From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #531 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 531 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Women vs. Men Fans [Robert Glenn Plotner ] NJC: Thanks! You guys are the best ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Teary Songs ["Kakki" ] Re: Songs that make me cry ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: (NJC) the best gift we GAVE [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Weepies (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] men vs. women fans, retraction [Mary Becker ] Re: Weepies [Brian Gross ] Recasting "Dancin' Clown" [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: (NJC) the best gift we GAVE [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story [Mark Domyancich ] Re[2]: Weepies (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: Weepies [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Teary Songs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Dancing Clown Casting Call ["John M. Lind" ] Kakki & Duane [Steve Dulson ] Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Like a River [catman ] NJC Mike Friedman [catman ] Re: men vs. women fans, retraction [catman ] Re: Top ten songs that make you cry (NJC) [catman ] xmas has flu-wn by... (NJC) [Bounced Message ] Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story -NJC by now [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Songs That Make You Cry, (SJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re[2]: Another Guitar and Joni Story [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Great stories/Weepies [Diana Duncan ] Joni at 2nd Fret [LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)] Re: Songs that make me cry [Susan Chaloner ] New Year's Resolution (sorta JC) ["Don Rowe" ] stories ["Gerald Hillman" ] Re[2]: Songs that make me cry [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: xmas has flu-wn by... (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story ["Kakki" ] Re: New Year's Resolution (sorta JC) ["Marsha" ] Re: New Year's Resolution (NJC now) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Songs that make me cry [Susan Chaloner ] Songs that make me Cry (SJC) [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] Re[2]: Another Guitar and Joni Story [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] i am the new year (NJC, NEC, NPBC) [Marilune@aol.com] Mandocello [Leslie Mixon ] Re: one more crying song (njc) [luvart@snet.net] Re: Music and Tears (NJC) [Mark or Travis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:20:58 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: Women vs. Men Fans Hey, hey! What's with this male fan bit? Reminds me a little of Joni's complaint that she is often cited as a female artist. You're crushing my monkey here! Looking for the raspberry sauce, Robert == Ignatz Mouse's Tape Trade Archive and Seriously Disturbed Humor http://members.xoom.com/rabidfox Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:43:25 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Thanks! You guys are the best Since it is the end of the year, I'd like to restate my appreciation for the sites, and the Discussion List. My hat's off to Les and Wally. Thanks. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:49:08 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Teary Songs I'm also one who tends to mostly cry during movies and sometimes reading books, but there are a few songs that bring me to the brink - All I Know by Art Garfunkel Galveston by Jimmy Webb In My Life by Judy Collins Mother's Spiritual by Laura Nyro Little Green by JMDL'er Bryan Thomas Over The Rainbow by Livingston Taylor Chase The Clouds Away - The Rembrandts Heart To Heart - Ambrosia Fields of Gold - Sting Any Other Time - David Benoit and David Pack Kakki Now Sniffling at: Any Other Time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:38:46 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry October by U2 is the first song I remember making me cry. I had just picked up my father's ashes from the funeral home. When I heard "and kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall but you go on and on" it was cathartic! Five days after he died I was finally able to cry. I sobbed for hours and it felt SO good. I Can't Make You Love Me by Bonnie Raitt once made me weep and it's still my favorite ballad. Rachmaninoff's Rhapsody on a Theme from Paganini always brings tears to my eyes. Slouching Towards Bethlehem & Stay In Touch are the Joni songs that make me cry for completely different reasons. One for the coldness, the other for the warmth, of humanity. Lie In Our Graves by the Dave Matthews Band breaks me up every time, not because of the lyrics, but rather, the overwhelming brillience of it's arrangement. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:37:17 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) the best gift we GAVE In a message dated 29/12/98 21:34:40, jml@amweaver.com writes: << Easy! Virtually since the day I met my wife she's been talking about how much she's always wanted a bard's harp. Guess what I got her for Christmas? It took her about 15 minutes to stop crying before she could even try to play anything on it. I felt like I had the whole world inside of me expanding against my chest trying to get out. >> Aw bless! That is so sweet, Bob! Even if I don't know what a bard's harp is!! I've always found it difficult to find really good presents for people. I think the ones that make me feel the best are the compilation tapes I do for friends, because I put a lot of thought into them, and spreading the word about great music is a beautiful thing to do. I love it when people get into an artiste because of a tape I've done for them. I guess that's going to mean more to me than something I've bought in a shop, even though those gifts can go over well too... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:37:24 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Weepies (NJC) In a message dated 30/12/98 05:47:57, Steve posed the question: << So tell me, why does another song about Romantic Deaths of the Young, "Richard Thompson's 1952 Vincent Black Lightening," work powerfully, but on a totally different basis? It's a great song, a classic, in fact, but does anyone get dewy-eyed listening to it? Not me! Why not? >> I agree it's a classic - in fact, I think it's one of the greatest of a genius's back catalogue. I've never thought of it as a tear-jerker, more a riveting story song. There isn't much emotion in it, which is why it doesn't arouse emotion in me. On the other hand, "Dimming of the Day", as sung by either Linda Thompson or Bonnie Raitt, is more the choking kind. On the subject of Bonnie, someone else mentioned her gorgeous rendition of "I Can't Make You Love Me", which exemplifies everything that makes her such a great singer. I remember reading an interview in which she admitted she'd had difficulty getting through the song in the studio. [George Michael is a pretty good singer himself, but his version leaves me cold, mainly because he commits the classic sin of singing too many notes!] On the subject of singers getting caught up in the emotion of what they're singing, and coming back to Christine Collister [as I'm wont to do!], I remember Gregson & Collister's final London show before their permanent parting; she sang "Beguiling Eyes" with such emotional force and passion that she was a bit overcome herself, and had to take a few moments to compose herself. Even the resolutely down-to-earth Clive Gregson cast her an admiring and affectionate glance and said "Phew! There's one I never get tired of". I was in the front row that night, and it was a moment I'll never forget. But did I cry, I hear you ask?? Well, that was then, when I was a bit of an emotional ice man, and before therapy!! Always good to know there are more Christine Collister fans out there, Steve! As I may have said before, if anyone is curious about her, I'd be happy to put a little compilation together. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:20:31 -0500 From: Mary Becker Subject: men vs. women fans, retraction I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my gender question. My point was really that I was pleased to find a good mix of men and women on the list. Am I making this worse? I'm sure those on the JIMDLE police will let me know! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Weepies "Steve Garrison" wrote > Tom Rush, in addition to "Circle > Game" used to do "Urge for Going" and his own(?) "Child's Song," > misty-fiers all. (Don't even want to tell you how many years I listened to > his UFG before I became aware it was Joni's). Child's Song was written by Murray McLaughlin, whose own performance of it pales in comparison to Tom's. BTW, it is one of my earliest weepies. Brian np:CNN === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:40:20 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Recasting "Dancin' Clown" Don, I could go a couple of ways here. One, let Joni do the whole thing ala "Furry" where she portrays and emotes the character(s) herself. Second, your idea of bringing Prince into it works (After all, Rowdy reacts by saying "Hot Damn" when Suzie, a black chick who is 'high yellow and top nice' walks by. As "high yellow" refers to a fair-skinned black, Suzie WOULD appear hot to him, and we know in the real world that's the type he goes for... The part of Jesse I don't have so much of a problem with - it's so small it's hardly noticeable, I didn't realize it was Tom Petty until I read the credits. George could do it, but with what I know about him now I wouldn't buy him saying "Yum" at Suzie. (Maybe "I wonder if she's got a little brother at home") ;~D Clint Eastwood could do it since it doesn't require much singing and he's already played Rowdy Yates on TV...;~D Plus his son has Joni-connections... Thanks for the comeback! I think we all owe it to ourselves to dig deeper into the Joni songs that DON'T move us as much to allow them to reach us more effectively. Bob M. NP: Black Crow from MSG show, 11/01/98 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: CMIARS & Opinions Author: "Don Rowe" at fdinet Date: 12/29/98 2:18 PM Bob writes ... >I just think that "Clown" is misproduced & "miscast" - and you're NOT >wrong and neither am I - opinions can't be wrong. That's what makes >this so much fun! > Okay, so let's have some more fun and play Bonnie Timmerman for a bit. If you could "recast" that song, who's in? Personally I would have gone for Prince (that was his name then, anyway) and George Michael. What a trio THAT would've been! Have at it ... Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:50:23 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story Kakki wrote: He said a few quite interesting things that I cannot repeat here (Joni-related but nothing to do with her personally) Kakki, Great story - thanks for sharing, but you certainly aroused my curiosity with this comment... Bob M. NP: Amelia from MSG, that beautiful Greg Liesz "peddle" steel... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:00:38 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: (NJC) the best gift we GAVE Azeem, Thanks, but the comment was from John, not me...if I gave my Mrs. anything besides jewelry I'd get it thrown back at me :>D Bob, who also considers the compilation tapes he's made over the years to be among his finest gifts ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: (NJC) the best gift we GAVE Author: AzeemAK@aol.com at fdinet Date: 12/30/98 6:37 AM In a message dated 29/12/98 21:34:40, jml@amweaver.com writes: << Easy! Virtually since the day I met my wife she's been talking about how much she's always wanted a bard's harp. Guess what I got her for Christmas? It took her about 15 minutes to stop crying before she could even try to play anything on it. I felt like I had the whole world inside of me expanding against my chest trying to get out. >> Aw bless! That is so sweet, Bob! Even if I don't know what a bard's harp is!! I've always found it difficult to find really good presents for people. I think the ones that make me feel the best are the compilation tapes I do for friends, because I put a lot of thought into them, and spreading the word about great music is a beautiful thing to do. I love it when people get into an artiste because of a tape I've done for them. I guess that's going to mean more to me than something I've bought in a shop, even though those gifts can go over well too... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:06:51 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story Great story, Kakki! In case anyone does want to get a Baby Collings (And yes, that is what they're called and they do exist), Mandolin Bros. on Staten Island have them. They also have a web page: http://www.mandoweb.com At 11:00 PM -0800 12/29/98, Kakki wrote: ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:21:29 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Weepies (NJC) Azeem wrote: On the subject of Bonnie, someone else mentioned her gorgeous rendition of "I Can't Make You Love Me", which exemplifies everything that makes her such a great singer. I remember reading an interview in which she admitted she'd had difficulty getting through the song in the studio. [George Michael is a pretty good singer himself, but his version leaves me cold, mainly because he commits the classic sin of singing too many notes!] Azeem, I agree that Bonnie's version is great and tear-inducing, but the version that tears ME up is Prince/Artist's version on "Emancipation" - full bore wringing every emotion out of every word, even introduces more hope into it mixed with the frustration... Bob M. NP: "Comes Love" from MSG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:29:16 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Weepies Brian wrote: Child's Song was written by Murray McLaughlin, whose own performance of it pales in comparison to Tom's. BTW, it is one of my earliest weepies. And I suppose no list of weepies is complete without Harry Chapin's "Cat's In The Cradle" or Cat Steven's "Father & Son"...Bob M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:04:35 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story Kakki, What a marvelous story. All these Joni stories are making my day, I'll tell you. Next time I head out to the guitar store, I'll have to check out that Baby Taylor. My "grown up" Taylor has become my favorite, over the Martin these days because of the ease in playing and the fat sound. But I'll never schlep it onto an airplane again! Enjoy- Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:13:30 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Teary Songs In a message dated 12/30/98 4:03:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << In My Life by Judy Collins >> Kakki, My father played the Bette Midler version for me recently, saying he thought it was great. But all he knew of the song was that it was by the Beatles and that my sister performs it a lot, accompanying herself on dulcimer. Bette's version left me cold. I know Judy's is a great version, but I'm wondering why you mention hers over Lennon's? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:22:43 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Dancing Clown Casting Call Don Rowe wrote: >Okay, so let's have some more fun and play Bonnie Timmerman for a bit. >If you could "recast" that song, who's in? Personally I would have gone >for Prince (that was his name then, anyway) and George Michael. What a >trio THAT would've been! Have at it ... Oh this is an easy one! Jesse - Seal Rowdy Yates - Tom Waits John~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:59:03 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Kakki & Duane The stories by Kakki (who it seems can go nowhere without having a Joni moment!) and Duane ("I was put in that place by God at the particular moment Christmas day") remind me of why I love this list and the friends I have made on it. A very happy 1999 to all. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://members.aol.com/tinkersown/home.html "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:04:48 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story Thank you, Kakki for the wonderful tale. You know, I usually dread having to go to music stores -- I've been in quite a few that made me feel like I was getting railroaded, some others that had this "too cool for thou" attitude, and still others where one could discover new species of cluelessness. You've restored my faith! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:17:56 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Like a River Might I suggest a hearing test? ;-) Carly can sing!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:50:17 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC Mike Friedman Mike-sorry I have not your address. Just to let you know the tape, posted on 21st Dec arrived through my door on the 24th Dec!!!! Thanks very much . Have a wonderful 99. luv colin - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:50:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: men vs. women fans, retraction Mary, dear, don't let any stick- in -the -arse get to to you! There was nothing wrong with your question! besides any man that is offended just doesn't accept the superiority of women. and in turn women don't accept the surperiority of gay man and women. Now i bet you didn't know that! Mary Becker wrote: > I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my gender question. My point was really > that I was pleased to find a good mix of men and women on the list. > > Am I making this worse? I'm sure those on the JIMDLE police will let me > know! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:50:51 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC) the best gift we GAVE Me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:50:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Top ten songs that make you cry (NJC) Like A River-Cary Simon Stay With Me - Bette Midler(almost unbearable) Honey-Booby Goldsboro (when I first heard it at aroiund 7 and it still gets me) Scorn Not His Simplicity- Sinead O'Conner Somewhere-West Side Story Will You-Hazel O'Conner(from Breaking Glass) Amouruse(sp?) Kiki Dee Waiting At The Gate-Carly Simon At Seventeen-Janis Ian Speed Of The Sound Of Lonliness-Nanci Griffith Job's Sad Song- Joni Mitchell I Have A Dream-ABBA Yesterday-Beatles You're My World-Cilla Black I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten -Tracy Ullman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:50:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Hate to do this but ... (NJC) mmm sorry sounds so lame but regret and forgiveness are important. Why is a blow job called a blowjob? Am I doing it wrong? Don Rowe wrote: > "Two top Khmer Rouge leaders apologized Tuesday for the deaths of as > many as 2 million people during their regime in the 1970's and > asked their countrymen to "let bygones be bygones." > > This from the lead story on the New York Times website ... the rest of > which is actually a bit uglier. You know, with this recent political > thread winding though the list, we should be thankful that President > Clinton is only having to apologize for a handfull of blow jobs. Oh > brother, what a metaphor, did I really just do that? Like I said, sorry. > ;-) > > Don Rowe > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:56:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Teary Songs IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/30/98 4:03:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net > writes: > > << In My Life by Judy Collins >> > > Kakki, > My father played the Bette Midler version for me recently, saying he thought > it was great. But all he knew of the song was that it was by the Beatles and > that my sister performs it a lot, accompanying herself on dulcimer. > Bette's version left me cold. I know Judy's is a great version, but I'm > wondering why you mention hers over Lennon's? > > Paul I Paul, Bette's version is from her movie For the Boys. If you ever watch the movie you will realize its emotional connection. Both Bette and Judy's versions are wonderful. The Beatles' version is a little too sing-song for me. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:54:46 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: xmas has flu-wn by... (NJC) From: "paul tyrer" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:50:09 -0000 hi everyone i've got flu - OK it's a mild version so i can sit by my computer and read the digest - but sympathy please. it's my week off! anyways reactions to digests (at speed while my Lemsip cools), rickie lee jones is great! and if she's wacked on drugs, excellent - expect a great next album (think only of Hejira!). Clinton has been unjustly impeached but is still ghastly; all these posts about meeting joni, seeing joni in concert, playing guitar with joni are making me mad with jealousy. Joni's last appearance in the UK was in the ice-age (normal punctuation has been resumed) and we're in need of some Spring here. i liked kakki's story about the guitars - the baby taylor sounds cool. I've got long fingers, so i can stretch to notes (uh-oh, punctuation's gone again) but i do have problems with barr chords cos aforementioned fingers are fairly weak. JM is supposed to have weak fingers after her polio bout, but holding down a barr chord on fret15 (e.g. on Turbulent Indigo) suggests bones of steel... And a (probably stupid) question... is a 'baby taylor' smaller than a standard acoustic?? Dancing Clown would be great with Kate Bush and Tori Amos - the original is fairly shocking. But i do like CMIARS generally - the tea-leaf prophecy is fab. Re songs to make you cry.. i don't cry to music generally, though (apparently) grown men have cried when i've sung with my (non-baby-taylor-alas) guitar!! anyway it's nearly new years - any resolutions out there?? i *would* promise to stop being grumpy and sarcastic (esp on the JMDL!), but i've tried that one and anyway my grouch of a dad tells me it's genetic and i should get over trying to be nice. =20 One resolution that i would like to make, though, is to write some songs in 1999. i was in a band years ago and wrote lots of songs that sounded like joni (except bad). but i kind of got disheartened by it never sounding as good as it did in my head. i guess i need some encouragement though so if there's anyone out there who would like to set a lyric to music - and *can* sing (unlike me) - lemme know and i'll send you a couple of pieces. collaboration could be fun! PX he's waiting at a station under a perfect sky though summer days like express trains have come and flown by and if it leaves him lonely for august and july it's just because they're calendars of goodbyes cos he's leaving on an outbound train and he don't know when he'll be coming back again... he's left behind his junk-mail and one or two regrets he guesses they'll be forwarded to his new address cos he knows that you can't blank the past no matter how you try to fill the corners of your vision with brand new sky from the window of a southbound train he don't know if he'll be coming back again you can spend a lot of money on a ticket to a new life but how are you supposed to know if the journey's worth the price till you've reached your destination and borne all the delays and the small-town-disappointment stops all along the way going south on that outbound train waiting for a signal in the rain... he don't know what he wants to be but you know there's no need to hurry they say 'get there in your own sweet time' like that slow train running down the line... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:07:47 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story Record stores are notorious for this... I remember wanting DJRD so I called up my record store: Hello? Hi, I'd like to order a CD. Huh? I said I'd like to order a CD. HUH? I SAID I'd like to order a CD. I can barely hear you. Can you please put me on with someone with a tad more experience? Huh? I hung up and called back about an hour later, got a different person, and got it worked out. At 8:04 AM -0800 12/30/98, Don Rowe wrote: > ...and still others where one could discover new >species of cluelessness. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:19:37 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story -NJC by now Sounds as though they are more customer service inexperienced. I would have used a word other than "huh" to let a customer know that I could not hear them. MG - partially deaf and can never hear right on the phone. Lots of puffy shirts in my wardrobe! >>> Mark Domyancich 12/30/98 10:07am >>> Record stores are notorious for this... I remember wanting DJRD so I called up my record store: Hello? Hi, I'd like to order a CD. Huh? I said I'd like to order a CD. HUH? I SAID I'd like to order a CD. I can barely hear you. Can you please put me on with someone with a tad more experience? Huh? I hung up and called back about an hour later, got a different person, and got it worked out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:30:53 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: re: songs that make you cry (sjc) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:25:52 -0700 From: Tom Turley Put me in the not-a-huge-crier category. I do remember being pretty weepy though a couple listenings of Julia Fordham's *Porcelain* album, but I think that had more to do with my then-sad little love life than with the music. Bob. M. beat me to the punch with the one consistent tear producer - "Somewhere" from West Side Story. Was washing the car one sunny day and started to sing it to myself and was a goner. Ever since that incident most any rendition of the song will induce at least a little boo hoo. I did get misty eyed over Hejira a couple of weeks ago, and it wasn't even playing. I got my vinyl albums out of storage after not looking at them for five or six years--winced though them in places (there's a thread--Deep Dark Secrets from Your Record Collection Past) but when I got to M and pulled out my pristine copy of Hejira, I was astounded. I've been looking at the jewel box art for Hejira for the last decade and forgot how striking the 12 by 12 album artwork can be. Size definitely counts. Everything about it was so lovely--feeling the raised letters of the title on the cover, the amazing photography, a most beautiful Joan presiding over the open road, icy lakes, and moody skies, the feel of opening the cover to have all the lyrics spread in front of you in such elegant type. Even the inside paper liner--a black-clad Joni hovering in a nearly black sky--all of it so beautiful. I was surprised at how overwhelmed I was--couldn't get over it without spilling a tear or two. Needless to say, it didn't go back into storage--think I'm going to get it framed for my office. Regards, Catherine T. np Rickie Lee--Ghostyhead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:21:39 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Songs That Make You Cry, (SJC) Since I am not at home with my CD collection, I'm sure I am leaving lots and lots of songs out. I cry so easily at music, books, movies, etc., so for me, it would be easier to make a list of songs that do NOT make me cry! LOL! A song can make me cry at the beauty of the music, at the poignancy of the words, the situation that I hear it in, or many other factors. Here is the short list of what songs move me, in no particular order: Arrow- Cheryl Wheeler Millworker- James Taylor The Hardest Part of Love- from the musical "Children of Eden" Face Lift- Joni- Oh, did I ever cry when I first heard this one! Colorado- Judy Collins Fields of Gold- Sting Valporiso- Sting These Old Walls- Jimmy Webb Let Her Go Down- Steeleye Span Meadowlark- from the musical "The Baker's Wife" Fir a Bhata- traditional An Deran- traditional The Fallow Way- Judy Collins, but the rendition of a fellow singer drove me to tears City Lights- Livingston Taylor- this one brings me to tears because of the context I first heard it in. I was seeing Liv Taylor in concert, and since this song is usually sung in harmony with his brother James, he kind of jokingly asked if anyone from the audience wanted to join him since James wasn't there. This kind of shleppy-looking guy starts walking toward the stage from his seat, (it was a very small theater), and I couldn't believe it! I thought, "What IS this guy doing?" Well.....he sang the most beautiful harmonies I've ever heard, and I just cried at not only the beauty of the song, but mostly at the courage and tenacity of this man. I can't hear that song without thinking of that moment. Night Ride Home- This isn't a song I usually cry at, but when I saw her perform this at Madison Square Garden, and she and Larry were looking at each other with such affection, I couldn't help myself. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:53:50 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Another Guitar and Joni Story Mark wrote: Record stores are notorious for this... I remember wanting DJRD so I called up my record store: Hello? Hi, I'd like to order a CD. Huh? I said I'd like to order a CD. HUH? I SAID I'd like to order a CD. I can barely hear you. Can you please put me on with someone with a tad more experience? Huh? I hung up and called back about an hour later, got a different person, and got it worked out. Don't get me started on record stores...and is it a LAW that every record store employee must have at least a dozen chunks of metal hanging from his/her ears & face? Anyway, that's not why I responded - while perusing the latest Rolling Stone I came upon an article about buying music on the Web. They mention a site WWW.GEMM.com that is not a store per se, but rather a middleman for lots of little stores. I did a search on "Mitchell, Joni" and turned up LOTS of stuff - no bootlegs, but rather lots of LP's CD's (new & used), interview promo CD's, singles, posters, music books, etc. If anyone is into collecting all things Joni and hasn't checked out this site, you owe it to yourself to do so. I didn't buy any Joni since I already have all the "known" stuff including the interviews from the Tape Trees, but I did pick up a copy of Xmas & the Beads of Sweat that I haven't been able to find (they also had Nested which is harder to find - I'll get that next) So if you've been looking for something lately, give it a try! Bob M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:41:51 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Great stories/Weepies I am really enjoying the wonderful stories that were posted today by this group of amazing people. You all know what a cynic I am. The optimism and faith in mankind's goodness that I feel from this list helps temper my bouts of negativity. I really want to thank all of you for this Internet community and Wally and Les for being the catalyst to its inception. I really think I would be a worse person if I did not have all of you to give me different perspectives to life. I even love the arguments as they make me see how harmful negativity can be. So here's to another year of sharing my life with 300 people..(is that how many are really on this list? or has it gone down since the tour's ended...Les?) I was trying to think of naming songs that make me cry but that's totally impossible. There would be a list of 5 million! I cry at everything! Hallmark commercials, Lassie, almost anything can set me off. I even got a little teary eyed in "Bugs Life" the other night. Overactive tear ducts I guess. I was wondering if everyone up in the Northwest is ok with all the flooding they've been having? Glad that Marsha's electricity wasn't off to long. I remember one Xmas at the farm in Missouri we had an ice storm in the middle of cooking Xmas dinner. There were many Xmas Turkeys thrown out that day. It was off for 3 days. Luckily the family had wood heat but of course the pump wouldn't work so no water. Ah,,, life in the Midwest. Want to wish everyone a safe and happy New Year. Diana ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein) Subject: Joni at 2nd Fret Hi again everyone! I got the tape of Joni at the 2nd Fret, Philadelphia 1972 from a non-list member and I'm not sure if my tape is the full and complete performance. I noticed from the tape tree history that this was split onto two tapes, both having Both Sides, Now and Song to a Seagull. Were there two perfomances of those songs or were they the same ones? Is Ballerina Valerie Joni's Coke commercial song? I would really appreciate it if someone could send me a set list of the original perfomance and not just what's on the tapes but the actual order and everything so I can check how close mine is to the original and if I have a complete tape. Thanks! Luke P.S. I have two copies of "Hits" and I"m loaning one to a friend--hopefully a future Joni convert! "But the clock is another demon that devours our time in Eden..." 10,000 Maniacs, 'Eden' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:51:31 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry Absolutely none... I tried crying once soon after I was born when my mother never made any milk and it never did any good ;~D Instead those suited stethoscoped bastards smacked me...Idiots! Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Restitution, what good can it do?.."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:21:12 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: New Year's Resolution (sorta JC) Well just as the 20th century is about to end I've finally decided to jump in and do something that I've been telling myself to do for the last 15 years -- I'm taking up the electric guitar. Now before everyone jumps in and starts howling, "You simply MUST learn acoustic first, it's the only proper way", let me say I'm aware of this. But electric is what I want to play, as a songwriting and compositional tool. Not to mention that a decent electric is far less of an initial investment vs. acoustic, which if this works out I can get later. The interesting thing is that my best friend, resident guitar genius and soon-to-be teacher suggested that, since I'm so into Joni anyway, why not learn to play in an alternate tuning (plans are to start in DADGAD). He assures me chord shapes are actually easier, and are pretty much what I'm going to end up doing if left to my own devices, so why not? So thoughts anyone? Just curious. I figure there's hope for this keyboard player/violinist yet! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:23:10 -0600 From: "Gerald Hillman" Subject: stories Cul wrote: "Anyway, it was this 15 year old maniac that came through the door blasting Joni in the face with my horn, totally interrupting their dinner and sending Joni into the front room covering her ears." That's hilarious! Thanks for piping up, Cul! Did you remind her of that moment when you met her on the ferry? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:30:47 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Songs that make me cry Susan L.A. said: I tried crying once soon after I was born when my mother never made any milk and it never did any good ;~D Instead those suited stethoscoped bastards smacked me...Idiots! So that's it Sooz! You're missing THE MILK OF HUMAN KINDNESS...;>D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:28:58 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: xmas has flu-wn by... (NJC) Paul T. wrote: >the baby taylor sounds cool. >I've got long fingers, so i can stretch to notes (uh-oh, punctuation's >gone again) but i do have problems with barr chords cos aforementioned >fingers are fairly weak. JM is supposed to have weak fingers after her >polio bout, but holding down a barr chord on fret15 (e.g. on Turbulent >Indigo) suggests bones of steel... And a (probably stupid) question... >is a 'baby taylor' smaller than a standard acoustic. Paul, The Baby Taylor is smaller than a standard acoustic and is about the size of childrens' guitars. The big difference is that it has a high-tech design that makes it sound just as loud and good as a full size. It is also very impressive looking because it is finely handcrafted like a work of art. I can relate to having weak fingers. Mine are weak because they are small and I also have nerve damage from an accident in my "barr finger"! But this little guitar with the lighter-weight strings really takes away much of the difficulty in playing for me! I am so happy with it and wish something like this would have been made years ago! The guy at Guitar Center and I talked about that and he said that the big companies like Martin and all for years resisted changing the essential design of guitars. Since Taylor is a newer and more innovative company, they went for it. Also, I loved your song lyrics! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:36:07 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story Bob and others are trying to get me to spill: > Kakki wrote: > He said a few quite interesting things that I cannot repeat here > (Joni-related but nothing to do with her personally) > > Kakki, > > Great story - thanks for sharing, but you certainly aroused my > curiosity with this comment... Ahem, trying to be as delicate as I can - let's just say he made some comments about a certain producer of some of Joni's music that are too strong for prime time here ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:46:05 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution (sorta JC) Don wrote: >The interesting thing is that my best friend, resident guitar genius and >soon-to-be teacher suggested that, since I'm so into Joni anyway, why >not learn to play in an alternate tuning (plans are to start in DADGAD). >He assures me chord shapes are actually easier, and are pretty much >what I'm going to end up doing if left to my own devices, so why not? > >So thoughts anyone? Just curious. I figure there's hope for this >keyboard player/violinist yet! After struggling with the near-impossible (for me) chord shapes with traditional tuning, (and I still have not developed calluses), I am ready to try anything that will make it easier. I thought of going the Joni route with open tunings, since her songs are what I want to learn anyway. But the problem seems to become the wear on the neck of the instrument with frequent tuning changes. The synthesized tuning, like with a Roland VG-8, would take care of that problem with the electrics. I enjoyed Kakki's coup of getting a smaller neck guitar. That might be my next solution. Ouch and with frustration, Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:51:12 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution (NJC now) In my opinion, it is easier to play an electric than an acoustic. If you haven't bought an electric yet, I would suggest getting a guitar that has 3 tuners on each side, like an acoustic. They stay in tune much, much better than a guitar that has all its tuners on one side. My bro has a Stratocaster that will not stay in tune worth a damn (Which has the tuners all on one side). Good luck! It's great to hear more and more people taking up the guitar! Cheers! Mark NP-Electricity ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:50:15 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Another Guitar and Joni Story Kakki wrote: > Ahem, trying to be as delicate as I can - let's just say he made some > comments about a certain producer of some of Joni's music that are too > strong for prime time here ;-) Well, maybe you can relay them in parables ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-NP-The Milking Dayz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:39:49 +0100 From: "sa" Subject: Little Green and songlist: Philadelphia, 3-19-1967 Here's a detailed, if uncomplete, songlist for this JM show and radio program, known to me as "Philadelphia, 3-19-1967": Little Green Marcie London Bridge Joni's Coke Commercial Michael from Mountains ........ I Don't Know Where I Stand ........ Winter Lady Mr. Blue Both Sides Now Urge for Going The Circle Game Morning Morgantown ........ Eastern Rain Song to a Seagull Night in the city Carnival in Kenora Just like Me Best wishes to all for a great new year. Sergio sa@seldati.it http://www.ecn.org/circ.a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:25:30 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Songs that make me cry Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > So that's it Sooz! You're missing THE MILK OF HUMAN KINDNESS...;>D Bob darlin'! If you really believe that then I suggest you take immediate action: jump on the very next flight and deliver me enough HUMAN KINDNESS MILK to raise the Dead Heads };~D Now let's have less milking and more triple sec-ing, thankyou! ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-NP-"I shall be released" from the milking dayz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:48:30 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Songs that make me Cry (SJC) Hi All Well there's only two for me. Cactus Tree and a song I wrote called An Ocean of Love.Both songs relate to the mother of my first child leaving me and taking my daughter saying she had to spend some time looking after her sick Grandmother.She was sick but my girl friend was pregnant to another man(her high school sweetie) within a month and married within 3 months.Little Green also makes me a bit misty eyed. Happy New Year to Everyone Cheers Michael michaelb@coolgold.com.au http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html Either we are alone in the universe ...........Or we're not............ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:51:55 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Another Guitar and Joni Story Kakki wrote: Bob and others are trying to get me to spill: > Kakki wrote: > He said a few quite interesting things that I cannot repeat here > (Joni-related but nothing to do with her personally) > > Kakki, > > Great story - thanks for sharing, but you certainly aroused my > curiosity with this comment... Ahem, trying to be as delicate as I can - let's just say he made some comments about a certain producer of some of Joni's music that are too strong for prime time here ;-) Kakki Kakki, you're so diplomatic - the better the dirt, the harder it is for me to sit on it..."I'm not above gossip but I'll sit on a secret where honor is at stake"...so I guess I'll respect your secret - shucks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:11:05 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: i am the new year (NJC, NEC, NPBC) just wanted to wish everyone a very happy new yearas i won't be online for about a week. i'm spending new years with a friend who doesn't have internet. merry '99 everyone. get nice and sauced. - -mariana "i am the sun i am the new year i am the way home" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:52:39 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Mandocello Speaking of mandocellos, for those of you who have "A Tape Of You", Steve is playing a mandocello on our version of "Carey." If you click on the link below, you can see a photo of Steve with his mandocello: http://gate.cruzio.com/~stevem/photos/Mandocello.html Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:24:44 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: one more crying song (njc) At 12:30 AM 12/30/98 -0600, you wrote: >Ooops, couldn't let the list of crying songs go by without mentioning >"John Doe No. 24" by Mary-Chapin Carpenter. Speaking of MCC songs .... Rhythm of the Blues and Not Too Much To Ask are real tear jerkers for me ..... Heather (putting the MCC Come On Come On CD on with hankie ready) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:47:33 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Music and Tears (NJC) Ashara@aol.com wrote: The > group was Peter, Paul, and Mary, and they had brought back their first album. > We all sat in the den, and they put on the album. I heard the harmonies, and > cried, and cried. For some reason Peter Paul & Mary have a similar effect on me. Their Holiday CD ends with a Hannukah song called 'Light One Candle' followed by 'Blowin' in the Wind'. Both don't just make me cry, they make me sob. PP&M's 'Day is Done' does it too. Bette Midler can also get me going, specifically 'The Rose', 'Stay With Me' and 'That May Be All I Need To Know'. Everybody's gonna groan at this one but I can hardly stand to hear Bonnie Tyler's 'Total Eclipse of the Heart' it literally upsets me too much. This is because of certain memories & associations with that song but then I suppose you could say that of all of my choices. Kakki mentioned Sting's 'Fields of Gold' and that's another one of mine. Everytime Richard Harris starts to sing 'Each evening from December to December/before you drift asleep upon your cot' at the end of the movie 'Camelot' I start in bawling. The same is true of the music that starts to play as George Bailey runs off the bridge at the end of 'It's A Wonderful Life'. I'm a wreck from there until the end of the movie. The odd thing is that my two favorite singers almost never move me to tears. Joni & Billie Holiday. Maybe because the sound of those two voices is so comforting to me. Certain songs by both of those women can put me in a very nearly blissful state. Some of them make me feel sad or melancholy but it's that 'comfort in melancholy' thang that Joni talks about I guess. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:52:59 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution (sorta JC) In a message dated 12/30/98 3:23:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, dgrowe@hotmail.com writes: << He assures me chord shapes are actually easier, and are pretty much what I'm going to end up doing if left to my own devices, so why not? >> Interesting question! I learned guitar in a more traditional, yet self-taught way, and think that if I had done otherwise, would have missed out in being able to play "non-Joni" pieces. Though her tunings pave the way for easier playing, I guess I'm sortta old fashioned and would suggest at least learning a few standard tuning pieces first. Then again, if you're SURE you only want to learn Joni songs, then...go for it. Terry, who enjoys playing some funky blues at times ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:02:25 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution (NJC now) In a message dated 12/30/98 3:53:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << My bro has a Stratocaster that will not stay in tune worth a damn (Which has the tuners all on one side). >> I have a Mexican made Strat and have the same problem. Don't know if the American made Strats do. Anyone know? BTW, my 1969 Martin acoustic also is tricky to tune. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:23:19 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Weepies (NJC) From: "Janis" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:58:39 -0600 Happy New Year, ALL! There are so many songs that bring me to tears of joy or tears of sadness. I have chosen a few to share with you. "Woman in Chains" Tears For Fears "Ghost of a Chance" Rush "Beauty and the Beast" Stevie Nicks "Unforgettable" Nat King Cole & Natalie Cole "Ordinary World" Duran Duran "Orpheus" David Sylvian "Outside Myself" K.D.Lang "Wicked Game" Chris Isaak "The Boy With The Thorn In His Side" The Smiths "These Are The Days of Our Lives" Queen with George Michael & Lisa Stansfield "Don't Give Up" Peter Gabriel & Kate Bush "Sirius" Clannad "Power of Two" Indigo Girls "Aria" Yanni "True Colors" Cindy Lauper "Time and Tide" Basia "I Didn't Know I Was Looking for Love" Everything But the Girl Compiling this list brought to mind many fond memories, mixed with the sadness of dear ones passing. Some of these songs even reflect present situations and the joy certain people bring to my life Peace, Janis :0) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #531 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?