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JMDL Digest Monday, December 21 1998 Volume 03 : Number 518
The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: (No Subject) ["P. Henry" ]
that's cool... ["P. Henry" ]
authenticity... ["P. Henry" ]
ps... ["P. Henry" ]
thanks! *S* ["P. Henry" ]
harsh words... ["P. Henry" ]
Re: harsh words... [Mark Domyancich ]
Re : harsh words (NJC) [Jason Maloney ]
P. Henry PENS ["Mark T. Klempner" ]
NJC - here we go again...... [Jason Maloney ]
Re: Simply feeling my way around (NJC) [Ashara@aol.com]
i wish i had a river, i could skate away on... [RickieLee1@aol.com]
p henry [catman ]
Re: (NJC) Hypocritical irresponsible Republicans [catman ]
Re: Re : harsh words (NJC) [catman ]
Re: Re : harsh words (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ]
Laura Nyro Acronyms (NJC) ["Mark T. Klempner" ]
Re: i wish i had a river, i could skate away on... [luvart@snet.net]
bonbon mots [Thomas Ross ]
Re: JMDL Digest V3 #517 ["Ryan Lantrip" ]
Re: Joni singing with Seal? [Jerry Notaro ]
Re: NJCSIQUOMBDJRDIMHOCMIARSBTWTIDEDROTFLSJCLOL(VLJC) [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: (NJC) i wish i had a river, i could skate away on... [LRFye@aol.com]
My Top 5 [Brian Gross ]
Joni on sampling (was JMDL Digest V3 #517) [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: NJCSIQUOMBDJRDIMHOCMIARSBTWTIDEDROTFLSJCLOL(VLJC) [Jason Maloney ]
Re: Simply feeling my way around (NJC) [Marian Rulewski ]
NJC Squirrels [Diana Duncan ]
Re: NJC Alanis ["bern.gallagher" ]
My 2 cents worth [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)]
Re: NJC Squirrels [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: NJC Squirrels [Brian Gross ]
RE: Simply feeling my way around (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ]
Music Blvd $10 coupon-exp 12/31/98 NJC (unless you order some) [Bounced ]
Re: Re : harsh words (NJC) [Marilune@aol.com]
Re: Re : harsh words (NJC) ["Marsha" ]
Re: Simply feeling my way around (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: Re : harsh words (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com]
Re: Will The Real Joni Mitchell Please Stand Up? [Mark-Leon Thorne ]
Re: Joni singing with Seal? [Mark-Leon Thorne
Subject: Re: (No Subject)
hi gene,
yes, well... *S* I know the Joni that was 30 years ago... through the eyes of who I was 30 years ago...
sure I'd be glad to tell you more... but as I said in this post to terry, it makes it easier if you ask something or at least mention something that might interest you... this is my second substantive post to the group... perhaps you can key off something I've already said... I knew Joni more than two years... there's quite a lot I could talk about... help me out here, ok? tanx, pat
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On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:14:58 Gene Mock wrote:
>P.Henry you truly are for real. Please tell more, you know her well. Thank
>You Gene
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:17:46 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: that's cool...
hey mark, that's ok... 'credibility with you' is not necessarily what I seek in my life... *S* but if you ask Joni you'll probably find that it was her habit to jam with friends and to bounce songs off them... see, she was like she had no ego... VERY different from most performers! when you talked to her it was like 'just one of the gang'...
no, I don't claim any 'collaboration', in fact, in my memory, I wasn't much help at all... none, in fact... still, she, in fact, called me back in the dressing room (not the only time this ever happened) and played what she had so far and asked me to jump in with any ideas I had... don't know if anything I did or said influenced her but I doubt it... pretty sure she was well aware that I'd certainly never written a song and that I was quite the 'mocking bird', virtually aping all the performers that came through... doing their material when they were playing elsewhere...
I think if you asked most musicians who ever worked with her at any time they would tell you it was completely different from working with anyone else they'd ever played with... in fact, I'm sure of it!
it's hard to explain but I guess ya'd have to know her and the way she was with me and others... I think maybe she was trying to encourage me, then a 17 yr old kid... maybe trying to fan a creative spark she saw in me... I remember how blown away I was that she'd even ask me for my thoughts...
please understand, I don't in any way want to infer that Joni is not the true original author of all her material... she obviously is! but, to be honest, I don't think Joni was ever a songwriter in the same genre as neil sedaka or carol king or the rest of the brillites (not that they weren't great too) who learned songwriting as a trade and could write a song on the spot about any subject one might bring up... now, while I'm pretty sure Joni could probably do that as well, I think she looked at writing a song as a heart thing and as art... she emearsed herself in life (AND people) and wrote what she became...
no, mark, I don't claim authorship... but I DO claim authenticity! perhaps it is an error to compare Joni Mitchell in ANY way to "songwriters of minor integrity"...
pat
Mark wrote:
Sorry, P. Henry, you've just lost all credibility with me. Even
songwriters of minor integrity consider it a collaboration if someone else
participates in any way in the creation of a song.
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:36:57 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: authenticity...
Deb wrote:
Subject: Re: facts
"The one thing that confuses me is that I've always heard that Joni
wrote "Both Sides Now" in Philadelphia, at Larry and Joy's
house, around 1967."
hi deb,
that's fair... *S* but I really don't think there is any conflict... didn't know larry and joy, but you have to remember two things: first, a song is not necessarily written like right now in one sitting like baking a cake... and second, depending on which coffee houses were open all week and those that were only open on weekends, like ours, a performer on the circuit like she was might play in philly, toronto and detroit, all in the same week... guess that's all I can offer...
btw, I didn't mention it to mark but if someone cares to authenticate my claims as to who I am and where I was in 1966-8, a lot could be documented through the Port Huron Times Herald if one cared to look... *S* pat
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:45:31 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: ps...
ps - Mark wrote:
"Anyway, other stuff you're saying doesn't ring true to me either."
btw, mark, if you'd care to tell me what "other stuff" you mean, I'd be glad to address that as well... *S*
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:56:36 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: thanks! *S*
Terry wrote:
"Well, I disagree. I am the one who encouraged Pat to post that letter to the
list. The things he's describing DO ring true because I live in Detroit and
am very familiar with the clubs and musicians he's talking about."
thanks for that terry and thank you for the encouragement too... *S* I don't blame anyone though... what kind of fans would we be if we didn't loyally defend our Lady from any who would pose falsely. hang tough, though... cause yer right! *BS*
ps - if there's anyone in the gang who's on talkin' terms with Joni, perhaps she recalls... *S*
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:04:50 -0000
From: "P. Henry"
Subject: harsh words...
Diana wrote:
"I'll agree with you Mark, P. Henry either was trying a joke or is severely
demented. I'm afraid this list knows too much about Joni's life to believe
any of his fantasies.
Personally, I daydream about "hanging out" with Joni but most of the time I
know the difference between reality and fantasy."
harsh words, diana... "severely demented"??? don't "believe any of his fantasies"??? I don't "know the difference between reality and fantasy"??? ya know you should be careful about giving out harsh words... in case you end up having to eat them... *G* pat
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:28:11 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: harsh words...
Following the words of Les: please take these things off list, OK?
Best,
Mark
At 11:04 AM +0000 12/20/98, P. Henry wrote:
> harsh words, diana... "severely demented"??? don't "believe any of
> his fantasies"??? I don't "know the difference between reality and
> fantasy"??? ya know you should be careful about giving out harsh
> words... in case you end up having to eat them... *G* pat
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:45:46 +0000
From: Jason Maloney
Subject: Re : harsh words (NJC)
Mark,
For chrissakes, stop being a jerk! ENOUGH! You accuse this person in
public, then tell him (in public again) to take it off-list! Isn't there
too much hypocrisy in the world as it is?
Jason.
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:49:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark T. Klempner"
Subject: P. Henry PENS
P. Henry wrote:
please understand, I don't in any way want to infer that Joni is not the
true original author of all her material...
Mark in Chapel Hill writes:
OK, you are absolved. What set me off is this issue of people claiming
they have written or helped to write other peoples songs. Because of
this, writer/performers have had to face lawsuits *almost* as stupid as
this impeachment trial. Back in the 70s, my friend David wrote a song
for Bonnie Raitt. He went to a BR concert (coincidentally, it was in
Detroit), and gave it to a security guard asking him to give it to Bonnie.
Sure enough, the guard must have given her the tape, because Bonnie's
producer eventually contacted David about the song, and she later recorded
it. (It took a *long* time, but that's another story.)
That could not happen today. Performers will not accept cassettes from
writers, whether they try to hand it to them, or send it through the
mail. The only way it can come is through an attorney. And it's all
because people go around claiming that they helped so-and-so write
such-and-such song, usually because "they heard my tape and used my
idea(s)." It's such a tragic blocking off of synchronicty/creative flow.
more later--Mark in Chapel Hill
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:01:13 +0000
From: Jason Maloney
Subject: NJC - here we go again......
I apologize if the irascible tone of my last post upset anyone, but
REALLY....how many more times are we gonna have to go through this
internal squabbling?
The last week has seen much bad blood, and for no discernable reason.
Why is everyone so uptight? Religion, is, I admit, a touchy subject at
the best of times....but now we're arguing over something that is hardly
something to get this upset about.
I'm sure I can't be the only one who is becoming weary of all this. Has
Chilli's leaving, and the bad feelings aired at the time, not taught us
now unproductive such ill-feeling can be?
Jason, hoping for a return to the good times....
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:22:47 EST
From: Ashara@aol.com
Subject: Re: Simply feeling my way around (NJC)
In a message dated 98-12-18 15:50:49 EST, you write:
<< Next day we went up to the White Mts in New Hampshire. Oooooo, I
loved that area! So pretty up there. >>
You bet! That's where I am writing from right now. I'm up here to ski, but it
seems Mother Nature has a different thought in mind. It still is beautiful,
though. Welcome, Loren, and I'm so glad you got your lithograph! I want a
detailed account of your wife's reaction when she opens it.
Hugs,
Ashara
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:24:27 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: i wish i had a river, i could skate away on...
greetings listers.
i can't even read the boston sunday globe today. this is a very sad day for
america (unless you are one of those born again folks from the ultra right
wing...you know, the one's who believe god put gay people on the earth to
teach straight people the meaning of tolerance? maybe god put republicans on
this earth to teach the rest of us the meaning of arrogance.) i have not felt
so betrayed by my government (MY government? not mine, not today...) since
the vietnam days. i was a freshman in college when nixon ordered the
christmas bombing of hanoi, which some of you may recall. this is a similar
feeling.
it feels as though we are the audience to a greek tragedy doesn't it? this is
classic greek tragedy...the powerful king, brought down by his own fatal
flaws, delivering himself into the hands of his enemies. sophocles could not
have done better.
but it is christmas week and i am determined to enjoy it. i rarely post
anymore to the list, but i am around, like it or not. so, while i am here, at
this moment, i want to take the opportunity to wish all of you a very merry
christmas. wherever you are, whatever you believe, i hope this season has
some joy and meaning for you all.
bless us, don't let us lose the drift...
peace and good will, love ric
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:41:17 +0000
From: catman
Subject: p henry
I might find these posts really interesting if I could read them!
It is easier if they fit on the page rather than having to scroll to th
right and left. Makes my eyes funny so i cannot read them!
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:41:12 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: (NJC) Hypocritical irresponsible Republicans
LRFye@aol.com wrote:
> Colin asked:
>
> > So how can UK and US ignore the UN but Iraq cannot?
>
> Because we are sovereign and all knowing, and authorized by God to do as we
> please.
Oh yes I forgot that! Know how Granada is nowadays?
>
>
> Lori, with tongue firmly planted in cheek but angry as hell at the U.S.
> Congress ...
> San Antonio
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:43:29 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Simply feeling my way around (NJC)
At this moment I am wearing my eagle sweatshirt, bough in North Conway, NH. White
Mountains were beautiful. Almost got killed visitng Sabbaday Falls(didn't close
it and neglected to mention it was all iced up!)
Also, the one place I turned onto the wrong side of the road!
Ashara@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 98-12-18 15:50:49 EST, you write:
>
> << Next day we went up to the White Mts in New Hampshire. Oooooo, I
> loved that area! So pretty up there. >>
>
> You bet! That's where I am writing from right now. I'm up here to ski, but it
> seems Mother Nature has a different thought in mind. It still is beautiful,
> though. Welcome, Loren, and I'm so glad you got your lithograph! I want a
> detailed account of your wife's reaction when she opens it.
>
> Hugs,
> Ashara
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:51:35 -0500
From: luvart@snet.net
Subject: Re: Simply feeling my way around (NJC)
At 11:22 AM 12/20/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-12-18 15:50:49 EST, you write:
>
><< Next day we went up to the White Mts in New Hampshire. Oooooo, I
> loved that area! So pretty up there. >>
>
Ashara writes:
>You bet! That's where I am writing from right now.
Oh wonderful Ashara! Please bring us the Joni wisdom when you come down
from the mountain (scribed on stone tablets)! What will you do next ....
part the Charles River!?
Heather (sorry, I'm in a weird mood today)
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:55:11 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re : harsh words (NJC)
Oh, no! There's too many Mark's on this list! The one arguing with P.
Henry was Mark Klempner. This is my first time contributing to this
thread.
At 3:45 PM +0000 12/20/98, Jason Maloney wrote:
> Mark,
>
> For chrissakes, stop being a jerk! ENOUGH! You accuse this person in
> public, then tell him (in public again) to take it off-list! Isn't there
> too much hypocrisy in the world as it is?
>
> Jason.
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:02:32 +0000
From: catman
Subject: Re: Re : harsh words (NJC)
seems there a few who write things and then promptly forget they did!
Mark Domyancich wrote:
> Oh, no! There's too many Mark's on this list! The one arguing with P.
> Henry was Mark Klempner. This is my first time contributing to this
> thread.
>
> At 3:45 PM +0000 12/20/98, Jason Maloney wrote:
> > Mark,
> >
> > For chrissakes, stop being a jerk! ENOUGH! You accuse this person in
> > public, then tell him (in public again) to take it off-list! Isn't there
> > too much hypocrisy in the world as it is?
> >
> > Jason.
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:12:02 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: Re : harsh words (NJC)
Look, Mark Klempner was bickering with P. Henry, NOT ME.
At 5:02 PM +0000 12/20/98, catman wrote:
> seems there a few who write things and then promptly forget they did!
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:14:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "Mark T. Klempner"
Subject: Laura Nyro Acronyms (NJC)
Robert, I thought your acronyms were hilarious. What do you make of
the fact that the acronyms of LN's masterpiece trilogy seem to posess a
very high level of Laura-meaning:
EATTC (Eat tender care)
NYT (Nite!)
CATBOS (Cat bows)
Ok, sign me up for an MRI (and an MMPI while we're in the waiting room).
Mark in Seattle can drive; Kakki can restrain me.
Mark in Chapel Hill
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:13:29 -0500
From: luvart@snet.net
Subject: Re: i wish i had a river, i could skate away on...
At 11:24 AM 12/20/98 EST, you wrote:
<>>
>it feels as though we are the audience to a greek tragedy doesn't it?
this is
>classic greek tragedy...the powerful king, brought down by his own fatal
>flaws, delivering himself into the hands of his enemies. sophocles could not
>have done better.
>
We went to see the movie Elizabeth last night. Clinton should've taken a
lesson from this lady of history past. She ruled for forty years. Towards
the end of the movie, Elizabeth states "I am married to England". I know
that times are different now but, think of it, one would have to be married
to hers (or his) country in order to benefit its people. What a task to
under take! To give up yourself for others.
>but it is christmas week and i am determined to enjoy it. i rarely post
>anymore to the list, but i am around, like it or not.
Oh, don't tell us that we're stuck with you!! ;-) Honestly, this list
would be so much less colorful without you. If you ever try to leave
(again) ..... well .... you don't want to know ....
so, while i am here, at
>this moment, i want to take the opportunity to wish all of you a very merry
>christmas. wherever you are, whatever you believe, i hope this season has
>some joy and meaning for you all.
>
I'm joining Ric in wishing all fellow listers a wonderful holiday season
and a New Year full of joy, prosperity and good health.
Heather (getting my skates on and finding that river)
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:19:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Thomas Ross
Subject: bonbon mots
("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._
`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`).
(_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-'
_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,'
(il).-'' (li).' ((!.-' Ne pas relever les inexactitudes
qu'on imprime sur note compte. Elles nous protege.
My French is bad. "note" should be notre, right? On the other hand who
doesn't want to print notes that count? [I guess that's gonna be harder
with the new $20s. . .they have microprinting and all.]
'She's an artist, she don't look back."
Claes Oldenberg? "The past doesn't influence me, I influence it."
Picasso: "We all know art is a lie - - one that shows us the truth."
I love "Run faster than beauty" - - which I may append to
Run slowly, dolphin of the night
in a current song appending 2 dreams whereby Dizzy Gillespie teaches me a
bassline in a boat and I'm singing it better and better until we capsize;
whereupon a fin approaching me turns out to be a dolphin that saves me and
takes me for a wild ride on its back.
*
This Artist notion, of course, is a Victorian holdover that has its roots
not much earlier than Beethoven. The anonymous stonecarver on a Byzantine
church (and for that matter most artisans worldwide) make great art in
most of the currently Romanticized senses.
tr
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:22:47 CST
From: "Ryan Lantrip"
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #517
> I bristled with anger when I read Joni Mitchell's comment that
>"{sampling is} the art of the channel changers, where its intent is >as
chopped up as the minds that perhaps it appeals to" (Interview, >Dec
'98).....
> It goes on to defend rap and then notes that the interviewer
>compliments Joni's use of sampling.
ok, i'm confused by what your saying....joni said sampling=bad(right?)
then the interview compliments her on her use of sampling, sorta like
what she did in Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody(right?)
so does joni not like sampling but does it anyway? i know she likes
hip-hop, it says so in a recent interview with "Request" magazine.
so what's she saying?
confused :\
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:46:12 -0500
From: Jerry Notaro
Subject: Re: Joni singing with Seal?
Jennifer McCall wrote:
>
> I saw a clip of a video of Seal's with Joni in it. Is this true that she
> sang with him? Does anyone know what song (and/or album) this is
> on!?!?!?!?!?!??!?
>
It is called If I Could.
Jerry
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:51:23 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJCSIQUOMBDJRDIMHOCMIARSBTWTIDEDROTFLSJCLOL(VLJC)
Ignatz Mouse!
> DED -- Dead Elf Disposals (Joni penned this song after reading an
> expose on Santa's Sweatshop; sequel to "Magdalene Laundries")
Love it! Love them all!!!
Finally, I know what's really going on around here ...
Lori
San Antonio
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:10:32 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: (NJC) i wish i had a river, i could skate away on...
Ric wrote:
> this is a very sad day for
> america (unless you are one of those born again folks from the ultra right
> wing...you know, the one's who believe god put gay people on the earth to
> teach straight people the meaning of tolerance?
I agree about this being a sad day for America. I am upset and angry, and I
hope each of us who can vote in the U.S. remembers this time and -- come
voting time -- has the presence of mind and the good conscience to vote out of
office any yahoo (no offense intended to the search engine company) who
approved this ridiculous impeachment.
However, lest anyone think differently, let me set the record straight (as it
were) on the last part Ric's comment above:
I was the person who first suggested that gay people might have been put upon
this earth to teach tolerance. I'm certainly NOT "born again" or ultra right
wing. I am a lesbian who has been practicing my lifestyle for almost 20
years, and I am proud of who I am. And I stand by my original statement.
Lori
San Antonio
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:03:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Gross
Subject: My Top 5
I hope I'm not *too* late with my list.
Things have been a little craxy here lately (what else is new) ;-)
In no particular order:
JM - For The Roses/Court and Spark (this *was* supposed to be a double album,
wasn't it??)
Stan Rogers - Between The Breaks...Live
Beethoven - Symphony No. 9
Loreena McKennitt - The Mask and Mirror
Nancy Griffith - Other Voices, Other Rooms
Wishing everyone Happy Holidays
Brian
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No folks above
No one else can hear the crazy cries of love"
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:23:30 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Joni on sampling (was JMDL Digest V3 #517)
Ryan wrote:
> so does joni not like sampling but does it anyway? i know she likes
> hip-hop, it says so in a recent interview with "Request" magazine.
>
> so what's she saying?
Maybe Joni just doesn't like BAD sampling.
Lori
San Antonio
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:31:11 +0000
From: Jason Maloney
Subject: Re: NJCSIQUOMBDJRDIMHOCMIARSBTWTIDEDROTFLSJCLOL(VLJC)
Yes, this is the funniest, wittiest thing I have seen on here since
Kakki's "Joni On Probation"!!!!!
The "explanation" of CMIARS was my fave, I think ;-)
Jason.
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:51:53 +0000
From: Jason Maloney
Subject: Re: NJCSIQUOMBDJRDIMHOCMIARSBTWTIDEDROTFLSJCLOL(VLJC)
Hope you don't mind, Robert, but I've just thought of another one...
TTT - Tut tut tut?????
Jason.
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:38:05 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJCSIQUOMBDJRDIMHOCMIARSBTWTIDEDROTFLSJCLOL(VLJC)
Jason wrote:
> TTT - Tut tut tut?????
Or -- in keeping with the tone of things lately -- "Tsk Tsk Tsk"
Lori
San Antonio
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:39:39 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: It's gotta stop sometime :~D
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:04:00 -0800
From: Susan Chaloner
"...I download my email and what do I see
A whole lotta jimdlers cryin' "Don't blame me"
They point their hungry little mice at everybody else
Spend all their time consuming wiring in stealth
Too many holes? Too little cheese?
Too much bickering? Too little JC?
G.et over it
G.et over it
All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit
G.et over it, G.et over it!.."Don Henley/Glen Frey slightly altered
Or I'll g.et you f*ckin' over it };~D
Susan L.A.
Honey McBabe-Follow me, I'm right behind you ;~)
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:08:35 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Re: Simply feeling my way around (NJC)
Talking about nit-picking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I used to think it meant 'lots of love' and I thought - how nice!!!!!!!
>>> 12/19 10:43 am >>>
In a message dated 12/18/98 2:24:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dgrowe@hotmail.com writes:
<< LOL -- Lots of Laughs >>
Not to nitpick, but I've always been told this one means: Laughing Out Loud.
Paul I
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:24:40 -0600
From: Diana Duncan
Subject: NJC Apology/My Country
To P. Henry and list:
Ok so maybe I jumped the gun. It's just that after being on the list for
years and to have someone pop up and say I knew Joni when... So apologies
P. for not giving you a chance to substantiate your claim.
I get a little free time and the first thing I do is start controversy. :-)
I agree with Lori about the sad fighting going on in Congress. I feel like
I did back in the 60's when NON of the politicians seemed to have any clue
on reality. How has it gotten to the state where one religion can mandate
what laws we will be judged by? Clinton did wrong, but I can't throw the
first stone cause if I was in his place I would have LIED too. That
Livingston would think that his affairs would prevent him from working is
ludicrous. Will we have others resigning because they stole a pack of gum
from the grocery store when they were 8-years-old.
That we have 2 political parties that *can't* work together is scary! Where
is it headed?
Diana
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:34:29 -0600
From: Diana Duncan
Subject: NJC Squirrels
Yes, this really is about tree-rats as I call them.
Does anyone know how to stop them from chewing Xmas lights. I have had two
strings ruined already. If I wasn't in the city limits I'd let my hunting
friends at them with their guns.
Help!!
Diana
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:05:18 -0800 (PST)
From: "bern.gallagher"
Subject: Re: NJC Alanis
- ----------
> Someone might find this amusing:
> http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-alanislyrics.html
Hey Catman!! I loved it. Here's what I came up with:
"I Think"
I Think crappy songs are really a huge problem
I Think bad sex scenes are too much on my mind
I Think high school reunions have got a lot to do with why the world sucks
But what can you do?
Like a fuschia rain, beating down on me
Like a Sylvia Plath line, which won't let go of my brain
Like Darth Vader's ass, it is in my head
Blame it on Alanis
Blame it on Alanis
Blame it on Alanis
I Think next door naighbors are gonna drive us all crazy
And smelly underwear make me feel like a child
I Think used tampons will eventually be the downfall of civilization
But what can you do? I said what can you do?
Like a fuschia rain, beating down on me
Like a Sylvia Plath line, which won't let go of my brain
Like Darth Vader's ass, it is in my head
Blame it on Alanis
Blame it on Alanis
Blame it on Alanis
Like a fuschia rain, beating down on me
Like Darth Vader's smile, cruel and cold
Like Sylvia Plath's ass, it is in my head
Blame it on Alanis
Blame it on Alanis
Blame it on Alanis
>
> --
>
> CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST
> http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html
> TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS
> http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk
>
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:12:09 +1100 (EST)
From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)
Subject: My 2 cents worth
Hi All
> Maybe the other Americans on the list are sick to death of it all,
> but I would be very interested to hear other non-US views of the
> impeachment issue. Do you all think we're complete morons?
So Clinton lied to everyone!!!! So what! Show me a politician that
doesn't.
So Clinton had some kind of sexual relationship with someone other
than his wife.His wife has forgiven him,end of story.
Merry xmas from hot and humid Australia
Michael
michaelb@coolgold.com.au
http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html
Either we are alone in the universe
...........Or we're not............
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:44:23 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC Squirrels
Diana wrote:
> Yes, this really is about tree-rats as I call them.
> Does anyone know how to stop them from chewing Xmas lights.
Have you tried feeding them something they would like better, like the hard
corn you can buy for squirrels? Might work. Might not.
Lori
San Antonio
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:03:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Gross
Subject: Re: NJC Squirrels
- ---Diana Duncan wrote:
> Yes, this really is about tree-rats as I call them.
> Does anyone know how to stop them from chewing Xmas lights. I have had two
> strings ruined already. If I wasn't in the city limits I'd let my hunting
> friends at them with their guns.
> Help!!
With apologies to the animal rightists on the list (sorry, Bill D), have you
considered changing the bulbs in the Xmas lights to the 220 volt variety,
plugging them into the appropriate circuit, and letting the squirrels chew
away??
Brian
===
"No paper thin walls
No folks above
No one else can hear the crazy cries of love"
yeah, right
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:58:08 -0300
From: "Wally Kairuz"
Subject: RE: Simply feeling my way around (NJC)
about P. henry's posts -- every word of which for some strange reason I
believe -- does the frequent *S* stand for shit?
WallyK
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:18:17 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: P.Henery
From: "Gene Mock"
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:16:42 -0800
I'm with Wally, I would like to hear more from him. Does it really
matter if he's telling the truth or not. All of us have become so
intimate with JM's mind what's real and not real. Happy Holidays you
all, it's great to find kindred spirits. All of us so different and yet
so much alike. Take Care Gene
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:34:23 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Music Blvd $10 coupon-exp 12/31/98 NJC (unless you order some)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:12:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Gross
Here's a reminder! If you haven't taken advantage of our
last offer, please hurry! We're giving you $10 off on your
next Music Boulevard purchase. This special offer expires
on December 31, 1998 at 11:59 PM EST.
http://p0.com/r.d?0iWGxy1dE=musicblvd/cgi-bin/tw/5084_0_main.txt
I just love these money-off deals!!
They are even offering gift wrapping and Fedex delivery by Xmas for those
procrastinators among us!
Brian
np: Wish *You* Were Here
===
"No paper thin walls
No folks above
No one else can hear the crazy cries of love"
yeah, right
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:14:05 EST
From: Marilune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re : harsh words (NJC)
In a message dated 12/20/98 3:38:32 PM, jason.maloney@virgin.net wrote:
>For chrissakes, stop being a jerk! ENOUGH! You accuse this person in
>public, then tell him (in public again) to take it off-list! Isn't there
>too much hypocrisy in the world as it is?
in the terms of endearment...it's christmas time. please? : )
- -mariana
NP: Sarah McLachlan "New Tour and More" boot
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:29:49 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: Re : harsh words (NJC)
>in the terms of endearment...it's christmas time. please? : )
>
>-mariana
Bah, Humbug!
Love,
Marsha
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:57:11 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: Simply feeling my way around (NJC)
Wally K asked:
> about P. henry's posts -- every word of which for some strange reason I
> believe -- does the frequent *S* stand for shit?
I was thrown by *BS* earlier, but I think *S* means . Therefore, *BS*
would mean big smile. Pat, am I correct?
Lori, enjoying Pat's posts in
San Antonio
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 00:59:50 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re : harsh words (NJC)
Hey Marsha!
> Bah, Humbug!
My sentiments, too! o<| : )
Lori,
who is planning to see "You've Got Mail" on Christmas Day and otherwise ignore
the entire thing, since we have no snow in
San Antonio
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:16:39 +1100 (EST)
From: Mark-Leon Thorne
Subject: Re: Will The Real Joni Mitchell Please Stand Up?
>
>To: "M & C Urbanski"
>From: Mark-Leon Thorne
>Subject: Re: Will The Real Joni Mitchell Please Stand Up?
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>Hey Marilyn.
>
>The World of Joni Mitchell came out in the late '70s and was a greatest
>hits collection. Nothing that you probably don't already have, I'm afraid.
>It was a collection of all her hits until then with a lot of Song To The
>Seagull on it. It had a green cover with a lovely photograph of Joni,
>windswept on it. I don't have the album now because I have all her other
>albums and there was nothing new on it.
>
>Mark
>Canberra
>
>
******************
Mark-Leon Thorne
Vail Apartments
9/60 Henty street
Braddon A.C.T.
Australia 2612
Tel: +61 2 6230 1181
******************
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:40:04 +1100 (EST)
From: Mark-Leon Thorne
Subject: Re: (NJC) Hypocritical irresponsible Republicans
Am I missing something? Isn't the reason that the USA and the UK bombed
Iraq because they didn't follow United Nations' agreements? When did all
the member nations agree to this bombing??? Surely this bombing was in the
self interest of two nations. I am ashamed that my country didn't have the
balls to speak out against this attrocity. All this talk about Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction; what about the USA and the UK's weapons of
mass destruction??? Nobody questions them? Iraq was wrong to invade Kuwait
but, this sort of thing goes on all the time all over the world. Why was
this of such interest to the USA? The cynical view would be the price of
oil. How can one country get away with firing misiles into the middle of a
country when they have never done the same back? How can one country fire a
misile into another country to kill just one person (ie, Afghanistan,
Sudan)? Whose country will be next? Why is it that one country (Iraq) can
go against United Nations resolutions and it's bad but, another (USA, UK)
does and it's fighting for what is right. I don't recall any other country
agreeing to this action. What is the use of an organisation like the United
Nations if everyone does as they please? Of course it was sanctioned by
most western countries because you don't say no to a bully. You're liable
to be next. These are nothing more than muscle tactics. I would have given
Britain more credit. It's too easy for the majority of people to see all
this in black and white terms of the good guys versus the bad guys.
Distinct foreign cultures are always the easiest ones to put into the bad
guy category. I am glad that Australia didn't go so far as to send troups
again this time but, our Prime Minister's endorsement on behalf of the
Australian people made me boiling mad. I wonder just how many Australians
would agree. And the rest of the world? Iraqi people in Australia watched
their homeland destroyed on CNN, for what? Because they wouldn't let the UN
take a look at their weapons? I am much more afraid of the American loose
canons. They are the ones who are bombing small nations seemingly
indiscriminately. God help those who America doesn't like. That could be
someone different at any moment. Great Britain: Beware! That could be you
in the blink of an eye.
Mark
Canberra
*************************************************************************
"Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni
Mitchell.
*************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:56:59 +1100 (EST)
From: Mark-Leon Thorne
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #517
...and bastardise and Australian icon?!?!
Mark
(Enjoying his pavlova)
*************************************************************************
"Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni
Mitchell.
*************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:04:42 +1100 (EST)
From: Mark-Leon Thorne
Subject: Re: Joni singing with Seal?
Hey Jenny,
Joni Mitchell sang a duet on Seal's last album Seal II called, If I Could.
In return, Seal sang backing for Joni on her album, Turbulent Indigo. They
were both released about the same time. I had a wonderful feature from
Interview magazine at that time that was a telephone conversation between
them about this reciprocal arrangement. Seal has said that JM has always
been his biggest inspiration. Listen to his lyrics and you'll hear the
result.
Mark
Canberra.
*************************************************************************
"Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni
Mitchell.
*************************************************************************
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