From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest)
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JMDL Digest Saturday, January 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 002
The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes
by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery
username: jimdle password: siquomb
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Happy New Year [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)]
Meeting Joni at 60s clubs and on ferries [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)]
re:dusty springfield (NJC) ["John Villasana" ]
Re: Lennon vs. McCartney ["John Villasana" ]
Happy new year (NJC) [Dmascall@aol.com]
new year ["Wally Kairuz" ]
Tiger Bones ["sa" ]
New Year Resolution [Gertus@aol.com]
songs causing tears [Robbert ]
Weepy Songs [Madden ]
Re: Dylan tear jerkers NJC [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)]
Re: Weepy Songs [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: new year [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [RickieLee1@aol.com]
Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long) [RickieLee]
Millenium (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com]
The JMDL cure... [RickieLee1@aol.com]
Re: diary of a decade [catman ]
Re: new year's (NJC) [catman ]
Re: Top Movies of '98 (NJC) [catman ]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [catman ]
Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [catman ]
Re: The JMDL cure... [catman ]
New year resolutions [catman ]
Re: Millenium (NJC) [catman ]
Re: dusty springfield (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ]
J-card info for Macs repost (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long) [IVPAUL42@]
Re: This just in from Rolling Stone... [Randy Remote ]
Re: This just in from Rolling Stone... [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1 [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [TerryM2442@aol.c]
Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Millenium (NJC) [Mark or Travis ]
Re: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) [Bounced Message ]
Maybe a really stupid question... [LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)]
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 99 08:49:18 GMT
From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)
Subject: Happy New Year
Just a quick note to wish lots of health and happiness to all my fellow listers
in the comming year!
-Kenny
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 99 08:53:13 GMT
From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)
Subject: Meeting Joni at 60s clubs and on ferries
Michael Heath wrote:
>>I don't know why I never talked much about the Cellar. Plus, after my
>>story about re-meeting Mitchell on the ferry, I guess I thought it would
>>sound like I was bragging or something. And who knows,...if I had maybe it
>>would be me they were assaulting! :)
Hey Cul,
As someone who had the pleasure of hearing your "meeting Joni on the ferry"
story face-to-face, and seeing your eyes light up as you reconstructed pieces
of the conversation, I can assure you that there isn't a hint or trace of
bragging when you tell it, just your genuine amazement at getting to spend like
45 minutes with a woman whose work you've admired for a long time! Plus, it's
sure got to be a whole lot easier to recall things that happened 3 years ago
than to go back 30 years!
But if you remember some stories from the coffee house days, I'm sure we'd all
love to hear them! I think most of us are finding Pat's stories pretty
enlightening, and the more, the merrier!
Nice to see a post from you to the list!
-Kenny
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:24:37 -0600
From: "John Villasana"
Subject: re:dusty springfield (NJC)
who is this Dusty Springfield?
What are some of her more well known tunes or albums? Any suggestions for a beginner?
jOhn
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:43:38 -0600
From: "John Villasana"
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney
I allways saw Paul as the musical genius of the Beatles. I thought John supplied the grit, if you
will. Most of John's songs are musically pretty mundane (i.e. imagine, mother (silly). Maybe the
sentiments expressed were popular, but they were hardly revolutionary. His ideas were not new,
just newly popularized. John did write some decent songs, but nothing at the level of Hey Jude,
Yesterday, Long and Winding Road. I have to give John credit for giving the Beatles a sense of
urgency that helped them become socially relevent. In the long run, I prefer McCartneys gorgeous
melodies and simple but positive sentiments. John's rage just got a little silly to me after a
while. Plus, I lost respect for him when he hooked up with Yoko...but we've been there :-).
I wouldn't compare Joni to John. John never wrote anything as elegant and sophisticated as
Paprika Plains, Help Me, Coyote or Amelia. As for generational anthems, I can't relate...not my
generation. I was a late 70's, 80's guy. Joni would never let her spouse castrate her.
jOhn
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 05:15:28 EST
From: Dmascall@aol.com
Subject: Happy new year (NJC)
Happy new year to everybody from this particular corner of the UK.
I've been very firmly absent for a couple of months now due to work pressure
in the pre-Christmas period but hope to get back into the swing. The only
time I really got the chance to check over a few digests was possibly one of
the worst - I thought that the JMDL postings had gone over a cliff until I
twigged that it was Thanksgiving and many postees were otherwise engaged.
Have just watched the Jools Holland new year Hootenanny (I think that's how
you spell it) on BBC2 which included an awesome vocal performance from Sam
Browne - please check her out if you haven't already as she's an immensely
powerfull vocallist.
David Mascall
PS
the couple of months referred to above is of course a Welsh couple - a number
which can be anywhere between two and seven (or more if drinks are involved).
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:34:03 -0300
From: "Wally Kairuz"
Subject: new year
Happy new year, everybody!
I've been feeling a little under the weather lately, but I just had to get
out of bed to send a big hug to everyone on the list. This is my second New
Year's Day with you all, and it's been worth! I also want to welcome all
newbies and members that recently de-lurked, and say that I do miss a lot of
you who've either left or, like me, been posting infrequently. A special
greeting to Julie Z and Patrick Leader: you're greatly missed guys!
Love, money and love to all Joniphiles
WallyK
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:03:12 +0100
From: "sa"
Subject: Tiger Bones
Ever tried "Tiger Bones" on continuous play mode on your CD player? Try
it today. Guaranteed to remedy any New Year's day hangover.
Ciao,
Sergio
sa@seldati.it
http://www.ecn.org/circ.a
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:20:06 EST
From: Gertus@aol.com
Subject: New Year Resolution
I've been thinking that my NY resolution this year should be to try to break
my Joni addiction. This would leave me with much more time for my family, my
work, jobs around the house, shopping, cooking and, maybe, even gardening. My
first step would probably have to be to leave this list but that would surely
be too drastic and cold turkey. How about removing all Joni tapes from my car?
What would I listen to then? and anyway that doesn't really do anyone any harm
does it? I could stop subscribing to tape trees and video trees, I suppose,
but what would I be missing?
I think I need help. Anyone got any ideas?
I think, just for a start, my first step will be not to go straight to the
Joni section when I enter a record store but to look at something else first.
Well it's a start isn't it?
Happy New Year to all,
Jacky
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:13:47 +0100
From: Robbert
Subject: songs causing tears
These songs brought tears whilst driving throughout the U.S. and Canada
in October during my week on the road with Joni.
Peter Gabriel - Red Rain
Joni - Night Ride Home (during the show in Indianapolis)
Sarah McLachlan - Angel
Sarah McLachlan - I Will Remember You
Best 1999-wishes to all, especially Sue, Amy, Terry and the rest of the
Detroit group, and fellow Dutchman John
Robbert
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 09:23:19 -0500
From: Madden
Subject: Weepy Songs
John Wasak wrote -
<>
John, there is a song called Whispering Pines on the Horse Whisperer
soundtrack which is song by Iris Dement - I absolutely love it. The first
time I heard this I couldn't believe how beautiful it was and Iris has such
a unique incredible voice!
I am wondering if this is the same song you are talking about. Is it on
the Last Waltz and who wrote it?
Thanks.
Anne
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:46:40 -0500 (EST)
From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)
Subject: Re: Dylan tear jerkers NJC
A Dylan fan counters with these non-angry, non-cynical tunes penned by
the Zimster himself:
>Girl From The North Country
>Boots of Spanish Leather
>One Too Many Mornings
>I Threw It All Away
>One More Night
> You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When
>You Go etc.. etc...
>somebody's got to do it...
>Les
>To Les' list, I would add "Sign in the
>Window" and "Sad-eyed Lady of the
>Lowlands."
>Paul I
And I would add "Sweetheart Like You" which gets me everytime.
gdave
NP: Jorma Kaukonen 1/1/85
Lone Star Cafe, NYC
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:50:20 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Weepy Songs
In a message dated 1/1/99 9:24:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
amadden@bconnex.net writes:
<< I am wondering if this is the same song you are talking about. Is it on
the Last Waltz and who wrote it?
Thanks.
Anne >>
Anne,
Not having seen The Horse Whisperer, I cannot say whether that song is the
Robbie Robertson version or not. The Band's version is on the album simply
titled "The Band."
Paul I
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:15:01 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: new year
And to Chilihead! I miss him the most... :(
At 8:34 AM -0300 1/1/99, Wally Kairuz wrote:
> A special greeting to Julie Z and Patrick Leader: you're greatly missed guys!
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:48:01 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans
In a message dated 12/31/98 10:15:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ondulees@bc.sympatico.ca writes:
<< .If you've got a man, you've got to
have a woman on the side ;~D >>
oh horny mcbabe, i suppose the next thing you're going to tell us is that a
woman must have everything!!!
happy new year! (the last 365 days of the 20th century...the last year of
the last decade of the last century of the f-ing millenium. how cool is
that??? make it count!)
love, ric
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:48:05 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long)
In a message dated 1/1/99 1:44:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
refab@neptune.ConnectI.com writes:
<< John did write some decent songs, but nothing at the level of Hey Jude,
Yesterday, Long and Winding Road. >>
groan. but we don't need to argue. lennon v mccartney? maybe neither one
would have happened without the other. and they were both brilliant. and
they both wrote some great songs.
but i get so sick and tired of people pissing on yoko. i've never really
understood it, except that maybe it comes from some racist place. do we feel
that we OWN some celebrities, to the point that we have veto power over their
choice of spouse? whatever you may think of her musical talents (which never
did a thing for me, altho it is interesting that there are about as many now
who consider her influential and important as there are who continue to think
of her as a joke) or her artistic talents (which were considerable. at the
very least her art was interesting and challenging. and yes, at times it was
silly and trite - not unlike the solo output of paul mccartney). but she was
the woman lennon loved, had a child and made a life with. she took care of
him, and i would wager he was not easy to live with. and she has respected
and cherished his legacy in countless charities, a gorgeous section of central
park that she helped fund and design, and most recently in a well received
boxed collection of cd's that honors rather than exploits his memory. i doubt
very much anyone castrated anyone in that relationship. what - do you think
the lyrics he penned (watching the wheels, for example...woman, for example -
and countless others on every record he produced) were all lies? designed to
disguise the reality that you and so many others feel they knew more
accurately than lennon himself? its so mean! he loved her! he credited her
with saving his life, his career and his music! (and now, sadly, his legacy)
what do YOU think, he just made all that up? was she practicing some japanese
voodoo on him? read the lyrics to woman. do you think she was holding a gun
to his head or a knife to his balls to make him write those words?
i still have that issue of rolling stone with the famous, if not notorious
photo by annie lebowitz on the cover, that she took the afternoon he was
killed. you've all seen it. yoko fully dressed, lying on the floor; lennon
naked with his leg and arms wrapped around her, clinging to her while she has
this serene, transcendent look on her face. that photo is so profound and so
moving. he told annie l. that she had captured the essence of their
relationship with that image. no matter what you may think, and for whatever
reason you may choose to think it - it is clear that up until the last moment;
the very day he was murdered by that stupid fuck, she was his lifeline and his
savior, his mother, his lover...she was what he needed her to be. give yoko a
break. we should all be so lucky.
sigh. it is still so terribly sad that he is gone.
"we may cry someday. but the tears will dry, which ever way. and when our
hearts return to ashes, we'll be just a story."
- yoko ono
love, ric
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:06:38 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Millenium (NJC)
In a message dated 1/1/99 9:51:16 AM Central Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com
writes:
<< (the last 365 days of the 20th century...the last year of
the last decade of the last century of the f-ing millenium. how cool is
that??? make it count!) >>
Technically, of course, the year 2000 will be the last year of the 20th
century, but the media & others who stand to profit by the year-end stuff will
continue to squelch that information rapidly as they have already done. After
all, there was not a year "0", so Year 1 was the first year of the first
century; likewise 2001 will be the first year of the 21st century. Certainly a
minor point as time is all relative anyway...:~)
Bob M. in SC
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:09:06 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: The JMDL cure...
In a message dated 1/1/99 5:22:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, Gertus@aol.com
writes:
<< I've been thinking that my NY resolution this year should be to try to
break
my Joni addiction. This would leave me with much more time for my family, my
work, jobs around the house, shopping, cooking and, maybe, even gardening >>
i have spoken with betty ford and she wanted me to tell you that she has made
up a room for you in her clinic, way in the back. she says the cure is
extreme, but effective and that it sounds like you need it bad. from what i
understand they pipe in these compilation tapes with selections from all
joni's albums and then zap you every time your body starts to sway, your foot
starts to tap, or you start to humm with this electric cattle prod thingy.
ZAP!! while all this is going on, specialized deprogrammers pretty much tie
you to a chair and scream and shout in your ear about that evil cult, the
jmdl...how sinister its hold is on the minds of its members. (as we all know
so well.) how joni is not a god, and wally is NOT a prophet and les just
some sharpy entrepeneur.
throw in a little sensory deprivation and some ice water immersion and you can
return to your loved ones a recovered joni addict. takes about a month and
they have a sliding scale fee arrangement. oh yea, they DO accept blue cross.
good luck to you! let us know how it all works out!!! (well, on second
thought, maybe you better not...)
love and best wishes, ric
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:17:30 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: diary of a decade
YES! I was in Tower the other day and they have an HDCD versian-says from
the orignal Master Tape. Also HDCD versians of MOA and S&L.
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:18:30 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: new year's (NJC)
No-the year 2000 is a leap year.
Mark Domyancich wrote:
> I'm guessing 365 (Is '99 a leap year?).
>
> Oh, and what will it be of? (Cat, dog, wombat, yellow bellied
> sapsucker, dodo bird, etc.)
>
> Mark, who wishes everyone a great 1999!
>
> At 1:12 PM -0500 12/31/98, MHart16164@aol.com wrote:
> > One question before I go, just how many times do you think we'll have to
> > listen to Prince's 1999????????????
>
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:20:53 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Top Movies of '98 (NJC)
I forgot about Spitfire Grill-very good and SAM was the funniest film I have
ever seen.
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:33:59 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
Dusty Springfield was awarded the OBE this New Year. Unfortunately, she is
being nursed at home dying from cancer.
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:34:45 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Carly mentions Joni JC
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:02:07 -0500
From: "Julie Z. Webb"
At last night's party, someone was talking about Howard Stern interviewing
Carly Simon the other day on his show. He went on to say that Howard had
asked Carly if Jackson Brown really "beat up" his girlfriend. Carly replied
something like "I wasn't sure till I heard the lyrics hinting at this on a
recent Joni Mitchell song."
- -Julie Z. Webb, unsu.bscribed but still the posessor of roving reporter
tendendies for all things pertaining to JM in the media
And Happy New Year to all of you out there in Jmdland:
http://www.visint.com/christmas.JPG
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:38:24 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans
Bounced Message wrote:
> From: "Eric Taylor"
> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:11:46 -0500
>
> John Villasana wrote:
>
> >I like to pump iron when I listen to Hejira.
>
> Good one John!
> I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men
> last....
Obviously you have tried the wrong men.
> ;~O
> E.T.
> NP: Love Puts On A New Face (makes me smile)
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:59:19 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: The JMDL cure...
Joni Anonymous
Step 1:
We admitted we were powerless over Joni-and that our lives had become unmanageble.
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:59:11 +0000
From: catman
Subject: New year resolutions
Today is the first day of the new year. Thinking about resolutions I
relaised that i really would much prefer not to have resentment in my
life.
With this in mind, I wish that Ric and Mark D, recieve everything in
their life that I would wish for myself-peace.
Now there are a few closer to home I guess I am going to have to deal
with also but that is much harder!
Small steps.
love
colin
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:59:25 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC)
Exactly Bob. I was considering saying the same thing but wasn't in the mood for
shit today!
It is quite simple-having turned 40 a coupla weeks ago, my 40th year does not end
till my 41st. I don't know why people find this so hard to comprhend.
The centruy ends at midnight, 31/12/2000.
So there!
RMuRocks@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/1/99 9:51:16 AM Central Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << (the last 365 days of the 20th century...the last year of
> the last decade of the last century of the f-ing millenium. how cool is
> that??? make it count!) >>
>
> Technically, of course, the year 2000 will be the last year of the 20th
> century, but the media & others who stand to profit by the year-end stuff will
> continue to squelch that information rapidly as they have already done. After
> all, there was not a year "0", so Year 1 was the first year of the first
> century; likewise 2001 will be the first year of the 21st century. Certainly a
> minor point as time is all relative anyway...:~)
>
> Bob M. in SC
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:04:04 -0500
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: dusty springfield (NJC)
John Villasana wrote:
>
> who is this Dusty Springfield?
>
> What are some of her more well known tunes or albums? Any suggestions for a beginner?
>
> jOhn
The greatest of the pop "girl singers" of the 60's and 70's. Surely
you've heard:
I Only Want to Be With You
Wishin' and Hopin'
Anyone Who Had a Heart
You Don't Have to Say You Love Me
The Look of Love
Son of a Preacher Man
Windmills of You Mind
What Have I Done to Deserve This?
and many more.
Dusty In Memphis is her classic, with The Dusty Springfield Anthology
being the best retrospective collection to date.
Jerry
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:12:31 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: J-card info for Macs repost (NJC)
Hi everyone!
In case some new people have joined, I have updated my j-card page
for Macs. I'm going to see if there's a more recent version of the
Tape Labeler software-it crashed several times when I had 8.1, but
with 8.5.1 it seems stable enough. I've also put all the j-cards in
one .sit file.
http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/jcard/
Mark
NP-Neil Young-Out On The Weekend
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:08:53 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long)
In a message dated 1/1/99 10:50:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
RickieLee1@aol.com writes:
<< sigh. it is still so terribly sad that he is gone.
"we may cry someday. but the tears will dry, which ever way. and when our
hearts return to ashes, we'll be just a story."
- yoko ono >>
Thanks, ric, for once again expressing my feelings as well.
To me McCarntney's post-Beatle output amounts to "Maybe I'm Amazed," a couple
of other worthwhile tunes and a bunch of silly love songs that anyone could
have written and I could do without. In sum total, they do not amount to the
substance of the songs from "Plastic Ono Band," "Imagine" or "Double Fantasy,"
let alone any of the singles such as "Give Peace a Chance," "Cold Turkey" and
"Woman is the Nigger of the World." They are songs about life and changes.
I have missed John every single day since he was taken from us.
Paul I
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 11:10:53 -0800
From: Randy Remote
Subject: Re: This just in from Rolling Stone...
RMuRocks@aol.com wrote:
> Well, the annual "best of the year" issue is out, and our Joni's got some
> mentions! In the category "Best Tour, Pearl Jam wins, but honorable mention
> goes to Bob Dylan-Joni Mitchell-Van Morrison tour.
>
> Joni gets "Most Welcome Comeback" (Gee fellas, maybe you could have welcomed
> her in style with a cover...or AT LEAST a record review...
>
> Bob M. in SC
Also none other than Brian Wilson had TTT as first choice in his list of
favorite 1998 albums!!!
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:09:16 -0000
From: philipf@tinet.ie
Subject: Re: Happy new year (NJC)
David wrote:
>Have just watched the Jools Holland new year Hootenanny (I think that's
how
>you spell it) on BBC2 which included an awesome vocal performance from Sam
>Browne - please check her out if you haven't already as she's an immensely
>powerfull vocallist.
I've just been watching last night's Hootenanny as well. To me the star
of the show was Tom Jones.
Philip
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:09:05 -0000
From: philipf@tinet.ie
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
Ric said:
>lennon was a giant! mccartney, not to take a
>thing away from him, would have never gotten a second glance without john
>galvanizing a generation!!!
Lennon galvanised a generation. Is that how it was ? Sorry
to have to tell you Ric, that it wasn't really like that at all. I remember
how we watched Lennon's bed in's and various other antics with a
mixture of mirth and embarrassment, like the time he posed naked
showing us his fat belly and small willy on the cover of Two Virgins
(or one of those other unlistenable albums he made with Yoko). I
recall Lennon talking a lot of bollocks about the revolution but he
never actually did anything did he ? And then later there was that
unfortunate lost weekend in the 70's when he really earned his
reputation as a prat.
I cried when Lennon died but I don't see a need to rewrite the
history books because of that tragedy. The dream had been
over for about twelve years by that time anyway.
Philip
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:48:02 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long)
In a message dated 1/1/99 2:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com
writes:
<< To me McCarntney's post-Beatle output amounts to "Maybe I'm Amazed," a
couple
of other worthwhile tunes and a bunch of silly love songs that anyone could
have written and I could do without. >>
First off, it's spelled McCartney ; )
My take on Lennon/McCartney is that John was a finer lyricist, whereas Paul
had the upper hand in writing melodies. John had the hard edge, and Paul
sweetened it.
In Paul's defense, there are some gorgeous songs on his post Beatles albums
that have been so overlooked- Little Willow, on Flaming Pie is just one recent
example. Of course, there's been a ton of muck he's written as well...
Terry
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:57:48 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC)
In a message dated 1/1/99 10:21:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes:
<< Exactly Bob. I was considering saying the same thing but wasn't in the mood
for
shit today!
It is quite simple-having turned 40 a coupla weeks ago, my 40th year does not
end
till my 41st. I don't know why people find this so hard to comprhend.
The centruy ends at midnight, 31/12/2000.
So there!
>>
oh you technical guys. i stand corrected! either way, its still pretty cool
and i hope i am around to see it come to pass, whenever date that might be!
(delayed gratification has never been my strong suit...)
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:57:52 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 1/1/99 11:36:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, philipf@tinet.ie
writes:
<<
I cried when Lennon died but I don't see a need to rewrite the
history books because of that tragedy. The dream had been
over for about twelve years by that time anyway.
>>
well, differences of opinion are what this list is all about. but i think
yours is in the minority, not that that takes a thing away from its value or
my interest in hearing it. i think we can both agree that they both made some
pretty important contributions to music and culture and are deserving of all
the accolades anyone wants to give them. now...how about that ringo?
peace. ric
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:07:21 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 1/1/99 2:14:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, philipf@tinet.ie
writes:
<< I
recall Lennon talking a lot of bollocks about the revolution but he
never actually did anything did he ? >>
Well, Phillip, I think it is obvious you were out of the loop,so to pseak,
during that period.
As for Lennon doing anything, I think his song "Revolution" did more to help
focus people on the issues and expose the phonies than anything else that came
out during that time. And there wre plenty of phonies who were marching
against the war and thne marching on Earth Day just to pick up chicks or
whatever.
Were you one of those?
Paul I
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:09:45 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long)
In a message dated 1/1/99 2:50:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com
writes:
<< First off, it's spelled McCartney ; ) >>
Hey, Terry, at least I spelled his first name right.
Sorry about the typo on your hero.
I know we've been over this ground before.
Paul I
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:14:37 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 1/1/99 3:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com
writes:
<< now...how about that ringo?
>>
Consistant drummer who didn't take away from the main focus of the other
Beatles.
Terry
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:29:48 EST
From: Bolvangar@aol.com
Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC)
Colin wrote:
<>
Wouldn't your 40th year have ended when you turned 40? Your first year would
have been from the time you were born until the time you turned one. IMHO.
- --David
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:54:38 EST
From: SDWS10@aol.com
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1
hey...Stephen from texas here....i have lived everywhere....New York, The
Everywheres.....what is this fuss my dear??
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:56:07 EST
From: SDWS10@aol.com
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1
Wisper words of wisdom..let it be
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:21:21 -0500
From: scott@scott-adams.com (Scott Adams)
Subject: Another Joni - James Taylor MP3
This is what I posted to the James Taylor groups, I know you all would like
to know this too, so forgive my "cut and paste" by my fingers are still
recovering from my partying!
Happy 1999!!
________________
James Taylor MP3 Update - http://www.scott-adams.com/taylor.htm
Ok, you all have had a chance to enjoy your holidays and celebrate this
brand spankin' new year, so I trust that you can focus your eyes well
enough to read your e-mail. As a prize for this effort, I have posted two
rare songs to the James Taylor MP3 Site!!!
1.) The Circle Game, Joni Mitchell & James Taylor, 1970
This is a Joni Mitchell Classic that was performed during the joint JM/JT
Concert for the BBC in 1970. It is nothing short of fantastic, and a
great transition into Joni's music for those who are not versed in her
work. A must hear for all JT fans, and a rare treat indeed.
2.) Rainy Day Man (LIVE)
This is a live version of Rainy Day Man from 1970. A rare treat for live
audiences, as it is not a normal part of James' set! COme and hear what
made an American Legend.
So, please enjoy the new music, and keep in touch! More to come!
- -- Scott
http://www.scott-adams.com/taylor.htm
_____________________________________________________
"Beware the man who works hard to learn something, learns it,
then finds himself no wiser than before."
-- Kurt Vonnegut
_____________________________________________________
http://www.scott-adams.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:34:58 -0000
From: philipf@tinet.ie
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote
>I think his song "Revolution" did more to help
>focus people on the issues and expose the phonies than anything else
As far as i recall he couldn't make up his mind on that tune whether
he wanted to be counted "in" or "out".
Both Lennon and McCartney were heroes to me. But I feel that
McCartney has been treated very unfairly by the press.
He seemed to retain a sense of decency and dignity - the kind
of attributes which are not valued very highly by the entertainment
industry.
Philip
NP Nyro and Labelle - Gonna take a miracle
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:39:40 EST
From: Ginamu@aol.com
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1
I'm commenting on the letters defending Dylan as having many moving songs. Ok,
perhaps I am mistaken, however, I still believe (and I am a Dylan fan, though
obviously I am not THE biggest Dylan fan) that he is always somewhat detached
emotionally. Maybe it's the delivery, rather than the lyrics themselves. Oh,
boy...I think I'm leaving myself wide open to some reprimands from all of you
Dylanites...yikes! I'm thinking now how truly beautiful Boots Of Spanish
Leather is and how I love it so as recorded by Nanci Griffith, who just
caresses that song with her rather quirky but emotional voice. Look, I'm no
Dylan expert, okay??? . I'm just talkin', man !
Gina
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:42:04 -0000
From: philipf@tinet.ie
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
wrote
>...how about that ringo?
yeah lovely singer and a great actor.
Philip
NP Laura Nyro - The bells
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:55:07 -0800
From: Susan Chaloner
Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans
RickieLee1@aol.com wrote:
> oh horny mcbabe, i suppose the next thing you're going to tell us is that a
> woman must have everything!!!
How did you guess? ;~D
> happy new year!
Happy Millenium each and everyone...I fully intend to seduce you all ;~D
How's that for making it count ric dear? ;~D
Susan L.A.
Horny McBabe-"...a woman must have everything..."-JoniM
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:03:40 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Re: This just in from Rolling Stone...
In a message dated 1/1/99 1:14:17 PM Central Standard Time,
guitarzan@saber.net writes:
<<
Also none other than Brian Wilson had TTT as first choice in his list of
favorite 1998 albums!!!
>>
Nice eagle-eyes, Randy - I gave those lists the once-over to see if any celebs
picked TTT and missed it!
Bob
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:13:10 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either)
In a message dated 1/1/99 1:50:18 PM Central Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com
writes:
<< My take on Lennon/McCartney is that John was a finer lyricist, whereas Paul
had the upper hand in writing melodies. John had the hard edge, and Paul
sweetened it. >>
I agree with this statement although according to George Martin, there was
only ONE song on which the two truly collaborated and that was A Day In The
Life. Lennon's part, obviously, is "I read the news today oh boy" parts while
Paul's contribution is the segue starting with "Woke up, fell out of bed...".
Every other song was either a McCartney song or a Lennon song.
Bob
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:30:58 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 1/1/99 5:38:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, philipf@tinet.ie
writes:
<< As far as i recall he couldn't make up his mind on that tune whether
he wanted to be counted "in" or "out". >>
Because "if you were looking for people with minds that hate, all I can tell
you, brother, is you'll have to wait."
John wanted to change the world, but in a peaceful way, and was turned OFF by
those who wanted a violent revolution.
Paul I
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:32:39 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1
In a message dated 1/1/99 5:43:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ginamu@aol.com
writes:
<< however, I still believe (and I am a Dylan fan, though
obviously I am not THE biggest Dylan fan) that he is always somewhat detached
emotionally. Maybe it's the delivery, rather than the lyrics themselves. >>
And no one has yet mentioned "Don't think twice, it's all right," which gets
to me. I don't think Dylan is detached emotionally in that one or "Sign in the
Window."
Paul I
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:39:02 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either)
In a message dated 1/1/99 6:17:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com
writes:
<< Lennon's part, obviously, is "I read the news today oh boy" parts while
Paul's contribution is the segue starting with "Woke up, fell out of bed...".
Every other song was either a McCartney song or a Lennon song. >>
I think it is also true of "We Can Work It Out," in which Paul wrote the
verses and John contributed the "Life is very short, and there's no time
for fussing and fighting my friend.
I have always thought
that it's a crime
so I will tell you once again."
According to an interview with John I once read, they each had a knack for
filling in the bridges in each other's songs, at least early on.
They also are supposed to have collaborated on the song they gave to the
Rolling Stones, which they wrote in 15 minutes or less, after the Stones asked
them to write one for them. What was that one?
Paul I
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:46:48 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either)
In a message dated 1/1/99 7:39:02 PM Central Standard Time, IVPAUL42 writes:
<< I think it is also true of "We Can Work It Out," in which Paul wrote the
verses and John contributed the "Life is very short, and there's no time
for fussing and fighting my friend.
I have always thought
that it's a crime
so I will tell you once again.">>
Paul, that certainly sounds to be the case doesn't it? I was just going on
what I had read.
<>
Good trivia - you got me on that one...Bob
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:54:44 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either)
In a message dated 1/1/99 10:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com
writes:
<< They also are supposed to have collaborated on the song they gave to the
Rolling Stones, which they wrote in 15 minutes or less, after the Stones
asked
them to write one for them. What was that one? >>
Didn't the give the Stones "Boys", or did someone else write that?
Terry
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:07:09 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either)
In a message dated 1/1/99 10:57:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
TerryM2442@aol.com writes:
<<
Didn't the give the Stones "Boys", or did someone else write that?
>>
No, that wasn't the one. Darn, can't think of it. Not sure if the Beatles ever
recorded it, probably didn't.
Paul I
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 21:29:09 -0800
From: Mark or Travis
Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC)
catman wrote:
>
> Exactly Bob. I was considering saying the same thing but wasn't in the mood for
> shit today!
> It is quite simple-having turned 40 a coupla weeks ago, my 40th year does not end
> till my 41st. I don't know why people find this so hard to comprhend.
> The centruy ends at midnight, 31/12/2000.
You are correct about the millennium but not about your age (unless you
do things differently in GB). Your first birthday comes one year after
your birth. So on your fortieth birthday you have indeed lived for a
full forty years and are beginning your 41st year of life.
Mark in Seattle wishing all a belated Happy New Year!!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:59:59 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:26:07 -0800 (PST)
From: "bern.gallagher"
Right on, Paul, I'm only 27 and I'm quite sure you're much older than me.
Happy New Year, JMDL.
I'm way behind on reading, but you know how it is.
Today listened to TI and The Dawntreader (wasn't ready for the whole
STAS thing right then and there, enjoying it slowly.
I'd like to recommend Louise Erdrich to those of you who haven't read her.
Her writing style reminds me of Her Holiness.
B.-
I looked at the granite markers.
- ----------
> In a message dated 12/15/98 5:26:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> t3100171@student.anu.edu.au writes:
>
> <<
> I'm sorry but, there is no way I could restrict it to just 5 albums so,
> here's my top 10 albums of all time:
> >>
> Why is it some people feel they don't have to play by the rules?
> Especially some 24-year-old. Doesn't he know most of us have heard twice as
> many albums as he has?
> Paul I
> (putting on my flame-retardant suit)
> NP: G&I Gershwin (from Great American Songwriters series)
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:14:46 -0800 (PST)
From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)
Subject: Maybe a really stupid question...
Okay, I've decided to be out with it and ask a question that has a
(probably) very obvious answer. Probably because of how naive I am, I
have been wondering for years just what Joni is doing on the cover of
"Blue". Because of the dark cover, I can't tell what's she got either
in her mouth or by her face. I thought it might be a pipe, but I wasn't
sure. And it's not like I can just call up a friend and say "Hey, what
IS that with Joni in that picture?" because none of my friends (to
their great loss) have "Blue". So I'm probably really shaming myself by
asking that question, but I just have to know!
And one more thing... why is it that on "LOTC", the song is called "For
Free" and in "MOA" it's "Real Good For Free"? Who changed it and why?
Thanks for the help and understanding (I hope)!
Luke
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