From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #524 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, December 25 1998 Volume 03 : Number 524 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- holiday tiger [Thomas Ross ] CD Single for sale/trade ["Paul Leadbeater" ] new to the list ["Chad Burkhart" ] Re: Age of Little Drummer Person? (NJC) ["Juerg Loeffler" ] P.Henry's Joni stories [Marian Russell ] Santa's Off His Medication [Robert Glenn Plotner ] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. [Don Sloan ] The P Henry Trial [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. ["Kakki" ] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. ["Kakki" ] "I'm Dreaming..." ["Marsha" ] Today in Joni History [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: car thieves and tape sharks, what happened to this place? [AzeemAK@ao] A good Christmas joke (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: P.Henry's Joni stories [Ashara@aol.com] Re: you guys... *S* [Phyliss Ward ] merry christmas!!! [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: new to the list ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. [Susan Chaloner ] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #523 [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation ["Kakki" ] Merry everything to all ["Kakki" ] JMDL to the rescue! (NJC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. [Mark or Travis ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #523 [TerryM2442@aol.com] Thanks and Happy Hollidays ["Chad Burkhart" ] Can she write, or what? (NJC) [Thomas Ross ] Joni Moment ["Eric Taylor" ] The Many Blessings of the JMDL (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: P.Henry's Joni stories [Gellerray@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 03:21:44 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: holiday tiger ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`). (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il).-'' (li).' ((!.-' If I were that monk dangling from the cliff and contemplating a strawberry, I'd want to tame the tiger in a hurry! In fact the spell I'd cast on him would probably be the 1st stanza of the Blake. ergo: Wm Blake goes up to a hotdog stand and says, Make me one with everything. . . Winefood, Freelicker WhyKnock'em to you! tr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:42:21 -0000 From: "Paul Leadbeater" Subject: CD Single for sale/trade Hi, I have a copy of the following UK CD Single which I am looking to sell or trade. My Secret Place / Number One / Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody / Good Friends on Geffen GEF 37 CD I will sell it for £5 inc P + P or trade for 2 Joni tapes. Thanks, Paul Leadbeater ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:08:33 PST From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: new to the list Hello everyone, I just signed on to the list a couple of days ago and I have been reading the posts as a receive the digests. I am a student at Concordia University in Montreal and of course I love Joni. The best thing is that my girlfriend also loves Joni as do my neighbours down the hall. We are inviting all of our best JM fan friends over in the new year for a small and intimate JM party. I have to say that I love everything that Joni does...it seems like everything she touches turns to gold. I love her really old stuff (epecially LOTC) as well as the so called "eperimental" works like Mingus, Hejira, Shadows and Light etc. I am a big fan of jazz and experimental music anyway and when Joni tries her hand at it, who can complain. The definate highlight of my year was to see Joni play at the Corell Centre in Ottawa, the horrible acoustics of a hockey stadium aside, it was fantastic. It was nice to hear some of the new songs from TTT and some old favorites like Amelia and the Magdeline Laundries. I for one am very glad that Joni is talking about doing a project of Standards. She was awesome singing Summer Time and Comes Love. Joni is a rocker, a cruner, and an all around wicked performer and the media should be ashamed for not giving her the attention that she deserves. Pop music would be hard pressed to EVER produce a musician that is prolific as Joni and I am so happy that I got to see her perform live. My girlfriend is lucky to also have seen her perform at The day in the garden festival this past summer. (me-still jealous). Anyway, at the risk of posting a really long message, I just want to say that I love Joni and am so glad that she is still going and experimenting with new musical ideas. I anticipate her next move and will anxiously await an album of standards...can you imagine? Truly yours, Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:13:02 +0100 From: "Juerg Loeffler" Subject: Re: Age of Little Drummer Person? (NJC) Hi Janet, >Does anyone in JMDLland know when the song "The Little Drummer Boy" was >written? I think it was first released in 1958 by the composer: The Little Drummer Boy (Harry Simeone/Henry Onorati/Katherine Davis) Harry Simeone Chorale. 20th Fox 45-121 (1958). Delaware Music Corp. Happy Christmas to everyone. It's snowing over here in Switzerland. - - Juerg - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:43:57 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:27:02 -0800, Kakki wrote: > There is not only a code of ethics, there are Federal and State laws against > perjury in the U.S. That is what I cannot get past on this issue. I'm > beyond sick of this long, drawn-out circus going on, but I cannot bring > myself to say to let perjury by a President slide by, even though it's > related to Bill's personal matters. > I feel that this kind of statement is flawed in the sense that Clinton alledges he didn't lie under oath (at least in his Paula Jones deposition) - that he took the narrowest meaning of "sexual relations" and answered truthfully within that meaning. The Republicans have chosen to ignore Clinton's legal argument and have judged him guilty of perjury. At every step of the way in the whole impeachment process, the Republicans have not played fair. The Starr report portrayed Clinton in the most damning way possible - all references to any redeeming statements of witnesses in the inquiry were hidden in footnotes. The requests of his lawyers for more time to make their case for him in the Judiciary Committee were refused. The House refused to even consider censure as an option. The Republicans have been out to get Clinton even before he ever took office. They are rabidly partisan and it's hard for me to look at this whole affair in any other way. I just hope it will end soon. The man has already suffered enough humiliation. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:55:09 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: P.Henry's Joni stories Dear Pat. I was enjoying your stories very much. Would you please change your mind and post them to the whole JMDL list again? If not, would you please put me on your individual email list? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:56:13 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Santa's Off His Medication Wishing all a wonderful ! http://members.xoom.com/rabidfox/page10.html Ignatz Mouse == Ignatz Mouse's Tape Trade Archive and Seriously Disturbed Humor http://members.xoom.com/rabidfox Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:37:53 -0800 From: Don Sloan Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. Kakki wrote: > << I'm > beyond sick of this long, drawn-out circus going on, but I cannot bring > myself to say to let perjury by a President slide by, even though it's > related to Bill's personal matters. >> then Paul I wrote: > I understand your feelings, Kakki, but because it is related to his personal > life, I think it would be more appropriate to wait until he is out of office > and try him in a criminal court for the offense, rather than in the Senate. Who among us ISN'T tired of this? (Let's not forget that if Bill would have told the Truth, it would long be over and he would still be prez.) But just because it started about sex or we're tired of it doesn't mean it should now be swept under the rug. It may have started as a personal matter, but when ol' Bill perjured himself, lied to the Grand Jury and (over the TV) wagged his finger in our faces and told that insulting whopper, it became a very public and important issue directly related to the Presidency. I wonder how long are people going to remain hypnotized by this guy? I submit to you all that if he were an old ugly nasty *mean* Republican, his ass would'a been gone several months ago. I don't give a damn what he does with his willy, tho it would be nice to have thought he was enough in control to put his compulsions aside when he became prez. But lying, perjuring and quite obviously using the power and resources of his office to perpetuate the bullshit is too much for me and (more importantly) too much for the Law. I'm neither a democrat nor a republican. I didn't vote for Clinton or Dole or Bush (I did vote). And I think the guy has been a reasonable president in many respects. But lots of good people do ugly stuff every day - and being an overall good guy or effective in one's job doesn't mean he/she should get a free pass. In the end, I think he'll keep his job. But in the end, I think the best thing for him would be to get tossed. Maybe then he'd hit a real bottom and start dealing with his shit. If nothing else, the guy is in total denial of some real big chunks of reality. My 2 cents........ flame retardant suit snugly in place. Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 98 09:56:11 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: The P Henry Trial While watching the trial of P Henry unfold, I began thinking about Mary Waddington, Joni's childhood friend who inspired the song Cherokee Louise. You see, she really had such a hard life, what with her father abusing her sexually, then getting sent to a reform school, and finding out, upon her release, that the only place for her in society was with the crime families of the town. I was thinking -- what if this woman, now in her mid 50s, were to get a PC as a Christmas gift, connect to the internet, find the JMDL, and post about how she and Joni, as kids, would take a picnic lunch onto the Broadway Bridge and hang out? She would be attacked here, condemned as fraud and a liar. Does she need that? Hasn't poor Mary suffered enough in her lifetime? If anyone has any leads on how I can contact her, 'ya know, warn her to stay away from this place, I'd appreciate it! -Kenny hey Pat, keep those posts comin'!!! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:01:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. Hi Marian, >I feel that this kind of statement is flawed in the sense that Clinton >alledges he didn't lie under oath (at least in his Paula Jones >deposition) - that he took the narrowest meaning of "sexual relations" >and answered truthfully within that meaning. The Republicans have >chosen to ignore Clinton's legal argument and have judged him guilty of >perjury. Even if one wants to consider his assertion that he took the narrowest meaning of "sexual relations" and absolve him of perjury (which I think could have been considered), he also vehemently proclaimed to the entire world something to the effect of "I did not even know that woman." As we soon learned that was a pure, unadulterated lie. Even though he did not technically proclaim this under oath, it most definitely served to severely undermine his credibility and is the one hair that cannot be split. >At every step of the way in the whole impeachment process, the >Republicans have not played fair. The Starr report portrayed Clinton in >the most damning way possible - all references to any redeeming >statements of witnesses in the inquiry were hidden in footnotes. The >requests of his lawyers for more time to make their case for him in the >Judiciary Committee were refused. The House refused to even consider >censure as an option. The Republicans have been out to get Clinton even >before he ever took office. They are rabidly partisan and it's hard for >me to look at this whole affair in any other way. On the other hand, the Republicans did not entrap him to lie or get involved with Monica in the first place. Clinton is a lawyer - he knows the laws or should know them. His own behavior and the subsequent way he chose to handle the problem delivered him straight into the hands of his political enemies. And I think we would all have to agree that if the tables were turned and Clinton was a Republican facing a Democratic House, they would do the same thing to him. It's been the American political modus operandus since day one in this country. When are we going to start judging people as individuals on a case by case basis in this country, rather than on what political party they belong to? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 05:17:08 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. In a message dated 12/24/98 4:58:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, donbvs@lightspeed.net writes: << I'm neither a democrat nor a republican. I didn't vote for Clinton or Dole or Bush (I did vote). >> That means you voted for either the Libertarian candidate(whoever he/she was, it doesn't matter) or Perot, in which case you're as crazy as the crazy aunt in the basement ol' Ross keeps comparing to the U.S. deficit. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 05:24:42 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. In a message dated 12/24/98 5:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << he also vehemently proclaimed to the entire world something to the effect of "I did not even know that woman." As we soon learned that was a pure, unadulterated lie. >> But Kakki, it's not a lie if he was using "know" in the Biblical sense, is it? As you probably know, perjury is an awfully difficult charge to prove because it is based on "language," not actions. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:22:36 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. ><< he also vehemently proclaimed to the entire > world something to the effect of "I did not even know that woman." As we > soon learned that was a pure, unadulterated lie. >> > >But Kakki, it's not a lie if he was using "know" in the Biblical sense, is it? >As you probably know, perjury is an awfully difficult charge to prove because >it is based on "language," not actions. >Paul I Somehow I just *knew* you would come up with that one and braid the hair where it could not be split! But alas, Paul, we don't use Biblical language as the standard in writing our laws or interpreting the words spoken by our Presidents. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:24:41 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: "I'm Dreaming..." My electricity went off for a full 6 hours, and as my little doggies and I huddled around the fireplace (although I have a well-insulated abode, it still felt better to be there with them), I did some last-minute card greetings by candlelight until the wee hours... Happy Holidays everyone! Marsha, sending this before the lights go off again in East Tennessee where we have a white Christmas predicted too ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:15:16 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Today in Joni History James Taylor, Carly Simon, Linda Rondstadt and Joni Mitchell are spotted crooning Christmas carols around the streets of Los Angeles. (1974) Happy Holidays to all of you from, gdave - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:20:56 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: car thieves and tape sharks, what happened to this place? In a message dated 24/12/98 01:07:34, Paul quipped very drolly: << PPS Did I tell anyone, by the way, that I was there when JM wrote the whole of Hejira? I'm afraid I can't remember much - too much coke, y'know - but I do seem to recall saying, "no, Joan you can't call it *Refuse* of the roads, whattabout 'refuge?'" I think she listened to me on that one. >> Nice one Paul! That got an audible chuckle out of me - well, I don't know if it was audible because I'm the only one in my department in today. The nearest I've got to anything like what Pat's been talking about was recently, when I sang 3 songs to a group of friends at a party. One of the songs was written by two friends of mine, and was released last year, although written 5 years ago - and they've never performed it live! They couldn't believe I was going to attempt it with just a guitar, and I was hoping to goad them into introducing it into their live set... hasn't worked yet. Azeem in London, wishing everyone in the list a happy Xmas/Yule/Solstice/whatever. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:34:21 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: A good Christmas joke (NJC) I hope everyone has a great Christmas! Peace and goodwill, Mark A woman takes her 16-year-old daughter to the doctor. The doctor says, "Okay, Mrs. Jones, what's the problem?" The mother says, "It's my daughter Darla, she keeps getting these cravings, she's putting on weight and is sick most mornings." The doctor gives Darla a good examination then turns to the mother and says, "Well,I don't know how to tell you this but your Darla is pregnant - about 4 months would be my guess." The mother says, "Pregnant?! She can't be, she has never ever been left alone with a man! Have you Darla?" Darla says, "No mother! I've never even kissed a man!" The doctor walked over to the window and just stares out it. About five minutes pass and finally the mother says, "Is there something wrong out there doctor?" The doctor replies, "No, not really, it's just that the last time anything like this happened, a star appeared in the east and three wise men came over the hill. I'll be darned if I'm going to miss it this time!" ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Does the moon play only silver When it strums the galaxy?" -Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:01:28 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Re: P.Henry's Joni stories In a message dated 98-12-24 04:56:33 EST, Marian writes: << I was enjoying your stories very much. Would you please change your mind and post them to the whole JMDL list again? If not, would you please put me on your individual email list? >> And Ashara says......(ducking from the JMDL police)......... ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:34:46 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: you guys... *S* Wally Kairuz wrote: > Pat, > I can't believe you're letting our " critical reasoning" spirit get to you. > This is the way the list is, and you shouldn't take it too seriously. Hey Pat!! I have to agree here. My first post to the list was both bold and naiive. I had set out on a mission to meet Joni and I asked the list for help. Most thought I was a nut, questioned my motives, and said some pretty harsh things. I responded from my heart, won respect from most, and thanks to info received from this group, succeeded in my mission! That was a year and a half ago and I'm still here. I've had so many incredible experiences since then. I've seen Joni in concert 3 times, including during the taping of her TV special. I've met some wonderful friends from this list, many in person. Stick it out Pat, you may find it is worth it after all. Phyliss, who found Joni to be very friendly and personal, as she received a HUGE hug!!! pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:52:06 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: merry christmas!!! greetings listers! what great news about wally! the best gift to this list!! so, full of the spirit as i am, i just want to wish all of you (again) a wonderful and safe holiday and a happy new year. special love sent to all my favorite listers, here and gone...and come back again! i hope santy claus is good to all of you! merry christmas joni mitchell!!! love to all - ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:52:16 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: new to the list - ---------- > From: Chad Burkhart > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: new to the list > Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 4:08 AM > > Hello everyone, > I just signed on to the list a couple of days ago and I have been > reading the posts as a receive the digests. I am a student at Concordia > University in Montreal and of course I love Joni. (snip) > Truly yours, > Chad Ohhhhh I love Montreal! My favorite city (so far)! Welcome & Happy Holidays! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:52:49 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation - ---------- > From: Kakki > To: MHart16164@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 3:27 PM > > > There is not only a code of ethics, there are Federal and State laws against > perjury in the U.S. That is what I cannot get past on this issue. I'm > beyond sick of this long, drawn-out circus going on, but I cannot bring > myself to say to let perjury by a President slide by, even though it's > related to Bill's personal matters. Most of our laws come into being from > the common law - cases that set precedents. If we set a precedent that a > President can lie under oath on certain matters, what happens? I've > actually heard several of the talking heads on TV say that we should change > the law to allowing lying about personal, i.e. sexual, matters. But if we > changed the law to provide for that, what would happen to people bringing > legitimate sexual harassment suits? It is a dilemma. >One of our attorneys co-authored > the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I've witnessed many of them ruminating over > this dilemma. But when it comes right down to it, they too express that the > bottom line is that perjury cannot be condoned or excused. > > Kakki > WOW Kakki!, I'm glad you spoke up, I feel the same way. I also add...Clinton is the head of the military right? What about that woman pilot (I forget her name) that was forced to leave the service or face court martial for having an affair with a married man?. Excuse me, but, I think the same rules apply to the Chief as well. I can't get past the whole feminist backing. Here is a man who uses women in the most degrading way. Isn't that why the feminist movement started...to stand up against this behavior? He gives the movement what they want with the abortion issue and yet has the biggest lack of respect for women by treating them as nothing but sex objects. I can't support that. The man is a narcissistic sex addict. I disliked him from the beginning because of that. I was married to that kind of man for 7 years. The arrogance, the cheating, thinking of me as less than human, an object for ejaculation purposes only. Narcissist are ugly, nasty people yet their charm can be very deceiving. I think he should be psychologically evaluated! "Individuals with this disorder show an exaggerated sense of self-importance and preoccupation with receiving attention. These persons are grandiose and expect and demand special treatment from others. They typically disregard the rights and feelings of others, especially if it helps serve their own goals. Their sense of entitlement is frequently a source of astonishment to others, although they themselves view their lavish expectations as merely just dues. A central element in the narcissistic personality pattern is an inability to take the perspective of another...in more general terms, they lack empathy. ...they do not seek therapy because they view themselves as nearly perfect and in no need of personal change." DSM 3R axis II, cluster B. There is no cure. Look past his charm, you can see it. Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:57:51 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: A Christmas Blessing To all of my fellow listers: May you always have... A sunbeam to warm you, Good luck to charm you, And a sheltering angel So nothing can harm you Laughter to cheer you, Faithful friends near you, And whenever you pray Heaven to hear you. Love, Susan Colleen Crawford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:32:54 EST From: Stacey4882@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #523 Hello, everyone, I'm a newbie. And a newbie with a project: I've been contracted by Schirmer Books, in New York, to put together an anthology called "The Joni Mitchell Companion." It'll be a compilation of all the best articles, essays, interviews and reviews that I can get permission to (and afford to) reprint. (I've already done a similar book on Paul Simon, also for Schirmer, called--you guessed it--"The Paul Simon Companion.") Anyway, just wanted to share this, and issue an open invitation for suggestions of favorite articles and other things you might like to see in such a book. If you like, you can also write to me at my regular e-mail address: stacey4882@aol.com. Thanks! Look forward to hearing from y'all. Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:52:04 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #523 This could also become a whole new book, but several of us guitar heads on this list and around the world would really like to see a guitar anthology book of all the guitar songs Joni has written. That would be really interesting! Mark NP-A Case of You At 11:32 AM -0500 12/24/98, Stacey4882@aol.com wrote: > Hello, everyone, > > I'm a newbie. And a newbie with a project: I've been contracted by Schirmer > Books, in New York, to put together an anthology called "The Joni Mitchell > Companion." It'll be a compilation of all the best articles, essays, > interviews and reviews that I can get permission to (and afford to) reprint. > (I've already done a similar book on Paul Simon, also for Schirmer, > called--you guessed it--"The Paul Simon Companion.") > > Anyway, just wanted to share this, and issue an open invitation for > suggestions of favorite articles and other things you might like to see in > such a book. If you like, you can also write to me at my regular e-mail > address: stacey4882@aol.com. > > Thanks! Look forward to hearing from y'all. > > Stacey ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| "Does the moon play only silver When it strums the galaxy?" -Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:29:10 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. Marian Russell wrote: > The Republicans have been out to get Clinton even > before he ever took office. They are rabidly partisan and it's hard for > me to look at this whole affair in any other way. > > I just hope it will end soon. The man has already suffered enough > humiliation. Yeah! I've had just about enough of this Starr Chamber shit! Where are the intervening galactic juries? FREE WILLY!!! And FREE PAT HENRY!!! In fact, send them both over to my place: I think they must have good things goin' ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Round and round the spirit tumbles With half a chance it still believes that Cities fall but minds don't follow and Goodness hides up someone's sleeve..."-Ferron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:34:13 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Companion Wow! Hi Stacey! About a month ago I saw your book "The Joni Mitchell Companion" listed as a "special order" item on one of the online book stores and was really curious about it. (I can't remember whether it was Amazon, B&N or Borders) Unfortunately there was no desciption of the book so I did a search on your other books and found a good description of "The Paul Simon Companion" which included the table of contents. The Paul Simon book looked like it was fantastic and I was wondering when we would hear more about the Joni book from someone. What a surprise to have you appear here on the list! There is a wealth of information here in the group - you've come to the right place. Welcome! Kakki >I'm a newbie. And a newbie with a project: I've been contracted by Schirmer >Books, in New York, to put together an anthology called "The Joni Mitchell >Companion." It'll be a compilation of all the best articles, essays, >interviews and reviews that I can get permission to (and afford to) reprint. >(I've already done a similar book on Paul Simon, also for Schirmer, >called--you guessed it--"The Paul Simon Companion.") > >Anyway, just wanted to share this, and issue an open invitation for >suggestions of favorite articles and other things you might like to see in >such a book. If you like, you can also write to me at my regular e-mail >address: stacey4882@aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:04:27 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation Marilyn wrote: >I can't get past the whole feminist backing. Here is a man who uses women >in the most degrading way. Isn't that why the feminist movement >started...to stand up against this behavior? He gives the movement what >they want with the abortion issue and yet has the biggest lack of respect >for women by treating them as nothing but sex objects. I can't support >that. This is another thing that boggles my understanding - the stolid support and uncritical defense of him by the very ones who have fought so long and hard to champion the rights of women. I truly cannot comprehend the contradiction when his treatment and lack of regard for women as individuals has been made so obvious over time. I can completely understand if someone believes what he does is his business - but why is there not one iota of corrresponding belief in the rights of the women involved in his situations? They are all routinely dismissed as "sluts", "trailer trash" and worse. It makes me feel like we have not evolved at all as a culture and are really still living in the Dark Ages. The official description of the narcissistic personality from the DSM is chillingly true. I also have had close encounters with narcissists and their brilliant charm is indeed a horribly deceiving mask. Another thought I've had on this whole matter is the defense of lying because "everyone lies" and "all politicians lie." Even if we accept that as the hard truth that we must live with, do we really want to accept and condone it so blithely and uncritically? Probably 99% of the good that happens on this earth derives from hope built on a sense of trust. (I'll give a 1% to "white lies" that function to smooth over relationships and prevent hurt feelings). When we condone lying at the highest level we move another foot closer to making our society into one giant shark tank. Kakki NP: Lucinda Williams - Greenville ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:44:05 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #523 Stacy, Welcome to the JMDL! And good luck with the book. (Of course, I already have a "Joni Mitchell companion" in Wally's site!!) Just FYI and per your request, my favorite JM article was the one in Vanity Fair from a couple of years back- Bob M. in SC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:47:16 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation In a message dated 12/24/98 1:16:04 PM Central Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << This is another thing that boggles my understanding - the stolid support and uncritical defense of him by the very ones who have fought so long and hard to champion the rights of women. I truly cannot comprehend the contradiction when his treatment and lack of regard for women as individuals has been made so obvious over time. I can completely understand if someone believes what he does is his business - but why is there not one iota of corrresponding belief in the rights of the women involved in his situations? They are all routinely dismissed as "sluts", "trailer trash" and worse. It makes me feel like we have not evolved at all as a culture and are really still living in the Dark Ages. >> Kakki - I'm sure it IS a dilemma for most women. Clinton has championed more women's issues and appointed more women to cabinet posts than any other president, yet his "admiration" for women as we know also slides in a more degrading direction as well. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:06:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation >Kakki - I'm sure it IS a dilemma for most women. Clinton has championed more >women's issues and appointed more women to cabinet posts than any other >president, Why do I get this funny intuition that those actions had a lot more to do with Hillary's influence, the goals of his party and the sign of the times, rather than Bill's heartfelt beliefs? You could also say that Jim Bakker brought more souls to Jesus than any other preacher before him. What did it ultimately prove about him as an individual man? Kakki, now really running for her flame-retardant Santa suit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:27:38 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Merry everything to all I'm outta here and off to enter Christmasland for a few days. My best wishes to everyone for a very happy and wonderful holiday. Much love to so many who have been wonderful friends I've been so fortunate to get to know. And thanks for the tapes, videos, jokes, cheer, thought-provoking debates which keep the brain cells tuned and firing and everything else! Love, Kakki P.S. Beware those suspicious looking holiday pates and green candy canes! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:02:06 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: JMDL to the rescue! (NJC) ok listers. here's a challenge. if ANYONE should happen to stumble across a Ginger Spice ON TOUR doll (they are about the size of a barbie and apparently very hard to find) PLEASE PLEASE buy it for me and email me immediately. i will wire you whatever you paid, plus a pretty little reward for an undisclosed amount. my little girl wanted one for christmas, from santa no less, and try as i might, it was just impossible. so i bought her all the other 4 and am leaving her a note from good old santy claus explaining that he had a little trouble with his elves this year, but will get one to her as soon as he can. so if ANY of you can help, i will be forever in your debt and my little lindsay will too. (i don't know why i didn't think of asking you guys for help sooner!) bless you all and merry happy!!! love, ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:03:05 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible REPs, etc. Marian Russell wrote: > I feel that this kind of statement is flawed in the sense that Clinton > alledges he didn't lie under oath (at least in his Paula Jones > deposition) - that he took the narrowest meaning of "sexual relations" > and answered truthfully within that meaning. The Republicans have > chosen to ignore Clinton's legal argument and have judged him guilty of > perjury. > > At every step of the way in the whole impeachment process, the > Republicans have not played fair. The Starr report portrayed Clinton in > the most damning way possible - all references to any redeeming > statements of witnesses in the inquiry were hidden in footnotes. The > requests of his lawyers for more time to make their case for him in the > Judiciary Committee were refused. The House refused to even consider > censure as an option. The Republicans have been out to get Clinton even > before he ever took office. They are rabidly partisan and it's hard for > me to look at this whole affair in any other way. > > I just hope it will end soon. The man has already suffered enough > humiliation. > > Marian > Vienna Ok, I know I shouldn't do it but I have to say, 'right on, Marian!' You have expressed my feelings exactly. Thank you. And a safe, happy holiday to all of you on the JMDL! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:10:40 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: (NJC) Irresponsible..plus psych evaluation RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > Clinton has championed more > women's issues and appointed more women to cabinet posts than any other > president, yet his "admiration" for women as we know also slides in a more > degrading direction as well. Since when is sex degrading? I love it!!! :~) Merry Christmas Willy and remember: "...They've been broken in churches and schools and Molded to middle class circumstance..."-JoniM Free the middle classes! Free their minds! ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Why is this joy not allowed?.."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:34:28 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Honey McBabe (NJC) Michael Paz wrote: > Dear Ms. McBabe- > Pierce me with thy arrow! Michael darlin'! From what I can see you require no peircings ;~) Happy Holidays to each and everyone!!! Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Happiness is the best facelift..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:35:35 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #523 In a message dated 12/24/98 11:35:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, Stacey4882@aol.com writes: << I've been contracted by Schirmer Books, in New York, to put together an anthology called "The Joni Mitchell Companion." >> Welcome Stacey! If you check out Wally's web page, you'll find loads of great info for your book. There were a few articles in Musician Magazine that I liked, but I can't recall when they were published. I'm sure someone here will know. When do you expect your book will be done? What a great project! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:58:34 PST From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: Thanks and Happy Hollidays Hi All, I just wanted to say thanks to all of you that have sent me messages to welcome me to the list. Happy hollidays to everyone!!!! Also, I wanted to say that all of you in the USA are very lucky to have been able to experience the entire Concert on Television as we only saw a small snippet of it on the CBC. The best part of it though were the shots to the paintings at the beginning and the end of each commercial break. Also cool was when Joni danced around with some people when her band!!! I have heard that the concert may be or has been released on video, but I can't find it anywhere. I wish I knew if it has been so I can get a hold of it. I would like to see the entire concert. Anyway, have a great Christmas and New Year! Chad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:39:19 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Ross Subject: Can she write, or what? (NJC) #311 It sifts from Leaden Sieves - - It powders all the Wood. It fills with Alabaster Wool The Wrinkles of the Road - - It makes an Even Face Of Mountain, and of Plain - - Unbroken Forehead from the East Unto the East again - - It reaches to the Fence - - It wraps it Rail by Rail Till it is lost in Fleeces - - It deals Celestial Vail To Stump, and Stack - - and Stem - - A Summer's empty Room - - Acres of Joints, where Harvests were, Recordless, but for them - - It Ruffles Wrists of Posts As Ankles of a Queen - - Then stills its Artisan - - like Ghosts - - Denying they have been - - c. 1862 ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`). (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (il).-'' (li).' ((!.-' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:00:39 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Joni Moment Howdy Siquombites! After listening to Taming The Tiger at least once almost every day since it was released I just had a Joni moment that I'm a little embarassed to share. I loaned TTT to a friend for a week and just played it real loud on a good stereo (I usually play it on my PC or in the car). To my delight I discovered I now know most words by heart and broke into the freest harmonizing ever imagined possible. Never have I experienced such pleasure from music! Halfway through Stay In Touch tears began flowing that didn't stop until Tiger Bones. The deep subtlety of her percussive chords, airy arrangements and silky voice overwhelmed me with love and admiration. Joni has never sounded, played or looked better! TTT is my favorite album and probably will be till her next one. But I usually skip Lead Balloon the way I did Blue Hotel Room.... Happy Holy Days! E.T. NP: Jeff Buckley, Sketches For My Sweetheart The Drunk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:53:36 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: The Many Blessings of the JMDL (NJC) Hi all, Now that I'm up in my mountain retreat, and able to really let go of all the day to day craziness that a single mother of 4 boys encounters, and completely relax, I just wanted to take the time to say a few things. First of all, John, CONGRATULATIONS on graduating from nursing school!!!! That is a big accomplishment, and I'm so glad you've shared that with all of us. WELCOME to: Luke and Jennifer- It's so great to have more of the younger generation on the list, and into Joni! (God- that last statement made me feel OLD!!!!! LOL!) Chad- Sounds like a GREAT New Year's party! Wish I could be there! and Stacey- I can't wait to hear more about your book!! and anyone else that I inadvertently forgot to welcome before this. Thank you to the entire JMDL for this past year: Thank you for the personal support- (sending out a huge amount of postcards from all over the world for my son's collection when he really needed a boost) Thank you to all those wonderful, crazy people that trecked to MA over Labor Day to meet, party, and sing Joni on my "backyard stage". Thank you to all those that were so patient, generous, and kind when I offered to dub the video tape trees for the list Thank you for all the incredible friends I have made through this list. and most of all, THANK YOU to Les and Wally, for providing a plethera of information about Joni that I would have NEVER have known otherwise, and for providing a forum to find (FINALLY, after 30 years!) others that share my passion for Joni's music. Many blessings and love to all of you in this holiday season. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:23:25 EST From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: P.Henry's Joni stories jesus christ (happy birthday) i am dying to know--what did p henry say?!!!! I missed the tales--must have deleted them without reading them, and now what with all the controversy i am so intrigued. I would have been anyway I can tell. Will someone please dig it up and post it (phenry's tale) to me? Please? Also, my nephew who is 14 and discovering so many things in the world, is also discovering all the great groups and (musical) figures of the late 60's. Jimi, Janis, Jim, Led Zepplin, etc...Jimi is paramount to him and he has been exposed--especially since i moved back to my hometown last january--to quiteabita Joni via me, and frankly he has been for the most part only politely interested. But lately, thanks to the vh1 or mtv spot where joni talks about janet's 'don't it always seem to go' (is that what that's called?), he has expressed interest in joni. (He thought she was a recent arrival on the music scene, until I set him straight on that!) Anyway, I told him that Joni tells a great little story of when she and Jimi hung out in some Canadian city where they both were playing and he was really into her music, and talked about his being tired of his guitar as huge penis image (at least that's how I interpreted it)--and I was wondering, where did joni say that? Is it somewhere on Wally's page? I can't remember where i read it--does anyone else remember? If so and you don't mind writing to tell I would be most appreciative. OK that's all--sorry so wordy--holidays have exhausted me, plus i just tend to run on--am working on that, but progress can be slow. Merry Christmas to all. 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