From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #525 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, December 26 1998 Volume 03 : Number 525 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A good Christmas joke (NJC) [catman ] hAPPY DAY [catman ] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation [catman ] Congress' morality play (NJC) [Jlgaertner@aol.com] Presents for Christmas ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Presents for Christmas [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation [RMuRocks@aol.com] Dear Acoustic Guitar letter [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Dear Acoustic Guitar letter [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Congress' morality play (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Congress' morality play (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] covers... ["P. Henry" ] Re: covers... [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: new to the list ["Chad Burkhart" ] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation [LRFye@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation [LRFye@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #524 [Alan ] Music and Tears (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation [Marian Russell ] Re: Joni Moment ["Chad Burkhart" ] "The Hissing... and Jealous Paws" ---a parody ["Marsha" ] Re: Merry Christmas! [Mark Domyancich ] Re: "The Hissing... and Jealous Paws" ---a parody [LRFye@aol.com] Re: covers... ["P. Henry" ] merry xmas yo [Marilune@aol.com] Congress' morality play (NJC) and merry holidays and all [Jeanne M Whitlo] Blue revisited ["M & C Urbanski" ] Speak of Missing Persons / Tonight there's only one. ["Jim L'Hommedieu" <] Requests for reading suggestions ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Amen ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Amen ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Amen ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: "The Hissing... and Jealous Paws" ---a parody [Diana Duncan ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:39:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: A good Christmas joke (NJC) And a Merry Christmas to you too and thanks for the joke. Hope evryone is okay and having fun. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:39:05 +0000 From: catman Subject: hAPPY DAY hOPE YOU ARE ALL HAIVING A GOOD TIME. tODAY IS GREAT-MY NEIGHBOURS HAVE PISSED OFF TO AGGRAVATE SOME OTHER POOR SODS. ALSO JUST GOT TO SEE GREENLAND ON TV. AL;WAYS EWANTED TO KNOW WHAT THAT WAS LIKE. LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PLACE TO VISIT. JUST NOTICED MY CAPITALS WAS ON-SORRY. By next Xmas we will be out in the country-wow! love to all colin, john, martha, haley, sky, james, whitney, wonder, clawdia, doris, theodore, dora, mary, and norman. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:39:16 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation Susan Chaloner wrote: > RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > > > Clinton has championed more > > women's issues and appointed more women to cabinet posts than any other > > president, yet his "admiration" for women as we know also slides in a more > > degrading direction as well. > > Since when is sex degrading? Well generally it isn't-it depends how it is done! When used for power or only the self it becomes degrading. Sex when engaged in for mutal pleasure is indeed wonderful. Even self sex is great when done purely for pleasure rather than relief or a mood changer. Hey Susan-I haven't had it for a while....and I wouldn't risk my love one's health with Viagra either! love colin > I love it!!! :~) Merry Christmas Willy and > remember: > > "...They've been broken in churches and schools and > Molded to middle class circumstance..."-JoniM > > Free the middle classes! Free their minds! ;~) > > Susan L.A. > Honey McBabe-"...Why is this joy not allowed?.."-JoniM - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:39:20 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: new to the list I got lost in snow storm in Montreal last year. i also got spooked cos I could see something that looked like a flying saucer hovering in the dark snowy foggy sky. It turned out to be the top of the Olympic thing and I couldn't see it's base due to the fog and snow!.I had also arrived on a night when all the hotels were booked out due to sport thing and conferences. Eventually found a freindly hooker who driected to a place where i found a room for the night. I also had to speakl to a policeman. he was huge, 6ft 6" I reckon and had a gun oh his hip which i couldn't take my eyes off-it nade me nervous. Due to his height, I wondered later what he thought I was staring at! happy Hols! M & C Urbanski wrote: > ---------- > > From: Chad Burkhart > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: new to the list > > Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 4:08 AM > > > > Hello everyone, > > I just signed on to the list a couple of days ago and I have been > > reading the posts as a receive the digests. I am a student at Concordia > > University in Montreal and of course I love Joni. > (snip) > > Truly yours, > > Chad > > Ohhhhh I love Montreal! My favorite city (so far)! > Welcome & Happy Holidays! > > Marilyn - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:22:09 EST From: Jlgaertner@aol.com Subject: Congress' morality play (NJC) Don Sloan wrote: < Subject: Presents for Christmas I got a brand new" Blue" &"Court & Spark" CD Thank you Santa! I missed not having Blue & I wore the hell out of Court & Spark (it got all scratched up). Also got a John Lennon Tee! yippe skippy! Merry Christmas all! Hope Santa has been good to you all! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:16:33 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Presents for Christmas In a message dated 12/25/98 9:37:30 AM Central Standard Time, artwear@ncweb.com writes: << Merry Christmas all! Hope Santa has been good to you all! >> Marilyn, I got the Springsteen box set from my wonderful, wonderful wife!! I'm hoping my dad-in-law will give me his usual gift of $50.00 and I'll get XTC's "Transistor Blast" box too!! WNCW played "River" yesterday during their day of Christmas music... Bob M. in SC NP: Bruce, "Loose Change" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:21:57 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation In a message dated 12/24/98 3:13:24 PM Central Standard Time, ondulees@bc.sympatico.ca writes: << Since when is sex degrading? I love it!!! :~) Merry Christmas Willy and remember: "...They've been broken in churches and schools and Molded to middle class circumstance..."-JoniM >> hey McBabe, Don't get me wrong - I'm no Puritan, my reference was that it was degrading TO HIS MARRIAGE PARTNER to have "cigar-sex", etc. and be exposed on a national level... Uh-oh, I'm feeling a parody coming on..."I saw Monica kissing Santa Claus..." Bob M. in SC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:30:47 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Dear Acoustic Guitar letter Hey gang! I found this interesting letter on Acoustic Guitar's web page. It would be really interesting to hear Joni play a mandocello!! :) Best, Mark NP-Neil Young-Words - ----- I was listening the other day to Joni Mitchell's Hejira album, and I was struck by these lines in "Song for Sharon": "I went to Staten Island, Sharon / To buy myself a mandolin / And I saw the long white dress of love / On a store-front mannequin." Now, I've been listening to this album for years, but it just now occurred to me that these lyrics may refer to the Mandolin Brothers store in Staten Island. Is this the case? Did Joni Mitchell go buy a mandolin there sometime in the '70s? What did she buy? Am I crazy for even wondering about this stuff? Elaine Camero Boston, Massachusetts Stan Jay, president of Mandolin Brothers, would like to assure you that you are not crazy, and that he has been asked this question many times over the years. Joni Mitchell did indeed make a trip to his store on Staten Island in 1976, where she bought a Gibson K-4 mandocello, built around 1915. It is a large (guitar-sized) version of the Gibson F-4 mandolin and is tuned C G D A, one octave below a mandola. On the same trip, she also bought a circa 1915 Martin 000-28 herringbone guitar. It was during the ferry ride back to New York City from Staten Island that she began writing "Song for Sharon." - --Bronwen Morgan ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Does the moon play only silver When it strums the galaxy?" -Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:07:29 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Dear Acoustic Guitar letter In a message dated 12/25/98 9:32:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Did Joni Mitchell go buy a mandolin there sometime in the '70s? What did she buy? Am I crazy for even wondering about this stuff? Elaine Camero Boston, Massachusetts Stan Jay, president of Mandolin Brothers, would like to assure you that you are not crazy, and that he has been asked this question many times over the years. Joni Mitchell did indeed make a trip to his store on Staten Island in 1976, where she bought a Gibson K-4 mandocello, >> what a cool story! there seems to be a truth behind every line she writes, as if this is news. but its still nice to hear the story behind the song. i have always wondered who she was talking about when she wrote: "i went to see a friend tonight, was very late when i walked in, my talking as it rambled, revealed suspicious reasoning..." who was she rambling about (james taylor?) and who was she rambling to? (what a gossip i am!) hope everyone had a happy christmas! ours was a rousing success - thanks in no small part to marilyn (the heroine) who came through with some info where i could find a ginger spice girl doll for my daughter, and i followed her instructions and got it!!! a christmas miracle. of course, it wasn't in time for santa to leave it under the tree, but he left a note advising lindsay that as soon as the reindeer rest up, (and UPS delivers) he will make a return trip for her, especial. she was thrilled! so bless you marilyn and may all our christmasses be, if not white, at least as shining and bright as this one turned out to be! love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:29:00 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > hey McBabe, > > Don't get me wrong - I'm no Puritan, my reference was that it was degrading TO > HIS MARRIAGE PARTNER to have "cigar-sex", etc. and be exposed on a national > level... Bob darlin! How do you know what kind of marriage arrangements Willy and Hillary have made? Are you sleeping with them ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Why is this joy not allowed?.."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:29:10 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation catman wrote: > Hey Susan-I haven't had it for a while....and I wouldn't risk my love one's > health with Viagra either! Honey...you don't need Viagra ;~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Happiness is the best facelift..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:33:00 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Presents for Christmas Bob, Yep, here's another lucky guy who got the Springsteen box-set for xmas! OK, so I kinda knew I'd be getting it, but the wait since Nov. 9 has been tough... Jason. NP. Thundercrack - BS (er, that's not *Bullshit*, BTW!) RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > I got the Springsteen box set from my wonderful, wonderful wife!! I'm hoping > my dad-in-law will give me his usual gift of $50.00 and I'll get XTC's > "Transistor Blast" box too!! > > WNCW played "River" yesterday during their day of Christmas music... > > Bob M. in SC > > NP: Bruce, "Loose Change" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:25:59 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Congress' morality play (NJC) Merry, Good, and Happy Whatever to all! o<|: ) Jlgaertner wrote: > Errr...right, Don. The Dems really gave it to Reagan for that itsy, bitsy > little Iran Contra thing. Why it was only TREASONOUS, for Christ's sake. Now > THAT is how you subvert your country's Constitution. Wasn't he impeached for > that? Oh...sorry...he somehow FORGOT the answers to seventy some questions > that he was asked UNDER OATH. Not nearly as important as this. Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you!!! THANK YOU!!! That Ronald McDonald Reagan was hailed as some kind of saintly, perfect president in the USA has always bewildered me. Most of the time, the man was asleep at the wheel (no offense intended to the band of that name). The rest of the time, he was just plain scary. Lori, feeling relieved that someone else can see through the *BS*... San Antonio NP: National Public Radio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:34:31 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Congress' morality play (NJC) In a message dated 12/25/98 10:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jlgaertner@aol.com writes: << Errr...right, Don. The Dems really gave it to Reagan for that itsy, bitsy little Iran Contra thing. Why it was only TREASONOUS, for Christ's sake. Now THAT is how you subvert your country's Constitution. Wasn't he impeached for that? Oh...sorry...he somehow FORGOT the answers to seventy some questions that he was asked UNDER OATH. Not nearly as important as this. HORRORS!! No, sorry, I can't agree with you on this. >> Well said. Bravo!!!! Paul Ivice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 19:41:01 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: covers... note: to jmdl gang... thank you for so many nice letters asking me to resume posting to the group... I hope my posts don't continue to cause trouble... thought I'd drop this in for a holiday post... hope you can enjoy it. *S* - -- RMuRocks wrote: ...since you originally asked for questions, I've thought of a couple that will maybe trigger a memory... When most artists start out, they mix in covers with their own stuff. In Joni's case, she's always picked out really interesting covers, both on album and live. In those early days, were there any covers that she put her unique spin on or re-interpreted? bob, well, when I first met Joni she and Chuck were still playing gigs together... and, as I said before, one out of three sets in a night they would play together, the other two individually, so... during those sets, since Chuck didn't write much, if any, of his own material but did a lot a ballads and show tunes, Joni did most of her covers when she played with Chuck. eg: Ian and Sylvia's "Four Strong Winds", "San Francisco Bay Blues"... (which I also performed with her once) I think they may have co-performed one or two of hers, but for the most part, he selected the material for their shared sets... then came hard times for ol' Chuck... because, as they performed around the circuit Joni became a LOT more in-demand than he was... and clubs wanted to hire her separately... I don't say this to slight Chuck... he was really good... but as we all know, Joni was and is great! he just couldn't compare and so they took the gigs as they could get them... I think that's what really broke up their marriage... they didn't fight a lot or anything... I recall Joni telling me at one point (by this time they always booked in separately) that with their current bookings they would not be in the same area of the country for a year... she later related that in "I Had A King" on her first album: "There's no one to blame No there's no one to name as a traitor here... The king's on the road And the queen's in the grove till the end of the year"... I could say a lot more about that album, but... back to your question... as for her own sets, no, I don't think she did any covers at all... you have to remember that she did literally all of her songs in tunings... don't think I ever saw her play in standard tuning at all... the one exception that comes to mind is a song called "Wizard Of Is"... she used the music of Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" which was written in a G tuning, and put her words to it... guess that would fall into the category of one "that she put her unique spin on or re-interpreted"... do you know offhand what album she did her first cover on? can't think of any on her early albums... thing is, she had SO much material! she could do an entire weekend... 6 sets... 4.5 hours, without repeating herself, doing ALL original songs! AND, when she did her first album, coming straight from the road into the studio, only about a third of the songs she recorded had I heard before... and I heard them all! hope that answers your question... *S* pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:57:56 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: covers... In a message dated 12/25/98 2:44:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << . do you know offhand what album she did her first cover on? can't think of any on her early albums... >> I was a little puzzled by this aspect of Bob's question as well, because her first cover was "Twisted" on C&S. But I think Bob was not referring to covers she recorded, but rather those she may have performed. Pat, from what I have read about Joni's time with Chuck was that during at least part of their marriage they were trying to raise her baby (who is now Kilauren, as we know) but that after some time she realized they could not and she gave it up for adoption. During the time you knew her, were you aware she had a baby or do you think she had already given it up for adoption by then? And if so, do you recall whether she was performing "Little Green"? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 12:12:00 PST From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: Re: new to the list That is an hilarious account of coming to Montreal. People alas get stuck in Montreal due to a snow storm all the time. It snows here for what seems like half of the year. The other half it is so muggy and hot that all you want to do is get away. The police are sometimes unruly and can be very intimidating, especially if you can't speak French and they can't speak English. I was lucky enough to go to a French school when I was younger so I can commuicate when the need arises. All things aside, I hope that you weren't totally turned off by this city and its flying saucer of an Olympic Stadium (since tax payers are still paying for it). Montreal can be a very beautiful city if you can get passed all of the strange things that go on. The hookers are all very nice, I must say and the city is usually pretty tollerant of them, after all they are just trying to make a living and they aren't really hurting anyone as long as they are being safe. All that aside, have a very merry holiday and a great new year Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:20:15 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation Kakki wrote: > There is not only a code of ethics, there are Federal and State laws against > perjury in the U.S. That is what I cannot get past on this issue. Marilyn wrote: > I also add...Clinton is the head of the military right? What about that > woman pilot (I forget her name) that was forced to leave the service or > face court martial for having an affair with a married man?. Excuse me, > but, I think the same rules apply to the Chief as well. Ironically, the reason the female lieutenant was tried by court-martial had (purportedly) more to do with her lying and disregarding direct orders than it had to do with her affair. (Although I personally saw her as an example by the military that "sexual misconduct" wasn't just exhibited by the guys at Tailhook.) Kakki and Marilyn, I agree with both of you, to an extent. There are codes of ethics, and there are laws and rules and regulations. And they should apply to all, equally. I think that one of the problems the American people are having with Clinton's impeachment is that the laws are enforced so unfairly. It would be fine if they were enforced across the board, but they are not. The public's perception (especially since the O.J. Simpson debacle) is that people in positions of power get away with perjury all the time, sometimes blatently. It seems to be a fact of life. Is this time different just because Bill's the president? Another thing that Americans are upset about is the morality issue. People seem to be running around all over, "doing" everyone, and most of the time no one says a word as long as the sex is consensual. (WHICH IS AS IT SHOULD BE.) But piss someone off, and everything changes. During my 10+ years in the Air Force, I saw it happen often: the "adultery" card was pulled when the brass wanted to kick someone out and not enough other evidence could be found or fabricated. The same thing happened where it concerned gays. There are tens of thousands of gays in the military, but only a small percentage are kicked out. However, if the laws and regulations were enforced as they should be -- fairly and without regard to one's position or responsibility -- you can bet that our government would be better than half empty, and our military would be but a shadow of its present strength. And then what??? I say it's time to throw out the laws and regs that can't be enforced fairly, and begin to fairly enforce the rest. Next chance we get, let's elect some people with the nerve to do so. Lori San Antonio NP: still NPR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:26:39 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation I wrote: > Ironically, the reason the female lieutenant was tried by court-martial Correction: Marilyn brought up the fact that Lt. Kelly (missing last name) had to leave the service or face court-martial. I'm thinking she chose to leave the Air Force. Lori, trying to type over a jealous cat who has positioned herself in front of the keyboard and is now even hissing ... San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:46:04 -0600 From: Alan Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #524 Responding to Eric's "Joni Moment" remark. Although TTT doesn't move me that way, much of her Art sure does. Just two evenings ago, a dear, dear, lady was in town for a visit. We were having a wonderful evening; I made dinner, we had wine, candlelight, and hours and hours of conversation; friendship, love. I had this sudden desire to hear "A Case of You," and put it on. It was perfect; holding each other in the candlelight and swaying to the music, "I remember that time when you told me, you said, 'love is touching souls' well, surely you touched mine...". When the song was over, she saw that I had tears running down my face. Unfortunately, the moment came to an abrupt halt right there, as she was aghast. "What's wrong?" I tried to explain that nothing was wrong, the song was just so perfect, and so beautiful. She was just perplexed, "I just don't understand why anybody would like anything that makes them cry." Sigh... oh well. The evening wasn't ruined, only the "Joni moment". *Most* people just don't "get it," do they? It doesn't surprise me when people who are shallow, or mean-spirited, or selfish, (way too much of the population, I'm afraid) don't get it. But this is a warm, very intelligent, kind, and loving person; still, she doesn't get it. Before I found this group, I had only met one other person who did. So, I just thought I'd come out of the lurker's gallery on this Christmas day and tell you all that I truly feel you are very special people. Happy JMDL ! Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:00:07 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Music and Tears (NJC) In a message dated 98-12-25 15:49:41 EST, Alan writes: << When the song was over, she saw that I had tears running down my face. Unfortunately, the moment came to an abrupt halt right there, as she was aghast. "What's wrong?" I tried to explain that nothing was wrong, the song was just so perfect, and so beautiful. She was just perplexed, "I just don't understand why anybody would like anything that makes them cry." >> Alan, I can not tell you how very much I can relate to this post. I feel so strongly that tears are one of the greatest gifts we have as human beings, and very few people really "get" that. I have an early memory of just crying my eyes out one night as a young girl, for no apparent reason. My dad, who was a very gentle soul, came into my room to try to console me. He kept asking what was wrong, and he just didn't understand when I told him I didn't have a reason, I just needed to cry. Another time, I was about 7(?) and my parents had just come back from New York City, and heard this new trio in a coffee house in Greenwich Village. The group was Peter, Paul, and Mary, and they had brought back their first album. We all sat in the den, and they put on the album. I heard the harmonies, and cried, and cried. I had never heard such beauty in my life. That moment is one of the strongest memories I have, and I "know" it sent me on the lifelong road to singing, and deep love of music. I ALWAYS cry at movies, and at beautiful music. It is one of the best feelings I know of. So, Alan, you are in very good company. Hugs (and tears), Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:56:51 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:52:49 - 0500, Marilyn Urbanski wrote: > Clinton is the head of the military right? What about that > woman pilot (I forget her name) that was forced to leave the service or > face court martial for having an affair with a married man?. Excuse me, > but, I think the same rules apply to the Chief as well. > I thought at the time that this occurred and I still think it was very unfair that the woman pilot was court martialed. The military rules should be changed. > I can't get past the whole feminist backing. Here is a man who uses women > in the most degrading way. > Well, I would venture to say that Monica enjoyed the whole thing. Didn't she recently say, when asked if she would do it again - "In a heartbeat!"? It was an affair between consenting adults, not Clinton preying on an unwilling party. I would even venture to say that Paula Jones was a willing party. > Isn't that why the feminist movement > started...to stand up against this behavior? > No. The feminist movement is for equality between the sexes - equal rights and the elimination of double standards. > He gives the movement what > they want with the abortion issue and yet has the biggest lack of respect > for women by treating them as nothing but sex objects. I can't support > that. > I think he probably has an overinflated ego and a problem with sex, but so do a lot of people - so do a lot of American men. I see the Republican Congressional males as hypocrites - as casting stones while sitting in glass houses, while reading their Playboy and Esquire magazines and fantasizing what other people are not afraid to do. For the Christians among us, didn't Jesus say basically, if you even think about it, it's the same thing? I don't think this (Jesus' statement) was meant to make us feel guilty for what we think about, but rather to stress the importance of forgiveness and non-judgement of other people. Why do you want to take out the mote in your brother's/sister's eye when you haven't removed the beam in your own? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:59:04 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: Merry Christmas! It's getting close to midnight here in Europe, so before the day is over, I want to say Merry Christmas to all of my JMDL friends! It has been a great Joni year, hasn't it? I hope next year will be as exciting for all of us! Love, Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:30:42 PST From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: Re: Joni Moment I often have Joni moments just like the one that you were embarassed about and I say don't be embarassed at all but embrase the moment and sing your heart out. I recently bought LOTC and I sing as loud as I can, playing the music louder than my neighbours probably like. :) TTT is a great album and I must say that I have moments like that too!! I have to say that playing the album on a PC CD player doesn't do it justice. There are so many things going on in that album that it really must be played on a good stereo system. I have to admit that I usually skip through the song "Lead Balloon," as well, (not really a fan of that one;) ). So play it loud and keep enjoying it as I will continue to do with all my Joni albums! Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:32:49 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: "The Hissing... and Jealous Paws" ---a parody Lori! You have inspired a parody! >Lori, trying to type over a jealous cat who has positioned herself in front of >the keyboard and is now even hissing ... "The Hissing...and Jealous Paws" She gave Her a diet, queen-fit, and of sole She bought Her Highness a scratch post for the sill So she could see the valley alley cats From her perch of gold See the kitties in the glowing fun With Her hissing...and jealous paws Kitty gave those hissy fits to regret And good reason to quit typin' She gave Mom a room full of hairballs That others just sit in Still Lori stays with the discussion list so kind It's for Joni's voice! As Kitty hisses...with those jealous paws! *********Mistress of Parody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:35:45 EST From: AUDRE60317@aol.com Subject: twofers NJC Does anyone know where you get 2fers for Broadway (Manhatten) shows? Address and time they open? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:42:09 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Merry Christmas! And let's hope that she does a few more Midwest dates! The Adler Theater (that I mentioned months ago) would be really suitable if she was still solo and played her acoustic. The atmosphere is really calm and peaceful and it would be as intimate as it looked on the taping last summer. No Dylan, no Van... Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds did a show together about 4 years ago at The Adler and it was really intimate, from what I heard about it. Eric Taylor-if you have a tape of this, let me know! MarkyMark NP-The Christmas Story (Perhaps the greatest Christmas move ever) At 10:59 PM +0100 12/25/98, Marian Russell wrote: > It's getting close to midnight here in Europe, so before the day is > over, I want to say Merry Christmas to all of my JMDL friends! It has > been a great Joni year, hasn't it? I hope next year will be as exciting > for all of us! ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Does the moon play only silver When it strums the galaxy?" -Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:50:38 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Merry Christmas! Whoops! I meant movie... Wouldn't that be something if Christmas was run by a few corporate bastards?!?! NP-Neil Young-Alabama At 4:42 PM -0600 12/25/98, Mark Domyancich wrote: > NP-The Christmas Story (Perhaps the greatest Christmas move ever) ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Does the moon play only silver When it strums the galaxy?" -Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:37:26 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: "The Hissing... and Jealous Paws" ---a parody Marsha! > "The Hissing...and Jealous Paws" > > She gave Her a diet, queen-fit, and of sole > She bought Her Highness a scratch post for the sill > So she could see the valley alley cats > From her perch of gold > See the kitties in the glowing fun > With Her hissing...and jealous paws Bahahahahaha! Love it!!! Can we sing this together sometime? Colorado in '99? Lori SA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:20:35 -0000 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: covers... paul wrote: >>>I was a little puzzled by this aspect of Bob's question as well, because her first cover was "Twisted" on C&S. But I think Bob was not referring to covers she recorded, but rather those she may have performed.<<< yes, I realize that, which is why I spent the effort to give what I hope was a thorough answer... >>> Pat, from what I have read about Joni's time with Chuck was that during at least part of their marriage they were trying to raise her baby (who is now Kilauren, as we know) but that after some time she realized they could not and she gave it up for adoption. > During the time you knew her, were you aware she had a baby or do you think she had already given it up for adoption by then? And if so, do you recall whether she was performing "Little Green"?<<< I believe that I met them after Kilauren was already out of the picture... though it's possible they could've been using some kind of chidcare arrangements, as much as they were on the road at that point, I doubt it... it was not something that they ever talked about either and it was news to me when I first heard LG on Blue... although, thinking of it now, it may be that the others, who had organized to reopen the Cellar, who'd demanded of me that I "get Chuck and Joni", were aware of the child and may have even done a little childcare themselves when Chuck and Joni were in town... (in the time of the prior incarnation of the Cellar... before I came into the picture) but no one ever talked about it, if so... no, LG was not one of her songs in those days and I think it was still unwritten... in fact, one might consider it 'conspicuous by it's absence' on her first album, considering the starkly honest, confessional nature of songs like 'I Had A King'... of course, it is only speculation... no more qualified than yours or anyone else's, but it may be that she was not 'ready' to confess that... to write about it, until the creating of 'Blue'... but honestly, Joni never said and I don't really know... pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:37:49 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: merry xmas yo happy holidaze, best wishes, lots of good food,fun, and cheer. everyone gets a 2nd chance. - -mariana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:18:44 -0500 From: Jeanne M Whitlock Subject: Congress' morality play (NJC) and merry holidays and all Well put, Jim! This whole mess just strikes me as a maze of hypocrisy, especially in light of Contragate. The GOP sure was screaming about special prosecuters then. What's that Aretha song (ch-ch-chain, chain of fools) On another note, Merry Christmas (ok it's a little late, but I just got done wading through 200 messages) and Happy New Year to all in JMDL-land. It's been quite a year, hasn't it? I had 2 Joni interludes with my family this week; my daughter (a confirmed Nickelodeon nut) and I were watching the Wonder Years when all of a sudden "it's comin on Christmas" is playing in the background...I said to my daughter "Katie, that's Joni!!" She just gave me her best 6-year old "oh mother" look, and then said "that's kind of a sad song for Christmas" Then my mother and I went to see "You've Got Mail" which contained a couple of Joni references. Including the Tom Hanks character putting down Joni's metaphors on "Both Sides Now" My mom just looked at me and cracked up. I also had the pleasure of bumping into Terry--Hey Terry! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:37:27 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Blue revisited Well Santa brought me the digitally remastered "Blue" CD. I got the chance to sit quietly and discover it again for the first time (just like corn flakes). I gave Joni's first 4 CD's including Blue to my local library because I just wasn't into listening to the older stuff anymore. I had taped my favorite songs off of the 4 and away they went. However, I regretted giving away Blue. I had rationalized to myself that I preferred the MOI versions better because Joni's voice wasn't so high pitched & I liked the arrangements with the LA Express. Between the new surround sound speakers, a kick ass stereo system (all good hippies pride themselves with the best stereo systems) & the digital remastering I finally heard how fantastic that LP is. It helps that I haven't listened to it for a few years. Man, when Joni hits those high notes there is no fuzz! It is all crisp & clean. It was like having her in my livingroom. What a voice! Yep, I will definitely be reacquainting myself with this CD. It also made me think about her voice range now. It amazes me how her voice has changed. I know that discussion took place some time back. It seems that there are 3 voices to 3 eras of Joni. From STAS to FTR-phase one. C&S to DED-phase two. And Chalkmark to TTT-phase 3. HHHMMM, Trina, Anne & Estrella? She is three, one's in the middle unmoved waiting to show what she sees to the other two... anyhow, Blue is a fantastic CD. Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:22:22 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Speak of Missing Persons / Tonight there's only one. "Happy Christmas Yoko." "Happy Christmas Johnny." - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:31:13 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Requests for reading suggestions Tom Ross, in humor mode, wrote: +++++++++++++++++++ Wm Blake goes up to a hotdog stand and says, Make me one with everything. . . +++++++++++++++++++ First off, let me say that I get the existential joke even though I don't know anything about this guy Wm Blake. Who has suggestions on where to start reading some philosophy? Is William Blake considered a Philosopher? Where do you start reading some of Jung? - -- "I was so much older then/I'm younger than that now." Prince Charles All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:35:09 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Amen <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Chad wrote: I anticipate her next move and will anxiously await an album of standards...can you imagine? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can only say, "Amen and welcome home". Sorry Steve! - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:35:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Amen <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Chad wrote: I anticipate her next move and will anxiously await an album of standards...can you imagine? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can only say, "Amen and welcome home". Sorry Steve! - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:37:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Amen <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Chad wrote: I anticipate her next move and will anxiously await an album of standards...can you imagine? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can only say, "Amen and welcome home". Sorry Steve! (Steve D. Just the mention of his name, created multiple clones- HA HA HA! I just crack my self up sometimes. Back to the shadows as they say. np: Neil and Crazy Horse.) - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:38:06 -0600 From: Diana Duncan Subject: Re: "The Hissing... and Jealous Paws" ---a parody Marsha, loved your parody! >Kitty gave those hissy fits to regret >And good reason to quit typin' When I read Lori's comment I LOL because my cat was doing the *same* thing. Right at that moment I was trying to read around him. Hope everyone had great Holiday. I had peaceful Christmas with my daughter and some extended family. I got one CD, "Ray of Light", what a fantasticly intricate piece of music. Usually, Tecno stuff will sound all the same, but Madonna really has many different sounds. Diana, NP: a purring cat curled up in front of my monitor. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:06:43 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Bill Clinton Marian wrote: I just hope it will end soon. The man has already suffered enough humiliation. =======>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also think that he has suffered enough. But during the election, they described Clinton as "the comeback kid". He has an incredible ability to keep focused on the business of doing his job WHILE defending himself for month after month, until his adversaries just wear themselves out. He did it when he was running for President for example. This is the way I remember it: During the election the Republicans were saying that Clinton was a bad choice because he had no character. (Character meaning personal integrity in this case.) The Republicans pointed out that Clinton allegedly had Arkansas state police scouting....... uh..... *dates* for the then govenor Clinton. The Republicans tried to mold the election in terms of character because they had an upstanding President already in office, named Geo. Bush. [Personally I never saw what was so *wrong* with Bush that we had to kick him out; after all, the economy was humming along.] So, I voted against Clinton. Now, I think the Republicans really went too far by impeaching him. Jees! There's a syndicated sex advice show on in Cincinnati called "Doctor Judy". She said that some people beleive that oral sex is permissible with a different partner, without breaking the marital vows. While I don't subscribe to this point of view, perhaps Bill Clinton does. His testimony leads me to think that. There is an air of "plausible deniablity" in it. Don't count out the Comeback Kid just yet. And yes, if a new election was held today, I still vote for Bush over Clinton! - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #525 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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