From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V4 #1 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, January 1 1999 Volume 04 : Number 001 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] 1999 [evian ] Re: 1999 (the song, that is) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: Weepy songs (NJC) ["John Wasak" ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Tears in Heaven [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: NJC - Dylan tear jerkers [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Fwd: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [Bounced Message ] Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans [Susan Chaloner ] Re: New Year's Resolution (SJC now) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:35 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 12/31/98 12:07:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << 3. Paul McCartney - Of course, he's already in as a Beatle, so we're > talking about his SOLO stuff and WINGS stuff now - had he not been a > former Beatle, would anyone have cared about ANY of these records? I > bought most of them, expecting that same Beatle magic and it just > never happened, for me anyway... He made some huge records on his own like Jet, My Love, Band on The Run etc. The most significant Beatle in my opinion. >> phillip!!! paul mccartney more significant than JOHN LENNON???? you can't be serious! certainly more likable, maybe a little more accessible, but mccartney was marshmallow fluff to lennon's single malt depth. (can we even compare the man who wrote silly love songs (and what's wrong with that i'd like to know?) to the man who wrote imagine?) lennon was a giant! mccartney, not to take a thing away from him, would have never gotten a second glance without john galvanizing a generation!!! one can argue that the two apart never equalled what they were together, which was pure magic, but in the case of paul, there is no argument whatsoever. so many of his songs, uncle albert for example, live and let die, band on the run...were just fragments of songs that he cleverly spliced together. without john to finish them for him, he was stictly half a loaf. whereas lennon...working class hero, give peace a chance, mother, imagine, watching the wheels, whatever gets you through the night...these were not just songs! these were, like woodstock and both sides now and circle game were for joni, ANTHEMS! theme tracks for a generation and generations to come. paul mccartney the most significant beatle? i beg to effing differ!!! (of course, i could be wrong...) NOT!!!!!!!!! (and i didn't mean to go off on a tirade!) love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:34 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 12/31/98 11:03:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << The Staple Singers - Puhleeze! One hit "I'll Take You There", they did a carbon copy of it with "If you're Ready"(Come Go with Me) for a follow-up, then showed up again with "Let's Do It Again" from a movie soundtrack. >> what about their biggest hit of all, and an all time classic, respect yourself??? even so, i agree, and odd choice...but i think mavis and papa staples were (and are? he could not possibly still be alive could he? good god, is he a vampire?) very well respected in their field, (soul/gospel) and are probably considered influential by many. and respect yourself is a GREAT song!!! in my ever so humble opinion, of course...ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:43 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 12/31/98 1:46:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: (REGARDING DUSTY SPRINGFIELD'S INDUCTION INTO R&R HALL OF FAME) << Oh no, no, no.... Please check out her huge catalog online for a bigger picture. She is the most deserving of the list to be in there and should have been inducted years ago! >> absolutely kakki. dusty springfield not only topped the pop charts, she then stunned everyone when she transformed herself into a soul and a country artist of authority and style, proving herself an extraordinary and mutifaceted artist! with a stellar voice! smoky and rich and sexy as hell. i agree with the consensus here about del shannon, altho he was a bit before my time so who knows, but dusty? definitely! sadly, i hear she is dying of cancer, which may have something to do with the timing but nothing to do with the integrity of the choice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:39:14 -0600 From: evian Subject: 1999 > << Someone has to do it...... (I LOVE this song!) >> > > now THERE"S a song i can dance to without the obligatory 6 beers! > Damn right!!! This is one of my top five fave Prince songs, and I am a huge Prince fan! In fact, the album 1999 is one of his best!Happy and safe New Year to y'all! Gotta run and put on my dancin' shoes! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:58:39 EST From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: 1999 (the song, that is) Rickie Lee wrote: <<(is prince in the R&R hall of fame? should be, the little weirdo!)>> No, he is not. The one objective criteria for induction is that an artist becomes eligible 25 years after the release of their first record. I think Prince has four or five years to go? - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:02:03 -0500 From: "John Wasak" Subject: Re: Weepy songs (NJC) MG writes: <<1. "It Makes No Difference" The live version by The Band on The Last Waltz. Rick Danko's vocals on this just tear me apart>> Bob writes: <<"These old love letters, I just can't keep...Just like the gambler <> As a big fan of The Band for as long as I've been a big fan of Joni (and that's a long time, btw) I have to agree with Bob's mentions of "It Makes No Difference" and "Acadian Driftwood" as being some of The Band's prettiest songs. I'd also add two songs featuring Richard Manuel to this list, "Whispering Pines" (The Band) and "In A Station" (Music From Big Pink). (The harmonies on "Whispering Pines" are killer!) John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:47:54 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 12/31/98 5:54:22 PM Central Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << what about their biggest hit of all, and an all time classic, respect yourself??? even so, i agree, and odd choice...but i think mavis and papa staples were (and are? he could not possibly still be alive could he? good god, is he a vampire?) very well respected in their field, (soul/gospel) and are probably considered influential by many. and respect yourself is a GREAT song!!! >> OK, I forgot that one - and I've even got it on CD! but still not enough to earn a ticket - as influences maybe... And I MUST have been nappin' when Dusty Springfield was tearing up the R&R world because that seems to be the bone of contention with my original list. Must be "Windmills of Your Mind".... Peace to all for '99, Bob Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:14:16 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Tears in Heaven In a message dated 12/31/98 1:29:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << The maid left the window open. Now, why did they DESIGN a building like that? RR >> It was probably designed around 1929 or 1930, when everyone thought having an open window nearby on a high floor was a handy thing. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:14:10 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Dylan tear jerkers In a message dated 12/31/98 2:17:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << >I tried to think of a tear jerker by Dylan but I doubt >there is one...his sadness almost always had an angry edge or maybe it was >just cynicism, I'm not sure. A Dylan fan counters with these non-angry, non-cynical tunes penned by the Zimster himself: Girl From The North Country Boots of Spanish Leather One Too Many Mornings I Threw It All Away One More Night You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go etc.. etc... somebody's got to do it... Les >> To Les' list, I would add "Sign in the Window" and "Sad-eyed Lady of the Lowlands." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:47:53 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_915158874_boundary Content-ID: <0_915158874@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_915158874_boundary Content-ID: <0_915158874@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Return-path: To: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:47:02 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/31/98 6:54:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << paul mccartney the most significant beatle? i beg to effing differ!!! (of course, i could be wrong...) NOT!!!!!!!!! (and i didn't mean to go off on a tirade!) love, ric >> Thanks, ric, for saving me the trouble of writing this response. The only thing Paul ever did was Yesterday. Somehow I cannot picutre Paul singing "Woman is the Nigger of the World." Paul, indeed.Bah, humbug! Paul I - --part0_915158874_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:43:45 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 12/31/98 6:54:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, RickieLee1@aol.com writes: << << The Staple Singers - Puhleeze! One hit "I'll Take You There", they did a carbon copy of it with "If you're Ready"(Come Go with Me) for a follow-up, then showed up again with "Let's Do It Again" from a movie soundtrack. >> what about their biggest hit of all, and an all time classic, respect yourself??? even so, i agree, and odd choice...but i think mavis and papa staples were (and are? he could not possibly still be alive could he? good god, is he a vampire?) very well respected in their field, (soul/gospel) and are probably considered influential by many. and respect yourself is a GREAT song!!! >> The thing is called the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame, yet the Staples are not rock 'n' roll. Though they certainly belong in a Gospel Hall of Fame, they do not belong in ths one. I think the induction of the Staples is a blatant attempt by RRHoF ooficials to curry favor from the soul/R&B community and try to get more donations and income by widening their base. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:10:46 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Yea, but rhythym and blues paved the way for rock and roll. Many musicians say that r&b influenced their style of music. It only makes sense to have them included. Without them, rock and roll may not have existed. At 9:43 PM -0500 12/31/98, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > The thing is called the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame, yet the Staples are not > rock 'n' roll. Though they certainly belong in a Gospel Hall of Fame, they do > not belong in ths one. > I think the induction of the Staples is a blatant attempt by RRHoF ooficials > to curry favor from the soul/R&B community and try to get more donations and > income by widening their base. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:41:19 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 12/31/98 10:11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Yea, but rhythym and blues paved the way for rock and roll. Many musicians say that r&b influenced their style of music. It only makes sense to have them included. Without them, rock and roll may not have existed. >> Mebbe so, but I am cynical about the existence of the RRHoF and suspect the two reasons for its existence are to further the goals of money and glory for its founders. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 04:39:02 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: 1999!!! just want to wish everyone a great new year! here in my part of the world it is already 2:pm, new years day! my thanks to all of you who've so warmly welcomed me to the list... *S* pat http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:44:38 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans From: "Eric Taylor" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:11:46 -0500 John Villasana wrote: >I like to pump iron when I listen to Hejira. Good one John! I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men last.... ;~O E.T. NP: Love Puts On A New Face (makes me smile) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:50:22 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans In a message dated 1/1/99 12:48:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men last.... ;~O E.T. >> Followed by what? "Empty, Try Another"? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:06:29 EST From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans (NJC) Paul I. wrote: << >I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men >last.... Followed by what? "Empty, Try Another"?>> Good one, Paul! - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:13:02 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans ET declares: > I like to f**k to The Tenth World and am told that's longer than most men > last.... And Pope Paul responds: > Followed by what? "Empty, Try Another"? Laughing my fool head off :~DDDDDDDDDD The Tenth World is 6 minutes, 45 seconds which explains everything...If you've got a man, you've got to have a woman on the side ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-I can last as long as Joni ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:27:31 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution (SJC now) In a message dated 12/31/98 2:11:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, jagaww@hotmail.com writes: << just out of curiousity, how hard is it to play a joni song on guitar anyway? i'm not a guitarist myself, but some of her songs sound quite complex to me. >> IMHO, easy for the left hand, difficult for the right. Her picking/strumming/slapping style creates a symphony of sounds which isn't easily duplicated. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:40:17 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) In a message dated 12/31/98 9:51:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << The only thing Paul ever did was Yesterday. >> Here, There and Everywhere; Michelle, Hey Jude, The Night Before, Blackbird...for starters. Terry ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V4 #1 ************************ There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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