From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #2 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, January 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 002 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Happy New Year [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Meeting Joni at 60s clubs and on ferries [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] re:dusty springfield (NJC) ["John Villasana" ] Re: Lennon vs. McCartney ["John Villasana" ] Happy new year (NJC) [Dmascall@aol.com] new year ["Wally Kairuz" ] Tiger Bones ["sa" ] New Year Resolution [Gertus@aol.com] songs causing tears [Robbert ] Weepy Songs [Madden ] Re: Dylan tear jerkers NJC [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Weepy Songs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: new year [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long) [RickieLee] Millenium (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] The JMDL cure... [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: diary of a decade [catman ] Re: new year's (NJC) [catman ] Re: Top Movies of '98 (NJC) [catman ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [catman ] Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [catman ] Re: The JMDL cure... [catman ] New year resolutions [catman ] Re: Millenium (NJC) [catman ] Re: dusty springfield (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] J-card info for Macs repost (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long) [IVPAUL42@] Re: This just in from Rolling Stone... [Randy Remote ] Re: This just in from Rolling Stone... [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [TerryM2442@aol.c] Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Millenium (NJC) [Mark or Travis ] Re: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) [Bounced Message ] Maybe a really stupid question... [LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Jan 99 08:49:18 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Happy New Year Just a quick note to wish lots of health and happiness to all my fellow listers in the comming year! -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 99 08:53:13 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Meeting Joni at 60s clubs and on ferries Michael Heath wrote: >>I don't know why I never talked much about the Cellar. Plus, after my >>story about re-meeting Mitchell on the ferry, I guess I thought it would >>sound like I was bragging or something. And who knows,...if I had maybe it >>would be me they were assaulting! :) Hey Cul, As someone who had the pleasure of hearing your "meeting Joni on the ferry" story face-to-face, and seeing your eyes light up as you reconstructed pieces of the conversation, I can assure you that there isn't a hint or trace of bragging when you tell it, just your genuine amazement at getting to spend like 45 minutes with a woman whose work you've admired for a long time! Plus, it's sure got to be a whole lot easier to recall things that happened 3 years ago than to go back 30 years! But if you remember some stories from the coffee house days, I'm sure we'd all love to hear them! I think most of us are finding Pat's stories pretty enlightening, and the more, the merrier! Nice to see a post from you to the list! -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:24:37 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: re:dusty springfield (NJC) who is this Dusty Springfield? What are some of her more well known tunes or albums? Any suggestions for a beginner? jOhn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:43:38 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney I allways saw Paul as the musical genius of the Beatles. I thought John supplied the grit, if you will. Most of John's songs are musically pretty mundane (i.e. imagine, mother (silly). Maybe the sentiments expressed were popular, but they were hardly revolutionary. His ideas were not new, just newly popularized. John did write some decent songs, but nothing at the level of Hey Jude, Yesterday, Long and Winding Road. I have to give John credit for giving the Beatles a sense of urgency that helped them become socially relevent. In the long run, I prefer McCartneys gorgeous melodies and simple but positive sentiments. John's rage just got a little silly to me after a while. Plus, I lost respect for him when he hooked up with Yoko...but we've been there :-). I wouldn't compare Joni to John. John never wrote anything as elegant and sophisticated as Paprika Plains, Help Me, Coyote or Amelia. As for generational anthems, I can't relate...not my generation. I was a late 70's, 80's guy. Joni would never let her spouse castrate her. jOhn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 05:15:28 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Happy new year (NJC) Happy new year to everybody from this particular corner of the UK. I've been very firmly absent for a couple of months now due to work pressure in the pre-Christmas period but hope to get back into the swing. The only time I really got the chance to check over a few digests was possibly one of the worst - I thought that the JMDL postings had gone over a cliff until I twigged that it was Thanksgiving and many postees were otherwise engaged. Have just watched the Jools Holland new year Hootenanny (I think that's how you spell it) on BBC2 which included an awesome vocal performance from Sam Browne - please check her out if you haven't already as she's an immensely powerfull vocallist. David Mascall PS the couple of months referred to above is of course a Welsh couple - a number which can be anywhere between two and seven (or more if drinks are involved). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:34:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: new year Happy new year, everybody! I've been feeling a little under the weather lately, but I just had to get out of bed to send a big hug to everyone on the list. This is my second New Year's Day with you all, and it's been worth! I also want to welcome all newbies and members that recently de-lurked, and say that I do miss a lot of you who've either left or, like me, been posting infrequently. A special greeting to Julie Z and Patrick Leader: you're greatly missed guys! Love, money and love to all Joniphiles WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:03:12 +0100 From: "sa" Subject: Tiger Bones Ever tried "Tiger Bones" on continuous play mode on your CD player? Try it today. Guaranteed to remedy any New Year's day hangover. Ciao, Sergio sa@seldati.it http://www.ecn.org/circ.a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:20:06 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: New Year Resolution I've been thinking that my NY resolution this year should be to try to break my Joni addiction. This would leave me with much more time for my family, my work, jobs around the house, shopping, cooking and, maybe, even gardening. My first step would probably have to be to leave this list but that would surely be too drastic and cold turkey. How about removing all Joni tapes from my car? What would I listen to then? and anyway that doesn't really do anyone any harm does it? I could stop subscribing to tape trees and video trees, I suppose, but what would I be missing? I think I need help. Anyone got any ideas? I think, just for a start, my first step will be not to go straight to the Joni section when I enter a record store but to look at something else first. Well it's a start isn't it? Happy New Year to all, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:13:47 +0100 From: Robbert Subject: songs causing tears These songs brought tears whilst driving throughout the U.S. and Canada in October during my week on the road with Joni. Peter Gabriel - Red Rain Joni - Night Ride Home (during the show in Indianapolis) Sarah McLachlan - Angel Sarah McLachlan - I Will Remember You Best 1999-wishes to all, especially Sue, Amy, Terry and the rest of the Detroit group, and fellow Dutchman John Robbert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 09:23:19 -0500 From: Madden Subject: Weepy Songs John Wasak wrote - <> John, there is a song called Whispering Pines on the Horse Whisperer soundtrack which is song by Iris Dement - I absolutely love it. The first time I heard this I couldn't believe how beautiful it was and Iris has such a unique incredible voice! I am wondering if this is the same song you are talking about. Is it on the Last Waltz and who wrote it? Thanks. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:46:40 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Dylan tear jerkers NJC A Dylan fan counters with these non-angry, non-cynical tunes penned by the Zimster himself:   >Girl From The North Country >Boots of Spanish Leather >One Too Many Mornings >I Threw It All Away >One More Night > You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When >You Go etc.. etc...  >somebody's got to do it... >Les >To Les' list, I would add "Sign in the >Window" and "Sad-eyed Lady of the >Lowlands." >Paul I And I would add "Sweetheart Like You" which gets me everytime. gdave NP: Jorma Kaukonen 1/1/85 Lone Star Cafe, NYC - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:50:20 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Weepy Songs In a message dated 1/1/99 9:24:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, amadden@bconnex.net writes: << I am wondering if this is the same song you are talking about. Is it on the Last Waltz and who wrote it? Thanks. Anne >> Anne, Not having seen The Horse Whisperer, I cannot say whether that song is the Robbie Robertson version or not. The Band's version is on the album simply titled "The Band." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:15:01 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: new year And to Chilihead! I miss him the most... :( At 8:34 AM -0300 1/1/99, Wally Kairuz wrote: > A special greeting to Julie Z and Patrick Leader: you're greatly missed guys! ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:48:01 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans In a message dated 12/31/98 10:15:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, ondulees@bc.sympatico.ca writes: << .If you've got a man, you've got to have a woman on the side ;~D >> oh horny mcbabe, i suppose the next thing you're going to tell us is that a woman must have everything!!! happy new year! (the last 365 days of the 20th century...the last year of the last decade of the last century of the f-ing millenium. how cool is that??? make it count!) love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:48:05 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long) In a message dated 1/1/99 1:44:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, refab@neptune.ConnectI.com writes: << John did write some decent songs, but nothing at the level of Hey Jude, Yesterday, Long and Winding Road. >> groan. but we don't need to argue. lennon v mccartney? maybe neither one would have happened without the other. and they were both brilliant. and they both wrote some great songs. but i get so sick and tired of people pissing on yoko. i've never really understood it, except that maybe it comes from some racist place. do we feel that we OWN some celebrities, to the point that we have veto power over their choice of spouse? whatever you may think of her musical talents (which never did a thing for me, altho it is interesting that there are about as many now who consider her influential and important as there are who continue to think of her as a joke) or her artistic talents (which were considerable. at the very least her art was interesting and challenging. and yes, at times it was silly and trite - not unlike the solo output of paul mccartney). but she was the woman lennon loved, had a child and made a life with. she took care of him, and i would wager he was not easy to live with. and she has respected and cherished his legacy in countless charities, a gorgeous section of central park that she helped fund and design, and most recently in a well received boxed collection of cd's that honors rather than exploits his memory. i doubt very much anyone castrated anyone in that relationship. what - do you think the lyrics he penned (watching the wheels, for example...woman, for example - and countless others on every record he produced) were all lies? designed to disguise the reality that you and so many others feel they knew more accurately than lennon himself? its so mean! he loved her! he credited her with saving his life, his career and his music! (and now, sadly, his legacy) what do YOU think, he just made all that up? was she practicing some japanese voodoo on him? read the lyrics to woman. do you think she was holding a gun to his head or a knife to his balls to make him write those words? i still have that issue of rolling stone with the famous, if not notorious photo by annie lebowitz on the cover, that she took the afternoon he was killed. you've all seen it. yoko fully dressed, lying on the floor; lennon naked with his leg and arms wrapped around her, clinging to her while she has this serene, transcendent look on her face. that photo is so profound and so moving. he told annie l. that she had captured the essence of their relationship with that image. no matter what you may think, and for whatever reason you may choose to think it - it is clear that up until the last moment; the very day he was murdered by that stupid fuck, she was his lifeline and his savior, his mother, his lover...she was what he needed her to be. give yoko a break. we should all be so lucky. sigh. it is still so terribly sad that he is gone. "we may cry someday. but the tears will dry, which ever way. and when our hearts return to ashes, we'll be just a story." - yoko ono love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:06:38 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Millenium (NJC) In a message dated 1/1/99 9:51:16 AM Central Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << (the last 365 days of the 20th century...the last year of the last decade of the last century of the f-ing millenium. how cool is that??? make it count!) >> Technically, of course, the year 2000 will be the last year of the 20th century, but the media & others who stand to profit by the year-end stuff will continue to squelch that information rapidly as they have already done. After all, there was not a year "0", so Year 1 was the first year of the first century; likewise 2001 will be the first year of the 21st century. Certainly a minor point as time is all relative anyway...:~) Bob M. in SC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:09:06 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: The JMDL cure... In a message dated 1/1/99 5:22:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: << I've been thinking that my NY resolution this year should be to try to break my Joni addiction. This would leave me with much more time for my family, my work, jobs around the house, shopping, cooking and, maybe, even gardening >> i have spoken with betty ford and she wanted me to tell you that she has made up a room for you in her clinic, way in the back. she says the cure is extreme, but effective and that it sounds like you need it bad. from what i understand they pipe in these compilation tapes with selections from all joni's albums and then zap you every time your body starts to sway, your foot starts to tap, or you start to humm with this electric cattle prod thingy. ZAP!! while all this is going on, specialized deprogrammers pretty much tie you to a chair and scream and shout in your ear about that evil cult, the jmdl...how sinister its hold is on the minds of its members. (as we all know so well.) how joni is not a god, and wally is NOT a prophet and les just some sharpy entrepeneur. throw in a little sensory deprivation and some ice water immersion and you can return to your loved ones a recovered joni addict. takes about a month and they have a sliding scale fee arrangement. oh yea, they DO accept blue cross. good luck to you! let us know how it all works out!!! (well, on second thought, maybe you better not...) love and best wishes, ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:17:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: diary of a decade YES! I was in Tower the other day and they have an HDCD versian-says from the orignal Master Tape. Also HDCD versians of MOA and S&L. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:18:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: new year's (NJC) No-the year 2000 is a leap year. Mark Domyancich wrote: > I'm guessing 365 (Is '99 a leap year?). > > Oh, and what will it be of? (Cat, dog, wombat, yellow bellied > sapsucker, dodo bird, etc.) > > Mark, who wishes everyone a great 1999! > > At 1:12 PM -0500 12/31/98, MHart16164@aol.com wrote: > > One question before I go, just how many times do you think we'll have to > > listen to Prince's 1999???????????? > > ___________________________________ > | Mark Domyancich | > | Harpua@revealed.net | > | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | > | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | > |_________________________________| - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:20:53 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Top Movies of '98 (NJC) I forgot about Spitfire Grill-very good and SAM was the funniest film I have ever seen. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:33:59 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Dusty Springfield was awarded the OBE this New Year. Unfortunately, she is being nursed at home dying from cancer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:34:45 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Carly mentions Joni JC Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:02:07 -0500 From: "Julie Z. Webb" At last night's party, someone was talking about Howard Stern interviewing Carly Simon the other day on his show. He went on to say that Howard had asked Carly if Jackson Brown really "beat up" his girlfriend. Carly replied something like "I wasn't sure till I heard the lyrics hinting at this on a recent Joni Mitchell song." - -Julie Z. Webb, unsu.bscribed but still the posessor of roving reporter tendendies for all things pertaining to JM in the media And Happy New Year to all of you out there in Jmdland: http://www.visint.com/christmas.JPG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:38:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Eric Taylor" > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:11:46 -0500 > > John Villasana wrote: > > >I like to pump iron when I listen to Hejira. > > Good one John! > I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men > last.... Obviously you have tried the wrong men. > ;~O > E.T. > NP: Love Puts On A New Face (makes me smile) - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:59:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: The JMDL cure... Joni Anonymous Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over Joni-and that our lives had become unmanageble. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:59:11 +0000 From: catman Subject: New year resolutions Today is the first day of the new year. Thinking about resolutions I relaised that i really would much prefer not to have resentment in my life. With this in mind, I wish that Ric and Mark D, recieve everything in their life that I would wish for myself-peace. Now there are a few closer to home I guess I am going to have to deal with also but that is much harder! Small steps. love colin - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:59:25 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC) Exactly Bob. I was considering saying the same thing but wasn't in the mood for shit today! It is quite simple-having turned 40 a coupla weeks ago, my 40th year does not end till my 41st. I don't know why people find this so hard to comprhend. The centruy ends at midnight, 31/12/2000. So there! RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/1/99 9:51:16 AM Central Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com > writes: > > << (the last 365 days of the 20th century...the last year of > the last decade of the last century of the f-ing millenium. how cool is > that??? make it count!) >> > > Technically, of course, the year 2000 will be the last year of the 20th > century, but the media & others who stand to profit by the year-end stuff will > continue to squelch that information rapidly as they have already done. After > all, there was not a year "0", so Year 1 was the first year of the first > century; likewise 2001 will be the first year of the 21st century. Certainly a > minor point as time is all relative anyway...:~) > > Bob M. in SC - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:04:04 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: dusty springfield (NJC) John Villasana wrote: > > who is this Dusty Springfield? > > What are some of her more well known tunes or albums? Any suggestions for a beginner? > > jOhn The greatest of the pop "girl singers" of the 60's and 70's. Surely you've heard: I Only Want to Be With You Wishin' and Hopin' Anyone Who Had a Heart You Don't Have to Say You Love Me The Look of Love Son of a Preacher Man Windmills of You Mind What Have I Done to Deserve This? and many more. Dusty In Memphis is her classic, with The Dusty Springfield Anthology being the best retrospective collection to date. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:12:31 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: J-card info for Macs repost (NJC) Hi everyone! In case some new people have joined, I have updated my j-card page for Macs. I'm going to see if there's a more recent version of the Tape Labeler software-it crashed several times when I had 8.1, but with 8.5.1 it seems stable enough. I've also put all the j-cards in one .sit file. http://home.revealed.net/Harpua/jcard/ Mark NP-Neil Young-Out On The Weekend ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:08:53 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long) In a message dated 1/1/99 10:50:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << sigh. it is still so terribly sad that he is gone. "we may cry someday. but the tears will dry, which ever way. and when our hearts return to ashes, we'll be just a story." - yoko ono >> Thanks, ric, for once again expressing my feelings as well. To me McCarntney's post-Beatle output amounts to "Maybe I'm Amazed," a couple of other worthwhile tunes and a bunch of silly love songs that anyone could have written and I could do without. In sum total, they do not amount to the substance of the songs from "Plastic Ono Band," "Imagine" or "Double Fantasy," let alone any of the singles such as "Give Peace a Chance," "Cold Turkey" and "Woman is the Nigger of the World." They are songs about life and changes. I have missed John every single day since he was taken from us. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 11:10:53 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: This just in from Rolling Stone... RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > Well, the annual "best of the year" issue is out, and our Joni's got some > mentions! In the category "Best Tour, Pearl Jam wins, but honorable mention > goes to Bob Dylan-Joni Mitchell-Van Morrison tour. > > Joni gets "Most Welcome Comeback" (Gee fellas, maybe you could have welcomed > her in style with a cover...or AT LEAST a record review... > > Bob M. in SC Also none other than Brian Wilson had TTT as first choice in his list of favorite 1998 albums!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:09:16 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Happy new year (NJC) David wrote: >Have just watched the Jools Holland new year Hootenanny (I think that's how >you spell it) on BBC2 which included an awesome vocal performance from Sam >Browne - please check her out if you haven't already as she's an immensely >powerfull vocallist. I've just been watching last night's Hootenanny as well. To me the star of the show was Tom Jones. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:09:05 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Ric said: >lennon was a giant! mccartney, not to take a >thing away from him, would have never gotten a second glance without john >galvanizing a generation!!! Lennon galvanised a generation. Is that how it was ? Sorry to have to tell you Ric, that it wasn't really like that at all. I remember how we watched Lennon's bed in's and various other antics with a mixture of mirth and embarrassment, like the time he posed naked showing us his fat belly and small willy on the cover of Two Virgins (or one of those other unlistenable albums he made with Yoko). I recall Lennon talking a lot of bollocks about the revolution but he never actually did anything did he ? And then later there was that unfortunate lost weekend in the 70's when he really earned his reputation as a prat. I cried when Lennon died but I don't see a need to rewrite the history books because of that tragedy. The dream had been over for about twelve years by that time anyway. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:48:02 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long) In a message dated 1/1/99 2:11:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << To me McCarntney's post-Beatle output amounts to "Maybe I'm Amazed," a couple of other worthwhile tunes and a bunch of silly love songs that anyone could have written and I could do without. >> First off, it's spelled McCartney ; ) My take on Lennon/McCartney is that John was a finer lyricist, whereas Paul had the upper hand in writing melodies. John had the hard edge, and Paul sweetened it. In Paul's defense, there are some gorgeous songs on his post Beatles albums that have been so overlooked- Little Willow, on Flaming Pie is just one recent example. Of course, there's been a ton of muck he's written as well... Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:57:48 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC) In a message dated 1/1/99 10:21:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Exactly Bob. I was considering saying the same thing but wasn't in the mood for shit today! It is quite simple-having turned 40 a coupla weeks ago, my 40th year does not end till my 41st. I don't know why people find this so hard to comprhend. The centruy ends at midnight, 31/12/2000. So there! >> oh you technical guys. i stand corrected! either way, its still pretty cool and i hope i am around to see it come to pass, whenever date that might be! (delayed gratification has never been my strong suit...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:57:52 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 1/1/99 11:36:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << I cried when Lennon died but I don't see a need to rewrite the history books because of that tragedy. The dream had been over for about twelve years by that time anyway. >> well, differences of opinion are what this list is all about. but i think yours is in the minority, not that that takes a thing away from its value or my interest in hearing it. i think we can both agree that they both made some pretty important contributions to music and culture and are deserving of all the accolades anyone wants to give them. now...how about that ringo? peace. ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:07:21 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 1/1/99 2:14:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << I recall Lennon talking a lot of bollocks about the revolution but he never actually did anything did he ? >> Well, Phillip, I think it is obvious you were out of the loop,so to pseak, during that period. As for Lennon doing anything, I think his song "Revolution" did more to help focus people on the issues and expose the phonies than anything else that came out during that time. And there wre plenty of phonies who were marching against the war and thne marching on Earth Day just to pick up chicks or whatever. Were you one of those? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:09:45 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney and a tirade on yoko ono (NJC & long) In a message dated 1/1/99 2:50:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << First off, it's spelled McCartney ; ) >> Hey, Terry, at least I spelled his first name right. Sorry about the typo on your hero. I know we've been over this ground before. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:14:37 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 1/1/99 3:02:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << now...how about that ringo? >> Consistant drummer who didn't take away from the main focus of the other Beatles. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:29:48 EST From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC) Colin wrote: <> Wouldn't your 40th year have ended when you turned 40? Your first year would have been from the time you were born until the time you turned one. IMHO. - --David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:54:38 EST From: SDWS10@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1 hey...Stephen from texas here....i have lived everywhere....New York, The Everywheres.....what is this fuss my dear?? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:56:07 EST From: SDWS10@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1 Wisper words of wisdom..let it be ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:21:21 -0500 From: scott@scott-adams.com (Scott Adams) Subject: Another Joni - James Taylor MP3 This is what I posted to the James Taylor groups, I know you all would like to know this too, so forgive my "cut and paste" by my fingers are still recovering from my partying! Happy 1999!! ________________ James Taylor MP3 Update - http://www.scott-adams.com/taylor.htm Ok, you all have had a chance to enjoy your holidays and celebrate this brand spankin' new year, so I trust that you can focus your eyes well enough to read your e-mail. As a prize for this effort, I have posted two rare songs to the James Taylor MP3 Site!!! 1.) The Circle Game, Joni Mitchell & James Taylor, 1970 This is a Joni Mitchell Classic that was performed during the joint JM/JT Concert for the BBC in 1970. It is nothing short of fantastic, and a great transition into Joni's music for those who are not versed in her work. A must hear for all JT fans, and a rare treat indeed. 2.) Rainy Day Man (LIVE) This is a live version of Rainy Day Man from 1970. A rare treat for live audiences, as it is not a normal part of James' set! COme and hear what made an American Legend. So, please enjoy the new music, and keep in touch! More to come! - -- Scott http://www.scott-adams.com/taylor.htm _____________________________________________________ "Beware the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, then finds himself no wiser than before." -- Kurt Vonnegut _____________________________________________________ http://www.scott-adams.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:34:58 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote >I think his song "Revolution" did more to help >focus people on the issues and expose the phonies than anything else As far as i recall he couldn't make up his mind on that tune whether he wanted to be counted "in" or "out". Both Lennon and McCartney were heroes to me. But I feel that McCartney has been treated very unfairly by the press. He seemed to retain a sense of decency and dignity - the kind of attributes which are not valued very highly by the entertainment industry. Philip NP Nyro and Labelle - Gonna take a miracle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:39:40 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1 I'm commenting on the letters defending Dylan as having many moving songs. Ok, perhaps I am mistaken, however, I still believe (and I am a Dylan fan, though obviously I am not THE biggest Dylan fan) that he is always somewhat detached emotionally. Maybe it's the delivery, rather than the lyrics themselves. Oh, boy...I think I'm leaving myself wide open to some reprimands from all of you Dylanites...yikes! I'm thinking now how truly beautiful Boots Of Spanish Leather is and how I love it so as recorded by Nanci Griffith, who just caresses that song with her rather quirky but emotional voice. Look, I'm no Dylan expert, okay??? . I'm just talkin', man ! Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:42:04 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) wrote >...how about that ringo? yeah lovely singer and a great actor. Philip NP Laura Nyro - The bells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:55:07 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans RickieLee1@aol.com wrote: > oh horny mcbabe, i suppose the next thing you're going to tell us is that a > woman must have everything!!! How did you guess? ;~D > happy new year! Happy Millenium each and everyone...I fully intend to seduce you all ;~D How's that for making it count ric dear? ;~D Susan L.A. Horny McBabe-"...a woman must have everything..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:03:40 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: This just in from Rolling Stone... In a message dated 1/1/99 1:14:17 PM Central Standard Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Also none other than Brian Wilson had TTT as first choice in his list of favorite 1998 albums!!! >> Nice eagle-eyes, Randy - I gave those lists the once-over to see if any celebs picked TTT and missed it! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:13:10 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) In a message dated 1/1/99 1:50:18 PM Central Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << My take on Lennon/McCartney is that John was a finer lyricist, whereas Paul had the upper hand in writing melodies. John had the hard edge, and Paul sweetened it. >> I agree with this statement although according to George Martin, there was only ONE song on which the two truly collaborated and that was A Day In The Life. Lennon's part, obviously, is "I read the news today oh boy" parts while Paul's contribution is the segue starting with "Woke up, fell out of bed...". Every other song was either a McCartney song or a Lennon song. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:30:58 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 1/1/99 5:38:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << As far as i recall he couldn't make up his mind on that tune whether he wanted to be counted "in" or "out". >> Because "if you were looking for people with minds that hate, all I can tell you, brother, is you'll have to wait." John wanted to change the world, but in a peaceful way, and was turned OFF by those who wanted a violent revolution. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:32:39 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #1 In a message dated 1/1/99 5:43:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << however, I still believe (and I am a Dylan fan, though obviously I am not THE biggest Dylan fan) that he is always somewhat detached emotionally. Maybe it's the delivery, rather than the lyrics themselves. >> And no one has yet mentioned "Don't think twice, it's all right," which gets to me. I don't think Dylan is detached emotionally in that one or "Sign in the Window." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:39:02 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) In a message dated 1/1/99 6:17:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << Lennon's part, obviously, is "I read the news today oh boy" parts while Paul's contribution is the segue starting with "Woke up, fell out of bed...". Every other song was either a McCartney song or a Lennon song. >> I think it is also true of "We Can Work It Out," in which Paul wrote the verses and John contributed the "Life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend. I have always thought that it's a crime so I will tell you once again." According to an interview with John I once read, they each had a knack for filling in the bridges in each other's songs, at least early on. They also are supposed to have collaborated on the song they gave to the Rolling Stones, which they wrote in 15 minutes or less, after the Stones asked them to write one for them. What was that one? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:46:48 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) In a message dated 1/1/99 7:39:02 PM Central Standard Time, IVPAUL42 writes: << I think it is also true of "We Can Work It Out," in which Paul wrote the verses and John contributed the "Life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend. I have always thought that it's a crime so I will tell you once again.">> Paul, that certainly sounds to be the case doesn't it? I was just going on what I had read. <> Good trivia - you got me on that one...Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:54:44 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) In a message dated 1/1/99 10:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << They also are supposed to have collaborated on the song they gave to the Rolling Stones, which they wrote in 15 minutes or less, after the Stones asked them to write one for them. What was that one? >> Didn't the give the Stones "Boys", or did someone else write that? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:07:09 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Lennon vs. McCartney (NJC + no Yoko content either) In a message dated 1/1/99 10:57:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Didn't the give the Stones "Boys", or did someone else write that? >> No, that wasn't the one. Darn, can't think of it. Not sure if the Beatles ever recorded it, probably didn't. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 21:29:09 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Millenium (NJC) catman wrote: > > Exactly Bob. I was considering saying the same thing but wasn't in the mood for > shit today! > It is quite simple-having turned 40 a coupla weeks ago, my 40th year does not end > till my 41st. I don't know why people find this so hard to comprhend. > The centruy ends at midnight, 31/12/2000. You are correct about the millennium but not about your age (unless you do things differently in GB). Your first birthday comes one year after your birth. So on your fortieth birthday you have indeed lived for a full forty years and are beginning your 41st year of life. Mark in Seattle wishing all a belated Happy New Year!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:59:59 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:26:07 -0800 (PST) From: "bern.gallagher" Right on, Paul, I'm only 27 and I'm quite sure you're much older than me. Happy New Year, JMDL. I'm way behind on reading, but you know how it is. Today listened to TI and The Dawntreader (wasn't ready for the whole STAS thing right then and there, enjoying it slowly. I'd like to recommend Louise Erdrich to those of you who haven't read her. Her writing style reminds me of Her Holiness. B.- I looked at the granite markers. - ---------- > In a message dated 12/15/98 5:26:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, > t3100171@student.anu.edu.au writes: > > << > I'm sorry but, there is no way I could restrict it to just 5 albums so, > here's my top 10 albums of all time: > >> > Why is it some people feel they don't have to play by the rules? > Especially some 24-year-old. Doesn't he know most of us have heard twice as > many albums as he has? > Paul I > (putting on my flame-retardant suit) > NP: G&I Gershwin (from Great American Songwriters series) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein) Subject: Maybe a really stupid question... Okay, I've decided to be out with it and ask a question that has a (probably) very obvious answer. Probably because of how naive I am, I have been wondering for years just what Joni is doing on the cover of "Blue". Because of the dark cover, I can't tell what's she got either in her mouth or by her face. I thought it might be a pipe, but I wasn't sure. And it's not like I can just call up a friend and say "Hey, what IS that with Joni in that picture?" because none of my friends (to their great loss) have "Blue". So I'm probably really shaming myself by asking that question, but I just have to know! And one more thing... why is it that on "LOTC", the song is called "For Free" and in "MOA" it's "Real Good For Free"? Who changed it and why? Thanks for the help and understanding (I hope)! Luke ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #2 ************************ There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. 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