From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #515 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 03 : Number 515 The Song and Album Voting Booths are open again! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re[2]: Bye Bye [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Joni & James Taylor MP3, 1970 [scott@scott-adams.com (Scott Adams)] Re: Joni & James Taylor MP3, 1970 ["Kakki" ] Joni & co/Car Wheels [paul.graham@sunderland.ac.uk (GRAHAM Paul)] Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham ["Kakki" ] Re: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans ["Janis" ] Re[2]: that Joni trouble (totally NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Tom & Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Re: James Taylor, ( there could have been, but NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] RE: 'Twas the week before Christmas (Parody w/JC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: that Joni trouble (totally NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] New old Joni song! ["Mark T. Klempner" ] Re: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans [jan gyn ] TTT and some [Bounced Message ] Re: New old Joni song! [Brian Gross ] Lucinda Williams (NJC) [Kai Wong ] Rufus Wainwright (NJC) [Kai Wong ] Re: New Old Joni Song (now for footware enthusiasts) [Guy Brown ] Re: Re[2]: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans ["M & C Urbanski" ] For The Roses songbook [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham [FredNow@aol.com] Re: For The Roses songbook [Marilune@aol.com] [none] [Mark-Leon Thorne ] '91 Interview [t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne)] Song to a Seagull?? [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Will The Real Joni Mitchell Please Stand Up? [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham [Susan Chaloner > Yeah, bye, bye Mr. Bates - don't let the door hitcha on the way out... > > Bob M. in SC >> > We better be careful ..... his last name IS Bates, you know ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:33:47 -0500 From: scott@scott-adams.com (Scott Adams) Subject: Joni & James Taylor MP3, 1970 I thought you all might be interested in the audio file I have up on my site. It is from the October 29, 1970, BBC concert by Joni and James Taylor. I have uploaded the magnificent version of James' "You Can Close Your Eyes" with Joni singing lead and James harmonizing. A magical concert indeed! I will try to post their duet of "The CIrcle Game" as well very soon! http://www.scott-adams.com/taylor.htm Thanks! If you have a sec, let me know what you think of the site. - -- Scott Adams _____________________________________________________ "Beware the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, then finds himself no wiser than before." -- Kurt Vonnegut _____________________________________________________ http://www.scott-adams.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:27:13 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni & James Taylor MP3, 1970 Scott A. wrote: >I thought you all might be interested in the audio file I have up on my >site. It is from the October 29, 1970, BBC concert by Joni and James >Taylor. I have uploaded the magnificent version of James' "You Can Close >Your Eyes" with Joni singing lead and James harmonizing. >http://www.scott-adams.com/taylor.htm VERY nice work, Scott. You love all our fave artists, too! The sound on Joni and James was incredible. Thanks for the introduction to another great site. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:16:46 GMT From: paul.graham@sunderland.ac.uk (GRAHAM Paul) Subject: Joni & co/Car Wheels Watched a recording of the UK Arena Joni and Co. last night... OH wow! It was fantastic to see her both as she is, and in those freaky early 70's days. It was heaven, I relished every minute of it, my wife was sitting writing Christmas cards and said " I don't know why you like her, her voice is terrible" ARGHH! Then we saw Joan Baez, Judy Collins, Carol King, Janis Ian, Suzanne Vega, Ricki Lee and again my wife said " they are a funny looking bunch!", to which I responded " well I don't listen with my eyes!" I am not critising my wife of course, she is a wonderful caring human being, well only a small critism then, she loves Sting! So anyway, I went to Our Price records to buy the latest George Michael (for my wife of course) and I asked about Car Wheels, the guy brought the only CD he had which was a late 80's 18 track CD, so it has obviously not reached us here yet, can't wait, I'm sure it will be splendiferous! So is this 18 track late 80's CD by Lucinda Williams any good? Happy Christmas to one and all, I hope we have a peaceful one, it's quite amazing that sex in the White House can lead to bombing of innocent women and children..... Paul Don't try to get yourself elected ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 02:21:53 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham Mark-Leon wrote: >On the other hand, I have been a fan of Mark Isham ever since I discovered the Windham Hill label >and bought the soundtrack to Mrs Soffel. His haunting penny whistle and synth sounds weave >images of the snow covered forests of New England and southern Ontario. >When I bought that album, I went out and bought a penny whistle (costing a >little more than a penny these days) but, never learned how to play. It's >amazing that such a simple instrument can have such a soothing and >beautiful sound. Then I realised that he plays sax too. Mark Isham went off >on the PPV special. What a talent! Yes, and I'd never realized how much he contributed to some of my favorite artists' albums until a listmember (Hi Ken!) enlightened me about Isham's renowned reputation. Isham's long list of credits in music and film is amazing going all the way back to the early 70s. You might be interested in his web site http://www.isham.com/ I also learned from the site that he will be appearing at The New Baked Potato on Sunset in Hollywood on Januaary 15th and 16th, at the Steppenwolf Theatre in Chicago on January 25th and back in L.A. at The Viper Room on February 27th. I hope to catch him this time around. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 05:06:50 -0600 From: "Janis" Subject: Re: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans Hey Colin, I keep replying to your posts, as I I feel a connection to them. While in San Fransisco, a while back, I saw this awesome t-shirt. It said: "Jesus save me from your followers"! That says is it ALL for me. So many times, so-called "Christians" are the first to knock someone for being different. A true double-edged sword. I am Catholic and did not realize, as a child, just how many gays I was around..... our priests! hehe A guy I was dating came out to me and since then, seems the action has been non-stop. :-))) I happen to have many gay friends and I fear for them often, as in the situation you have with your neighbors. To me people are people, but so many people are just ignorant. Now, ignorance I despise. I pray the new year brings people to a new level of understanding, if not, hatred is going to devour us whole, as if it hasn't already. Cheers, Janis - -----Original Message----- From: catman To: LRFye@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 6:10 PM Subject: Re: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans >Maybe one day it will be illegal to incite hatred against us the way it is to >people of different races. However, as the religions are the main culprits of >this, i don't see much chance of that happening. they fuel peoples fears and >bigotires and give them the backing to be as they are. after all to hate gays is >doing God's workk in some people's minds. >However, the one thing they cannot touch is our soul's and the righteousness on >our side. no matter what, they cannot take our humanity away. they can kill us, >make life very difficult, but they will not destroy us. we will always live. >always be around. we can't be eradicated . > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:44:44 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Bye Bye In a message dated 12/17/98 3:08:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << Yeah now that you mention it Heather, his name isn't the "Norm", is it?? ;~D>> And you know, he did sound rather young and inexperienced, so maybe instead of Mister Bates we should have called him Master. Paul I ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Bye Bye Author: luvart@snet.net at fdinet Date: 12/16/98 9:29 AM At 10:32 PM 12/15/98 -0500, you wrote: > > Yeah, bye, bye Mr. Bates - don't let the door hitcha on the way out... > > Bob M. in SC >> > We better be careful ..... his last name IS Bates, you know ;-) >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:14:00 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni & co/Car Wheels (NJC now) I don't want to get into this discussion, but the problem with Iraq was around even before Monica became front page stuff. I'm behind Clinton all the way! Cheers, Mark > Happy Christmas to one and all, I hope we have a peaceful one, it's quite > amazing that sex in the White House can lead to bombing of innocent women > and children..... ___________________________________ * | Mark Domyancich | * *** | Harpua@revealed.net | *** ***** | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | ***** ******* | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | ******* | |_________________________________| | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:20:32 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: that Joni trouble (totally NJC) Lori wrote: the fact that she delighted in watching Ricki, Jenny, Maury, and Jerry EVERY SINGLE DAY and well into the wee hours of the morning (keeping me awake!) was a major bone of contention with us! Lori, whose t.v. broke two weeks ago and may never be replaced Lori, Amen to that! I watch NYPD Blue, The Simpsons and that's it! It's amazing how much free time you get when you give up TV. I find it humorous that people who always complain about not having enough time watch 2-3 hours of TV a day! And it's not like there's loads of great stuff to watch anyway. I hate when I see a child camped in front of the tube, eyes wide open and jaw slack - I can almost hear their brain being anesthetized... Bob M. in SC NP: Smiths "That Joke Isn't funny anymore" (But thinking about '57 Channels and Nothin' on' by Springsteen) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:39:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Tom & Joni Scott and Jody wrote: > B I like the idea of closing with a duet on "I Never Talk to > Strangers". Great idea. Bette Midler recorded this with Tom on her Broken Blossoms cd in 1977. Jerry np: Joemy Wilson - Gifts ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:49:01 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: James Taylor, ( there could have been, but NJC) Mary Grace Valentinsson wrote: > I noticed from the 12/05 issue of Billboard that James Taylor is receiving > their Century Aware, the one that Joni was awarded back in 1995, (they > picked George Harrison, Buddy Guy and Billy Joel over her first?!?!). > > A quick glance through the article reveals NJC. Since it goes through his > musical career, for some reason I was sure there would be SOME > mention of JM, but alas.... Mary Grace, His appearance on the show was wonderful. Introduced by big time Joni and James fan Shawn Colvin. Jerry np: Odetta - Christmas Spirituals ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:26:59 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: Re: rock hall Good Goddess! don't even get me started on the R&R Hall of Lame. If I were Joni I'd use the thing as a doorstop. I've been irate about the place ever since they announced that of all the cities that were up to house it they picked Cleveland. No offense to the city or the "Cleves" but of all the nominies I think the only one with less credentials(historically speaking) for houseing the place was Las Vegas. The obvious choce for the home of a R&R Hall of Fame was and still is Memphis, TN. Until they move it there I, for one, have no intention of ever visiting or supporting it. I'm almost glad to hear that it's lame. I'm certainly not surprised. It sounds like exactly what I've always thought it was. Just another way for the music "business" and corporate investors like um, I don't know, maybe...JANN WENNER?!?! to syphon yet more money from the labors of other people(the actual musicians, composers, etc). I don't think Joni showed any disrespect to the award at all. In order to show *dis*respect for something it has to be deserving of it in the first place. John~ NP "Lover Lay Down" Dave Matthews Band" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:24:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: 'Twas the week before Christmas (Parody w/JC) You're a sweet guy Don, modified goatee or not. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:35:14 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Grusin's Gershwin (NJC) Wow! If you liked Hancock's "Gershwin's World", you've gotta try Dave Grusin's "The Gershwin Collection" -- a real tour de force with, amongst others, Chick Corea, Dave Weckl, John Patatucci, Lee Rittenour. Sorry, no Joni this time around, but as interpretations, I think these surpass Hancock's efforts. Real two-olive martini stuff! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:39:39 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: that Joni trouble (totally NJC) Bob wrote: > It's amazing how much free time you get when you give up TV. I've always known that I used valuable free time watching t.v., and I'm glad to be recovering some of it with the demise of my Zenith ... not to mention that I'm slowly but surely losing some weight due to not being plopped on the sofa munching out while I zone out. > I find it > humorous that people who always complain about not having enough time > watch 2-3 hours of TV a day! Often that "necessary" watching is disguised as catching up on the world through the endless drone of CNN Headline News. Since I don't have a t.v. and I do want to know what's going on in the Middle East, I've had the radio (AM, for the first time in years) turned on since last night. The somewhat unfortunate side effect is that the two stations that carrying continuous coverage of the news are "talk show" format, which means I've also had to listen to the blather about whether or not this is Wag The Dog in real life ... but it's interesting to hear how the other half thinks even if I think that most of them need a brain transplant. > And it's not like there's loads of great > stuff to watch anyway. I hate when I see a child camped in front of > the tube, eyes wide open and jaw slack - I can almost hear their brain > being anesthetized... Very true. When I think about all the time I wasted as a kid, watching endless t.v. when I could have been learning something else wonderful and far more useful, it kind of makes me sick. Rosie O'Donnell is the only person who seems to have done anything good or amusing with her knowledge of every single theme song! We as a society in general are very guilty of zoning our kids out ... first on t.v. and then on Ritalin (and now please excuse me while I don my flame-proof suit). I'll admit right here and now that I'm a huge fan of Homicide, Law & Order, NYPD Blue, and ER (think there's a trend here?), but I'm living just fine without seeing them. Books are becoming really attractive again! Rambling when I should be on my way to work, Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:11:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark T. Klempner" Subject: New old Joni song! Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:51:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark T. Klempner" To: joni@smoe.com Subject: new old joni song! I'm sick in bed so it's giving me some time to post something I've wanted to post for a while. Back in the 80s a friend of mine at that time named John Bucchino--a great songwriter who has played piano for Holly Near for years and years--lent me a tape of Joni playing in a coffeehouse in, I think, 1966. It was a very cool tape. One interesting thing is that she says something like "Here's a song I wrote two days ago" and then plays "Both Sides Now"! After the break, during her second set, she plays it again, saying something about how she's excited about it and can't stop playing it! Another interesting thing is that she played a few songs on the tape that she's never recorded. There's one that I really loved, and so I learned it. Believe it or not, I returned the tape to John without copying it. I've always had a kind of Zen attitude towards possessions: I just enjoyed it in the moment and didn't try to hold on to it. Stupid perhaps. Also, I think he was over my place and he asked about getting it back and I wanted to give it to him back before I forgot again, or lost it or something. So I returned it right there and then, and had never gotten around to taping it. Anyway, if I ever meet any of you I'll sing you the song as I learned it from the tape. In the meantime, here's the lyrics: "Just Like Me" Chorus: Just like me He's settling a score with a world that wants a reason every time you turn around Just like me He's lookin' for a door Standing open, saying "Welcome, come and lay your troubles down" Just like me * He'll drop his defenses, you'll see through the walls to the heart of the man But as soon as he senses you've seen him he'll leave you, as fast as he can He'll go back to his shadows Where no one can look in and see And he'll wake in the night and cry like a child Just like me. * Repeat chorus * I've seen him look hungry for someone to tell him, "You're doin' just fine." And the songs that he sung me have lonliness moving between every line With no ties to bind him I guess he can call himself free Yes, he's free to be empty and lonely and lost Just like me Repeat chorus It's a very warm, tender hearted song, despite the somberness of some of the lyrics. The guitar chords are very warm, and at the end she goes into her falsetto. It's got those same kind of chords that you find in "Circle Game," those trademark early-Joni, special-tuning guitar chords. So that's it. Mark in Chapel Hill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:34:33 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans I saw some guy with that shirt some months ago, also in SF! It was at the SFMOMA. Sums it up for me also. "I've nothing against church; just the people that go there." -D. Vanian of The Damned - -jan At 05:06 AM 12/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey Colin, >I keep replying to your posts, as I I feel a connection to them. While in >San Fransisco, a while back, I saw this awesome t-shirt. It said: >"Jesus save me from your followers"! That says is it ALL for me. So many >Cheers, >Janis > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:04:08 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans So let me get this straight...you're passing judgement on a group of people based on the extreme behavior of a minority of that group...sounds kind of ironic to me, blatantly exhibiting the behavior you abhor... Bob M. in SC, who goes to church, follows Jesus, realizes that means loving all people, also realizes the church and the world contain a lot of people who don't think that way, and also realizes he shouldn't have sent this post... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans Author: jan gyn at fdinet Date: 12/17/98 9:34 AM I saw some guy with that shirt some months ago, also in SF! It was at the SFMOMA. Sums it up for me also. "I've nothing against church; just the people that go there." -D. Vanian of The Damned - -jan At 05:06 AM 12/17/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hey Colin, >I keep replying to your posts, as I I feel a connection to them. While in >San Fransisco, a while back, I saw this awesome t-shirt. It said: >"Jesus save me from your followers"! That says is it ALL for me. So many >Cheers, >Janis > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:16:15 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & co/Car Wheels In a message dated 12/17/98 5:20:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, paul.graham@sunderland.ac.uk writes: << I am not critising my wife of course, she is a wonderful caring human being, well only a small critism then, she loves Sting! >> Hey there! I love Sting too! Damn, I would have put Ten Summoners Tales on my list of top 5 favorites, too. Didn't Joni refer to him as the bastard son of hers and JT's? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:17:26 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #514 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:24:41 -0700 From: "P. Henry" well, the first time I posted to this list it showed up... then I posted two more times and I guess they got lost somewhere... was looking forward to sharing some of my Joni experiences in the 60's with you all but it looks like that can't happen for some reason... too bad... I'm not a computer expert,,, just a music lover. if this post goes through I want to wish you all the best and hope you have a great holiday. *S* s'long... sorry it couldn't have been... pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:31:41 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: TTT and some From: "dianne schofield" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:08:59 -0000 well here i am bouncing a message from Blackburn 260 miles north of home. Lovely people that speak funny! Lovely country-cold and wet. Up here collecting my 4oth birthday present-another Lhasa Apso bitch named Sky. Anyhow, on the way up I have been lisitening to TTT-twice actually and believe it or not it has really grown on me. Still not up to her others, I think, but i do like it's mood. Have gone off Harlem and Lead but the others I really like especially MFM and No Apolgies. Back to shitty London later tonight or maybe tomorrow. % hrs up and if I go tonight only 31/2 back. yes we can drive at 70 ph here but I usually do 80-90, especially late at night. Never ever been done yet! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: New old Joni song! - ---"Mark T. Klempner" wrote: > Back in the 80s a friend of mine at that time named > John Bucchino--a great songwriter who has played piano for Holly Near for > years and years--lent me a tape of Joni playing in a coffeehouse in, I > think, 1966. It was a very cool tape. One interesting thing is that she > says something like "Here's a song I wrote two days ago" and then plays > "Both Sides Now"! After the break, during her second set, she plays it > again, saying something about how she's excited about it and can't stop > playing it! > > Another interesting thing is that she played a few songs on the tape that > she's never recorded. There's one that I really loved, and so I learned > it. Believe it or not, I returned the tape to John without copying it. > I've always had a kind of Zen attitude towards possessions: I just enjoyed > it in the moment and didn't try to hold on to it. Stupid perhaps. Also, > I think he was over my place and he asked about getting it back and I > wanted to give it to him back before I forgot again, or lost it or > something. So I returned it right there and then, and had never gotten > around to taping it. > > Anyway, if I ever meet any of you I'll sing you the song as I learned > it from the tape. In the meantime, here's the lyrics: > > "Just Like Me" > > It's a very warm, tender hearted song, despite the somberness of some of > the lyrics. The guitar chords are very warm, and at the end she goes into > her falsetto. It's got those same kind of chords that you find in "Circle > Game," those trademark early-Joni, special-tuning guitar chords. Actually Mark, the tape that you refer to is Cassette #1 on Tape Tree #3. The coffeehouse in question was the Second Fret, on Rittenhouse Square in my hometown of Philadelphia. It's amazing to realize that these tapes date back to March 1967, a time when many jmdlers were just twinkles in their parents' eyes. (I was 13 at the time and not old enough yet to go to the Fret) Brian np: NPR (with the Wag The Dog screenplay come to life) === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 98 17:15:18 EST From: Kai Wong Subject: Lucinda Williams (NJC) Finally got the reissued self-titled Lucinda Williams CD on Rough Trade with six bonus live tracks. Wonder why I waited so long. I LOVE IT, every bit as good as Car Wheels. Would anyone recommend the two old Lucinda Williams albums released by Folkways in the late seventies and early eighties? Kai np: I Asked for Water (He Gave me Gasoline) - Lucinda Williams Kai ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 98 17:18:59 EST From: Kai Wong Subject: Rufus Wainwright (NJC) I have been hearing a lot about Rufus Wainwright recently in the press. Has anyone heard his latest CD on Dreamworks and would you recommend it? I understand he is related to the McGarrigle (sp?) sisters. Kai STOP THIS MADNESS ON CAPITOL HILL Kai ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:56:57 -0800 From: Guy Brown Subject: Re: New Old Joni Song (now for footware enthusiasts) Brian Gross wrote: Actually Mark, the tape that you refer to is Cassette #1 on Tape Tree #3. The coffeehouse in question was the Second Fret, on Rittenhouse Square in my hometown of Philadelphia. It's amazing to realize that these tapes date back to March 1967, a time when many jmdlers were just twinkles in their parents' eyes. Guy: In the new issue of Ice, Jan 99, arrived in the mail today, in the Going Underground section it says: "Wild Wolf presents a collection of pristine JM live recordings circa 1966-98 on 'Second Fret Sets'. The double disc catches Joni in full folk troubadour mode through coffee house and radio recordings, among them early renditions of 'Eastern Rain' and 'Night in the City'." This might just be one to look out for, wonder how much of a duplication there is? GUY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:02:14 -0800 From: Guy Brown Subject: RE: Rufus Wainwright (NJC) I do recommend this. It's a curious mixture of 1920's meets 1990's. Very original and, for a couple of weeks mid summer, was my favorite record. He's Kate McGarrigle's and Loudon Wainwright's son - a tremendous heritage. With the singular exception of Jeff Buckley, this is the best of the 2nd Generation rockers. GUY NP Loudon's BBC Session CD, just arrived from the UK - -----Original Message----- From: Kai Wong [SMTP:kwong@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:19 PM To: jmdl Subject: Rufus Wainwright (NJC) I have been hearing a lot about Rufus Wainwright recently in the press. Has anyone heard his latest CD on Dreamworks and would you recommend it? I understand he is related to the McGarrigle (sp?) sisters. Kai STOP THIS MADNESS ON CAPITOL HILL Kai ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:14:03 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Re[2]: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans - ---------- > From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com > To: Janis ; joni@smoe.org; jan gyn > Subject: Re[2]: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans > Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 1:04 PM > > So let me get this straight...you're passing judgement on a group of > people based on the extreme behavior of a minority of that > group...sounds kind of ironic to me, blatantly exhibiting the behavior > you abhor... > > I saw some guy with that shirt some months ago, also in SF! It was at the > SFMOMA. Sums it up for me also. > "I've nothing against church; just the people that go there." -D. Vanian of > The Damned > -jan You know Bob, I was thinking the exact same thing. You beat me to the post. Hate breeds hate. It's a flippin' shame. Do I look at OJ Simpson and "hate" all blacks? Do I look at Arab terrorists & "hate" all Arabs? Do I look at my x-husband and "hate" all alcoholics and men? Do I look at Dr. Laura & "hate" all Jewish shrinks? The list goes on & on. Life is too short & hate is too heavy to carry around. I'm too busy taking the plank out of my own eye. Although I speak in tongues of men & angels I'm just sounding brass And tinkling cymbals without love- Love suffers long- Love is kind!- Enduring all things- Hoping all things- Love has no evil in mind If I had the gift of prophecy- And all knowledge- And the faith to move the mountains Even if I understood all the mysteries- If I didn't have love I'd be nothing Love-never looks for love- Love's not puffed up- Or envious- Or touchy- Because it rejoices in the truth- Not in iniquity Love sees like a child sees As a child I spoke as a child- I thought and understood as a child- But when I became a woman- I put away childish things And began to see through a glass darkly Where, as a child, I saw it face to face Now, I only know in part Fractions in me Of faith and hope and love And of these great three Love's the greatest beauty Joni & Paul(Saul) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:38:58 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: For The Roses songbook Hey gang! If anyone knows where I can find a copy (bad or good) of the FTR songbook, please let me know! I've checked E-bay and the newsgroups and haven't found one. Thanks! Mark ___________________________________ * | Mark Domyancich | * *** | Harpua@revealed.net | *** ***** | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | ***** ******* | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | ******* | |_________________________________| | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:45:28 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne) wrote: >>One thing confuses me though; Joni pronounced his name, "Mark >>Eye-sham". I had been pronouncing it with a short 'I'. Which is >>correct? It seemed like a pretty straightforward name to me. Mark Isham's name is pronounced EYE-sham. When we were both recording for Windham Hill we met a few times and that is how he pronounces it. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:43:32 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: For The Roses songbook In a message dated 12/18/98 1:42:37 AM, Harpua@revealed.net wrote: >If anyone knows where I can find a copy (bad or good) of the FTR >songbook, please let me know! I've checked E-bay and the newsgroups >and haven't found one. I've got one and so does Pearl. i got mine at a local guitar shop. actually you could probably order one through a guitar shop... - -mariana NP: KROQ (the radio station) playing Dollparts, by Hole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:02:49 +1100 (EST) From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: [none] > >To: "Kakki" >From: Mark-Leon Thorne >Subject: Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >You might be interested in >>his web site http://www.isham.com/ I also learned from the site that he >>will be appearing at The New Baked Potato on Sunset in Hollywood on Januaary >>15th and 16th, at the Steppenwolf Theatre in Chicago on January 25th and >>back in L.A. at The Viper Room on February 27th. > >Thanks but, why would it interest me that he is performing halfway around >the world? > >Mark >Canberra > > ****************** Mark-Leon Thorne Vail Apartments 9/60 Henty street Braddon A.C.T. Australia 2612 Tel: +61 2 6230 1181 ****************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:13:42 +1100 (EST) From: t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne) Subject: '91 Interview Hello everyone, Whilst going through my old copies of Andy Warhol's Interview magazine, I came across a feature interview with JM from April 1991. I'm not sure if this interview was reprinted anywhere else. It was accompanied by some stunning photographs by Matthew Rolston. I will try to get them scanned and send them to Wally. In the meantime, here is the interview. *Joni Mitchell must love bass. Her current bass playe, Larry Klein, is also her husband, and some of the greatest bassists of all time have been her friends and collaborators. The late Charles Mingus was working on an album with Mitchell when he died in 1979. (She completed Mingus as a tribute to him.) And the late Jaco Pastorius helped Mitchell forge the radically free-spirited Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Hejira, which surprised fans accustomed to her simple folk style of the early '70s. Mitchell's search for the perfect bass is one of the things that led her out of folk, and into pop and fusion - and back again. He latest album, Night Ride Home, is a dreamy synthesis of jazz melodies with acoustic instrumentation. The songs brim with her trademark warmth and complexity. Primarily a return to heavy acoustic guitar, the record is pretty without being simplistic - Joni Mitchell coming into the '90s. Since childhood, Mitchell's passion for art has vied with her devotion to music. The cover of her 1982 album, Wild Things Run Fast, is a self-portrait, and she did the eerily beautiful photomontage on the cover of Night Ride Home. Last fall Broadgate Centre in London organized a show of her paintings, an exhibit that will be traveling through Italy this summer. Dimitri Ehrlich: Does the title track "Night Ride Home" signify anything about a return to your roots as an acoustic artist? Joni Mitchell: Well, that thought crossed my mind, because I could see fairly soon after it was completed that it was viewed by friends as a kind of return to something that they wanted from me and that I perhaps hadn't given them for a while. I didn't much intend it as a return, though ultimately it doesn't really matter what I intended. DE: Your early records, such as Ladies of The Canyons, were created with generally spare arrangements. Then you went into more complex instrumentation. Now it seems like you've returned to "less is more." JM: Well, I started singing folk songs because it was a great way to begin. By the time I began to write my own music, I would say I was no longer a folksinger, although I looked like one because I was a girl with a guitar. The music I heard in me was harmonically and rhythmically much more complex, which you can hear as I began to learn the studio a little bit and began to overdub - like, for instance, on Court and Spark. Even though we used an orchestra on that record, everything you hear is my composition, not an arrangement by someone imposed on my composition. DE: Do you feel that your last two records before Night Ride Home were rejected because they were so densely orchestrated? JM: Well, I am slightly defensive about the last couple of projects because they were really underestimated. I tried to write for large choruses on them. Suppose I want to write musicals. If I went along doing only nice intimate little things, how would I ever learn how to write for a full stage? DE: When you write, are you conscious of the balance between simply expressing yourself and reacting to the demands of an audience? JM: No. I would think my creative process is fairly pure. It takes its own course. On the other hand, I'm not a purity freak. I'm not prjudiced against outside influences. I like collage - you know, inserting prerecorded music. It's like adding a piece of found object into a painting. DE: Have you actually been sampling records? JM: No. But I used to make tape loops with music from Burundi, which I thought was the greatest rock 'n' roll I ever heard. That was way before world beat became so popular. As a matter of fact, people thought I was out of my mind, because while they liked rock 'n' roll, they didn't really like its roots. Now all that's been assimilated. DE: How did you get into African drumming? JM: I was always interested in rhythm, so I had a lot of ethnic records. I've always thought about the spirits of music, you know. Like rock 'n' roll: people keep writing songs about how rock 'n' roll will never die. Well, rock 'n' roll died a long time ago. It never made it into the '60s. The roll went out of it. What died was the push beat, the remnant of swing and boogie-woogie. And when it died what was left was just rock - a more vertical beat. A certain joy went out of rock 'n' roll, and what was left was a militancy - which I guess makes sense because of the times. DE: You once said you didn't like playing to large crowds because you thought that the masses of people were buying your records based on illusory ideas of you. JM: Well, I had enough of the ham in me to enjoy being the center of attention of a small group. But on the big stage, there's a bigger pressure. The bulk of people are manipulated by the industry, because they're so uncertain of their own taste. Many of them are sheep and have to be told what to like. That keeps the mercantile coffers full. DE: Are you saying that you don't like fan worship because it's not honest, like they're not really digging you for what you are? JM: Some are and some aren't. Hpw do you separate them? Basically I couldn't buy that overnight there suddenly was this kind of mass adoration coming at me. It didn't seem real. And, of course, it wasn't. Some of them stay with you; you're drawn together like friends through a genuine affinity. And the others are kind of phenomenon seekers. They see a little action, but they don't really know what's going on. DE: David Byrne once said that he writes songs by setting nonsense words to a beat and then later fitting in real words syllable by syllable. I assume that you write your lyrics first, because they're literary and poetic. JM: No. I set them to the music, which I write first. Sometimes the music wants phonetics that don't really appear a lot in English. Right now I've got a song that wants to be written in Spanish or Italian. It's still waiting for words, but it wants to be made up of words that end in O. DE: How would you describe Jaco Pastorius' impact on your music? JM: Prior to Jaco, I was questioning the bass' role in music. I would hum melodies tobass players and ask them to play them, and they'd refuse me and say, "That's not the root of a chord, Joni." And then I'd say, "Why does the bass have to play the root of the chord?" In a way, I feel like I dreamed Jaco. I mean, he was exactly what I was waiting for, sonically: the big round sound and the different approach to the bottom end of the music. But I think when I met Jaco it was pre-cocaine, because cocaine was not a good drug for him. Disastrous, actually. DE: Prince always cites you as a major inspiration. What do you think he assimilated from your music? JM: Well, Prince has assimilated some of my harmony, which, because it comes out of my guitar tunings, is peculiar. A lot of times my chords depict complex emotions - Joni's weird chords. Prince saw me play when he was very young in Minneapolis, and I remember seeing him in the front row, because his eyes are so unusual. You know, they're, like, Egyptian. DE: It's amazing that you would remember someone from the audience. You must have seen so many faces. JM: Yeah, but I remember I played a lot to him because his eyes were so unusual. Every time the light would spill down there, and he'd kind of hide inside his coat and look up at me. DE: How's the art world treating you? JM: Well, the thing about the art world is that everyone wants to pigeonhole the artists. And the problem I've run into is that to align myself with a gallery means to really curtail my freedom. I paint in, like, four different styles, but they want you to get a recognizable style going, like Lichtenstein or something. But in a way, everything you appreciate goes into you and comes out sooner or later. It creates the mulch for later work. DE: I like that idea. Chogyam Trungpa, the Tibetan lama, once said that everything in kife is fertilizer: you scatter it on the fields of awakening. Rather than saying that everything you hate about yourself is shit and that you're going to get rid of it. JM: He loved the word "shit", didn't he? DE: Trungpa did some very weird things. JM: Oh, yeah. He was the bad boy of Zen. I wrote a song about a visit I made to him called "Refuge of The Road." I consider him one of my great teachers, even though I saw him only three times. Once I had a fifteen-minute audience with him in which he argued. He told me to quit analyzing. I told him I couldn't - I'm an artist, you know. Then he induced in me a temporary state where the concept of "I" was absent, which lasted for three days. DE: Wow, that's very rare. Immediate transmission. JM: Immediate, and from then on it was my decision whether to make that my life. But you can't function from there as an artist. DE: Did you ever tell him how much you learned from him? JM: Yes. At the very end of Trungpa's life I went to visit him. I wanted to thank him. He was not well. He was green and his eyes had no spirit in them at all, which sort of stunned me, because the previous times I'd seen him he was quite merry and puckish - you know, saying "shit" a lot. I leaned over and looked into his eyes, and I said, "How is it in there? What do you see in there?" And his voice came, like, out of a void, and it said, "Nothing." So, I went over and whispered in his ear, "I just came to tell you that when I left you that time, I had three whole days without self-consciousness, and I wanted to thanks you for the experience." And he looked up at me, and all the light came back into his face, and he goes, "Really?" And then he sank back into this black void again. DE: How would you sum up Trungpa's effect on your life? JM: Well, who know? His particular lineage uses a teaching device that involves shocking you. Trungpa stopped me in my tracks. Made a space. Wham. He pushes back all this stuff, and it stayed pushed back for three days. DE: I once asked a Tibetan lama about duality. He just took my head in his hand and smacked our heads together. It was, like, bonk. He said, "You think too much." JM: You are a bright cookie, you know that? Your questions have almost been too cerebral for me. DE: Sorry, they have been a bit dense. JM: But on the other hand, I like what most might consider stupid questions. DE: As in, What's it like to be a singer? JM: Um, that's not a bad one. I could answer that. Dimitri Ehrlich, Interview, April 1991. NP: Night Ride Home ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:27:55 +1100 (EST) From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Song to a Seagull?? Paul, It is written right on the album cover. Look at the seagulls. They spell the title out. I don't even know how it got the other title of Joni Mitchell. I guess people didn't notice the real titel right away. If you still have trouble, smoke yourself a big fat joint and look again. :-) Mark Canberra ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:38:40 +1100 (EST) From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Will The Real Joni Mitchell Please Stand Up? Through all this clarification of JM's 1968 LP, Song To a Seagull, I just remembered that my very first album of Joni's was an album that I have since read was only released in Australia in the early '70s called, "The World of Joni Mitchell" but, on the cover, it just read, "Joni Mitchell". Now, when I see people talking about an album titled, "Joni Mitchell" I keep thinking of that album because I have always thought about her first album as, "Song To a Seagull". Mark Canberra ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:36:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham I wrote: >You might be interested in >>his web site http://www.isham.com/ I also learned from the site that he >>will be appearing at The New Baked Potato on Sunset in Hollywood on Januaary >>15th and 16th, at the Steppenwolf Theatre in Chicago on January 25th and >>back in L.A. at The Viper Room on February 27th. Mark wrote: >Thanks but, why would it interest me that he is performing halfway around >the world? It wouldn't, but it interested me and maybe other listers in LA and Chicago. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:09:22 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham Mark wrote: > Thanks but, why would it interest me that he is performing halfway around > the world? And Kakki Responded: > It wouldn't, but it interested me and maybe other listers in LA and Chicago. Now I say: Well, it interested me and I don't live in any of those places ;~D Susan L.A Honey McBabe-Having blonde dayz...any resemblance to real living blondes not intended ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #515 ************************** There is now a JMDL tape trading list. Interested traders can get more details at http://www.jmdl.com/trading ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. 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