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JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 530
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Tapes [LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)]
Re: Re[4]: Women vs. men fans (JC again) ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: Women vs. men fans (related JC) ["John M. Lind" ]
Re: Joni Following ["Don Rowe" ]
(NJC) the best gift we GAVE ["John M. Lind" ]
Top ten songs that make you cry (sjc) [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Green]
CMIARS & Opinions [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com]
Hate to do this but ... (NJC) ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: CMIARS & Opinions ["Don Rowe" ]
Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ]
Re[3]: Whoops! [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com]
Top Ten Songs That Make Me Cry (NJC) [evian ]
Re: Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC) [Marilune@aol.com]
Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC) ["M & C Urbanski" ]
p henry [Bounced Message ]
New Joni Following? Or same old one? (NJC) [Bounced Message ]
Re: New Joni Following? Or same old one? (SJC) [Bounced Message ]
Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC) [Janet Hess ]
Short Engagement (long) N real JC [DKasc13293@aol.com]
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:54:51 -0800 (PST)
From: LucasBC@webtv.net (Luke Bierlein)
Subject: Tapes
Hi again.
I was hoping someone might be willing to make me copies of a few tapes.
I only have like one tape from the trees, and I'm not really interested
in getting them all right now, but I'd really likecopies of:
Tape Tree #1
Tape Tree #3 tape #1
Tape Tree #5 tape #1
I have several live tapes of Sarah McLachlan, Natalie Merchant, 10,000
Maniacs (Natalie's old band). and Bjork. I could trade copies of those
or just send blanks, whichever you prefer. Thanks!!
Luke
"But the clock is another demon that devours our time in Eden..."
10,000 Maniacs, 'Eden'
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:16:55 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Women vs. men fans (JC again)
>Don wrote:
>
>"Well anyone who can put Billy Idol and Tom Petty together on a song
and
>have it actually work has got to be a genius of some kind."
>
> Well, Don, there's the rub...it DOESN'T work as far as I'm
> concerned...
>
> Bob, not the football guy but the other guy I referred to as "me"
CMIARS gets a bit of flak around this list. But flatly I'll stand on my
little flat feet and say, "Dancing Clown is a grand and a wonderful
thing." An electronically raw, overdriven and undecorated rocker,
complete with a car-wreck change of key, sung by an unlikely vocal trio,
whose voices compliment each other in a unique and enigmatic way. Plus,
we so rarely get to hear Joni really get down -- just one more thing
that makes "Dancing Clown" refreshing, much in the same way that "Blue
Motel Room" leavens the otherwise somber and reflective moods of
"Hejira." Of course, that's just my opinion ... I could be wrong.
Don Rowe
- -- who finds it interesting that the original subject of this thread was
"Women vs. Men Fans". So ah, who's dancin' now? ;-)
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:27:14 -0500
From: "John M. Lind"
Subject: Re: Women vs. men fans (related JC)
Mary Becker wrote:
>Forgot one of the questions I wanted to bring up. Another thing that
>surprizes me is how many men are on this list/Joni Mitchell fans.
>>snip<<
>Most of the guys I knew/know were not interested in lyrics, or what
>music had to "say" but were mostly into rock or blues. Which is fine,
>I like rock and blues too. It's just great to see how many guys
>are fans of Joni's talent.
Well, I've never exactly been part of the great American popular music
lemming's club so I can certainly relate to listening to someone that
nobody else I knew liked or had even heard of. I started getting into music
seriously when I was about ten or eleven and got horribly dissatisfied with
"pop" music and the radio when I was in junior high(7th grade roughly).
There were songs here and there that I liked but most of it didn't appeal
to me. It was either so musically redundant that it bored me to tears(blues
and most "rock") or I couldn't stand the way it sounded. The early eighties
to me was the era of "Oh, you're here to mix the record? OK here's your
cocaine. Be sure to use lots of reverb and compression and make sure the
mix is as 'tinny' as possible." Yuck.
I wasn't so much atracted to Joni's music by her lyrics as I was her music.
The melodies and harmonies were so unique! That was the big thing I was
into. When I gave up on radio and started looking for music I liked the
crux of my biscuit was melody. I got real heavy into Prog(Yes, ELP, King
Crimson etc) Classical(Beethoven, Stravinsky) Frank Zappa, and then I found
Joni which led me to jazz and that was all she wrote so to say.
John~
NP "Pop Life" Prince (how appropriate :-)
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:30:44 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: Joni Following
Hi Luke --
On thing you wrote peaked my curiosity ...
I could never give "TTT" to a friend and expect them to listen to
it, but I think a few of my peers might sit through "Blue" or "Court and
Spark"
I guess I'm scratching my head a little -- is it that TTT is too jazzy?
Too mellow? That sort of "no good beat/can't dance to it" thing? I
would imagine that if any of your friends are into Kate Bush, Tori Amos
and/or Natalie Merchant, they'd probably not only listen to TTT, they'd
like it even. Don't be shy!
Don Rowe
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:31:12 -0500
From: "John M. Lind"
Subject: (NJC) the best gift we GAVE
Bob M. wrote:
>Maybe in the spirit of the season we can thread on what the best
>gift we GAVE this year was.
Easy! Virtually since the day I met my wife she's been talking about how
much she's always wanted a bard's harp. Guess what I got her for Christmas?
It took her about 15 minutes to stop crying before she could even try to
play anything on it. I felt like I had the whole world inside of me
expanding against my chest trying to get out.
John~
NP "When You Were Mine" Prince
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:31:09 -0800
From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)
Subject: Top ten songs that make you cry (sjc)
I've really enjoyed this thread...here's my contribution in no particular
order...
Fisherman's Song - Carly Simon
Chinese Cafe - JM
Mother Natures Son - Beatles
Hold On - Sarah McLachlan
Love and Affection - Joan Armatrading
Places In My Past - James Taylor
Night Ride Home - JM
Let It Be - The Beatles
The Last Chance Texaco - Rickie Lee Jones
River - Natalie Merchant
D.
np: Finn Brothers...Fall at your feet
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:01:27 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com
Subject: CMIARS & Opinions
Don wrote:
CMIARS gets a bit of flak around this list. But flatly I'll stand on my
little flat feet and say, "Dancing Clown is a grand and a wonderful
thing." An electronically raw, overdriven and undecorated rocker,
complete with a car-wreck change of key, sung by an unlikely vocal trio,
whose voices compliment each other in a unique and enigmatic way. Plus,
we so rarely get to hear Joni really get down -- just one more thing
that makes "Dancing Clown" refreshing, much in the same way that "Blue
Motel Room" leavens the otherwise somber and reflective moods of
"Hejira." Of course, that's just my opinion ... I could be wrong.
Don't get me wrong - I LOVE CMIARS like all of Joni's albums - I just
think that "Clown" is misproduced & "miscast" - and you're NOT wrong
and neither am I - opinions can't be wrong. That's what makes this so
much fun!
Bob
NP: Bruce, Jungleland
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:14:05 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Hate to do this but ... (NJC)
"Two top Khmer Rouge leaders apologized Tuesday for the deaths of as
many as 2 million people during their regime in the 1970's and
asked their countrymen to "let bygones be bygones."
This from the lead story on the New York Times website ... the rest of
which is actually a bit uglier. You know, with this recent political
thread winding though the list, we should be thankful that President
Clinton is only having to apologize for a handfull of blow jobs. Oh
brother, what a metaphor, did I really just do that? Like I said, sorry.
;-)
Don Rowe
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:18:37 PST
From: "Don Rowe"
Subject: Re: CMIARS & Opinions
Bob writes ...
>I just think that "Clown" is misproduced & "miscast" - and you're NOT
>wrong and neither am I - opinions can't be wrong. That's what makes
>this so much fun!
>
Okay, so let's have some more fun and play Bonnie Timmerman for a bit.
If you could "recast" that song, who's in? Personally I would have gone
for Prince (that was his name then, anyway) and George Michael. What a
trio THAT would've been! Have at it ...
Don Rowe
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:33:11 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC)
- ----------
> From: Don Rowe
> To: jml@amweaver.com
> Cc: joni@smoe.org
> Subject: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC)
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 11:06 AM
>
> I guess I ought to make it a thread now ... so, let's have a list of
> "Top 10 Songs That Make Me Cry" ...
I'll bite, that's easier than favorite Joni songs.
#1 Circle Game(Joni)
#2 Chinese Cafe(Joni)
#3 How Great Thou Art (classic gospel)
#4 Wind Beneath My Wings(Bette Midler)
#5 The Greatest Love(Whitney Houston)
#6 O Holy Night (Christmas)
#7 Woman (John Lennon)
#8 In My Life (Beatles)
#9 Cherokee Louise (Joni)
#10 You & Me Against The World(Helen Reddy?)
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:47:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Gross
Subject: Leonard Cohen (was Re[2]: the tape...)
Mark T. Klempner wrote:
>
> Talking about "Suzanne," does anyone know much about Joni's relationship
> with Leonard Cohen? I know they were close very early on, and she
> considered him a mentor or influence. Any stories/etc. anyone can share?
> He has such lyrical gifts that it would seem natural that they would
> connect, esp. with Canada in common.
I remember reading here on the list, sometime in the last 21 months, that
Leonard Cohen was the subject of 'Rainy Night House'. It was a revelation for
me, so it made a lasting impression.
Brian
np: the pitter patter of cold rain here in South Jersey (better than snow)
===
"No paper thin walls
No folks above
No one else can hear the crazy cries of love"
yeah, right
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:34:59 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC)
one of the great cry baby songs, high on my list anyway, would be (drum roll
please)
the living years! mike and the mechanics
another good one:
your town too - james taylor (it helps if you just broke up with someone)
and the best of all:
tears in heaven - eric clapton. knowing the story behind that, who could
possibly be unmoved?
can't think of anymore. gonna go have myself a big boo hoo...
peace, ric
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:40:25 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: CMIARS & Opinions
At first I didn't like CMIARS, but after a few listens (and a few
skip tracks) I got to like it. 'My Secret Place' and 'A Bird That
Whistles' became instant favorites, for me. 'Cool Water' I skipped
past but once I decided to keep it going and the guitar entered....
goosebumps!
MarkyMark
NP-Hejira
At 5:01 PM -0500 12/29/98, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote:
>
> Don't get me wrong - I LOVE CMIARS like all of Joni's albums - I just
> think that "Clown" is misproduced & "miscast" - and you're NOT wrong
> and neither am I - opinions can't be wrong. That's what makes this so
> much fun!
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:13:16 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com
Subject: Re[3]: Whoops!
John wrote:
but I can't think of any others off-hand. The only songs I can think of
that will actually get me crying, that I can think of, are "Love At The
Five And Dime" and There's A Light Beyond Theses Woods(Mary Margret)" by
Nanci Griffith and "Watermelon In Easter-Hay" by Frank Zappa.
The one that gets me every time is "Somewhere" from West Side Story.
Joni songs that sometimes bring me to tears (usually only if I'm
singing them) are Magdalene and Ethiopia.
Bob
NP: Impossible Dreamer, Sue McNamara version
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:04:14 -0600
From: evian
Subject: Top Ten Songs That Make Me Cry (NJC)
Ten songs that make me cry, in no particular order.
1. You can close your eyes - JT
2. Like a River - Carly Simon
3. Landslide - Fleetwood Mac
4. Last Song - Elton John
5. Crystal - Fleetwood Mac
6. Unforgettable Fire - U2
7. Everybody Hurts - R.E.M.
8. Purple Rain - Prince
9. Slave to Love - Bryan Ferry
10. This Woman's Work -- Kate Bush
Wow, didn't notice this before, but I haven't actually boo-hooed over a
Joni song... I have come close, but these songs are all ones that I can
remember crying over.
Evian
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:08:22 EST
From: Marilune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC)
some of these may seem weird, but they work. alot of them depend on my state
of emotional well-being. i don't cry so much anymore.
Joni- River and The Last Time I Saw Richard (doesn't it make everyone cry?)
Natalie Merchant- Life is Sweet and King of May
Sarah Mc- Do What You Have To Do and Full of Grace (AKA Fall From Grace)
Radiohead- Karma Police
Eels- Elizabeth on the Bathroom Floor
- -mariana
NP: Radiohead, -OK Computer-
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:48:09 -0500
From: "M & C Urbanski"
Subject: Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC)
- ----------
> From: RickieLee1@aol.com
> To: artwear@ncweb.com; dgrowe@hotmail.com; jml@amweaver.com
> Cc: joni@smoe.org
> Subject: Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC)
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 7:34 PM
>
> one of the great cry baby songs, high on my list anyway, would be (drum
roll
> please)
>
> the living years! mike and the mechanics
> peace, ric
Oh yeah I Can't even listen to that one!!!!
Marilyn
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:18:53 -0500
From: Jeanne M Whitlock
Subject: Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC)
Great thread idea!
Here are some songs that made me boo-hoo at one time or another (in no
particular order):
1. Carolina - Patty Larkin
2 Angel in the House - The Story
3 The Vigil - Jane Siberry
4 Inconsolable - Jonatha Brooke
5 Little Green - Joni
6 This is my new vow - Jennifer Kimball
7 Judgement of the Moon and Stars - Joni (someone else posted this one;
made me revisit FTR ...)
8 Don't Give Up - Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush
9 Secret World - Peter Gabriel
10 Cry on my shoulder - Bonnie Raitt
Sniffle--
Jeanne
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:06:28 -0800
From: Michael Heath
Subject: All those impossible stories
Terry wrote me:
Cul,
I'm so glad you wrote that post to the list! I was worried as hell that
folks
would scare him away, so I've been rootin' for him since day one. How
come
you never talked about your days at the Cellar??
Terry, in Michigan
I replied:
Hi Terry,
Good question!! I don't know why I never talked much about the Cellar.
I guess I
just got sidetracked off into other stuff. Plus, after my story about
re-meeting
Mitchell on the ferry, I guess I thought it would sound like I was
bragging or
something. And who knows,...if I had maybe it would be me they were
assaulting!
:)
And later with:
OK...Sure I saw her. Here's a story for you:
My art teacher Bill Mandt, had a lot to do with Joni showing up at our
coffee
house. I'm sure he was connected through the art scene at U of M at the
time and
with the coffee house scene around Ann Arbor and knew the Mitchell's
through
that route. Anyway, they were invited to a dinner at the Mandt's house
prior to
them playing at the Cellar one weekend. It was a folksy sort of affair
with
Mand'ts fabric hangings, paintings, candle light and incense. Nice and
intimate.
I'm sure they were having a wonderful dinner before I pounded on the
door. You
see it was Halloween and Mandt's house was the target of a party of some
of his
wackier art students scheduled for later that night. I was wearing a
granny
dress, combat boots, round little glasses, a granny type wig, 5 tons of
old
person's makeup and a set of false teeth over my own that I had found
while
prowling through the abandoned house of a guy down the
street who had committed suicide that summer...(but that's another
story). I had
also brought my old coronet which i had unwelded so that I could bend
the tubing
in all sorts of weird directions. I had wound masking tape in a spiral
all along
the tubing and then spray painted the horn purple. I was the mad old
woman with
the devil's horn! (Who knows?)
Anyway, it was this 15 year old maniac that came through the door
blasting Joni
in the face with my horn, totally interrupting their dinner and sending
Joni
into the front room covering her ears.
That was my introduction to the Mitchell's. I am so proud of that
moment. I
can't think of a better way to have introduced myself to someone who
would
become not just my hero, but my god.:)
It went uphill from there.
michael
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:42:43 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: p henry
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:50:11 -0800
From: Michael Heath
Hi,
Haven't seen you all in a while...had to come in for a bit thought to
let you know that I distinctly remember a Pat Boland being there at the
time Pat Henry mentions the Cellar coffeehouse and Joni.
Pat Henry used to be Pat Boland, I think. Anyway, I find it really weird
that some people would ready to jump all over someone wanting to share
their Joni stories. I mean, somebody had to be there during Joni's
inception days. Why not Pat? Or me? I mean how many people got to hear
Sistowbow Lane when it was a brand new tune? I did. When I mentioned
that song to Joni while talking to her on the ferry ride, she said "Oh
you do go back a long way, don't you?"
Yes, an embarrassing length of time.
Anyway...lighten up people and let Pat tell the stories that came from
having been there.:)
cul
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:44:01 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: New Joni Following? Or same old one? (NJC)
From: Claud.Loren.Carter@ccMail.Census.Gov
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:58:22 -0500
Don,
Sorry for the confusion. It is my fault. I checked my old e-mail messages
and the one I was thinking of was from Bob. After a long weekend I seem to
be in need of retraining. I guess I have other things on my mind....A
houseful of 15 family members over for dinner tonight, my little son sick
with a cough and runny nose, and me wanting to be there to take care of
him.
NP...LuLu's Back in Town.....Leon Redbone...
Hi Claud --
There are several Dons on this list, and I fear you have confused me with
another of them. I wouldn't have you change and sing a new song, unless
perhaps, you wanted "Hejira" as your 'character theme', as we in the
soundtrack business call it!
How kind and gentle you must be to see and appreciate your wife the way
that you do. Please don't leave the list ... hang around and who knows,
maybe someday you'll be a wide-eyed about our Joni as your lovely bride!
:-)
Don Rowe
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:44:49 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Weepies
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:19:27 -0500
From: "Steve Garrison"
Seems like there are some not-too-surprising themes that run through the
boohoo tunes. What I'd call "Life Cycle" songs are a biggie, whether it be
"Circle Game" or "It Was a Very Good Year" or, for goodness sake, "Sunrise,
Sunset." Compressing a whole life into a few stanzas seems to have a
liberating effect on the tear ducts.
Songs of Departure and Loss are another. Tom Rush, in addition to "Circle
Game" used to do "Urge for Going" and his own(?) "Child's Song,"
misty-fiers all. (Don't even want to tell you how many years I listened to
his UFG before I became aware it was Joni's). Another that works for me,
although it's not typically something I'd recommend, is the
Bergman/Bergman/Mandel song "Where Do You Start" as performed by Susannah
McCorkle, who actually starts to lose it in the final verse on her album
"I'll Take Romance." Listen to this at your own risk if, like me, you're
getting divorced or breaking up.
There are "Memento" songs, too. I'm thinking of MaryChapin Carpenter's song
about her shirt, and a Carrie Newcomer song called "Up in the Attic."
Agree with Azeem about Christine Collister's emotive powers, though from the
same album as "Beguiling Eyes," I get more juiced by her version of Jackson
Browne's "For a Dancer." Browne's "Song for Adam" from his first album is
in the same Good Souls Dying Young vein. So tell me, why does another song
about Romantic Deaths of the Young, "Richard Thompson's 1952 Vincent Black
Lightening," work powerfully, but on a totally different basis? It's a
great song, a classic, in fact, but does anyone get dewy-eyed listening to
it? Not me! Why not?
Steve
NP: Eric Anderson's Memory of the Future, Glencree by Peter Mulvey, and The
Church With One Bell by the great John Martyn.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:43:27 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Re: New Joni Following? Or same old one? (SJC)
From: Claud.Loren.Carter@ccMail.Census.Gov
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:05:57 -0500
Don,
Since you ordered me to change and sing a new song (and quite talking about
the only thing I've talked about the last couple of weeks), here goes.....
Until I met my wife 3 years I was blissfully ignorant of Ms. Mitchell.
Now, I'd heard her songs, but I didn't know where they came from until my
wife showed me the error of my ways. I would sing along with the songs but
I didn't know who the artist was. Then, my wife, enlightened me to the
ways of Joni. I've always liked singers where I could actually understand
the words to the song. I've always liked James Taylor simply because I
could understand what he was saying. Being deaf in one ear, that's
important to me. As for statistics, I'm 40 (to be 41 in three weeks (don't
remind me!). The folks here at work have been following my travels with
the litho (sorry Don, couldn't help myself) and have asked who this singer
is (most of them are 10-15 years younger than I). Well today I "borrowed"
(don't tell Lucy) a Joni CD from the house to play for them at work. Most
of the songs were recognizable, but, like the me of years past, they didn't
know who was doing the singing. Well now they do.
My wife has been a Joni-phile for years. Saw her at the New Orleans Jazz
fest in 95 (I think), has all the tapes, all the articles, and certainly
could speak to this group more authoritively about Joni than I. When we
get an ISP at home, I'll have her join the list (and I'll leave) so that
she can meet you all and speak of the magnificance that is Joni.
Humbly, I don't feel qualified to be here over hearing the stories from the
folks who have met her, talked with her, broke bread, and recorded with
her. I've only seen her in concert once (and it was almost 2 months ago).
The happiness that I saw on my wife's face made me realize that Ms.
Mitchell is a part of her life, so these two women will be a part of my
life also.
Loren....
NP....absolutely nothing but the ringing in my ears
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:30:17 -0600
From: evian
Subject: one more crying song (njc)
Ooops, couldn't let the list of crying songs go by without mentioning
"John Doe No. 24" by Mary-Chapin Carpenter. This song is the one that
really makes me boo hoo, and I can't believe if forgot to list it! LOL,
like anyone really cares, but I am bored......
Evian
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:38:59 -0500
From: Janet Hess
Subject: Re: Songs That Make You Cry, was "Whoops"(SJC)
In addition to Joni's "Chinese Cafe," another that just about always brings
tears is Mary Black's "Columbus." aaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:04:19 EST
From: Bolvangar@aol.com
Subject: Songs that make me cry (SJC)
Hi all,
As Sue and others have said -- it's all very dependent on context and on my
mood -- but here are a few:
I did cry recently when I saw June Tabor sing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" as
an encore in concert (I don't know if she's recorded it). That was more
because of June than the song itself. Some others of June's do as well, such
as "A Smiling Shore" (about a Holocaust survivor) and her version of "And the
Band Played Waltzing Matilda."
_Hejira_ has made me cry, but not every time I hear it; so has "Come in from
the Cold." Alpha's "Sometime Later" does. The Replacements' "The Ledge" does.
The music and sound of The Police can like no other band, on any number of
their songs. The lined-out hymn "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah," recorded by
Alan Lomax among the Old Regular Baptists of Kentucky, does.
I think that when a song makes me cry, it is because of the expressiveness of
the music or the singing more than the words. Or, at least, the words by
themselves wouldn't do it. Some of the songs that bring me as close to tears
as any are in other languages (like "Mir Stanke Le" by Le Mystere des Voix
Bulgares, or "Blonde" by Guesch Patti in the Peter Greenaway film _The Pillow
Book_). Thoughts?
- --David
NP: Portishead, _Dummy_
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:00:47 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Another Guitar and Joni Story
Earlier tonight I took my two poor, elderly guitars over to Fretworks in
Hollywood (recently named best guitar doctors in the world) to see what
miracles could be worked. The rosewood Flamenco is going to live and
thrive, but, sadly, the 1925 Martin-copy is on life support and the
prognosis is grave). Fretworks is in a tiny building adjacent to the Guitar
Center in Hollywood and Phillip, the proprietor, told me about a few of his
customers, including Sean Lennon and Liz Phair. I started feeling a little
dorky standing there with my humble guitars in their scuffed up cases, so
did not ask him if he knew Joni. I did ask him if Guitar Center had any Baby
Collings' to look at. He didn't know about "Baby" Collings but told me to
check out the Baby Taylor. (Since hearing about Joni's Baby Collings
guitar, I've had a great fantasy of owning something similar because I have
very tiny hands and fingers and thought that an instrument of similar design
would be a Heaven-sent for me).
Well, I go to GC and see the Baby Taylor and it is complete LOVE at the very
first sight and strum. This has got to be one of the sweetest guitars I've
ever seen! It is a 3/4 size Dreadnought with a solid spruce front and
mahogany sides and back. It looks like a work of art and has all the sound
of a full-size. It took me less than a second to know it was leaving with
me. A salesperson named Keith started chatting with me about it and I asked
to see a Baby Collings (just to look at it). He insisted to me that there
was no such thing as a Baby Collings. I argued that I'd read about Joni
Mitchell having one. He retorted that he himself sold that guitar to Joni
when he worked at Westwood Music and that it is a "triple-ought" or "000"
Collings and not a "Baby"! He added that he'd also sold her a Martin at the
same time which she later returned and was subsequently sold to Elvis
Costello.
Trying not to seem like a Joni-obsessive, but wanting to see what else he
might have to say, I casually kept up the Joni talk as he restrung the
Taylor with "silk-wraps" for me and showed me the case. He said a few quite
interesting things that I cannot repeat here (Joni-related but nothing to do
with her personally) and also said he'd played bass for her briefly at a few
live gigs in the early 1990s. He reminded me of all of us when he announced
that he'd been in love with her since he was 17 and said that they first met
when he spotted her in blue jeans, T-shirt, barefoot and with paint-covered
hands trying to cross a busy street while carrying four guitars. He ran out
to help her cross and get everything into the store. She started playing
some songs right there in Westwood Music and he played along with her. He
said they spent the next 4 hours chain-smoking, drinking coffee and playing
music together. She liked his sound and asked him to join her at a few of
the gigs. (He said this was at the beginning of the break-up with Larry,
and she was temporarily without a bass guy). He seemed so involved with
talking about her and it just proved once again the power and effect she has
on so many. In the end (a whole hour later) he took $30 off the case price,
charged me nothing for the new strings, threw in some picks and personally
walked it to my car! I'm sure his generosity stemmed in part from having
the chance to relate a few of his Joni experiences to me!
As I sit here I can't take my eyes off my new "Baby". It is a fantastic and
gorgeous little guitar and I think Mariana should ask for one for
Valentine's Day, (along with Marian and Terry because it fits perfectly into
the overhead bin on airplanes!). And it's not just a guitar for "girls" -
Keith told me that several guys buy them, too, just because they are so
neat, and end up using them as their primary
guitar. Even those who don't play guitar will probably want to start after
seeing one of them!
Oh, and the price - $249 for the Baby Taylor, and $2,800 for the (Not) Baby
Collings ;-)
Kakki
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:11:17 EST
From: DKasc13293@aol.com
Subject: Short Engagement (long) N real JC
Hello friends and some enemies I'm sure,
I am temporarily reenlisting as I have been designated official Joni Mitchell
"expert" for an evening for Joni at an acoustic club downtown in the East
Village called the Living Room on the 21st of January. I am hoping to gather
some "inside" information regarding recording sessions with Joni to share with
the audience.
I want to thank whoever it was for the beautiful imagery of the crystal/ice
and fire light on the frozen pond, dark chimney smoke, silouettes of skaters,
cabins, and forest/fields against the steel blue sky on that crisp Christmas
night.
My Christmas moment was this. I was visiting family out of state, when I
found myself at a remote train station Chistmas twilight. Michael Yarborough
and friends were using my apartment, while I was out of town and Patrick
Leader suggested we all go to an Alvin Ailey concert then drinks later. So, I
was headed back without a car (longer story) Anyway back to the train
station.....
I was decked out in full relative visiting regalia. My long hunter green
Lodin coat, necktie, camels and reds, something like the Scottish highlands
meets Bond Street in London. The morning and early afternoon were full of
French Toast and crisp bacon, scrambled eggs, gourmet knoshing, holiday
favorites, conscious bingeing. The later afternoon consisting of conversation
of photography, Ansel Adams and a couple of strong gin and tonics. But I
regress....
So, I'm on my way back to the big city with my suitcase in hand, TTT on the CD
walkman and quite honestly, somewhat meloncholy spirit. Climbing the stairs
to the train platform I notice shivering alone and clutching his upper body
around a tee shirt type knit, a quite beautiful Hispanic young man, say around
20. I took a few moments to take in the stillness of the bitter cold, the
vapor trails turned orange against the blue sky of twilight, the lines of
white and black silouettes. Was it the gin and tonics? I don't think so, but
I was put in that place by God at the particular moment Christmas day. I
reached into my bag and first threw him my wool sweater. After a few more
seconds, the red cashmere to put over it. It was so cold and it wasn't even
like this kid was some drugged out loser. He was a struggling immigrant, who
had ridden his bicycle for 20 miles in the bitter cold. "From Guatemala", he
stutterred. "No speak much English". My mind was racing. Could I find work
for him? "What do you do?", I asked. He refinished wood floors in New
Jersey. I took off my long coat and gave it to him.
Approximately a quarter of an hour went by. A few others gathered. The train
was approaching. I had gone through the skeptical NY wrestling in my mind.
Would he run off with the grand plus I had thrown at him. Was it a scam. I
relaxed, knowing I did the right thing. Lawyers and loan sharks are laying
America to waste was for some reason in my mind. The noise grew intense and
the train rolled into the station. Off came the conductor approaching the
young man and his fine bicycle. "Do you have a permit". Again, "No speak
very much English" as he was taking off the clothes I had given him to borrow.
"Well, we can't let you on with a permit" Clearly the young man did not
understand what was being said. I took French and was not any help. All I
could think to say to the man was, "Even on Christmas Day!?"
Wait! Came an observer, pulling her Asian-American friend closer. He, speaks
fluent Spanish. Still the conductor would not have it. The train was late,
all aboard. The doors slammed shut as I tossed my grey cashmere out the
window to him. My sister Alexis said, "He'll never forget it" Nor will I.
Chistmas is like that.
So I get to back to NYC and see Alvin Ailey with the boys, the colors, the
percussion, the life and spirit. It not good to take things for granted.
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