From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #3 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, January 3 1999 Volume 04 : Number 003 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The JMDL cure... [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Songs that make me cry (NJC) [Marian Russell ] RE: Maybe a really stupid question... [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] RE: Maybe a really stupid question... ["Deb Messling" ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #2 ["Goodwin" ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #2 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Millenium (NJC) [catman ] blue cover ["P. Henry" ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Maybe a really stupid question... [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Maybe a really stupid question... [philipf@tinet.ie] Dusty Springfield (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Fw: Virus Warning [Randy Remote ] My Obituary, sort of (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: My Obituary, sort of (NJC) [Diana Duncan ] Re: My Obituary, sort of (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Joni's Cookbook [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: My Obituary, sort of (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] NJC-Beatles and Stones [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] LJC-R&RHoF [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] HELLO [Zapuppy@webtv.net (Penny Gibbons)] Joni on Blue Album cover [bhillis@onramp.ca (Patricia Hillis)] Re: Weepy Songs ["John Wasak" ] Hey Strangers! [picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith)] Happy New Year [Bounced Message ] RLJ, van gogh, faves (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Scarlett Conquering [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: Re: NJC Favourite films of the year [Marilune@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:09:28 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: The JMDL cure... OK Ric, You've convinced me. I'm not going to bother with the cure, at least for the time being. After all, I could be wasting my time doing much worse things, I'm sure. And why should Betty Ford make money out of me anyway? I just hope this list is still going when I'm old and grey and with time on my hands. That's when I'll really need it! Cheers Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 08:07:30 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry (NJC) My Father - Judy Collins Piney Wood Hills - Buffy St. Marie Solisbury Hill - Peter Gabriel Trick of the Tail - Genesis May You Never - John Martyn Hammond Song - Roches Black Seam - Sting Icarus - Paul Winter Chinese Cafe - Joni Luka - Suzanne Vega Why Worry Now - Dire Straits Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 99 13:28:04 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: RE: Maybe a really stupid question... LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein) wrote: So I'm probably really shaming myself by asking that question, but I just have to know! There are no dumb questions, some issues have been raised b4, and new ones crop up all the time. I'm truly amazed at the stuff I learn when these types of questions get asked, after following Joni's music and press for 20 years I thought I knew everything, but thanks to this list, I'm always learning, and realizing that there were things I'd never noticed the first (and hundredth) time :-) I have been wondering for years just what Joni is doing on the cover of "Blue". Because of the dark cover, I can't tell what's she got either in her mouth or by her face. I thought it might be a pipe, but I wasn't sure. Well the CD, cause it's so small, is practically indistinguishable. Thinking back to the 12" LP (that's burried in a closet and inaccessible right now) I always thought it was a microphone near her mouth...I'm sure someone on the list will set this straight (it *did* come up once b4, ages ago, and I don't recall.) And one more thing... why is it that on "LOTC", the song is called "For Free" and in "MOA" it's "Real Good For Free"? Who changed it and why? Thanks for the help and understanding (I hope)! This isn't the first inconsistency in a title from studio to live release. The HOSL song "Sweetbird" was listed on the Refuge of the Roads video (1984) as "Sweetbird of Youth." (she does "For Free" on the ROR video, btw, and it's listed as "For Free.") And on the last leg of her most recent tour, the song "Song for Sharon" was introduced in Atlanta (the only venue where she played that one) as "Song For Sharon Bell." I think we've concluded that the "real" title is the one that appears on the original album. There are more lyrical inconsistencies than titular ones -- The Complete Poems and Lyrics book, released last year, was riddled with errors (I think Howard Wright complied a rather long list!). Joni herself doesn't help things, as she's been known to change words over time. The original (Hejira version) of Refuge of the Roads began "I met a friend of spirit, he drank and womanized" -- but for years she's been singing "I met a friend of spirit, a drunk with sage's eyes." On the original (Hejira) version of "Black Crow" she sang "in search of love and music my whole life has been" -- these days she sings "in search of truth and beauty my whole life has been." I won't even mention how many times "Listen, strains of Benny Goodman coming through the snow and the pinewood trees" from "Hejira" was changed in live performance. Speaking of lyric changes, on the ROR video version of "For Free" she adds a full new chorus: "playing like a rising star, playing like a fallen angel, playing for a hat full of nothing to the honking of the cars." -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:51:52 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Maybe a really stupid question... As Kenny mentioned, Joni has not been averse to changing her songs over time. It seems to me that the titles sometimes get shorter when they're listed on the albums. Examples: Song for Sharon Bell Fourth of July Night Ride Home He Played Real Good for Free (this one's real picky)FROM Both Sides Now > And one more thing... why is it that on "LOTC", the song is called > "For Free" and in "MOA" it's "Real Good For Free"? Who changed it > and why? Thanks for the help and understanding (I hope)! ~~Deb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:13:47 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry (NJC) In a message dated 1/2/99 6:22:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, m.russell@iaea.org writes: << Trick of the Tail - Genesis >> "Ripples" from Genesis' Trick of the Tail album is another I'd put on my list. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:19:33 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry (NJC) Another tear-jerker that someone may have mentioned, but I forgot: The Wind Cries Mary by Jimi Hendrix... the first time I heard that song I held back the tears but I listened to it again privately and I cried my eyes out! Mark ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:43:01 +1100 From: "Goodwin" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #2 >According to an interview with John I once read, they each had a knack for >filling in the bridges in each other's songs, at least early on. >They also are supposed to have collaborated on the song they gave to the >Rolling Stones, which they wrote in 15 minutes or less, after the Stones asked >them to write one for them. What was that one? >Paul I Could that have been 'I Wanna Be Your Man"? Very early one, but definitely recorded by the Stones and written by L & C Paul G Sydneyside ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:47:22 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #2 In a message dated 1/2/99 9:44:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, goodwin@zip.com.au writes: << Could that have been 'I Wanna Be Your Man"? Very early one, but definitely recorded by the Stones and written by L & C Paul G Sydneyside >> Yes, that's the one. Thanks, Paul. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:50:13 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC) Mark, dear, you are correct and so is David. I realised I had boobed when it came back to me. It was an incorrect example. BUT the millenium still is not finished till the end of 2000! Mark or Travis wrote: > catman wrote: > > > > Exactly Bob. I was considering saying the same thing but wasn't in the mood for > > shit today! > > It is quite simple-having turned 40 a coupla weeks ago, my 40th year does not end > > till my 41st. I don't know why people find this so hard to comprhend. > > The centruy ends at midnight, 31/12/2000. > > You are correct about the millennium but not about your age (unless you > do things differently in GB). Your first birthday comes one year after > your birth. So on your fortieth birthday you have indeed lived for a > full forty years and are beginning your 41st year of life. > > Mark in Seattle wishing all a belated Happy New Year!! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:46:59 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: blue cover luke wrote: "I have been wondering for years just what Joni is doing on the cover of "Blue". Because of the dark cover, I can't tell what's she got either in her mouth or by her face. I thought it might be a pipe, but I wasn't sure." hi luke, I don't see any reason to be ashamed of asking what you don't know... as for me, I have always thought that was a pic of Joni in a tight spotlight singing into a mic... however the image IS pretty dark and muddy and I could be 'filling in' what I assume is goin' on... *S* pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:57:21 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 1/1/99 2:29:51AM, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << OK, I forgot that one - and I've even got it on CD! but still not enough to earn a ticket - as influences maybe... And I MUST have been nappin' when Dusty Springfield was tearing up the R&R world because that seems to be the bone of contention with my original list. Must be "Windmills of Your Mind".... >> I think the Hall of Fame is pretty meaningless, and like several other people in the list I'm not sure I understand the critieria for inclusion (apart from the 25 year rule). That said, I think the Staple Singers are as worthy of inclusion as most of the others Bob mentions on his list, and not just because they've been around so long (Pops made his first single in the early 50s). Mavis in particular is a truly great singer, and was an influence on singers like Gladys Knight. Pops was still alive last I heard (he'd be about 84 by now), and his recent album "Father Father" was a pretty darn good for an octogenerian. They also cropped up in a bit of rock/soul crossover, forming a mutual admiration society with Talking Heads: they covered "Slippery People", which encouraged David Byrne to dip his toe into soul, which ended up with their ace cover of "Take Me To The River". As for Dusty, I can only say, Bob, that you must indeed have been napping when Dusty was at her peak, because she did a hell of a lot more than the few songs you mentioned. You mentioned "From Dusty in Memphis" in passing, but didn't mention what a brilliant record it was, and how highly Jerry Wexler (a man who knows his onions when it comes to singers) rated her. May I suggest you have a listen to Dusty singing "Some of Your Loving", You Don't Have to Say You love Me", "Am I the Same Girl", etc etc, and treat yourself! Happy New year Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:06:39 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Maybe a really stupid question... Deb wrote : >It seems to me that the titles sometimes get shorter when >they're listed on the albums. Examples: >Song for Sharon Bell >Fourth of July Night Ride Home >He Played Real Good for Free >(this one's real picky)FROM Both Sides Now To that list I'd like to add my favourite long title: Oh Honey You Turn Me On I'm A Radio as it was called before the record came out. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:29:18 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Maybe a really stupid question... Deb wrote : >It seems to me that the titles sometimes get shorter when >they're listed on the albums. Examples: >Song for Sharon Bell >Fourth of July Night Ride Home >He Played Real Good for Free >(this one's real picky)FROM Both Sides Now To that list I'd like to add my favourite long title: Oh Honey You Turn Me On I'm A Radio as it was called before the record came out. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:57:04 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Dusty Springfield (NJC) In a message dated 1/2/99 9:57:21 AM Central Standard Time, AzeemAK writes: << As for Dusty, I can only say, Bob, that you must indeed have been napping when Dusty was at her peak, because she did a hell of a lot more than the few songs you mentioned. You mentioned "From Dusty in Memphis" in passing, but didn't mention what a brilliant record it was, and how highly Jerry Wexler (a man who knows his onions when it comes to singers) rated her. May I suggest you have a listen to Dusty singing "Some of Your Loving", You Don't Have to Say You love Me", "Am I the Same Girl", etc etc, and treat yourself! >> Thanks to all who responded re: Dusty Springfield. I worded my post(s) strongly to encourage those who may have a passion for these artists to speak up. As a result of the responses I received, I plan to pick up the DS Anthology. Since most of the best music I heard in '98 was a result of you folks, there's no reason that '99 shouldn't share the same trait! Thanks again, Bob M. in SC NP: Ruth Brown "Oh, What A Dream" (speaking of good soul...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:10:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Fw: Virus Warning Julie Clemen wrote: > > >>> > > >>>This is very important. > > >>> > > >>>Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver, the Budweiser > > >>>Frogs - "BUDDYLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose > > >>>everything!!! Your hard drive will crash and someone from the Internet > > >>>will get your screen name and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY > > >>>CIRCUMSTANCES!!! > > >>> > > >>>IT JUST WENT INTO circulation yesterday, as far as we know. Please > > >>>distribute/inform this message.This is a new, very malicious virus and > > >>>not many people know about it. > > >>> > > >>>This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft. > > >>>Please share it with everyone that might access the Internet. Once > > >>>again, pass this along to EVERYONE in your address book so that this > > >>>may be stopped. Also do not open or even look at any mail that says > > >>>"RETURNED OR UNABLE TO DELIVER". This virus will attach itself to your > > >>>computer components and render them useless. > > >>> > > >FYI----- > > > > > >>>Immediately delete mail items that say this. AOL has said that this is > > >>>a very dangerous virus and that here is NO remedy for it at this time. > > >>> > > >>>Thank You, > > >>>Don A. Hay, Ph.D. > > >>>Chair, Department of Biology > > >>>Stephen F. Austin State University > > >>>P.O. Box 13003, SFA Station > > >>>Nacogdoches, TX 75962 > > >>>(409) 468-3601 > > >>>dhay@sfasu.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:44:32 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: My Obituary, sort of (NJC) Hi everyone! Well, Mark in the Midwest is snowed in, so I thought I could share something I found in a church bulletin from last week to pass the time. This is straight out the page: In Loving Remembrance Christmas Decorations & Flowers are in memory of: Eldon Buchanan Mary & Alfons Dendooven Arthur Goebel & Robert Seeds Edward J. Thordsen Sr. Claire & Winfred Curry Martin & Mollie Ryan Louise & Rene DeJonghe Ed Van Heede Michael Goethals Mark Domyancich M/M Pete Mitchell Anastasia Kavanski Ralph J. Segura Refugia Montecino ... I almost passed out when I saw it! This is going in my church bulletin bloopers page! Take care! Mark NP-Black Crow ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:43:47 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Re: My Obituary, sort of (NJC) At 02:44 PM 1/2/1999 -0600, Mark Domyancich wrote: >In Loving Remembrance >Christmas Decorations & Flowers are in memory of: >Michael Goethals Mark Domyancich So sorry to hear about your demise! This just means you get to start over with a clean slate. I had a similar thing happen to me. There was an obituary in the newspaper with my name and exact age, but it was another lady in an adjoining town. Things like that make you realize how fragile our lives are.. So on that note I say to everyone Happy New Year and make every day count! Diana (Enjoying the snow!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:11:21 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: My Obituary, sort of (NJC) In a message dated 1/2/99 2:46:39 PM Central Standard Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << In Loving Remembrance Christmas Decorations & Flowers are in memory of: Mark Domyancich >> Mark, so glad to hear that the rumors of your demise are greatly exaggerated! ;~D But still, I hope that people have loving memories of me, even if I'm not dead yet. Actually, one of the coolest things that happened to me this Christmas was that my Sunday School class put a poinsettia in the sanctuary in my honor. Bob M in SC NP: Chuck Willis, "I feel So Bad" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:27:42 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni's Cookbook Hi, Does anyone know if Joni got it? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:34:44 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: My Obituary, sort of (NJC) I thought about calling the parish secretary, about how in the world could they mix up me with one of my great uncles (Frank Domyancich), who, as far as I know, doesn't live here anymore. At 5:11 PM -0500 1/2/99, RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > Mark, so glad to hear that the rumors of your demise are greatly exaggerated! > ;~D > But still, I hope that people have loving memories of me, even if > I'm not dead > yet. Actually, one of the coolest things that happened to me this Christmas > was that my Sunday School class put a poinsettia in the sanctuary > in my honor. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:54:47 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: NJC-Beatles and Stones Is the Stones song....I wanna be your man? Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:20:29 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: LJC-R&RHoF Del Shannon-"one of the few early rockers who wrote his own material" He worked with Leon Russell, DAce Edmunds, Tom Petty and others was seen as a great influence on guitarist- wrote "I go to pieces" a huge hit for Peter and Gordon To "judge" the inductees to the R&RHoF, you must understand the "rules". 25 years after an artist's first record; that's why Springsteeen only made it THIS year. And the inductees are "judged" or voted on by peers...and not for most #1 hits, more for influence, originality, and writing ability as well as technical musical expertise. Dusty is one of the greats of the female singers; an influence on many later singers and a career that is outstanding. As for Paul Mc, always MY favorite Beatle... and I like his "silly love songs" As for John Lennon, I lost much respect for him after his oft-repeated slags about everyone but himself and Yoko...living in LA during John's "lost weekend" with reports of his drunken forays into public wearing a tampon on his head and heckling acts like the Smothers Bros. until he was thrown out on his arse into the street. And recently, I heard that Yoko is licensing John's artwork for sale like Jerry Garcia's ( at least Jerry got to have a say in his own "sell-out") A long rant.. sorry about typos but my archaic email system does not allow corrections. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:03:25 -0800 (PST) From: Zapuppy@webtv.net (Penny Gibbons) Subject: HELLO Greetings All, I'm new to the list and will probably tend to be a lurker--the trigger would usually be to come to the defense of the more sensitive of the group. I have to say I am a little intimidated from some of the resent Christian bashing I've read here. Especially considering Joni played a major role in helping me get my Christian walk back on track...ie "Love-1 Cor 13", "Passion Play", "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" and "The Sire of Sorrows." Huge Joni fan ever since the Time mag cover story sucked me in in high school. Collected entire catalog within the next year and half (a little too fast considering her work is pretty overwhelming in large doses.) From day one Siquomb has had my unmatched and unthreatened loyalty. I've seen Joni live Vancouver BC '79, Portland,OR '79 "nearly front row seats to the right side of the stage" (second row, center aisle seat right, to be exact!!) Concord, CA '83, Jazz Festival '95 and the Gorge '98. I met Joni backstage at Jazz Fest. and like everyone else has said she was gracious, personable and very sweet. And she looked much better face to face then on tape or T.V- easily 15 yrs. younger and also more petite. What really got me though was the intent eye to eye contact she kept in thoughtfully listening to and answering me. Having been told I'm especially direct for a woman (others not Joni) I asked, " How do you do it? I mean you are sooooo much better than everybody else. You do things and get tired of them musically like ten years before the rest get caught up to where you have already been. Reviews may be good or even great but the general public just doesn't get it. I'm a huge fan, but I'm only a fan and I get sooo ticked by the lack of ackknowlegement of your genius. Isn't that hard for you to take?" Her reply in context (please don't quote me) ''You know it really doesn't really matter if they're always accepted well by the masses or not. I have to be loyal to the visions in my head in my art. But actually when I signed up to play here I was going to call this my swan song. But since I got this new guitar I was playing with tonight, I've become pretty jazzed about the possibilities for the future." There was more dialog between us that I am fuzzy on because Joni had caught me so off guard by her lovely manner. And the eye to eye contact also meant she witnessed mine glaze over in reverent awe as we spoke.."If there's one rule to this game that everybody can name real plain it's, Be Cool." NOT. Had I known I'd be meeting Joni, the accessible beer I gave would have been either Chateau Margeux or a bottle of German wine to drink and the autograph she gave me would have gone beside her picture in my Starart book. So how about a thread, if it has not already been done (remember I'm new here) If you met Joni what would you ask/say? And given an autograph where would you want it? Happy New Year, Penny G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: bhillis@onramp.ca (Patricia Hillis) Subject: Joni on Blue Album cover Luke wrote: >I have been wondering for years just what Joni is doing on the cover of >"Blue". I believe that she is singing ....into a microphone Pat "life is for learning" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:33:50 -0500 From: "John Wasak" Subject: Re: Weepy Songs Ann writes: Subject: Happy New Year From: "Claud SansSoucie" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:30:50 -0500 Happy New Year to all of you! Just wanted to take a moment to reflect on last year, which brought me to this list and gave me the opportunity to meet some of you at the New England Jonifest! It was a highlight of 1998. I have since not been too active with this list simply because it requires more time than I can spare. Instead of reading and responding to messages for an hour each day, I have tried to pick up my guitar each day instead. And thanks to the wonderful guitar info on Wally's site, I have learned a few more Joni songs and generally had a lot of fun playing around. So forgive me for being such a postslacker but I have been reading my digests faithfully, developing a pretty good scrolling speed Since this is a new year and I don't foresee myself becoming independently wealthy with a lot of time to do all I wish I could do, I quickly want to extend my deepest appreciation (which is long overdue on my part) to Wally and Les for all their incredible work and dedication. Thank you so much and wish you the very BEST. Also, thanks to all of you for the great stories, information, tips, insights, opinions, jokes, and raw emotions. This is a most interesting gathering of people I have come across so far. I wish everyone a tremendously prosperous 1999 and many extraordinary Joni moments! Claud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:47:52 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: RLJ, van gogh, faves (NJC) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 16:29:10 +0000 From: BarBearUh hiya folks. happy new year! i've been doing the major skim lately, but had some time to catch up w/y'all this week. just a few things to comment about - -- on the subject of rickie lee jones... i've seen her 7 times over the past 8 (?) years. last time was a few months ago. the band wasn't very tight, but jones was not stoned (at least didn't seem it). she put on a very charming, intimate, rough show. the first time i saw her she was incredible (a two night gig with a full band at the release of 'flying cowboys' i think). then twice i saw her play solo (or just with rob wasserman playing bass) a year apart (the seeds of her album 'naked') and she could hold a big room just up there by her lonesome - fabulous. the ghostyhead show was the worst, but i still loved it. she was having a very bad night, with some terrible technical problems. she cut the show short because of it, but the experience was good, and very interesting. seeing rickie do trip hop a year or so after seeing her play solo acoustic was a great surprise. RLJ's work is very solid, and i wouldn't judge her entire career on the basis of one show - you're cheating yourself. someone wrote a response to this in re: to joni - if you based your impression of joni on one show you could really lose out. her last show in my area (before this year) was one in which she sang one or two songs, got pissed off at the audience for being loud (she was the headliner too!) and walked off the stage. the show before that she was a no show. this time around, she was good, but cut her show short by 4 or 5 songs. Pat wrote: "why is it that when a Van Gogh exibit hits town, the place isn't overrun with fans?" although the town is not overrun, vincent has not gone without extreme popularity. the exhibit in DC sold out its 3+month stay within a week. you have to show up at 6 or 7am on a weekend to get day-of passes. scalpers are selling the free passes for $100. the washington post has had at least 5 major features on the show since the news broke that it was headed our way. and of course, the jmdl provided a number of out-of-town fans in november to see the show. i've seen it three times - with some locals, with someone from NY and with jmdlers from various states. people talk about it at work, at parties, etc. [not that i disagree with your basic point - the more depth art/music/movies/et al have, often the smaller the audience for the work]. my movies for the year - 'life is beautiful' 'fast, cheap & out of control' honorable mention - 'celebrity' no one seems to have done the year's top albums? seems like a tradition around this time. here goes - Dave Matthews Band "before these crowded streets" Patricia Barber "modern cool" (thanks les) Smashing Pumpkins "adore" Joy Askew "when - a bootleg" Jeff Buckley "sketches for my sweetheart the drunk" VA "Heritage: New Interpretations of American Roots Music" (actually 1997, but i didn't discover it then. beautiful arrangements, fabulous violin playing, and jane siberry singing "o shenandoah"). honorable mentions: happy rhodes "many worlds are born tonight" elvis & burt "painted from memory" van morrison "philosopher's stone" louis armstrong "the masters". peace, barbara np: alanis, supposed former... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:33:51 EST From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Scarlett Conquering Ran across a quote just now that immediately reminded me of "Shades of Scarlett Conquering": "The cult of southern womanhood....requires [a female] to be frigid, passionate, sweet, bitchy, animated, and scatterbrained all at the same time....A horrifying number of us succeed, which accounts for that popular southern female pastime, having a breakdown." --Florence King, from _Southern Ladies and Gentlemen_ - --David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:00:37 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: NJC Favourite films of the year Shakespeare in Love was wunderful The X-Files Movie was also yummy A Bug's Life was cute... i didn't see many movies this year. - -mariana NP: Tori Amos, Crucify EP ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #3 ************************ There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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