From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #533 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, December 31 1998 Volume 03 : Number 533 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Male vs. Female Joni fans ["John Villasana" ] Re: Weepies (NJC) ["Winfried Hühn" ] Re: Teary Songs (and entire catalogs) ["Kakki" ] Wedding Songs (was Re: Teary Songs) (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: xmas has flu-wn by... (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] bonnie tears.. ["P. Henry" ] Re: Songs that make you cry. ["Goodwin" ] Today show/Joni mention [Mary Becker ] Re[2]: Teary Songs (and Stevie Wonder)NJC [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] the art... ["P. Henry" ] Re: the art... [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Weepy songs (NJC) [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: the art... (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Weepy songs (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Weepy songs (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] NJC Favourite films of the year [AzeemAK@aol.com] (NJC) Tears in Heaven was Weepy songs ["John M. Lind" ] Re: Weepies (NJC) [luvart@snet.net] Re: Teary Songs (and entire catalogs) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story [catman ] Joni on VHI (and some weepy songs) ["Deb Messling" ] new year's (NJC) [MHart16164@aol.com] Re[2]: Male vs. Female Joni fans [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: NJC Favourite films of the year [catman ] My Lovelies [catman ] Re: (NJC) Tears in Heaven [Randy Remote ] Re: Weepy songs again [Mark or Travis ] men vs women fans [Bounced Message ] diary of a decade [Bounced Message ] Re: new year's (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: diary of a decade [Randy Remote ] Top Movies of '98 (NJC) [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)] Damm, I love my wife (NJC) [Claud.Loren.Carter@ccMail.Census.Gov] Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #532 [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Damm, I love my wife (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: New Year's Resolution (SJC now) ["Ryan Lantrip" ] Re: new year's (NJC) [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)] NJC - Dylan tear jerkers [Les Irvin ] Tape offer closed [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Teary Songs (and entire catalogs)NJC [philipf@tinet.ie] happy new year's listers! (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [davina@pacificsw.com (Davin] Happy New Year ... (njc) ["Don Rowe" ] HAPPY NEW YEAR (SJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: new year's (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC Favourite films of the year [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Damm, I love my wife (NJC) ["Marsha" ] Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) [Scott Price Subject: Male vs. Female Joni fans I like to pump iron when I listen to Hejira. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:48:02 +0100 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Re: Weepies (NJC) These are the "baddest" ones I can think of at the moment: Rockin' Chair -- John Lee Hooker Aodann Srath Bhàin (The slopes of Strath Bàn) -- Capercaillie (trad. Gaelic) Margijt og Targjei Risvollo -- Agnes Buen Garnaas (trad. Norwegian folk ballad about an unhappy love triangle) Amelia -- you know by whom! Shades of Scarlett Conquering -- ... *Refuge of the Road -- ...I have absolutely no idea why, but this song really gets me into a melancholic mood. Much more than for instance Song For Sharon, which somehow is so bitter that it evokes some kind of resistance, some kind of "oh-come-on- it- ain't- that-bad" feeling in myself. When I Die -- Laura Nyro (when combined with its sad 1997 context) Asimbonanga (Free Mandela) -- Johnny Clegg & Savuka Be My Number Two -- Joe Jackson Autumn Boy/Venceremos -- Working Week and a lot of Portuguese Fado songs, especially when sung by the divine Maria Joao. Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:40:03 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Teary Songs (and entire catalogs) Paul asked: ><< In My Life by Judy Collins >> > >I know Judy's is a great version, but I'm wondering why you mention hers over Lennon's? I always thought of it as just a great version until I was in my best friend's wedding and she chose it as her processional song. It just overwhelmed me (luckily this was at the rehearsal) and I was a total gusher from it on many levels - happiness for her, the realization that our friendship has lasted 40 years and sadness at the memory of friends we have lost. I realized tonight that there are some whose entire catalog of songs can make one cry for various reasons. For me two who come to mind are Dan Fogelberg - any of his knocks me over like "Netherlands", "Once Upon A Time", "Phoenix", "Wishing On The Moon", and all the rest of them, and Stevie Wonder - "Ribbon In The Sky", "Another Star", "Send One Your Love", and all the rest. Sigh.... Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:04:27 EST From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Wedding Songs (was Re: Teary Songs) (NJC) Kakki wrote: <> [snip] <> My parents chose "In My Life" (though the Beatles version, I think) for their wedding, too! Also Cat Stevens' "Morning Has Broken," and "The Wedding Song" by Paul (?) of PP&M. Happy New Year all - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:16:29 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: xmas has flu-wn by... (NJC) In a message dated 30/12/98 18:01:28, Paul writes: << One resolution that i would like to make, though, is to write some songs in 1999. i was in a band years ago and wrote lots of songs that sounded like joni (except bad). but i kind of got disheartened by it never sounding as good as it did in my head. i guess i need some encouragement though so if there's anyone out there who would like to set a lyric to music - and *can* sing (unlike me) - lemme know and i'll send you a couple of pieces. collaboration could be fun! >> Paul, we seem to have a lot in common: I too have resolved to write some songs in 1999 (well, one song would be a start :-) and I was also in a band years ago. We were called No Great Sheiks, and I was the singer. At the time I didn't play an instrument, but I've since taught myself to strum some chords on the gee-tar, and have been working on some nice chord sequences, hoping to stitch them into a coherent musical whole, and waiting for lyrical inspiration to strike - I'm not holding my breath! I like the lyric you posted, and I'd love to have a go at putting a tune to it. If I manage to come up with anything, I'll let you know. I won't be able to write it down, as I don't know the names of most of my favourite chords! I suppose I could draw you the shapes in good old "Songs for easy guitar" style... There's a songwriters club in London (just off Baker Street, in case you know London) called the Kashmir Klub where I go just about every Tuesday, partly because I know some of the regulars there. Anyway, they have an open night on Thursday, and I've promised myself that if I can come up with a decent song (either on my own or in collaboration) I'll go along and actually perform. Well, if you're willing to let me have a go, I'm already more than halfway there thanks to your words! Perhaps you'll join me?? All the best for 1999, Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:19:56 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: bonnie tears.. eric wrote: < I Can't Make You Love Me by Bonnie Raitt once made me weep and it's still my favorite ballad. > was trying to think of songs that make me misty... (Joni's don't) and you mentioned Bonnie... I also react emotionally to "I Can't Make You Love Me"... but it reminded me of one I had on an album by her in '74 called "Love Has No Pride"... both of these are powerful torch songs... but the latter, more so. pat http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:43:51 +1100 From: "Goodwin" Subject: Re: Songs that make you cry. >Azeem wrote.. >On the subject of Bonnie, someone else mentioned her gorgeous rendition of "I >Can't Make You Love Me", which exemplifies everything that makes her such a >great singer. I remember reading an interview in which she admitted she'd had >difficulty getting through the song in the studio. [George Michael is a >pretty good singer himself, but his version leaves me cold, mainly because he >commits the classic sin of singing too many notes!] I love this topic even though there are not many that make me cry exactly but lots that make me wistful and so many songs have been mentioned that I had forgotten about (I go back a long way!) It's a pretty rum mixture, mine, but it represents changes and development of tastes over the years. Bonnie Raitt figures prominently with : My First Night Alone Without You - that is really something. Run Like A Thief - Carole King - It Might as Well Rain Until September Skeeter Davis - The End of the World Nicolette Larson - Lotta Love Santana - Song of the Wind Kiki Dee - Amoureuse Beatles - Long and Winding Road Dusty Springfield - Some of Your Lovin' Rita Coolidge - We're All Alone More emotional than tear-jerkers I guess, but close enough Paul G Sydneyside ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:46:11 -0500 From: Mary Becker Subject: Today show/Joni mention Did anyone catch the Today show this morning? I wasn't paying much attention, there was a segment on entertainment predictions for '99 I guess. Holly someone fron Premiere mag was on..Her music predictions were Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Jewel, and "I'm still listening to Joni Mitchell"! Yea! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:46:54 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Teary Songs (and Stevie Wonder)NJC Kakki wrote: I realized tonight that there are some whose entire catalog of songs can make one cry for various reasons. For me two who come to mind are Dan Fogelberg - any of his knocks me over like "Netherlands", "Once Upon A Time", "Phoenix", "Wishing On The Moon", and all the rest of them, and Stevie Wonder - "Ribbon In The Sky", "Another Star", "Send One Your Love", and all the rest. Kakki, any song from REO Speedwagon will make me cry if I don't change the radio station quick enough!! ;-) But seriously folks, speaking of Stevie, "You Are the Sunshine of My Life" puts a major lump in my throat because I bought the '45 for my Mom who died 10 years ago. It was the first time I bought Christmas presents with my own money. When it pops up on the radio, I can't help but get a little "Verklempt"(SP). Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:39:21 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: the art... mary wrote: "I've noticed since joining the list is that over and over people say they only knew one other person who was a fan (like me), or no one at all. I think it is hard to enjoy something so much, and not have anyone around to share it with." why is it that when a Van Gogh exibit hits town, the place isn't overrun with fans? ...or that Mozart concerts aren't held in superstar capacity stadiums? call it sensitivity, call it 'culture', call it heart, call it what you will... the masses are continually duped by formularized, manufactured, made-to-order 'pop-art' in their music, in their literature, in their visual art, and rare is the individual who can receive true art or link to the soul of a true artist. to convince them that this is the right direction, well, you might as well try to change a catepillar into a butterfly... so, along with those who love Van Gogh and Mozart, you must learn to relax and be grateful for the blessing of your good fortune. pat ps - Joni RULES! *S* http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:59:27 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: the art... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Pat wrote: why is it that when a Van Gogh exibit hits town, the place isn't overrun with fans? ... Pat, as I recall, there WAS sellout when a JMDL'er tried to organize a 'meet and greet' for a Van Gogh exhibition... <<, and rare is the individual who can receive true art or link to the soul of a true artist. to convince them that this is the right direction, well, you might as well try to change a catepillar into a butterfly... so, along with those who love Van Gogh and Mozart, you must learn to relax and be grateful for the blessing of your good fortune.>> Pat, Do you recall the MOMENT when you knew you were in the presence of genius with Joni? <> That's why we're all here, I hope, even if it's the ONE statement we can ALL agree on *:>) Bob http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:18:29 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Weepy songs (NJC) 1. "It Makes No Difference" The live version by The Band on The Last Waltz. Rick Danko's vocals on this just tear me apart 2. "Jesse" Joan Baez's version of an old Janis Ian song. Poignancy out the wahoo-boo-hoo. 3. "Close Your Eyes" from one of the tape trees: the Joni/James version. 4. "Amelia" live version. 5. "I Dream of Jeannie/Danny Boy" Joan Baez's version from "Diamonds and Rust." What a voice. 6. "Thunder Road" the studio version more than the live one from the box set. The chorus sing-a-long annoys me. 7. "Love Hurts" EmmyLou Harris' version of the old Graham Parsons song 8. "A Simple Man" (? correct title? "I am a simple man, so I sing a simple song, never been so much in love and never hurt so bad...) by Graham Nash. 9. "Sky Blue and Black" Jackson Browne. No more for now, my keyboard is getting all wet and salty. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:25:02 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: the art... (NJC) p.henry writes ... > ...or that Mozart concerts aren't held in superstar capacity stadiums? call it sensitivity, call it 'culture', call it heart, call it what you will... the masses are continually duped by formularized, manufactured, made-to-order 'pop-art' in their music, in their literature, in their visual art, and rare is the individual who can receive true art or link to the soul of a true artist. On this issue generally, and classical music appreciation specifically, there's a degree of "listening instruction" you've got to go through before you get it. I think that's an investment that "the masses" aren't willing to make, especially when most popular music is so accessible. The sad thing is it can be as easy as getting up to dance to "Purple Rain". All you really have to do is patiently sit down and listen with someone who knows/loves, for example, Beethoven's 7th Symphony (my favorite) ... you can get hooked just that quick. And once you are, your awareness of and connections to jazz, Joni, or whatever else you listen to, goes off the chart -- because suddenly you're aware of the subtelty underneath the beat. Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:32:53 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Weepy songs (NJC) Wow, this thread has really gotten virulent ... and very cool. Thanks to all for reminding me of so many I left off my original list! To which, I will now add: "Rene and Georgette Magritte With Their Dog After The War" -- Paul Simon "How Much Is Enough" -- The Fixx "Late For The Sky" -- Jackson Browne "Desperado" -- The Eagles (okay so it's practically a cliche now, but it still gets me every time!) "Some Enchanted Evening" -- Rogers/Hammerstein "Bee's Wing" -- Richard Thompson Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:37:50 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Weepy songs (NJC) MG writes: <<1. "It Makes No Difference" The live version by The Band on The Last Waltz. Rick Danko's vocals on this just tear me apart>> "These old love letters, I just can't keep...Just like the gambler says, 'Read 'em & weep'" What a beautiful lyric! "Acadian Driftwood" from the same studio album is also very touching IMO as well as their out and out prettiest song - Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:58:15 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC Favourite films of the year I don't think we've had this one yet. As a film buff who averages over 40 films a year, generally non-mainstream (I've only seen 12 of the top 50 moneymakers in the UK this year, I'm always interested in what other folk are watching and enjoying. So, in no particular order: Jackie Brown (Pam Grier was just sensational) Elizabeth (Loud! Loads of sex and violence! Marvellous!) Primary Colors (Travolta's best in ages, and Emma T's too) Daytrippers (Why US indies are great) Un Air de Famille (most LOL pic of the year; French, wait for the Hollywood remake!) Kissed (a tasteful film about necrophilia - no, really...) Dance of the Wind (beautiful Indian film about singing - brought tears to my eyes) Men with Guns (John Sayles, America's greatest living film maker) Zero Effect (brilliantly witty, made by a 22 year old. Why was it not a smash??) My Son the Fanatic (Asians in Britain, a great little film, struck a few chords) And the 5 worst: Velvet Goldmine (unbelievably pretentious and a complete mess in every respect) Tomorrow Never Dies (Meaningless tosh - not big and not clever!) Kundun (critics loved it, I couldn't wait for it to finish) The End of Violence (closest I came this year to walking out - pseudsville central!) As Good.../Good Will H (not terrible, just terribly overrated - and Robin W and Jack N should be censured for selling us the same old schtick for the umpteenth time) That's it for 1999, it really is Peace and love and much Joni Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:18:45 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: (NJC) Tears in Heaven was Weepy songs Madden wrote: >How about Eric Clapton's "Tears in Heaven" Boo Hoo, especially when he >sang it on the Grammy Awards (that year he won)and then he gave his >acceptance speech. This song is such a heart tugger - for a parent to >have to sing this about his only little kid's death! Can somebody fill me in on the details of this story? All I know about it is that Clapton's infant son fell to his death from a high hotel window. I'd like to know more of the details of the situation though, because with only these simple facts I'v always had trouble feeling sorry for Clapton. I have little or no sympathay for somebody who would leave an infant alone in a high-rise room with an open, un-barred window. John~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:29:48 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Weepies (NJC) At 09:48 AM 12/31/98 +0100, you wrote: > > >When I Die -- Laura Nyro (when combined with its sad 1997 context) Oh Winfried! This song gives me such an eire, sad feeling now. After seeing dear Laura in 1994 and having the wonderful opportunity to speak with her.... this song always brings a tear to my eye. Heather > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:46:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Teary Songs (and entire catalogs) Kakki wrote: > > Paul asked: > > ><< In My Life by Judy Collins >> > > > >I know Judy's is a great version, but I'm wondering why you mention hers > over Lennon's? > > I always thought of it as just a great version until I was in my best > friend's wedding and she chose it as her processional song. It just > overwhelmed me (luckily this was at the rehearsal) and I was a total gusher > from it on many levels - happiness for her, the realization that our > friendship has lasted 40 years and sadness at the memory of friends we have > lost. Amd like a similarly great song, The Circle Game, it takes on new and different meanings as we age. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:29:41 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: NYE Tape Offer Hi everyone, I just recieved a tape in the mail from a non-listmember that is labled Club 47, Cambridge, MA. 1/68 The songs are as follows: Cactus Tree Night in the City Gift of the Magi? At this point there is a fade and a DJ identifies a radio station as WTBS Cambrige. I Had A King Morning Morgantown Balerina Valerie Song to a Seagull Both Sides Now Conversation Come To The Sunshine? Chelsea Morning Pirate of Penance The Way It Is The Dawntreader There is much talk between songs including a long intro to Ballerina V., as well as mention of her upcoming first album AND IT'S NAME among many other things. My questions for anyone (or Simon) are as follows: What is the correct exact date of this show? Is the venue information correct? Is this complete and/or in correct order? Are these song titles correct? Finaly, for those who have read this far, I will spin a copy of this for B&P to the first non digester to respond and the first digester to respond (include copy of digest please). Also, if this turns out to be anything rare (fat chance having reached me), I would be happy to provide it as a seed for a tree as the quality is quite good. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:46:23 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Tape offer closed NJC The non-digest part of this offer is now closed. Congrats to Mark D. Happy New Year gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:59:16 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry When I was born, the midwife took a look at me(all 14lbs of me) and slapped my mother! Susan Chaloner wrote: > Absolutely none... > > I tried crying once soon after I was born when my mother never made any > milk and it never did any good ;~D Instead those suited stethoscoped > bastards smacked me...Idiots! > > Susan L.A. > Honey McBabe-"...Restitution, what good can it do?.."-JoniM - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:59:20 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story > > > Don't get me started on record stores...and is it a LAW that every > record store employee must have at least a dozen chunks of metal > hanging from his/her ears & face? Well I just got back from the West End where I treated myself to 3 chunks of stainless steel to hang from my ear! I first pierced them myself, in 75 with ice and a sewing needle! i have also grown my hair long(leaving the grey!) instead of the shved head I had for years. Now that I am 40 i feel like a teen again-also weaing by royal blue DM's and combat trousers!(nice blue of course). > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:04:15 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: men vs. women fans, retraction Robert Glenn Plotner wrote: > Sgt. Mouse here, jimdle police. Step out of the vehicle, folks. I > suppose you want to know why I pulled you over? Humor violation. > That's right. I'm a straight man without a punchline. Now beat me over > the head with my nightstick, kick me in the groin, and get out of here. As if I would ever do such a thing! You can't help being you. The one thing I have learned is tolerance.Have a great 99 bw colin > > > Ignatz the Mighty Metaphorical Mouse > (just humorin' myself through the blank stare of the humorless > monitor--it's but a lark, a jape, a jest, a squib, and a sally) ;) > > catman wrote: > > >>Mary, dear, don't let any stick- in -the -arse get to to you! There > was nothing wrong with your question! besides any man that is offended > just doesn'taccept > the superiority of women. and in turn women don't accept the > surperiority of gay man and women.Now i bet you didn't know that!<< > > Mary Becker wrote: > > I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my gender question. My point was > really > > that I was pleased to find a good mix of men and women on the list.> > > Am I making this worse? I'm sure those on the JIMDLE police will let > me> know! > > == > Ignatz Mouse's Tape Trade Archive and Seriously Disturbed Humor http://members.xoom.com/rabidfox > > Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:08:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans Now you know what I'll be thinking of everytime I listen to Hejira! John Villasana wrote: > I like to pump iron when I listen to Hejira. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:14:09 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Joni on VHI (and some weepy songs) I think someone already mentioned that Joni was number 32 in VH1's list of the 100 greatest rock stars of all time. It was galling, of course, to see some of the names that are allegedly "greater" than Joni. And of all the musicians they could have picked to comment on Joni, they chose...Jackson Browne?!? Strange! But the brief snippets of Joni performing were good to see, of course. BTW, some of my weepy songs: Moon River Never Never Land, from Peter Pan (so sue me) Anache Gordon, a traditional everybody-dies ballad sung by Mary Black I'll Love You Forever (based on the children's picture book) Try to Remember from the Fantasticks Mothers, Daughters, Wives, an anti-war song by Judy Small Barbara Allen -- this is where I start bawling when I'm watching the Alastair Sims version of A Christmas Carol Joy be to you, and a jolly Wassail! ~Deb Messling ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:12:35 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: new year's (NJC) From one of the list's lurkers--most of the time. Just wanted to tell everyone that since I joined the list (October), I have enjoyed the posts tremendously. I have laughed, cried, actualized, realized, sympathized and empathized. I've closed out this year, not by choice because the darn thing flew by so fast (just like this train). Anyways, resolutions or not, I wish everyone a very Happy New Year. God (however you interpret him/her/it) Bless you!! One question before I go, just how many times do you think we'll have to listen to Prince's 1999???????????? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:16:25 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Male vs. Female Joni fans __Catman wrote: John Villasana wrote: > I like to pump iron when I listen to Hejira. Maybe they should re-release it with 'YMCA' as a hidden track...:~D - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:20:01 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Favourite films of the year Elizabeth was excellent. The Butcher Boy was also excellent(if macabre) What Dreams May Come ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:23:01 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Male vs. Female Joni fans Reminds me of Bette Midler doing a skit about Lets Get Physical. Listen to your body talk-I did-it said 'fuck you'! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:26:06 +0000 From: catman Subject: My Lovelies Bearing in mind that reality is what we think it: HAVE A GREAT 99 ALL OF YOU. even if you never get to meet me- it'll still be great. Love colin - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:26:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: (NJC) Tears in Heaven "John M. Lind" wrote: > Can somebody fill me in on the details of this story? All I know about it > is that Clapton's infant son fell to his death from a high hotel window. > I'd like to know more of the details of the situation though, because with > only these simple facts I'v always had trouble feeling sorry for Clapton. I > have little or no sympathay for somebody who would leave an infant alone in > a high-rise room with an open, un-barred window. > > John~ The maid left the window open. Now, why did they DESIGN a building like that? RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:30:13 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Weepy songs again Madden wrote: > > Everybody Hurts (REM) - someone mentioned this one already - it's a great song This is a good one but the one I meant to mention (and forgot) is REM's 'The Wrong Child' from the 'Green' album. Also Tom Waits' 'St. Charles Avenue'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:30:08 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: men vs women fans From: "paul tyrer" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:29:03 -0000 Hey Colin are gay men really superior to women? i think not! Tsk tsk, how can you say this when one considers the evidence: Gay men: liberace, jimi somerville, george michael Women: carly, joni, rickie, nina simone, pj harvey, bjork, tracey thorn, pooka, imogen heap, the woman that used to be good in 10000 maniacs, madonna, tori, kate bush, cher (OK I go too far with that last one!) as a gay man myself, i am delighted to support anyone who proclaims the superiority of woman! Gay men are only superior to straight men, as i'm sure you'll acknowledge after further thought. PX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:29:35 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: diary of a decade From: "paul tyrer" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:17:24 -0000 hi everyone a coupla questions. i used to have the vinyl version of court and spark but kindly gave it away when i bought the cd. but the cd has always sounded a bit muffled to me and it was only when i read a review of a new vinyl release of c&s that i realized that it wasn't just my ears or my cheap cd player! is there a top quality c&s available now on cd? (I really can't be arsed to go back to vinyl). also, what are these tape trees people keep talking about?? if you can trade for tapes and/or bootleg cds of early joni, then i'm interested! my one tradeable joni item is the london catalogue for her diary of a decade show in 1990. i was just about to clip out the fab dog eat dog colour print for my new house and send it to the printers when i thought of those early bootleg cds... and wavered... I saw the show, anyway. I was in London a day before the opening, but had to get the early evening train back to manchester. So I begged the woman at the door to let me in with various (in retrospect) embarrassing statements like 'But I'm her greatest fan!' 'I have to see those paintings!!' etc etc. Anyway, the poor tired woman couldn't be bothered (I think) to argue so she just let me in. And it was fab. I was there on my own in this huge room with stacks of joni's paintings everywhere. and it was her best work (IMHO) - lots of de-kooning-like stuff from the dog eat dog days - including what was supposed to be the front cover. (whatever happened to that BTW? In the Whistle Test special on JM in 95, she said it was to be on the cover of the 12" dance mix of the single, but i never saw that in the UK.). Anyway, it was a great show and i got a free catalogue too, so if anyone's interested in trading please lemme know. PX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:35:49 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: new year's (NJC) I'm guessing 365 (Is '99 a leap year?). Oh, and what will it be of? (Cat, dog, wombat, yellow bellied sapsucker, dodo bird, etc.) Mark, who wishes everyone a great 1999! At 1:12 PM -0500 12/31/98, MHart16164@aol.com wrote: > One question before I go, just how many times do you think we'll have to > listen to Prince's 1999???????????? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:47:35 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: diary of a decade > From: "paul tyrer" > > > i used to have the vinyl version of court and spark but kindly gave it > away when i bought the cd. but the cd has always sounded a bit muffled > to me and it was only when i read a review of a new vinyl release of c&s > that i realized that it wasn't just my ears or my cheap cd player! is > there a top quality c&s available now on cd? (I really can't be arsed > to go back to vinyl). > You're right. The original CD sounded like total garbage, screechy horns, very tinny. They have remastered. Look for the little logo "HDCD" on the back. This one sounds nice! Also I think Mobile Fidelity Labs did an audiophile version of it a few years ago, but I believe it's out of print now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:47:25 -0800 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Top Movies of '98 (NJC) I'm not sure if these all came out in '98, but these are some of my faves that I caught... Jackie Brown A Bugs Life 12 Angry Men Spitfire Grill The Haunted ( A newish indie film, not the horror flick of the '70's) Something About Mary Happy New Year Everybody! Davina np: Paul Mc. and Wings...Band on the Run ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:57:13 -0500 From: Claud.Loren.Carter@ccMail.Census.Gov Subject: Damm, I love my wife (NJC) All, As I was preparing to leave for work to this morning, I walked over to kiss my wife good-by. She grabbed me by the neck, said "your were great in '88, will you be mine in '99". Now, I ask you, how could I not do nice things for this woman all the time? Sorry to clutter and bore the list with stuff that only concerns me, but dammit, I had to tell someone! Loren....who's feeling pretty damm good these days..... NP...I Just Called to Say I Love You....Stevie Wonder.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:59:42 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) OK Gang, we've talked before about the R&R Hall of Fame, I'm a supporting member (Lame or not, I think it should be supported) so I get their little publication 'Liner Notes'. The latest one has the names and bios of the 14th annual inductees. I need you guys to help me understand why all these folks are being inducted: 1. Billy Joel - OK I'm buying this one, although if you look at his body of work you probably have more mediocre stuff than standout - still, he's endured some bad management, bounced back, and puts on a dynamic live show to this day. 2. Curtis Mayfield - No question here either, from his days with The Impressions to his vast catalogue of hits to Superfly, + he gets the sentimental vote since he was disabled in a freak accident. 3. Paul McCartney - Of course, he's already in as a Beatle, so we're talking about his SOLO stuff and WINGS stuff now - had he not been a former Beatle, would anyone have cared about ANY of these records? I bought most of them, expecting that same Beatle magic and it just never happened, for me anyway... 4. Del Shannon - No way. Basically a one-hit wonder (OK, the one hit WAS a biggie) but still, after "Runaway" you've got "Hats Off to Larry", "Little Town Flirt" (minor hits at best), and then what? At this rate, Chumbawamba will be in the hall in 2010. 5. Dusty Springfield - So her debut was the first song played on "Top of the Pops" - big deal..."Wishin' & Hopin'" was a great piece of Bacharach Pop that would've struck gold for anybody, and the only other substantial hit in my mind is the gargantuan "Son of a Preacher Man" from her classic "Dusty in Memphis". If one stellar album qualifies one for the Hall, look out, here comes Meat Loaf... 6. The Staple Singers - Puhleeze! One hit "I'll Take You There", they did a carbon copy of it with "If you're Ready"(Come Go with Me) for a follow-up, then showed up again with "Let's Do It Again" from a movie soundtrack. Sure, their history may go back to the 30's but this IS Rock & Roll we're talking about and in my opinion their R&R contributions are microscopic. Strictly a PC candidate... 7. Bruce Springsteen - Now you're talking! Blue Collar Rocker builds on the foundations laid by Woody Guthrie & Dylan, plays marathon shows where he embodies the Rock & Roll working man and, like Joni, may actually have some of his best stuff ahead of him. No doubt, I'll hold the door open for you Mr. Boss... 8. Early Influences - Charles Brown, Bob Wills & His Texas Playboys, George Martin: "Influences" are harder to argue so they all get a "Get into the Hall Free" card as far as I'm concerned. If anybody feels differently about any of the above, please feel free to share - this are just my opinions... Bob M in SC NP: Steely Dan, The Caves of Altamira ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:59:14 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #532 Weepy songs? Well...for me it has to be It Makes No Difference by The Band. It is sung by Rick Danko but I believe written by Robbie Robertson. He was iiiiiiinnnn paaaaaain, man! Another that comes to mind is Sweet Old World by Luncinda Williams. I tried to think of a tear jerker by Dylan but I doubt there is one...his sadness almost always had an angry edge or maybe it was just cynicism, I'm not sure. Will this even get posted to the Digest??? I'm confused about how to respond. Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:06:05 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Damm, I love my wife (NJC) Loren wrote: Loren, what happened to you all those years in between? ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:09:31 CST From: "Ryan Lantrip" Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution (SJC now) >I think I just added "Learning to play the guitar" to my resolution >list! just out of curiousity, how hard is it to play a joni song on guitar anyway? i'm not a guitarist myself, but some of her songs sound quite complex to me. just wonderin' RL ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:05:42 -0800 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: new year's (NJC) At 1:12 PM -0500 12/31/98, MHart16164@aol.com wrote: >> One question before I go, just how many times do you think we'll have to >> listen to Prince's 1999???????????? And then Mark D. wrote: >I'm guessing 365 (Is '99 a leap year?). To which I reply.... I'm sure it will be at least 1999 times! After we probably sit through 1999 segments of MTV or VH1's 1,999 worst, best, silliest and where are they now videos and video artists. Best, Davina sp: Band on the Run... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:15:53 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC - Dylan tear jerkers At 12/31/98 11:59 AM , Ginamu@aol.com wrote: >I tried to think of a tear jerker by Dylan but I doubt >there is one...his sadness almost always had an angry edge or maybe it was >just cynicism, I'm not sure. A Dylan fan counters with these non-angry, non-cynical tunes penned by the Zimster himself: Girl From The North Country Boots of Spanish Leather One Too Many Mornings I Threw It All Away One More Night You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go etc.. etc... somebody's got to do it... Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Tape offer closed This offer is now closed. Tape info still needed though. gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:01:35 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Bob said: > If anybody feels differently about any of the above, please feel free > to share - this are just my opinions... I'd be glad to Bob : > 1. Billy Joel - No way. Never liked the fellow. > > 2. Curtis Mayfield - No question here either, Agree > > 3. Paul McCartney - Of course, he's already in as a Beatle, so we're > talking about his SOLO stuff and WINGS stuff now - had he not been a > former Beatle, would anyone have cared about ANY of these records? I > bought most of them, expecting that same Beatle magic and it just > never happened, for me anyway... He made some huge records on his own like Jet, My Love, Band on The Run etc. The most significant Beatle in my opinion. > > 4. Del Shannon - No way. Basically a one-hit wonder (OK, the one hit What's wrong with one hit wonders ? Are Procul Harum in it yet ? > > 5. Dusty Springfield - So her debut was the first song played on "Top > of the Pops" - big deal..."Wishin' & Hopin'" was a great piece of > Bacharach Pop that would've struck gold for anybody, and the only > other substantial hit in my mind is the gargantuan "Son of a Preacher > Man" from her classic "Dusty in Memphis". If one stellar album > qualifies one for the Hall, look out, here comes Meat Loaf... The greatest female singer before Joni arrived on the scene. Should have been in it years ago. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:09:39 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Teary Songs (and entire catalogs)NJC >><< In My Life by Judy Collins >> >> I agree, this was a great record, and it also contained a fine version of Suzanne. Her version of In My Life was a huge improvement on The Beatles original in my opinion. Judy Collins seemed to bring out a range of emotions and femininity that were missing in the fab four's rather deadpan delivery. She also thankfully dropped the cod barogue middle eight. Lennon considered this to be one of his finest songs, yet rather than praise Judy Collins for her beautiful reworking of the song he saw fit to slag her in Rolling Stone. I wonder about that. Another Beatle tune which I think benefited from a feminine touch was "I Will" as done by Maura O'Connell on her second album. Happy New Year to all the lovely people on this list. Philip NP Saint Etienne - Good Humor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:34:19 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: happy new year's listers! (NJC) just want to take a quick moment to wish all of you a safe and happy new year's! bless us - don't let us lose the drift! love and peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:34:42 -0800 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Bob Wrote: - - > OK Gang, we've talked before about the R&R Hall of Fame, I'm a > supporting member (Lame or not, I think it should be supported) so I > get their little publication 'Liner Notes'. The latest one has the > names and bios of the 14th annual inductees. I need you guys to help > me understand why all these folks are being inducted: > > 1. Billy Joel - **Frankly, I've never been a very big fan of Billy Joel's. How can this man be described as rock and roll anyway. > 2. Curtis Mayfield - **No question here either..big nod on my part. > 3. Paul McCartney - **Very deserving. Yes he is already in as a Beatle, but look at all the great stuff he churned out in his post-beatle days. The Venus and Mars album, Live and Let Die, Uncle Albert, Rock Show, Maybe I'M Amazed, the entire Band on the Run album that I've been listening to all morning. This is great stuff, definately a deserving inductee in my opinion. > 4. Del Shannon - **I agree a one hit wonder that's a mediocre artist to begin with. There are too many others that deserve it before this guy. > > 5. Dusty Springfield - **Dusty gets a nod.> > 6. The Staple Singers - **See comment number 4 7. Bruce Springsteen - **The boss get's a vote here. Why has it taken so long? > 8. Early Influences - **Charles Brown should have been a first year inductee in my opinion. Davina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:56:05 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Happy New Year ... (njc) Here's hoping everybody has a sane and safe and happy New Year. Remember folks, it's amateur night -- so let's be careful out there! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:26:31 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR (SJC) I joined the list last Feb to get in on the 1st annual writer's contest. I must say I have enjoyed being a part of this special group! I appreciate Wally's & Les' efforts in bringing together all of us Joni fans. Have a happy New Year celebration everyone! I hope this new year brings about the Joni bio & art books she's been working on! Happy New Year! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:26:29 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: new year's (NJC) >One question before I go, just how many times do you think we'll have to >listen to Prince's 1999???????????? Someone has to do it...... (I LOVE this song!) "I was dreamin' when I wrote this Forgive me if it goes astray But when I woke up this mornin' Coulda sworn it was judgment day The sky was all purple There were people runnin' everywhere Tryin' 2 run from destruction U know I didn't even care 'Cuz they say two thousand zero zero party over Oops out of time So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999 Yeah 1999, don'tcha wanna go, don'tcha wanna go..." O(+> What a year this has been for us - we could do our own JMDL Top 10 of 1998! Happy New Year and Love to everyone, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:44:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Favourite films of the year Gods and Monsters was my #1. Opposite of Sex #2. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:42:14 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: This just in from Rolling Stone... Well, the annual "best of the year" issue is out, and our Joni's got some mentions! In the category "Best Tour, Pearl Jam wins, but honorable mention goes to Bob Dylan-Joni Mitchell-Van Morrison tour. Joni gets "Most Welcome Comeback" (Gee fellas, maybe you could have welcomed her in style with a cover...or AT LEAST a record review... Bob M. in SC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:35:03 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) Bob, I am fairly neutral to all of your opinions of the 1999 R&R Hall of Fame inductees except this one: > 5. Dusty Springfield - So her debut was the first song played on "Top > of the Pops" - big deal..."Wishin' & Hopin'" was a great piece of > Bacharach Pop that would've struck gold for anybody, and the only > other substantial hit in my mind is the gargantuan "Son of a Preacher > Man" from her classic "Dusty in Memphis". If one stellar album > qualifies one for the Hall, look out, here comes Meat Loaf... Oh no, no, no.... Please check out her huge catalog online for a bigger picture. She is the most deserving of the list to be in there and should have been inducted years ago! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:01:38 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Damm, I love my wife (NJC) Claude crowed: >She grabbed me by the neck, said "your were great in '88, >will you be mine in '99". Now, I ask you, how could I not do nice things >for this woman all the time? and lest we not forget good old '69... ;-D Happy New Year! Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:12:48 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees (NJC) At 01:59 PM 12/31/98 -0500, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > OK Gang, we've talked before about the R&R Hall of Fame, > I need you guys to help > me understand why all these folks are being inducted: This is precisely why the Hall's selection process has been ridiculed! It would seem that the criteria for entering the hall is ambiguous. While many deserving of the honor are already inducted, there are others who are conspicuously absent and some who are "in" but have no appreciable talent. No wonder Joni holds the hall in disdain; she *knows* it's hollowed much more than hallowed. Scott, who thinks "Stay in Touch" would be a great segue to "Auld Lang Syne" tonight at midnight.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:49:44 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: 1999 (the song, that is) In a message dated 12/31/98 1:38:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: (regarding PRINCE's 1999) << Someone has to do it...... (I LOVE this song!) >> now THERE"S a song i can dance to without the obligatory 6 beers! (is prince in the R&R hall of fame? should be, the little weirdo!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #533 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. 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