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JMDL Digest Monday, January 4 1999 Volume 04 : Number 004
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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more weepy songs (njc) [evian ]
NJC: My Sad songs ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ]
Re: My Sad songs ["Kakki" ]
Renee and David Wilcox ["Steve Garrison" ]
Re: Renee and David Wilcox [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
NJC: Magdalene Laundries on 60 Minutes tonight ["Deb Messling" ]
Re: Renee and David Wilcox (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ]
granny heather... [RickieLee1@aol.com]
Your 15 minutes of fame... [Les Irvin ]
NJC - Walk Away Renee [Les Irvin ]
Re: granny heather... [luvart@snet.net]
Re: Your 15 minutes of fame... ["Marsha" ]
Re: weepers [Mark or Travis ]
Re: NJC: Left Banke/Renee ["Kakki" ]
Re: granny heather... [Randy Remote ]
Re: granny heather... [RickieLee1@aol.com]
Re: more weepy songs (njc) [Jason Maloney ]
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 02:15:22 -0600
From: evian
Subject: more weepy songs (njc)
Well, I thought of three more glaring omissions from my weepy song
list... "Glory", "Life Support", and "Will I?" from the RENT
soundtrack... Total boo-hoo songs!
Evian
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 15:21:20 -0500
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu"
Subject: NJC: My Sad songs
Sad songs:
"Storm Warning" as sung by Bonnie Raitt (on the Letterman show) is a sad
song about a lover leaving.
"Walk Away Renee" but I don't know who recorded it. I just know its
about a lover leaving. (Do I sense a pattern here?) Sample: "Just walk
away, Renee. You won't catch me follow you back home."
An LP called "Francis Albert Sinatra and Antonio Carlos Jobim". Boy I
have to lock up the handguns before spinning that one. Sample lyric:
"What's the use of waves that break in the cooooool of the evening?
What is use of the evening, without you? It's nothing...... What's the
use of my wonderful dreams, without you?"
"Hey Jude" made me cry when I saw Paul and Linda a few years ago.
The first time I heard Stevie Wonder's "Isn't She Lovely".
"MacArthur Park". Sample lyric: "Someone left the cake out in the rain
and I don't think that I can make it cause it took so long to bake it."
Just kidding. I'm testing to see if you guys are still alert.
Hey, Dr. Sigmondegreen! Why do we love songs that make us cry?
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All the best,
Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! **
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:46:46 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: My Sad songs
Jim,
This is too weird - you named two on my all-time list that I thought were
too obscure to post!
>"Walk Away Renee" but I don't know who recorded it. I just know its
>about a lover leaving. (Do I sense a pattern here?) Sample: "Just walk
>away, Renee. You won't catch me follow you back home."
This was recorded and released by The Left Banke in July 1966 and was
followed-up by their other hit, the haunting Pretty Ballerina (released
December 1966) which also is devastating. Try to find their anthology
"There's Gonna Be A Storm" if you can. It is a mixed bag and some of it is
quite dated, but I also guarantee you will have it on constant play for
days.
>An LP called "Francis Albert Sinatra and Antonio Carlos Jobim".
Yep, uh huh, totally. An absolute classic.
Kakki
NP: She May Call You Up Tonight - Left Banke
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 07:25:34 -0500
From: "Steve Garrison"
Subject: Renee and David Wilcox
A terrific (and very weepy) cover of this song is on an album by Italian
guitarist Peppino d'Agostino on the Mesa label called "Venus Over Venice."
The haunting vocal on "Walk Away Renee" is by David Wilcox, of all people.
It's a very nice album, mostly instrumental. Came out in 1995, don't know
if it's in print. Steve
>
>
>>"Walk Away Renee" but I don't know who recorded it. I just know its
>>about a lover leaving. (Do I sense a pattern here?) Sample: "Just walk
>>away, Renee. You won't catch me follow you back home."
>
>This was recorded and released by The Left Banke in July 1966
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:49:15 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Renee and David Wilcox
In a message dated 1/3/99 7:26:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, steveg@toad.net
writes:
<< "Walk Away Renee" but I don't know who recorded it. I just know its
>>about a lover leaving. (Do I sense a pattern here?) Sample: "Just walk
>>away, Renee. You won't catch me follow you back home."
>
>This was recorded and released by The Left Banke in July 1966
>>
It's also covered nicely by Rickie Lee Jones on her "Girl at her Volcano" EP,
which also has her beautiful version of "My Funny Valentine," which is a
widely accepted weepy no matter who performs it.
Paul I
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:53:32 +0000
From: "Deb Messling"
Subject: NJC: Magdalene Laundries on 60 Minutes tonight
The US news-magazine show "60 Minutes" is doing a report on the
Magdalene Laundries on tonight's show. Presumably no Joni content,
but sounds interesting! Check your local listings for time and
channel.
Deb Messling
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:58:06 -0000
From: philipf@tinet.ie
Subject: Re: My Sad songs
Kakki wrote about Walk Away Renee:
>This was recorded and released by The Left Banke in July 1966
The Four Tops had a top ten hit with it (in England anyway).
Philip
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:14:56 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC: My Sad songs
In a message dated 1/3/99 3:21:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@one.net
writes:
<< Hey, Dr. Sigmondegreen! Why do we love songs that make us cry? >>
I tell you later, but pleeze pass da hanky furst.
Dr. S.
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:18:31 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC: My Sad songs
In a message dated 1/3/99 3:21:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@one.net
writes:
<< "Walk Away Renee" but I don't know who recorded it. >>
Ooops, I see Kakki beat me to it. The Left Banke's lead guitarist is now a
psychiatrist practicing in NY; we're email "buds". I believe the lead singer
died shortly after they produced their first few hits, right?
Terry
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:41:41 EST
From: Ginamu@aol.com
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #3
I don't know how to reply directly to Winifried through the digest form of
this mailing list...she posted something in the last mailing I received
concerning the Fado, but there is no email address. I am beside myself with
excitement at her mention of Fado . I am Portuguese born and partly bred and I
am proud to have this incredibly passionate music build right into my genetic
make-up ! I wonder if Winifried has heard of Dulce Pontes. I had the pleasure
of seeing her perform in Lisbon, Portugal this summer and her voice "made me
weak in the knees" ! I am also a big fan of the great Amalia. Again in
Portugal this summer, I saw a documentary on Amalia's work on television. It's
nice to see younger women like Dulce Pontes carrying on the Fado tradition,
interpreting it in their own more modern style perhaps but continuing to give
it breath and thus life. I will be sad, if like American blues, this
incredible music begins to fade away. I believe that the Portuguese have Fado
ingraved in their souls sufficiently to not let this happen. I'm also pleased
to see the rest of the world, although quietly, take note of how moving and
soul wrenching Fado music is. Fado: my original exposure to "confessional"
music ! I would love to hear from Winifried about how she was exposed to
Fado.
Ginamu@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:46:02 -0500
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: My Sad songs (NJC)
Kakki,
Also, a great recording of Walk Away Renee is by The Flips on What's In
the Bright Pink Box. They do it accapella in combo with Monday Monday.
One of my favorite recordings.
Jerry
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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:49:01 -0500
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Renee and David Wilcox (NJC)
IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> It's also covered nicely by Rickie Lee Jones on her "Girl at her Volcano" EP,
> which also has her beautiful version of "My Funny Valentine," which is a
> widely accepted weepy no matter who performs it.
Oddly enough, I've always thought her version of My Funny Valentine was
the best I've ever heard. The Girl at Her Volcano EP is a true classic.
Pop Pop is also a favorite of many listmembers.
Jerry
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:06:19 -0500
From: luvart@snet.net
Subject: Re: more weepy songs (njc)
At 02:15 AM 1/3/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Well, I thought of three more glaring omissions from my weepy song
>list... "Glory", "Life Support", and "Will I?" from the RENT
>soundtrack... Total boo-hoo songs!
Evian & all-
The soundtrack to Glory always brings a tear .... but in a different way.
These men layed down their lives for freedom. With the tears I always get
this strong feeling of respect and reverence. Tears that feel the strong
sense of purpose. James Horner composed an excellent soundtrack and having
the Boys Choir of Harlem perform is like icing on the cake.
On a lighter note ... my daughter gave me the newest Garbage CD (Version 2)
for Christmas. I love it! Reminds me of Debbie Harry. Anyone else?
Heather (oh - btw - my daughter is now engaged!! As of New Years Eve! Do
I ever feel old now!)
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:34:48 EST
From: Ashara@aol.com
Subject: A Bulgarian Plea (NJC)
This is way off normal list topics, but out of the 500 or so of you out there,
I thought maybe someone could come to my rescue. I am in a sort of "world
music" type of band, and I sing in over a dozen different languages, including
Macendonian, Hebrew, French, Latvian, Finnish, Catalonian, etc. Before singing
any of these pieces, I have always found someone who speaks the language to
make sure I am pronouncing the words as authentically as possible, as well as
get the translation, background, etc. I have a new piece the band would like
to do in Bulgarian, and so far, have not found anyone at all who speaks the
language. If any of you know Bulgarian, or know someone that does, or where
else I could go, and would be willing to help out, *please* e-mail me
privately. I would be forever grateful. THANKS!!
A very Happy New Year to all of you!
Hugs,
Ashara
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:46:00 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: weepers
Paul, sagely, says:
>"My Funny Valentine," which is a
>widely accepted weepy no matter who performs it.
This is my song. You are right.
Marsha, born 2-14
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:49:16 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: granny heather...
heather! i am shocked! you have a daughter old enough to get married???
what the heck? so, maybe in like the next year or two you could well be
granny heather? well, well, well. can i start calling you granny now? or do
you prefer nana? are there any other grannies on the list? maybe you could
start a JMDL granny list heather! you guys could down and upload photos of
each other's grandchildren and exchange recipes, get and give advice on where
to get the best deal on that new walker...trade coupons on depends and
polident. (oh i can just tell, i am going to have FUN with this!!!)
love and all that granny jazz, ric
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:16:02 -0700
From: Les Irvin
Subject: Your 15 minutes of fame...
Joniphiles -
I'm forwarding this message on that I received this morning. All
interested and eligible parties please respond directly to Alex.
Thanks,
Les
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From: "Alex Hannaford"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 07:31:29 PST
Hi
I am writing to you in the hope you can help with some research I'm
doing for a book. I'm a journalist in the U.K. and I'm visiting America
for two and a half months in April and need to interview anyone that
went to memorable gigs between 1958 and 1974 (which I have loosely
termed 'the 60's').
Can you put me in touch with anyone in the U.S. (by email) who went to
see Joni Mitchell in the 60s / early 70s? The more contact names and
email addresses I have, the better. I can then contact them with a view
to interviewing them in the States and including their thoughts and
recollections in the book.
Thanks for your time, and I hope you can help.
Regards
Alex Hannaford
(hannaford@hotmail.com)
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:20:25 -0700
From: Les Irvin
Subject: NJC - Walk Away Renee
At 1/3/99 05:25 AM , Steve Garrison wrote:
>The haunting vocal on "Walk Away Renee" is by David Wilcox, of all people.
Rickie Lee Jones gets my vote for best cover of this song. Haunting,
painful, and beautiful.
Les
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:22:36 -0500
From: luvart@snet.net
Subject: Re: granny heather...
At 12:49 PM 1/3/99 EST, RickieLee1@aol.com wrote:
>heather! i am shocked! you have a daughter old enough to get married???
>what the heck? so, maybe in like the next year or two you could well be
>granny heather? well, well, well. can i start calling you granny now?
or do
>you prefer nana? are there any other grannies on the list? maybe you could
>start a JMDL granny list heather! you guys could down and upload photos of
>each other's grandchildren and exchange recipes, get and give advice on where
>to get the best deal on that new walker...trade coupons on depends and
>polident. (oh i can just tell, i am going to have FUN with this!!!)
>
GRANDMOTHER!!! Let's get past a wedding first! BUT! Just think if there
are "little ones" They come over to ... ahem... grandma's house
and I load their little brains with Joni! I'll pay for their piano and
guitar lessons, read Joni's lyrics to them. Altho there may be some
furrowed brows made in my direction when the childs first word is Joni .....
Heather (who is STRONGLY urging these two to wait a couple of years ...)
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:40:01 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: Your 15 minutes of fame...
>Can you put me in touch with anyone in the U.S. (by email) who went to
>see Joni Mitchell in the 60s / early 70s? The more contact names and
>email addresses I have, the better. I can then contact them with a view
>to interviewing them in the States and including their thoughts and
>recollections in the book.
Dulson gets my vote for appearing in the book!
He has the largest accumulation of ticket stubs, setlists,
and memorabilia of anyone I know from his three decades
(plus!) of concert attendance!
Attention, Stevie!
All that fastidious saving/listing is about to pay off for you...;-D
Cool...
Marsha
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:34:20 -0800
From: Mark or Travis
Subject: Re: weepers
Marsha wrote:
>
> Paul, sagely, says:
>
> >"My Funny Valentine," which is a
> >widely accepted weepy no matter who performs it.
>
> This is my song. You are right.
>
> Marsha, born 2-14
Although I think the melody is beautiful I have never liked this song.
If someone who was supposed to be in love with me sang:
Is your figure less than Greek?
Is your mouth a little weak?
When you open it to speak
Are you smart?
not to mention:
Your looks are laughable
Unphotographable
I would be terribly insulted and tell them to hit the road, Jack!
Just one man's opinion.
Mark in Seattle
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:54:54 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: NJC: Left Banke/Renee
Terry wrote:
><< "Walk Away Renee" but I don't know who recorded it. >>
>
>Ooops, I see Kakki beat me to it. The Left Banke's lead guitarist is now a
>psychiatrist practicing in NY; we're email "buds". I believe the lead
singer
>died shortly after they produced their first few hits, right?
According to the long liner notes in miniscule type on the compilation CD,
they had a number of guitarists over time - George Hirsch, Jeff Winfield,
Rick Brand. What is your friend's name?
The lead singer, Steve Martin, did not die after they produced the first few
hits, but the leader of the group, Michael Brown, split from them at that
time and formed another group also called The Left Banke. After much
fighting, they all reconciled, but had confused their fans and ticked off
their record label in the interim and never quite regained their initial
popularity.
I found a Left Banke web site at http://member.aol.com./bocad/leftbank.htm
that addresses a rumor that Steve Martin had died. Apparently it was just a
rumor and he is still alive and kicking.
Also found a Walk Away Renee web page at
http://www.crl.com/~tsimon/renee.htm
about the song's inspiration.
Kakki
NP: Black and Blue Rainbow - Sons of Champlin
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Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:13:37 -0800
From: Randy Remote
Subject: Re: granny heather...
RickieLee1@aol.com wrote:
> are there any other grannies on the list?
I just became a grandpa at the over-ripe age of 42..... what else is great about
being 42? Being a Joni fan for 26 years for starters. RR
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:44:07 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: granny heather...
a grandpa? at 42? holy moly. all the fun with none of the fuss! now THAT'S
the way to have a baby!
and while your still young enough to swing! cool. congratulations randy.
(email heather.) love, ric
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 00:01:42 +0000
From: Jason Maloney
Subject: Re: more weepy songs (njc)
Heather, feeling ever so old ;-), wrote :
> On a lighter note ... my daughter gave me the newest Garbage CD (Version 2)
> for Christmas. I love it! Reminds me of Debbie Harry. Anyone else?
This is what I love about you folks...the sheer range, depth and quality
of music that is enjoyed by us all. Garbage are, especially with the
second album, quintessentially pure adrenalin pop...classic song
structures and a vibrant delivery. I played their debut so many times
during 1996/97....Stupid Girl, Milk, Only Happy When It Rains were all
superb singles.
Having been born in 1971, and not buying my first record until I was 12
(!), I was a little bit young when Blondie were at their peak, but in
the UK they had a long succession of huge hits and were hardly ever off
Top Of The Pops. I can still recall the times I saw Call Me, The Tide Is
High, Dreaming and Atomic on that show as a wee lad :o) I would agree
that Shirley & co. have a definite streak of that same quality, though I
wouldn't wish to enter any debate concerning the validity/originality of
what they do ;-D
There is a point during Special where it breaks into the Pretenders Talk
Of The Town, but apparently Chrissie Hynde gave her
permission.....whether this signifies the artists of that time
appreciate what Garbage are doing, I have no idea. Just another snippet
of useless information that I needlessly accrue during my mundane
existence
Jason.
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