From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #514 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 03 : Number 514 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Henry Diltz (JC) ["Kakki" ] Joni/Massive Attack (NJC) [t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne)] Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham [t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Th] Another List! Best Movies 98 (NJC) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Season's Greetings/ rock hall ["M & C Urbanski" ] Re: Thanks Marian NJC [M.Russell@iaea.org] Joni Post- Its (smj) [TerryM2442@aol.com] more top fives NJC, FYI, STP, CIA, BBC, CBS, DEA, NBC... ["John M. Lind" ] Re: Tom & Joni [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Bye Bye [luvart@snet.net] Cirque du Soleil NJC ["John M. Lind" ] Re: Another List! Best Movies 98 (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Bye Bye ["M & C Urbanski" ] Song to a Seagull?? ["Tyrer, Paul" ] songs in the key of life NJC [Linda Worster ] 'Twas the week before Christmas (Parody w/JC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Song to a Seagull?? ["M & C Urbanski" ] Car Wheels? [Bounced Message ] Re: Song to a Seagull?? [davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein)] Re: Car Wheels? (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Song to a Seagull?? [Les Irvin ] Re: Song to a Seagull?? ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Song to a Seagull?? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Song to a Seagull?? ["M & C Urbanski" ] Bye Bye [evian ] Morning Becomes Eclectic [Ken Corral ] Re: Tom & Joni [Scott and Jody ] James Taylor, ( there could have been, but NJC) [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re[2]: Tom & Joni [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Song to a Seagull?? [LRFye@aol.com] Re: that Joni trouble (NJC, to be honest) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans [catman ] Re: Re[2]: Tom & Joni [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: 'Twas the week before Christmas (Parody w/JC) [RickieLee1@aol.com] A poll with all Joni content [Les Irvin ] (NJC Yet) It's Coming on Christmas ["Happy The Man" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:43:38 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Henry Diltz (JC) Some of you asked me how to get to the Henry Diltz website. Go to http://server2.powernet.net/~peterb/ and click on the photo of CSN to enter the site. There are lots of great photos of Joni and others available for viewing and purchase. There is also a section where you can sign up for his newsletter. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:26:15 +1000 From: t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne) Subject: Joni/Massive Attack (NJC) >Really! How can anyone who likes Joni also like Massive Attack and Elvis Costello?> Well, here's another big fan of both Joni AND Massive Attack. I have just put a deposit down on their new singles anthology - AU$140.00. Can't wait for the guest appearence I'm hoping she'll do with them. Mark Canberra ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:25:58 +1000 From: t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne) Subject: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham Hi everyone. For those in the Northern Hemisphere, enjoy the wonderful Winter weather (my favourite season) and for those in the Southern Hemisphere, take care in the sun and enjoy the hissing of Summer lawns. It has been an extraordinarily wet Winter and Summer was slow to come on in Canberra but, there have been a few very hot days lately. I am priveledged to have recently moved into a new apartment building that has full air-conditioning and a swimming pool. I (and my friends) are just starting to take advantage of it. We have been having a few lazy evenings lately. Although I play a variety of music when my friends come over, I usually throw a Joni CD on somewhere in there and a 19 year old friend of mine has started to become familiar with Joni's music and is really getting into it now. She was only into grunge music previously. Now she asks me to play Joni when she comes over. If you think it's strange to like Joni and Massive Attack, her taste is more like, Pulp, Tool, Korn, Marilyn Manson, etc. Then again, the Indigo Girls site Hüsker Dü as their faves and Tori Amos is into Nirvana. I am curious how many students are on this list. I understand that students in the Northern Hemisphere are about to go on a break. We have been on end of year break for some weeks now and don't go back until the end of February. Thanks to Willie from Alabama, I now have a copy of the Joni PPV special. Thanks very much, Willie. I hope you like the tape I sent you. I have only seen Joni on video once or twice before and never realised how good she is at storytelling. Her story of her holiday to BC was wonderful. She even does impressions. I am constantly amazed at the caliber of musician that Joni Mitchell attracts. She brings her fans' attention to musicians who might otherwise be lost to obscurity. I would never have been interested in Pat Metheny if it wasn't for Joni. On the other hand, I have been a fan of Mark Isham ever since I discovered the Windham Hill label and bought the soundtrack to Mrs Soffel. His haunting penny whistle and synth sounds weave images of the snow covered forests of New England and southern Ontario. When I bought that album, I went out and bought a penny whistle (costing a little more than a penny these days) but, never learned how to play. It's amazing that such a simple instrument can have such a soothing and beautiful sound. Then I realised that he plays sax too. Mark Isham went off on the PPV special. What a talent! One thing confuses me though; Joni pronounced his name, "Mark Eye-sham". I had been pronouncing it with a short 'I'. Which is correct? It seemed like a pretty straightforward name to me. I was also a little disappointed by Joni's disrespect for her Hall of Fame Award. I could understand that attitude if it was an award based on sales but, this was a recognition by her peers and the industry for achievement in music over time. Graham Nash must have been embarrassed. Would she react the same way to any accolades from her fans directly too? Does Joni Mitchell really care what her fans think? For those who have asked about the Tori Amos cover of A Case of You, it was released in Australia on a special 2CD edition of Under The Pink. Mark Canberra NP: Travelling Without Moving - Jamiroquai ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:39:44 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Another List! Best Movies 98 (NJC) <5. Welcome to Woop Woop (very disappointing follow-up to Priscilla)> Although, Welcome To Woop Woop was made by the same people, it is in no other way connected to The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of The Desert. Mark Canberra ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:28:10 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Happy 40, Colin NJC > In 35mins I shall be 40 and am wondering if I will feel like a grownup. > 40 is a grown up age isn't it? A proper adult? > bw > colin Colin, I spent my 40th year in the shrink's office dealing with that one! Good News! This is the age were you can tell people to go F**k themselves if they don't like the way you behave! I personally like being a perpetual teen with life experience & wisdom & no hormonal roller coaster. My 14 year old tells me to quit dressing like her. I told her I've dressed in jeans & T-shirts since I was her age & I'm not gonna dress like an old fart for her. She does tell me I'm "cool" however. I took her & her friends to see Aerosmith last night-what fun! Last time I saw them, I hadn't even met her father yet! As I was watching them on stage, I thought "look at these guys; they're what close to 50 and still have it like they did in their 20's". They were enjoying themselves. My cousin turned me on to the Marx brothers; I had never seen their movies before. I behave like that a lot of the time & people think I'm nuts. Who cares! There is no such thing as normal. What you feel & think is who you are. Trying to fit into the image of the generation before us will only make you crazy. We are a whole nother breed! That stuff is only an illusion. Just be you and find peace with yourself! After all, LIFE DOES BEGIN AT 40! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Marilyn P.S. I'm glad the morons are moving out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:02:17 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham In a message dated 12/16/98 5:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, t3100171@student.anu.edu.au writes: << I was also a little disappointed by Joni's disrespect for her Hall of Fame Award. I could understand that attitude if it was an award based on sales but, this was a recognition by her peers and the industry for achievement in music over time. Graham Nash must have been embarrassed. Would she react the same way to any accolades from her fans directly too? Does Joni Mitchell really care what her fans think? >> Yes, I thinkshe does care what we think. Her disresepect for the Hall of Fame award had more to do with the Hall of Fame's blatant "fund-raising," which required a large donation from the recipient. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:09:41 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Season's Greetings/ rock hall - ---------- > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Season's Greetings/ Mark Isham > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 6:25 AM > > Hi everyone. >... a 19 year old friend of mine has started to become > familiar with Joni's music and is really getting into it now. She was only > into grunge music previously. Now she asks me to play Joni when she comes > over. If you think it's strange to like Joni and Massive Attack, her taste > is more like, Pulp, Tool, Korn, Marilyn Manson, etc. Then again, the Indigo > Girls site Hüsker Dü as their faves and Tori Amos is into Nirvana. > > > I was also a little disappointed by Joni's disrespect for her Hall of Fame > Award. I could understand that attitude if it was an award based on sales > but, this was a recognition by her peers and the industry for achievement > in music over time. Graham Nash must have been embarrassed. Would she react > the same way to any accolades from her fans directly too? Does Joni > Mitchell really care what her fans think? > Mark > Canberra First: My daughter has about the same taste in music as your friend, steals my Beatle CD's & hubby's Pink Floyd. She knows every Joni song (She's been listening since the womb). I hope someday Joni's music grabs her too. Second: R&R Hall of Fame: ooohhh can o' worms; I like it! However, living in the city that brings you the Hall of Fame, I understand her contempt! The rock hall is a joke! It's poorly done. There are people inducted that I think don't belong. Finally, I think Joni's contempt has to do with the fact that Duh, it took them HOW LONG??? to include her. I mean geees, she's a pioneer, she should have been inducted right along with Dylan. Carol King isn't even in for her music only her "influence". If you go into any other museum, there is a natural flow of events. Art & history for example present the history chronologically. You can go from prehistoric to present in these places. Not so with the rock hall. It's a jumbled mess! Also, I visited before & a year after Joni was inducted; all they have for her is one computer where you can here "Help Me" another with an interview and last, a blurb of her in (an early) concert on a film they made. So much for induction. Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:19:44 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Thanks Marian NJC On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:01:56 +0100 "Tube" wrote: > Marian wrote: > > I just wanted to let everyone know that I completed > > the cookbook and sent it to Wally on Monday. > Sounds like a lot of work Marian - Well done. It was a pleasure, really! > I just can't believe you included my lame excuses > for recipes in there! The cookbook would not have been complete without them! The Man To Man Chauvinistic Bachelor Slob Spaghetti story is really funny - maybe Joni can use it as inspiration for a funny song! And the Leadfoot Melvin's Hotwired French Toast sounds really good - it's actually high on my list of recipes I want to try. In case anyone would like a copy of the JMDL Cookbook MS Word (W95 version) document, just let me know and I'll email it to you. The pages are in the European A4 format which is slightly longer and narrower than the USA 8-1/2 x 11 paper size, so some recipes which fit on one European page may need two pages for 8-1/2 x 11. USA JMDLers might want to check the page breaks before printing and maybe reduce the font size so that all of the recipes and bios only require one page each. Friday afternoon I'm taking off for a couple of weeks. In case I don't get a chance before then, I wish everyone Happy Holidays and a great New Year's celebration! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:33:33 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni Post- Its (smj) Thanks to Laura, I too, was able to get a free stack of post-its. ( iPrint The Internet Print Shop. (Make a Busi... ) Mine have a pix of a coyote on the bottom and text on the top that reads, "No Regrets Coyote". I'm going to order a 2nd set and could use some Joni-isms. Did anyone save those tshirt/bumper sticker ideas? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:40:49 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: more top fives NJC, FYI, STP, CIA, BBC, CBS, DEA, NBC... I thought, just in case anybody is interested, before the top five thread is over that I would copy the top fives from the Pat Metheney Group(included in the liner notes to "We Live Here": Pat~ "Four & More" - Miles Davis "Smokin' At The Half-Note" - Wess Montgomery "Change Of The Century" - Ornette Coleman "Songs In The Key Of Life" - Stevie Wonder Anything by the Beatles Lyle~ "At The Montreux Jazz Festival" - Bill Evans "Filles De Kilimanjaro" - Miles Davis "Facing You" - Keith Jarrett "Native Dancer" - Wayne Shorter "Heresay" - Paul McCandless (Hejira is his #9") Steve~ "Relaxin" - Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue" - Miles Davis "Nefertiti" - Miles Davis "Aretha's Gold" - Aretha Franklin "Red Clay" - Freddie Hubbard Paul~ "Trout Mask Replica" - Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band "Free For All" - Art Blakey's Jazz Messengers "A Love Supreme" - John Coltrane "Wheels Of Fire" - Cream "Axis: Bold As Love" - Jimi Hendrix Experiance John~ NP "See The Changes" CSN&Y ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:01:56 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Tom & Joni John Lind proposed... OK here's a thread: If Tom Waits did an album of all Joni songs and Joni did an album of all Waits songs what should the play lists be? OK John, I did my homework last night and have my lists and I enjoyed it although I think you and I will be the only contributers... PS - I assembled my list before I read yours... So here it is, my double CD "Tom does Joni/Joni does Tom". The cover pictures them both dressed in drag - not a stretch for Joni as she's already done it on DJRD. Tom's got his dirty wool cap on along with a tacky red wig and some pink chiffon gown. Both have cigs danglin' from their lip. And the songs are something like this: Tom does Joni 1. Otis & Marlena (an obvious choice - these are very Waits-ish characters) 2. Off Night Backstreet (some lyrics would have to be tinkered with to make some of these work, but nothing major) 3. Nathan La Franeer (another Waits character, he loves cabdrivers) 4. That Song About The Midway (Lots of carnival themes in Tom's stuff) 5. Barangrill 6. The Jungle Line 7. Blue Motel Room 8. Furry Sings The Blues (I can hear "He points a bony finger at you and says 'I don't like you'"Joni sings it in the same gravelly voice. 9. God Must Be A Boogie Man 10.Ethiopia (Tom's voice can be so poignant and I think he would especially bring out the tragedy in this one 11.Sunny Sunday (This just sounds like another Waits character/Blanche DuBois-type Joni does Tom 1. Invitation to the Blues 2. Looking For the Heart of Saturday Night 3. Soldier's Things (Same comment as Ethiopia above...) 4. The Briar and The Rose (OK, I admit I cheated - Holly Cole's version of this is so pretty I want to hear Joni do it 5. Blind Love 6. I Wish I Was in New Orleans (For Michael Paz ;~D) 7. Potters Field (Tom's little symphony like "Judgement of the moon & stars, Paprika Plains, etc.) 8. Please Call Me Baby (Anybody could cover this one, it's a great song with this lyric: If I exorcise my devils, Well, my angels may leave too When they leave they're so hard to find" 9. Blue Valentines (Lots of "Blue" titles from both artists) 10. I Hope that I don't fall in Love with you Close the CD out with the both of them duetting on "I Never Talk to Strangers" Cut - Print it! Thanks again John for letting me indulge myself - Tom & Joni work a lot of the same territory, Tom's usually more of a participant while Joni casts herself more as an observer of the human condition. Both write gorgeous melodies, brilliant emotional lyrics; they can make you laugh out loud one minute & break your heart the next. Bob M. in SC NP: Elton John "Teacher I Need You" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:29:27 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Bye Bye At 10:32 PM 12/15/98 -0500, you wrote: > > Yeah, bye, bye Mr. Bates - don't let the door hitcha on the way out... > > Bob M. in SC >> > We better be careful ..... his last name IS Bates, you know ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:30:29 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Cirque du Soleil NJC For anyone who hasn't had a chance to experiance this show and gets the chance, Take It!! We got passes to see it last night here in Atlanta and it's absolutely amazing. Check it out: http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/ John~ NP "Taken At All" - CSN&Y ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:27:42 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Another List! Best Movies 98 (NJC) Unfortunately, our little podunk town only had "Godzilla" & "Armageddon" playing on 47 screens each all year, so the opportunities to watch quality films are rare in Greenville, S.Carolina. However, I did manage to see "The Truman Show", "Saving Private Ryan" & "Your Friends and Neighbors" which were worthwhile. I enjoyed "Pecker" (I had to drive 30 minutes to a neighboring small town with a film club to see it), but I'm a sucker for Waters - I agree that success has ruined him a little. "Something About Mary" was hilarious and a fun guilty pleasure, always glad to see Jonathon Richman get some attention and $$... So all the good '98 films I'll have to catch on videotape in '99... Bob M. in SC ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Another List! Best Movies 98 (NJC) Author: Kai Wong at fdinet Date: 12/15/98 11:13 AM My Top 5 for 1998 1. Gods and Monsters (profoundly moving, Best Actor: Ian McKellen) 2. Central Station (Best Actress: Fernanda Montenegro) 3. Happiness (great follow-up to Dollhouse) 4. Shakespeare in Love (Joseph Fienes as Willy the Shake) 5. Steam Disappointments 1. What Dreams May Come (Worst script of the year) 2. Pecker (John Waters is lost without Divine) 3. Living Out Loud (The trailer was far better) 4. Something About Mary 5. Welcome to Woop Woop (very disappointing follow-up to Priscilla) Kai ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:26:09 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Bye Bye - ---------- > From: Kakki > To: Anne Madden ; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Bye Bye > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 2:13 AM > > >Then there is Nicholas:- > > > >> Am I alone in thinking a) most of the information on this discussion > >> group is boring and b) there is too much NJC content? > >> > >> After just a week on the list I am uns.ubscribing so that I can free up > >> my server for things of interest and inteligence. Maybe if Ms Mitchell > >> was actually a contributer to this group if would actually be worth > >> tuning in to. > > > I think Old Nicky is a joker, a jester and a poker - c'mon, there has never > been a newbie who knew what NJC meant after only one week on the list! > > Kakki Oh come on...aren't you being too hard? After all he did write "NJC content" Non Joni Content content. I think the poor chap was crushed at the thought that SIQUOMB herself was not a part of this list. Dream on...Dream on...Dream on...Dream on. Did he know what siquomb stood for? We'll never know! Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:37:13 -0000 From: "Tyrer, Paul" Subject: Song to a Seagull?? Sorry to go on about this (I know, I could bore for England) but where is the evidence that JM's first album is called STAS and not JM: JM? Lots of people on the page have assured me that it is STAS (this title is hippy nonsense - I would much prefer JMJM) but have given no evidence. Show me evidence!! I wanna see evidence (I'm in research, I can't help it!). I've even checked the hallowed homepage and that says Joni MItchell Joni MItchell (with STAS in brackets). Can anyone quote Joni on this? Last day at work today before crimbo. Huzzah. PX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:07:42 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: songs in the key of life NJC >"Songs in the Key of Life": Stevie Wonder > >People have been including Stevie on their lists, but not this title. I >think it's his best: Sir Duke, Love's in Need of Love Today, If It's >Magic, and the one that starts, "Lookin' back at when I/was a little nappy >headed boy." ! What an amazing album. > > AMEN!!! I couldn't agree more. That album has healed my heart in such profound ways... I forgot to add to my most important list: Paul Brady- What a great songwriter. From Ireland. His songs have been covered by lots of folks including Bonnie Raitt. Paul's album- "Spirits Colliding" doesn't have a bad song on it- for me- one of the most exciting albums I've heard in years. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:18:40 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: 'Twas the week before Christmas (Parody w/JC) Well, I guess it's time I tried my hand at this. So here goes: Twas the week before Christmas On the jmdl And nobody's posting But that's just as well Some new folks have joined Others left in a huff ... Over large and small matters And that NJC stuff We've dissected Joni Her rants and her raves And Taming The Tiger's Poked, prodded and praised From face-lifts to boo-hoos And her new found synthetics Is she really just crabby? Or perhaps diabetic? But love it or leave it It's been quite a year So here are the highlights That we all hold so dear ... She started out west With Bob and with Van Could she tour again? She found out she still can! And she finally wound up At the farm owned by Max So it's thirty years later Chill out and relax! Her shining appearance With Herbie and Kyle Have shown one and all She's still got girly guile Then she toured with Larry With Chris and with Brian And those who attended Well they're all still flyin' Despite interruptions From fans there for Dylan She fixed them with glares And words that were chillin' And some listers met her In person no less She was gracious and charming And lovely I guess That just about does it For a big Joni year So goodnight one and all And to all -- great good cheer! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:37:37 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? - ---------- > From: Tyrer, Paul > To: 'joni@smoe.org' > Subject: Song to a Seagull?? > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:37 AM > > Sorry to go on about this (I know, I could bore for England) but where is the > evidence that JM's first album is called STAS and not JM: JM? Lots of people > on the page have assured me that it is STAS (this title is hippy nonsense - - I > would much prefer JMJM) but have given no evidence. Show me evidence!! I > wanna see evidence (I'm in research, I can't help it!). I've even checked the > hallowed homepage and that says Joni MItchell Joni MItchell (with STAS in > brackets). > > Can anyone quote Joni on this? > > Last day at work today before crimbo. Huzzah. > PX > Paul, On the front cover there are a bunch of seagulls off to the side a bit (left side I think). If you look at them you can see that they spell out SONG TO A SEAGULL Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:44:35 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? - ---------- > From: M & C Urbanski > To: Tyrer, Paul ; 'joni@smoe.org' > Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 12:37 PM > > > > ---------- > > From: Tyrer, Paul > > To: 'joni@smoe.org' > > Subject: Song to a Seagull?? > > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 11:37 AM > > > > Can anyone quote Joni on this? > > > > > > Paul, > > On the front cover there are a bunch of seagulls off to the side a bit > (left side I think). If you look at them you can see that they spell out > SONG > TO A > SEAGULL > > Marilyn P.S. I also have a bootleg CD of Joni in concert right before the LP was released & she calls it "Song To A Seagull". So I have verbal proof too. Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:48:08 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Car Wheels? From: "Tube" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:24:31 +0100 From: Kai Wong Subject: Top 5 & Grammys current all-time Top 5: 2. Car Wheels - Lucinda Williams Just jog my memory will you please? Is that an old (like 70's) album? It rings a bell as something I heard only ONCE in my life, years ago on the radio, loved it to death for an ecstatic 4 minutes,never ever heard it again and didn't know who it was by. Has anyone else ever had that experience? Also I moved to Italy a year ago now and there was a dance record I used to hear on the radio a lot called 'Comme la Notte' ( trans. 'like the night'). At least I think that's what the dame was singin'. But I could never understand the italian DJ and find out the artist, so could never find it in any record shops. It's really painful not to be able to know how or where to find and buy a record that really freaks you out on those too few occasions when you hear it on the radio. Tube ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:10:11 -0800 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? PX wrote: where is the evidence that JM's first album is called STAS and not JM: >Does anyone still have Simon's dissertation on the STAS evidence? - -Davina np: Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:11:25 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Car Wheels? (NJC) From: "Tube" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:24:31 +0100 From: Kai Wong Subject: Top 5 & Grammys current all-time Top 5: 2. Car Wheels - Lucinda Williams Just jog my memory will you please? Is that an old (like 70's) album? It rings a bell as something I heard only ONCE in my life, years ago on the radio, loved it to death for an ecstatic 4 minutes,never ever heard it again and didn't know who it was by. Has anyone else ever had that experience? Also I moved to Italy a year ago now and there was a dance record I used to hear on the radio a lot called 'Comme la Notte' ( trans. 'like the night'). At least I think that's what the dame was singin'. But I could never understand the italian DJ and find out the artist, so could never find it in any record shops. It's really painful not to be able to know how or where to find and buy a record that really freaks you out on those too few occasions when you hear it on the radio. Tube Hey Tubie, I can't help you in the Italian dance record department, but "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road" by Lucinda Williams is strictly 1998 vintage. If you heard it in the 70's, you must've had some kinda out of body prophetic deja vu experience! The Williams disc, btw, IS the best release of '98 ;~D Bob M. in SC, with a sudden urge to bust out singing "Volare" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:24:48 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? At 09:37 AM 12/16/98 , Paul wrote: >Sorry to go on about this (I know, I could bore for England) but where is the >evidence that JM's first album is called STAS and not JM: JM? Lots of people >on the page have assured me that it is STAS (this title is hippy nonsense - I >would much prefer JMJM) but have given no evidence. Show me evidence!! I >wanna see evidence (I'm in research, I can't help it!). Hi Paul et al - This seems to be the number one JMDL debate. Hopefully this will put it to rest. In a follow-up blurb to his massive article on Joni in Goldmine Magazine (http://www.jmdl.com/articles/gold1.htm), author William Ruhlman writes: "Two of the more careful readers of my article, "Joni Mitchell: From Blue To Indigo" (issue 380), were Joni Mitchell and David Geffen. Both of them have contacted me subsequently, and with their help I am able to clarify a few points made in the article. "The article contained a description of the confusion surrounding the title of Mitchell's 1968 debut album. The album has a cover illustration, painted by Mitchell, that features the words "Song To A Seagull" written out in seagulls, while the spine and the record label (on LP, cassette and CD) all say merely "Joni Mitchell." This has led some people to call the album Song To A Seagull and some Joni Mitchell, while some published sources mistakenly say there are two albums. "I pointed out that Joni Mitchell is the "official" title. Mitchell, however, wishes to note that Song To A Seagull was the title she intended for the album, though somehow that intention got lost when the album was being pressed, and the error has never been corrected." There ya go! Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:29:36 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? Marilyn writes ... >P.S. I also have a bootleg CD of Joni in concert right before the LP was >released & she calls it "Song To A Seagull". So I have verbal proof too. > Unfortunately, since it is a bootleg, we'll have to ask the jury to totally disregard it, since it's not part of a legal pressing. And even so ... it would still just be hearsay. ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:33:51 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? In a message dated 12/16/98 11:47:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, p.tyrer@lancaster.ac.uk writes: << Sorry to go on about this (I know, I could bore for England) but where is the evidence that JM's first album is called STAS and not JM: JM? Lots of people on the page have assured me that it is STAS (this title is hippy nonsense - I would much prefer JMJM) but have given no evidence. Show me evidence!! I wanna see evidence (I'm in research, I can't help it!). I've even checked the hallowed homepage and that says Joni MItchell Joni MItchell (with STAS in brackets). Can anyone quote Joni on this? >> Paul, As you might imagine, this question arises from a newbie about once every two months. So rather than repeat the answer in detail, I wil suggest you search the JMDL archives, where you will find all the information you need to satisfy your curiousity and after which you will never ask the question again. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:55:11 -0500 From: "M & C Urbanski" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? - ---------- > From: Don Rowe > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 1:29 PM > > Marilyn writes ... > >P.S. I also have a bootleg CD of Joni in concert right before the LP > was > >released & she calls it "Song To A Seagull". So I have verbal proof > too. > > > Unfortunately, since it is a bootleg, we'll have to ask the jury to > totally disregard it, since it's not part of a legal pressing. And even > so ... it would still just be hearsay. ;-) > > Don Rowe > That's It, I'm forwarding all my JMDL content to my attorney from now on! HA HA Marilyn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:04:38 -0600 From: evian Subject: Bye Bye > I think Old Nicky is a joker, a jester and a poker - c'mon, there has never > been a newbie who knew what NJC meant after only one week on the list! > LOL Kakki!!!! You got that right! Hell, it took me a month to figure out that NP didn't mean "new product"! LOL, I can't believe I just admitted that! Whenever someone would be playing Hejira or something, I would think "damn, they just bought that NOW? Man, these folks are SLOW"!Evian np (not new at all): "Sorcerer" -- Marilyn Martin, Steets of Fire Soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 12:16:52 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: Morning Becomes Eclectic Hello Folks, Here's a small bit of news from KCRW, one of the very Joni-friendly radio stations here in Los Angeles. On this morning's show host Nick Harcort was joined by two music critics, John Payne from the L.A. Weekly, Steve Hockman from the L.A. Times and producer of Morning Becomes Eclectic, Ariana Morgenstern for a year end round-up/gift-giving themed show. The whole thing was quite fun with lots of repartee between the guests and some interesting offerings from 3 different perspectives. One of Ariana Morganstern's selections was "My Best To You" from Taming The Tiger which she dedicated to her mother. She introduced it by saying something like "Joni Mitchell always crafts very beautiful songs and this album is no exception. My mother will be getting TTT with this track underlined" After the song was played the conversation continued with talk of last May's Warner Bros. PPV concert. All the guests (except John Payne) plus the host had attended the Saturday night taping and all singled out the covers as being major surprises and delights. They also particularly loved her cigarette breaks during the taping of those songs. Happy Holidays, Ken Corral- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:10:52 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Tom & Joni Bob wrote: > John Lind proposed... > OK here's a thread: > If Tom Waits did an album of all Joni songs and Joni did an album of all > Waits songs what should the play lists be? > OK John, I did my homework last night and have my lists and I enjoyed > it although I think you and I will be the only contributers... > I would contribute, but John, why did you start this thread right before Christmas? :-( I am so swamped with work right now, I honestly can say I have 10 minutes a day to spend on the computer. At any rate, great thread-great posts from the two of you. You both covered Tom covering Joni. I can't think of anything else too add. As for Joni does Tom: How about including "Frank's Wild Years"-Joni loves to talk and tell a tale. I like the idea of closing with a duet on "I Never Talk to Strangers". Somewhere I'd add J&T duetting on "Picking Up After You". Don't you just love the way at the end, Tom goes from 'picking up after you' to 'With someone I'll pick up after you'? Actually from that album, I could see Joni doing "I Beg Your Pardon". btw, Bob, Great image for a cover picture! You'd have to make sure some chest hair was sticking out of Tom's pink chiffon gown-" Goin' Out West"- 'I got hair on my chest...I look good without a shirt'! jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:34:54 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: James Taylor, ( there could have been, but NJC) I noticed from the 12/05 issue of Billboard that James Taylor is receiving their Century Aware, the one that Joni was awarded back in 1995, (they picked George Harrison, Buddy Guy and Billy Joel over her first?!?!). A quick glance through the article reveals NJC. Since it goes through his musical career, for some reason I was sure there would be SOME mention of JM, but alas.... If there are any James Taylor fans out there who hoard things and would like my copy, please let me know and I'll send it out. MG (PS to Marian: I'm still waiting for the Leonard Cohen issue to wander by my in-basket....) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:29:37 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Tom & Joni ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Tom & Joni Author: Scott and Jody at fdinet Date: 12/16/98 2:10 PM Bob wrote: > John Lind proposed... > OK here's a thread: > If Tom Waits did an album of all Joni songs and Joni did an album of all > Waits songs what should the play lists be? > OK John, I did my homework last night and have my lists and I enjoyed > it although I think you and I will be the only contributers... > I would contribute, but John, why did you start this thread right before Christmas? :-( I am so swamped with work right now, I honestly can say I have 10 minutes a day to spend on the computer. Jody, Sounds like you need to get your priorities straight...;~D Bob NP: Smithereens "Long Way Back Again" P.S. - Thanks for your thumbs up on the post! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:49:59 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull?? Marilyn wrote: > On the front cover there are a bunch of seagulls off to the side a bit > (left side I think). If you look at them you can see that they spell out > SONG > TO A > SEAGULL The seagulls are on the right side of the cover. On the original vinyl edition of this album, the cover spine and the record label say "Joni Mitchell," with no mention of STAS. I owned my (used) vinyl copy of this album for many years before I noticed that the birds spell the intended title, partly because most of the first "L" and all of the last "L" in the word SEAGULL are cut off, as well as part of the "G" in SONG. (Actually, the first "L" and the "G" wrap around the cover to the lyrics, as it's a bi-fold cover.) Does anyone else's copy appear this way? On my CD version of the album, the spine and the CD itself say "Song To A Seagull" and "Joni Mitchell". And interestingly enough, the birds are not cut off and they very obviously spell out Song To A Seagull. It looks as if the cover art was altered a bit to display it in its entirety, as Joni probably originally intended it to appear. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:59:59 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: that Joni trouble (NJC, to be honest) John wrote: > "Joni Mitchell broke up my relationship!!" on the next Rikki Lake! ;^) Then Bob wrote: > Or worse, put it on Jerry Springer, bring out all the old & new lovers > and let 'em duke it out. (Although I don't think there's a lot of > intersection between folks that listen to Joni & folks who would > consent to appear on Springer...);~D HAHAHAHAHAAHA! Both of you! Hysterical! : D And the funniest thing (to me) is that while my ex probably wouldn't consent to appear on Springer, the fact that she delighted in watching Ricki, Jenny, Maury, and Jerry EVERY SINGLE DAY and well into the wee hours of the morning (keeping me awake!) was a major bone of contention with us! Lori, whose t.v. broke two weeks ago and may never be replaced San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:08:09 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC) A coupl'a gripes, grumbles and groans Maybe one day it will be illegal to incite hatred against us the way it is to people of different races. However, as the religions are the main culprits of this, i don't see much chance of that happening. they fuel peoples fears and bigotires and give them the backing to be as they are. after all to hate gays is doing God's workk in some people's minds. However, the one thing they cannot touch is our soul's and the righteousness on our side. no matter what, they cannot take our humanity away. they can kill us, make life very difficult, but they will not destroy us. we will always live. always be around. we can't be eradicated . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:20:05 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC:everyone has their use Not that i would mention any names, but it seems certain people do us a favour after all! See every dark cloud does have a silver lining. "A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." (Calvin and Hobbes) - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:51:23 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tom & Joni joni doing tom? well, any of them, but somewhere in there would have to be "burma shave." that would be a dream, her voice singing his incredible melody and those words!!! talk about beat poetry! if anyone is unfamiliar with tom's "burma shave" - do yourself a favor and go get it right now. it is on my anthology album. i am not certain on which disc it can be found. (does anyone think joni singing "the piano has been drinking" would be interesting, to say the very least. i think she would have a ball with that one...) and the only must cut on tom doing joni would have to be "cold blue steel and sweet fire". pretty sure tom LIVED those lyrics... two great artists. battle of the titans.... peace and love ric p.s. where's kenny??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:51:26 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: 'Twas the week before Christmas (Parody w/JC) oh you charmer you! little did we know we had a jonathan swift in our midst!! thanks for the smile! peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:18:32 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: A poll with all Joni content Joniphiles - Since we are all in the polling mood these days... I'd like to announce that the JMDL song and album "voting booths" are back up and running on the website. These allow you to vote for your fave Joni songs and albums and see the results calculated immediately. Head over to: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery and click on the voting booth links. The area is password protected so that those less-discriminating non-jimdlers aren't able to skew the results. As long as you keep two words in mind - "jimdle" and "siquomb" - you should have no trouble voting. Have fun! Les - obviously with too much time on his hands... np: John Martyn! the other JM... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:36:48 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: (NJC Yet) It's Coming on Christmas This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BE2955.5535C9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Merry Christmas to all. May God grant your dreams and wishes during this holiday season. May you all be blessed. We leave tomorrow for a cross country trip. Cypress, CA. for 3 days and then up to Coos Bay, Oregon for Christmas then back to Orange County for New Years. Peace to all, Craig - --------------------------------- You had no stones to throw You came without an axe to grind Did not tow the party line No wonder sight came to the blind You had no stones to throw 'Cause the world can't stand what it cannot own and it can't own You 'cause You did not have a home. —Rich Mullins - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BE2955.5535C9E0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Craig Jenkins.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Craig Jenkins.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Jenkins;Craig;;; FN:Craig Jenkins ORG:Round Rock Church of Christ TITLE:Youth & Family Minister TEL;WORK;VOICE:(512) 255-5331 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(512) 244-2735 ADR;WORK:;;1200 N. Georgetown Street;Round Rock;Texas;78664;United = States of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:1200 N. 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