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JMDL Digest Friday, January 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 001
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com]
1999 [evian ]
Re: 1999 (the song, that is) [Bolvangar@aol.com]
Re: Weepy songs (NJC) ["John Wasak" ]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com]
Re: (NJC) Tears in Heaven [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: NJC - Dylan tear jerkers [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Fwd: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [Bounced Message ]
Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com]
Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [Susan Chaloner ]
Re: New Year's Resolution (SJC now) [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com]
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:35 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 12/31/98 12:07:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
philipf@tinet.ie writes:
<< 3. Paul McCartney - Of course, he's already in as a Beatle, so we're
> talking about his SOLO stuff and WINGS stuff now - had he not been a
> former Beatle, would anyone have cared about ANY of these records? I
> bought most of them, expecting that same Beatle magic and it just
> never happened, for me anyway...
He made some huge records on his own like Jet, My Love,
Band on The Run etc. The most significant Beatle in my opinion.
>>
phillip!!!
paul mccartney more significant than JOHN LENNON???? you can't be serious!
certainly more likable, maybe a little more accessible, but mccartney was
marshmallow fluff to lennon's single malt depth. (can we even compare the man
who wrote silly love songs (and what's wrong with that i'd like to know?) to
the man who wrote imagine?) lennon was a giant! mccartney, not to take a
thing away from him, would have never gotten a second glance without john
galvanizing a generation!!! one can argue that the two apart never equalled
what they were together, which was pure magic, but in the case of paul, there
is no argument whatsoever. so many of his songs, uncle albert for example,
live and let die, band on the run...were just fragments of songs that he
cleverly spliced together. without john to finish them for him, he was
stictly half a loaf. whereas lennon...working class hero, give peace a
chance, mother, imagine, watching the wheels, whatever gets you through the
night...these were not just songs! these were, like woodstock and both sides
now and circle game were for joni, ANTHEMS! theme tracks for a generation and
generations to come.
paul mccartney the most significant beatle? i beg to effing differ!!!
(of course, i could be wrong...) NOT!!!!!!!!! (and i didn't mean to go
off on a tirade!) love, ric
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:34 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 12/31/98 11:03:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes:
<< The Staple Singers - Puhleeze! One hit "I'll Take You There", they
did a carbon copy of it with "If you're Ready"(Come Go with Me) for a
follow-up, then showed up again with "Let's Do It Again" from a movie
soundtrack. >>
what about their biggest hit of all, and an all time classic, respect
yourself??? even so, i agree, and odd choice...but i think mavis and papa
staples were (and are? he could not possibly still be alive could he? good
god, is he a vampire?) very well respected in their field, (soul/gospel) and
are probably considered influential by many. and respect yourself is a GREAT
song!!!
in my ever so humble opinion, of course...ric
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:43 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 12/31/98 1:46:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, kakkib@att.net
writes: (REGARDING DUSTY SPRINGFIELD'S INDUCTION INTO R&R HALL OF FAME)
<< Oh no, no, no.... Please check out her huge catalog online for a bigger
picture. She is the most deserving of the list to be in there and should
have been inducted years ago!
>>
absolutely kakki. dusty springfield not only topped the pop charts, she then
stunned everyone when she transformed herself into a soul and a country artist
of authority and style, proving herself an extraordinary and mutifaceted
artist! with a stellar voice! smoky and rich and sexy as hell. i agree with
the consensus here about del shannon, altho he was a bit before my time so who
knows, but dusty? definitely! sadly, i hear she is dying of cancer, which
may have something to do with the timing but nothing to do with the integrity
of the choice.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:39:14 -0600
From: evian
Subject: 1999
> << Someone has to do it...... (I LOVE this song!) >>
>
> now THERE"S a song i can dance to without the obligatory 6 beers!
>
Damn right!!! This is one of my top five fave Prince songs, and I am a
huge Prince fan! In fact, the album 1999 is one of his best!Happy and
safe New Year to y'all! Gotta run and put on my dancin' shoes!
Evian
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:58:39 EST
From: Bolvangar@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1999 (the song, that is)
Rickie Lee wrote:
<<(is prince in the R&R hall of fame? should be, the little weirdo!)>>
No, he is not. The one objective criteria for induction is that an artist
becomes eligible 25 years after the release of their first record. I think
Prince has four or five years to go?
- --David
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:02:03 -0500
From: "John Wasak"
Subject: Re: Weepy songs (NJC)
MG writes:
<<1. "It Makes No Difference" The live version by The Band on The Last
Waltz. Rick Danko's vocals on this just tear me apart>>
Bob writes:
<<"These old love letters, I just can't keep...Just like the gambler
<>
As a big fan of The Band for as long as I've been a big fan of Joni (and
that's a long time, btw) I have to agree with Bob's mentions of "It Makes
No Difference" and "Acadian Driftwood" as being some of The Band's
prettiest songs. I'd also add two songs featuring Richard Manuel to this
list, "Whispering Pines" (The Band) and "In A Station" (Music From Big
Pink). (The harmonies on "Whispering Pines" are killer!)
John
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:47:54 EST
From: RMuRocks@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 12/31/98 5:54:22 PM Central Standard Time,
RickieLee1@aol.com writes:
<< what about their biggest hit of all, and an all time classic, respect
yourself??? even so, i agree, and odd choice...but i think mavis and papa
staples were (and are? he could not possibly still be alive could he? good
god, is he a vampire?) very well respected in their field, (soul/gospel) and
are probably considered influential by many. and respect yourself is a GREAT
song!!! >>
OK, I forgot that one - and I've even got it on CD! but still not enough to
earn a ticket - as influences maybe...
And I MUST have been nappin' when Dusty Springfield was tearing up the R&R
world because that seems to be the bone of contention with my original list.
Must be "Windmills of Your Mind"....
Peace to all for '99,
Bob
Bob
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:14:16 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: (NJC) Tears in Heaven
In a message dated 12/31/98 1:29:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
guitarzan@saber.net writes:
<<
The maid left the window open. Now, why did they DESIGN a building like
that?
RR
>>
It was probably designed around 1929 or 1930, when everyone thought having an
open window nearby on a high floor was a handy thing. ;>)
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:14:10 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC - Dylan tear jerkers
In a message dated 12/31/98 2:17:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com
writes:
<< >I tried to think of a tear jerker by Dylan but I doubt
>there is one...his sadness almost always had an angry edge or maybe it was
>just cynicism, I'm not sure.
A Dylan fan counters with these non-angry, non-cynical tunes penned by the
Zimster himself:
Girl From The North Country
Boots of Spanish Leather
One Too Many Mornings
I Threw It All Away
One More Night
You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go
etc.. etc...
somebody's got to do it...
Les
>>
To Les' list, I would add "Sign in the Window" and "Sad-eyed Lady of the
Lowlands."
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:47:53 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
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In a message dated 12/31/98 6:54:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
RickieLee1@aol.com writes:
<<
paul mccartney the most significant beatle? i beg to effing differ!!!
(of course, i could be wrong...) NOT!!!!!!!!! (and i didn't mean to go
off on a tirade!) love, ric >>
Thanks, ric, for saving me the trouble of writing this response.
The only thing Paul ever did was Yesterday. Somehow I cannot picutre Paul
singing "Woman is the Nigger of the World."
Paul, indeed.Bah, humbug!
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:43:45 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 12/31/98 6:54:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
RickieLee1@aol.com writes:
<< << The Staple Singers - Puhleeze! One hit "I'll Take You There", they
did a carbon copy of it with "If you're Ready"(Come Go with Me) for a
follow-up, then showed up again with "Let's Do It Again" from a movie
soundtrack. >>
what about their biggest hit of all, and an all time classic, respect
yourself??? even so, i agree, and odd choice...but i think mavis and papa
staples were (and are? he could not possibly still be alive could he? good
god, is he a vampire?) very well respected in their field, (soul/gospel) and
are probably considered influential by many. and respect yourself is a GREAT
song!!! >>
The thing is called the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame, yet the Staples are not
rock 'n' roll. Though they certainly belong in a Gospel Hall of Fame, they do
not belong in ths one.
I think the induction of the Staples is a blatant attempt by RRHoF ooficials
to curry favor from the soul/R&B community and try to get more donations and
income by widening their base.
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:10:46 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
Yea, but rhythym and blues paved the way for rock and roll. Many
musicians say that r&b influenced their style of music. It only makes
sense to have them included. Without them, rock and roll may not have
existed.
At 9:43 PM -0500 12/31/98, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:
> The thing is called the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame, yet the Staples are not
> rock 'n' roll. Though they certainly belong in a Gospel Hall of Fame, they do
> not belong in ths one.
> I think the induction of the Staples is a blatant attempt by RRHoF ooficials
> to curry favor from the soul/R&B community and try to get more donations and
> income by widening their base.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:41:19 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 12/31/98 10:11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Harpua@revealed.net writes:
<< Yea, but rhythym and blues paved the way for rock and roll. Many
musicians say that r&b influenced their style of music. It only makes
sense to have them included. Without them, rock and roll may not have
existed. >>
Mebbe so, but I am cynical about the existence of the RRHoF and suspect the
two reasons for its existence are to further the goals of money and glory for
its founders.
Paul I
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 04:39:02 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: 1999!!!
just want to wish everyone a great new year! here in my part of the world it is already 2:pm, new years day!
my thanks to all of you who've so warmly welcomed me to the list... *S*
pat
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html
Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:44:38 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans
From: "Eric Taylor"
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:11:46 -0500
John Villasana wrote:
>I like to pump iron when I listen to Hejira.
Good one John!
I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men
last....
;~O
E.T.
NP: Love Puts On A New Face (makes me smile)
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:50:22 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans
In a message dated 1/1/99 12:48:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com
writes:
<< I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men
last....
;~O
E.T. >>
Followed by what? "Empty, Try Another"?
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:06:29 EST
From: Bolvangar@aol.com
Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans (NJC)
Paul I. wrote:
<<
>I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men
>last....
Followed by what? "Empty, Try Another"?>>
Good one, Paul!
- --David
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:13:02 -0800
From: Susan Chaloner
Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans
ET declares:
> I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men
> last....
And Pope Paul responds:
> Followed by what? "Empty, Try Another"?
Laughing my fool head off :~DDDDDDDDDD The Tenth World is 6 minutes, 45
seconds which explains everything...If you've got a man, you've got to
have a woman on the side ;~D
Susan L.A.
Honey McBabe-I can last as long as Joni ;~D
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:27:31 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution (SJC now)
In a message dated 12/31/98 2:11:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jagaww@hotmail.com writes:
<< just out of curiousity, how hard is it to play a joni song on guitar
anyway? i'm not a guitarist myself, but some of her songs sound quite
complex to me. >>
IMHO, easy for the left hand, difficult for the right. Her
picking/strumming/slapping style creates a symphony of sounds which isn't
easily duplicated.
Terry
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:40:17 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC)
In a message dated 12/31/98 9:51:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com
writes:
<< The only thing Paul ever did was Yesterday. >>
Here, There and Everywhere; Michelle, Hey Jude, The Night Before,
Blackbird...for starters.
Terry
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