, Rock, 1980's, most, not keen on rap 15. Hobbies: ----- Traveling, concerts,internet, beach combing, swimming 16. Dream Car: ---Toyota Landcruiser 17. Type of car you drive: --- GMC Sportside Sierra pick up truck 18. Word or phrase you overuse:- "Oh that's cool!" 19. Favorite food: ----- Seafood 20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- Earring in each ear 21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- Father deceased, Mom living both wonderful relationships- very loving , very accepting 22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Monterey, California 23. Favorite ice cream: ----Blue Bell Tin Roof 24. Favorite soda: ---- Diet 7-UP 25. What's your bedtime: ---- Whenever I fall asleep 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ----Reebok 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Lavender 28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- "You're My Favorite Mistake" 29. Favorite website: ---- Numerous 30. Favorite subject in school: ---English 31. Least favorite subject: ---Math 32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- Football 33. Most humiliating moment: ----The first time I met Peter Frampton, I grabbed his arm and uttered: "Oh Peter, Oh Peter, Oh Peter". Thank God he laughed it off, I wanted to die. hehehe 34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: I am almost certain I am 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Valentine's Day ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:14:07 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: NJC: Profile 1. Name: Craig Jenkins 2. Nicknames:---- Happy The Man 3. Hometown:-----Round Rock, Texas 4. School: ---- MDIV 5. Bacon bits or croutons:----Cheese 6. Favorite salad dressing:-----Newman's Balsamaic Vinagarette 7. What do you drink:----- Water & Ice Tea 8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- my wifes 9. Favorite shampoo or conditioner: ---- whatever is in the shower 10. Favorite Color(s):---- Ocean Blue 11. One pillow or two: ----- 2 12. Pets: ---- Cat & three boys 13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- Gidget goes to Spanish Harlem 14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Female singer songwriters 15. Hobbies: ----- Listening to Music, Helping kids 16. Dream Car: --- 63 Chevy 20 pickup 4Wdrive 17. Type of car you drive: --- 96 GMC Suburban 18. Word or phrase you overuse: - I'm tired 19. Favorite food: ----- Anything Not Good for ya! 20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- None of the above 21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- Ma is okay 22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Salida, CO. 23. Favorite ice cream: ---- Vanilla 24. Favorite soda: ---- Coke 25. What's your bedtime: ---- Varies usually 12-2 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ---- Yeah, I own those 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- Stuff smells like shit and my wife sells it. 28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- Anybody Out There - Burlap to Cashmere 29. Favorite website: ---- MSNBC 30. Favorite subject in school: --- Surfing (Three Semesters) 31. Least favorite subject: --- Astronomy (Knew more then the freakin instructor) 32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- baseball 33. Most humiliating moment: ---- Was taking a shower at my brothers house before he was married and my sister in law walked into the room and proceeded to undress to get in the shower with me, then realized I was me and not my brother. 34. Kraziest person or silliest person you know: Steve 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Christmas 36. Favorite Road Trip: ---- Left LA drove to the tip of Baja California and then from there to Anchorage Alaska and back to LA (took 8 months had to stop and make money and fish.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:30:38 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: NJC-My profile (99% of this stuff is fake, BTW) 1. Name: Mark Domyancich 2. Nicknames:---- Lil Chich, Harpua, Joni-Freak, Loser 3. Hometown:----- Ascension Island 4. School: ---- Massechusetts Institute of Tapology (MIT) 5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- Whole peanuts and pumpkin seeds 6. Favorite salad dressing:----- tutu 7. What do you drink:----- Liquids 8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- go natural 9. Favorite shampoo: ---- poop (according to a friend) 10. Favorite Color(s):---- indigo, earthy colors 11. One pillow or two: ----- aspirin 12. Pets: ---- a cat 13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- Anything by Alfred Hitchock, old horror movies 14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Joni, classic rock n roll, some newer stuff 15. Hobbies: ----- stained glass, guitar, dulcimer, internet, personal stuff 16. Dream Car: --- anything with 1 wheel 17. Type of car you drive: --- Chevy Nova (Say it in Spanish!) :) 18. Word or phrase you overuse:- Up yours, cram it, fuck, whatever 19. Favorite food: ----- unsure 20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- 15 earrings in each ear, chain connecting my nose ring with my 11th right earring, lip pierced, tongue pierced, both nipples pierced (also connected with a chain) belly button pierced, huge tattoo of Joni on my back 21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- yes, very 22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- Ice, Illinois 23. Favorite ice cream: ---- Unflavored 24. Favorite soda: ---- Squirt, Canada Dry 25. What's your bedtime: ---- Too private to tell 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ---- hemp 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- chypre 28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- Lead Balloon 29. Favorite website: ---- my own, the JMDL guitar page 30. Favorite subject in school: --- my teachers 31. Least favorite subject: --- my teachers 32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- football 33. Most humiliating moment: ---- too private as well 34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: myself 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- snow days ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:42:09 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V4 #5 From: "Berger, Everett (NJAOST)" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:49:52 -0500 seeing Grace Slick's name reminded me of a Mitchell moment....during one of the concerts that I attended on the east coast someone yelled out for Joni to play "White Rabbit"......she replied "I'm getting slicker but not that slick"...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:44:02 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC, possibly uninteresting tie-in to an old thread involving P. Henry Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:51:31 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Kakki wrote: The 60s were a very unique time in history. Being 17 today bears no > resemblance to 30 years ago, in my opinion. I know this thread is way old, but as I told Sue, I'm way behind. My dumb server was down for four days and then five days, so when I got back home from hanging out with the family for XMAS, I had 837 messages! Working full-time with a 1 & 1/2 hour commute each way simply doesn't give me enough time to handle this volume of mail. I have been forced ( Oh, how reluctantly!) to unsubscribe from this list for the time being. I know I will miss a lot of cool posts, but I have no choice. Now back to the matter at hand. I'll take your word that the sixties were different from the eighties (Hell, the 00's will be different from the 80's, I'm sure), but I'd like to point out that a lot of the serendipitous or calamitous encounters one person enjoys in a lifetime depend largely on time and place. When I was 13, I met an historian through a stuttering self-help group (yes, I am, and once a stutterer will always be one, but y'all will be happy to hear that with the help of a clinic my parents sent me to and sheer force of personality, my difficulties with speech have been largely minimized.) who was 38 at the time. Well, the two of us hit it off tremendously and ended up becoming (we vocalized it, or else I might not believe it myself!) best friends, a status we enjoyed for at least two years. Once he turned 40, the pressure of having a 15 year old best friend started to tell on him, but we're still good friends and we send letters back and forth. He wrote a book on the American Revolution last year (His 5th book) called Angel In The Whirlwind, which enjoyed a bit of popularity and a full-page ad in the New York Times Book Review. When I told someone at work, (I work in a bookstore) "Hey, I know this guy." they may have had a moment of difficulty swallowing it. Imagine their incredulity if I had said "I was this guy's best friend when I was 13 and he was 38"!!!!!! So, my point, albeit a verbiose one, is this: in ANY decade, age really doesn't matter. I enjoyed P. Henry's posts thoroughly, look forward to hearing more from him, and am not in the least bit skeptical. Aren't y'all soooo glad I contributed this snippet of useless info? Happy New Year!!! Catman, if I'm missing a tape tree by being unsub'ed, I hand you the weighty responsibility of e-mailing me diractly and telling me all about It!! I miss you guys!!!! (gush, gush) HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!! B.- I wound up with affection Looking back down the roads to them ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:49:54 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Queer Confession - NJC Actually, a tiny particle of JC Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:39:43 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" > Jim L'H. wrote: > > I can listen to "Walk Like An Egyptian" on infinite repeat for an hour > > at a time and enjoy it each time..... Lori wrote: > However, Jim ... THAT has to be the queerest confession I've read on this list > in a very long time! I will probably make the grade here for "queerest confession I've read on this list" Here goes: Not only do I LIKE the Bangles' older stuff (Incl. Egyptian), but at the ripe old age of 18, I wrote the Bangles a verylongletter demanding to know why they sold out (I remember one line was "Eternal Flame? Give me a break!") and ordering them (song by delicious song) to hearken back to the nitty-gritty days of Dover Beach and Following. I started out typing it, but my typewriter died and I finished it by hand. The letter was all of 17 pages long. While admittedly goofy, (Sure glad I'm not sitting in a room full of you right now!) I will say that blindly firing off letters of adoration to famous people I feel connected to has paid off also: When I was 16, I wrote a letter to Jane Siberry (This was 11 years ago) explaining to her how much her music meant to me and why. How surprised I was to come home one day to find a letter from Canada addressed in the most Sibbishness handwriting of Jane herself, with blue ink on yellow paper, thanking me for my beautiful letter!! Um (hiding in the neck of my shirt with embarrassment) yes I wrote a letter to Joni too, which I hope was ripped up and tossed immediately upon receipt by some clerk in California. It was, in retrospect, a really stupid letter, and I am glad I never got a response, because this leaves me fairly certain that she did not read it. Ah, the power of the written word! So what say you, Lori, do I win the queerest confession prize? NP: The Music of the spheres in my head B.- Last year around this time we used to climb up in the branches Just to sway there in the breeze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:00:58 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Favorite writers & my profile (NJC) Goodness! This survey asks about dream cars, deodorant, shampoo & movies but seeks no info about favorite books. I'd love to hear what other Jonifolk read. These writers have meant a lot to me: Flannery O'Connor, Barbara Kingsolver (I'm enjoying The Poisonwood Bible now), me, Toni Morrison, Armistead Maupin, Audre Lorde, George Eliot. 1. Name: Janet Hess 2. Nicknames:---- none (Nun?) 3. Hometown:----- born in Brackenridge, PA; live in Washington, DC 4. School: ---- yes 5. Bacon bits or croutons:---- both work well with spinach, which I love 6. Favorite salad dressing:----- varies 7. What do you drink:----- strong black coffee, ice water liberally lemoned, Coke 8. What type of deodorant do you use: ---- whatever I'm not allergic to at the moment 9. Favorite shampoo: ---- any port in a storm 10. Favorite Color(s):---- the whole bloomin' rainbow 11. One pillow or two: ----- scads of 'em 12. Pets: ---- Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, the *other* grey marvel 13. Favorite Movie(s): ---- 14. Favorite Types of Music: --- Joni, the guitar of Michael Hedges, Brian Eno, good new age 15. Hobbies: ----- writing, reading, art (painting, drawing, calligraphy), computing/Netting, learning Photoshop, taking long walks, playing with the wonderkitty 16. Dream Car: --- why waste a dream on a car? 17. Type of car you drive: --- none 18. Word or phrase you overuse:- dot com 19. Favorite food: ----- salmon, sushi, spicy pho, Ethiopian, scallops, spinach, red peppers, fresh corn on the cob 20. Piercings or tattoos: ---- I'm holy even without 'em 21. Do you get along with your parents: ---- nope 22. Favorite town to chill in: ---- San Francisco 23. Favorite ice cream: ---- pistachio 24. Favorite soda: ---- Fresca, Bitter Lemon, Coke 25. What's your bedtime: ---- Erratic. Sleep disorders do that to a person 26. Adidas, Nike, or Reebok: ---- whatever's cheap at Price Club 27. Favorite perfume/cologne: ---- none 28. Favorite song at the moment: ---- I've been listening to Bach's Goldberg Variations (the more recent Glenn Gould recording) lots & lots lately, but I don't know if that qualifies as a song. If not, "Urge for Going" 29. Favorite website: ---- Joni.com, eBay (my eBay feedback rating is 217) 30. Favorite subject in school: --- creative writing 31. Least favorite subject: --- home ec (required when I was in school) 32. Favorite sport to watch: ----- baseball 33. Most humiliating moment: ---- excluding this one? 34. Kraziest or silliest person you know: moi 35. Favorite holiday(s): ----- Martin Luther King's Birthday: it celebrates what's best about the US ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:41:25 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Magdalene Laundries Luke Bierlein wrote: > Randy, > Thanks for the information. Were the laundries in France or where? > Thanks! > > Luke yeah, forgot to mention: Ireland RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:46:30 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #5 Bounced Message wrote: > > From: "Berger, Everett (NJAOST)" > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:49:52 -0500 > > seeing Grace Slick's name reminded me of a Mitchell moment....during one of > the concerts that I attended on the east coast someone yelled out for Joni > to play "White Rabbit"......she replied "I'm getting slicker but not that > slick"...... Big LOL! Leave it to our Joni. I finished Grace's book, by the way. It is very entertaining & provocative. I respect & admire her even more after reading it. It also has some lovely impressions of the SF 60's scene, in particular of a concert at the Fillmore and also of Woodstock and the Monterey Pop festival. Her encounter with Joni has already been described here but it's obvious that Grace has a great deal of respect and admiration for our Siquomb. She also gives a very interesting & respectful verbal sketch of Janis Joplin. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:40:51 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC / Re: Congress' morality play Drew wrote: >Art enriches and enhances life. It builds our culture and teaches us about >ourselves. We as a nation don't have a great National Theater, or the strong >regional opera houses, symphonies and theaters of Europe thqt are heartily >supported and nurtured by each locale. (esp. Eastern Europe). >Here, artists without nepotistic connections have to exist and create AND >simultaneously have their godamned hands out all the time. It's impossible. I agree but am even more concerned with the complete elimination of art and music classes in several of the California school districts. Only the wealthier districts are able to continue to fund such classes through private donations and fundraisers organized by the parents. The loss of basic art and music programs at the elementary through high school level is a much more critical issue to me than cuts in the NEA budget. I do have have comment on this: >I think we have alot more to show from the trillions spent on social programs >than from the trillions spent with McDonnel-Douglas and Boeing and other >defense contractors. As someone who has derived most of her income for the past 18 years from those defense contractors, you should at least give credit to the fact that 50% of it (no write-offs) goes back every year to the State and Federal Government for taxes. I presume a respectable portion of those proceeds funnels back into the system for social programs. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 01:10:14 EST From: MmeDido@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 99-01-01 17:51:31 EST, : << Philip NP Laura Nyro - The bells >> Laura Nyro....snubbed again. ...... *sigh* :\ claire ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 99 22:35:18 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Grammys & the JM tribute album Hi everyone, Tomorrow's the day (Tuesday the 5th) that the Grammy Award nominations are announced, and I'm hoping for Joni's album Taming The Tiger to get at least 1 or 2 nominations. The album seems like a shoo-in for Best Packaging, and Best Female Pop and Best Pop Album are also definite possibilities. More news on this front early tomorrow morning. I had a long conversation last weekend with Julie Larson, Joni's friend and closest contact at Reprise Records starting with the Big Yellow Taxi remix single project. Julie worked herself up from a gopher at the record company to the Director of A & R. in just a few short years. She and I talked about many things, including her experiences in working with Joni to get her albums from the studio to the stores. Our conversation will become a part of the homepage sometime in the next couple of months. Julie is also the executive producer of the upcoming JM tribute album, which is now about 60% finished. Julie is trying to hook up more male singers with JM songs to balance the healthy batch of songs already recorded by female artists, and she asked me which singers I'd like to hear sing which JM songs. Since I know that many of you have posted just such a list of singers and songs, so I want to invite anyone who'd like to participate and offer some suggestions for match-ups for the tribute album. You never know, your suggestion just might come to pass! Joni herself has asked for The Rolling Stones to cover "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire," and Julie is presently trying to hook up with the Dust Brothers to record a track which she'll then submit to Mick Jagger for his approval. E-mail your singer/song suggestions to me at: (wallyb@pacbell.net). Thanks! Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #6 ************************ There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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