From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #513 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 513 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) [t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Th] Joni/Massive Attack (NJC) [t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne)] Re: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Klein (the big one) gets away [catman ] Tom & Joni ["John M. Lind" ] San Francisco (NJC!) [Ashara@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Klein (the big one) gets away [Susan Chaloner ] Joni & Tom ptII ["John M. Lind" ] Marcel off the list until Jan 1 [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Tom & Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Tom & Joni ["John M. Lind" ] ! ! ! Happy Hanukkah [IVPAUL42@aol.com] more top artists [Linda Worster ] Re: Tom & Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] 3 CDs for a buck (NJC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Klein (the big one) gets away [catman ] NJC:late responses [catman ] NJC:Films [catman ] Re: It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas [Bounced Message ] Re: NJC:late responses ["Janis" ] Re: Top 5 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: cable joni [Mike Friedman ] Re: (NJC) Klein (the big one) gets away [Susan Chaloner ] Bye Bye [Anne Madden ] Re: Girly Guile ["Eric Taylor" ] ABSOLUTLY FREE PERSONALIZED POST-IT NOTES! (NJC unless you choose to put her name on these) [Bounced Me] NJC - Outrage (fwd) [Bounced Message ] It's Catman's Day Today!!!!!!!1 ["Wally Kairuz" ] Thanks Marian NJC ["Tube" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:25:33 +1000 From: t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne) Subject: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) I'm sorry but, there is no way I could restrict it to just 5 albums so, here's my top 10 albums of all time: 1. Brother's keeper - Neville Brothers. Songs from another culture that touch the emotional strings. I know nothing of racial prejudice or a Christian God but, the emotion is understood. The harmonies and the musical talent of these brothers are evident on this album in particular. 2. Hejira - Joni Mitchell. How do you choose one album to sum up an inspirational career? Hejira came into being in a period of transtition and is the culmination of everything until then and a look at a future unfolding. The lyrics are as strong as ever, weaving visual stories and learning lessons. Musically, this album is based in the simple folk roots yet, introduces us to the new vehicle to come - jazz. Refreshing, comfortable and deep. 3. Filigree and Shadow - This Mortal Coil. A showcase of the British label, 4AD. The choice of songs is enough but, the variety of styles coming together on this album was a landmark in music for me. There is nobody that this album could not appeal to. From soaring violins to screaming guitars, from grunge sounds to funky dance beats, this album has it all and more - atmosphere. 4. Secrets of The Beehive - David Sylvian. This was the highlight of david Sylvian's career. Lyrically, only Joni can surpass it. Just the right mix of acoustic genius and technical imagination. 5. Rumours - Fleetwood Mac. The classic. This was a landmark album for a lot of people and established Stevie Nicks as the lyrical goddess she is. 6. Dark Side of The Moon - Pink Floyd. The wizards of British rock. This is their finest hour. Dark Side of The Moon has ambient moodiness and political comment all wrapped up in a contiuous journey of music. 7. Wild Seed, Wild Flower - Dionne Farris. The unsung heroine of folk rock of the '90s. The best thing Dionne Farris ever did was to leave Arrested Development. She found a new voice of her own and discovered she can hold a candle up to the best of them. When a person can make you unearth your deepest fears and question established beliefs, devotion naturally follows (ie Joni Mitchell). 8. Little Earthquakes - Tori Amos. The personal pain on this album deserves the greatest respect and admiration. Tori Amos couldn't help being from the time she is from and, whether or not she is heavily influenced by Joni Mitchell (as has been suggested) her words are very personal and a new perspective is gained. 9. Another Pond - Not Drowning, Waving. The quiet seers of Australian folk rock. David Bridie's lyrics are worthy of gentle respect as much as any woman with a guitar. Sensitive to the geological landscape and sensitive to the human landscape, he and his collegues can weave emotional stories with the best of them. Simple songs, simple stories, performed with love. 10.I Had a Green Heart... - Martha's Vineyard. The only album recorded by the Perth based folk rock band. It is a treasure. Peggy van Zalm's lyrics can still be heard on her solo albums but, this combination will never be heard again. These guys knew just how to enhance these lyrics with moody interactions and sounds. The song, Old Beach Road can set up feelings of melancholoy, no matter where you are from and Shadow and Time Will Fly will can spin you from despair to inspiration in minutes. Thanks for the indulgence. NP: Maria - Jane Siberry ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:26:31 +1000 From: t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne) Subject: Joni/Massive Attack (NJC) >Really! How can anyone who likes Joni also like Massive Attack and Elvis Costello?> Well, here's another big fan of both Joni AND Massive Attack. I have just put a deposit down on their new singles anthology - AU$140.00. Can't wait for the guest appearence I'm hoping she'll do with them. Mark Canberra ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:37:25 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) In a message dated 12/15/98 5:26:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, t3100171@student.anu.edu.au writes: << I'm sorry but, there is no way I could restrict it to just 5 albums so, here's my top 10 albums of all time: >> Why is it some people feel they don't have to play by the rules? Especially some 24-year-old. Doesn't he know most of us have heard twice as many albums as he has? Paul I (putting on my flame-retardant suit) NP: G&I Gershwin (from Great American Songwriters series) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:56:08 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC) Klein (the big one) gets away Susan Chaloner wrote: > Phil Klein wrote: > > > > Great! I hope you're loaded 'cause unless your name is Larry le grande > boom-boom Klein and/or you have a bent fireman, Susan-you can keep Klien but please can I have the bent fireman? > I'm charging a > Chartreuse Versace per minute ;~D > > Susan L.A. > Honey McBabe-"...I was free in Paris..."-JoniM with world reduction grin> - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:13:48 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Best Albums of All Time (VLJC) Author: IVPAUL42@aol.com at fdinet Date: 12/15/98 5:37 AM In a message dated 12/15/98 5:26:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, t3100171@student.anu.edu.au writes: << I'm sorry but, there is no way I could restrict it to just 5 albums so, here's my top 10 albums of all time: >> Why is it some people feel they don't have to play by the rules? Especially some 24-year-old. Doesn't he know most of us have heard twice as many albums as he has? Paul I (putting on my flame-retardant suit) NP: G&I Gershwin (from Great American Songwriters series) Paul - no flames from me! I agree with you. The challenge was to come up with a top 5. I especially like the lists with 2/3 records tied for each slot. I guess it's no big deal really, it's kinda like "Speed Limit 65" - you know they don't intend to enforce the rule. Maybe when Les goes to tally up the records he'll disqualify those who listed more than 5... Bob NP: Carly Simon "Danny Boy" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:19:40 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Cry Cry Cry (NJC) Marilune wrote: AY YI YIPPIE YIPPIE YI YAY ....i mean CRY CRY CRY at the Troubadour, December 13th, 1998 Mariana, thanks for your review - it was great, these guys come to Greenville fairly often, I'll have to check them out... i know the ropes totally now, so i felt perfectly comfortable taking posters off the walls. my friend looked at me sort of horrified like, "are we allowed to do this?" the proprieters like you to do it though...what are they gonna do with the posters after the show's over? so instead of pay four dollars at the merchendise spot in the bar, i just took the for free. my favorites are the ones with the dates. First it was picking flowers from someone else's yard, now it's blatant property destruction & theft!! What's this next generation coming to?? ;~D next up: sarah, los lobos, jackson browne, bonnie raitt, and keb mob Keb "Mob"? When I saw him, he was a solo act - I guess he's got a backup group now...;~D (I'm just teasin' with ya gal) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:38:17 -0500 From: Claud.Loren.Carter@ccMail.Census.Gov Subject: It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas Hello again, I promised to post when I had news about the arrival of my quest to obtain a Joni lithograph. Well, it arrived at the neighbor's house yesterday. The lady from Warner Bros called me at work to find out if it had arrived (she had shipped it with a Saturday delivery). I walked to my neighbor's after I parked in the driveway, looked at the package, opened it, and actually laid a hand on it. It is quite lovely artwork. Since I don't have the ability to draw a straight line even using a ruler, I really am in awe of those who can. All that is left for me to do is to decide upon something incredibly appropriate for Ms. Warner Brothers. When I walked into the house last night I was wearing a sh?t eating grin. After being quizzed by my wife, I finally told her that her extra special present had arrived and I had laid a hand on it. She said that she would have to go to the neighbor's house for coffee and snoop around. All through dinner, she attempted to guess what it is. A tree (weeping willow, rubber tree, bamboo, Joshua tree (after our son), a Wye Oak (the MD state tree, 250-300 years old)), a plant, a food processor, a this, a that, eventually she quessed a Joni lithograph, but just a quickly said that one of those would be too expensive to purchase. I always replied, "I can neither confirm nor deny" to all of her guesses. I told her that if she really wanted the gift now, I would give it to her, but she's gonna have to wait. We bought an 8 ft tree last night, got it set up. Decorations are tonight. It's cold here in DC (after being 78 just one week ago!) down to the 20s last night. This Christmas season is already looking good for the Carter household. I can't wait. Damm 40 years old, and giddy like a schoolboy. Some model for my 2 year old son, huh? Well, I guess I'll do some work now. Thanks to all who helped me complete my quest. It feels so good when a plan comes together. Loren......... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:28:04 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) In a message dated 13/12/98 21:19:41, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << Susan, I agree with you. Though it escapes me now, there must be a term that is the couterpart to hypochondriac that describes a doctor who persists in diagosing illnesses where none exists! Paul I >> There is indeed, or pretty close: Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy! Sounds like a made up disease, but there are diagnosed cases. It can have tragic effects if it occurs in someone in the medical profession. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:27:59 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Personal Top 5 ever -Reply In a message dated 13/12/98 06:47:49, MmeDido@aol.com writes: << 1) flamenco sketches - miles davis 2) you don't love me when I cry - laura nyro 3) spring can really hang you up the most - betty carter 4) god must be a boogie man - joni mitchell 5) chain of fools - aretha franklin >> "You Don't Love Me When I Cry" - what a fantastic song - you have great taste Madame Dido! Laura was unique, and amongst her many other gifts was her ability to create songs with virtually nothing in them, like this one. Even more minimalist is "Been On A Train" from "Christmas and the Beads of Sweat", the third in her genius trilogy, all written and released in her late teens/early 20s. What a woman. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 98 11:13:34 EST From: Kai Wong Subject: Another List! Best Movies 98 (NJC) My Top 5 for 1998 1. Gods and Monsters (profoundly moving, Best Actor: Ian McKellen) 2. Central Station (Best Actress: Fernanda Montenegro) 3. Happiness (great follow-up to Dollhouse) 4. Shakespeare in Love (Joseph Fienes as Willy the Shake) 5. Steam Disappointments 1. What Dreams May Come (Worst script of the year) 2. Pecker (John Waters is lost without Divine) 3. Living Out Loud (The trailer was far better) 4. Something About Mary 5. Welcome to Woop Woop (very disappointing follow-up to Priscilla) Kai ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:32:27 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Tom & Joni Bob M.(in SC) wrote concerning "Jersey Girl" >Holly Cole also does a nice version on her all Tom Waits cover album. OK here's a thread: If Tom Waits did an album of all Joni songs and Joni did an album of all Waits songs what should the play lists be? I'm going to wait until I have time to sort through all the possibilities before submitting my list but I wanted to get the idea out while it's still fresh John~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:28:17 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: San Francisco (NJC!) I am thinking of going out to the San Francisco area in February. Any listers in that area that would want to keep a Yankee gal company for a spell, and show me around? I forget who lives where, and would love some company if I decide to do this. If you are interested, please e-mail me privately. Thanks!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:47:57 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: (NJC) Klein (the big one) gets away catman wrote: > Susan-you can keep Klien but please can I have the bent fireman? My dear Catman, I see no way of separating the bent fireman from Klein without castrating him...GOOD GRIEF!! Unthinkable! Sorry love...I MUST have my studs intact ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe- "Cookin' at the Plugged Nickel" with Miles Davis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:51:28 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Tom & Joni Very cool thread, John...I will definitely respond but will do a little research first - I can guarantee that "A Soldier's things" will be on my "Joni does Tom" list & "Blue Motel Room" (Modified appropriately) will be on my "Tom does Joni" list... Bob M> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Tom & Joni Author: "John M. Lind" at fdinet Date: 12/15/98 12:32 PM Bob M.(in SC) wrote concerning "Jersey Girl" >Holly Cole also does a nice version on her all Tom Waits cover album. OK here's a thread: If Tom Waits did an album of all Joni songs and Joni did an album of all Waits songs what should the play lists be? I'm going to wait until I have time to sort through all the possibilities before submitting my list but I wanted to get the idea out while it's still fresh John~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:08:32 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Tom & Joni Shiver Me Timbers is my favorite Tom Waits song. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:17:09 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Joni & Tom ptII OK, after minutes of grueling research ;-) my list is: Tom Waits: Cactus Tree For Free The Last Time I Saw Richard Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire Free Man In Paris Edith & The Kingpin Furry Sings The Blues Otis & Marlene God Must Be A Boogie Man The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Moon At The Window Ethiopia The Crazy Cries Of Love Joni: Looks Like I'm Up Shit Creek Again New Coat Of Paint Shiver Me Timbers Diamonds On My Winshield Step Right Up Small Change Foreign Affair On The Nickel Mr Seigel In The Neighborhood Downtown Train A Little Rain I Don't Wanna Grow Up John~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:26:28 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Marcel off the list until Jan 1 I am taking the family to France to visit my wifes family for Christmas so I will be unreachable should anyone want to send me anything. I get about 500 emails a day and so in order to not p-o my server I'm disconnecting from all email until JAN1 beginning this sunday after 6pm/. To all of you who have contacted me as well as all the Jonilisters in the last year I wish you all the best health, wealth and prosperity in the coming year. My big project next year is do go into my studio and do a joni-cover album. Allacoustic. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:50:23 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom & Joni In a message dated 12/15/98 2:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: << I can guarantee that "A Soldier's things" will be on my "Joni does Tom" list & "Blue Motel Room" (Modified appropriately) will be on my "Tom does Joni" list... >> I likethis one, too. I'll add Harry's House to Tom's cover album of Joni and Semi-Suite to Joni's cover album of Tom. The songs are similar in theme, differ in class/location. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:05:53 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: Tom & Joni At 02:50 PM 12/15/98 EST, Paul I wrote: >I likethis one, too. >I'll add Harry's House to Tom's cover album of Joni >and Semi-Suite to Joni's cover album of Tom. >The songs are similar in theme, differ in class/location. Yeah, I had Harry's House in my original list but I decided to cut it down to approxomate single disc length. John~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:59:02 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: ! ! ! Happy Hanukkah Three candles will be lit tonight when Jacob comes to stay, It's his first night with me during this miraculous holiday. We have some songs to sing and with dreidels we will play. We wish you happy and well on your favorite holiday. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:13:17 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: more top artists >I knew I couldn't do no damn Top 5 List and leave it at that!!! > >Don > Me neither. I love the various conversations sparked by this thread and that we are all hearing about new music from people with somewhat similar taste. I mean... I take anybody JUST a little more seriously when they are into Joni... Have you heard Jane Siberry? Especially "Bound by the Beauty", "When I was a Boy", and "The Walking?" Bruce Cockburn is great too. Johnny Clegg and Savuka- Esp. "Cruel, Crazy, Beautiful World" How about the Roches? Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:42:13 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Tom & Joni In a message dated 12/15/98 3:10:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, jml@amweaver.com writes: << >I likethis one, too. >I'll add Harry's House to Tom's cover album of Joni >and Semi-Suite to Joni's cover album of Tom. >The songs are similar in theme, differ in class/location. Yeah, I had Harry's House in my original list but I decided to cut it down to approxomate single disc length. John~ >> Well, one I would have cut immediately from your list is Cactus Tree. I don't see that as one of the top 50 choices for Tom. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:17:46 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: 3 CDs for a buck (NJC) No gimmicks. I received mine already. No sales tax. Shipping is free. There are only ~100 CDs to choose from, but you can certainly find three that you would be willing to pay 33 cents each for. The new ones from Lauren Hill, Alanis Morrisette, Sarah Mac are offered, but alas, no Joni. http://promo.800.com/MusicZone/PromoList.htm The servers are overloaded so you may need to order at odd hours. Happy Holidays to all. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:28:28 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: (NJC) Klein (the big one) gets away But susan, if you can't separate them what earthly good would they be to you? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:28:35 +0000 From: catman Subject: cable joni sorry but I didn't tape this nor did i see it. I wasn't here the weekend due to circumstances beyond my control. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:28:32 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC:late responses Okay I am not staying here for now so have very limited access to my pc. We know the bastards upstairs are being moved but don't know when. I know I owe people replies-please be patient-I have saved them all and will reply. I am okay but still struggling with the murderous desire. In 35mins I shall be 40 and am wondering if I will feel like a grownup. 40 is a grown up age isn't it? A proper adult? bw colin - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:29:17 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC:Films 1. SOMETHING ABOUT MARY (the funniest film I have ever seen) 2. Contact 3. Elizabeth 4. Blade 5. The Castle worst: Good Will Hunting - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:03:01 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas From: Claud.Loren.Carter@ccMail.Census.Gov Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:06:38 -0500 Aw, shucks (here I would fill in your name but I don't know what it is), Just this morning I called the Vermont Teddy Bear Company and sent this fine Warner Brothers lady a Mistletoe bear. Hopefully it will get to her before Christmas. On the card I said (paraphrasing here): "Thank you for finding such a wonderful gift for my wife, it will be a great Christmas present, and thanks for helping to make this Christmas special. If you ever return to the DC area (she'd mentioned that she'd just been here), you have a standing dinner invite. Thanks, Loren.... And she's gonna be getting a card, picture, and a letter to her boss. She's (Elane Geller @ Warner Bros) deserving of some accolades also. My wife is truly deserving of all that I can do for her. She has given us a beautiful little son (everyone says he's smart and hs excellent language skills for his age (just turned 2 on Dec 1st)). I'll never be able to repay her for Joshua, but I'm gonna keep trying!! Don't give up on finding that special person. He'll/She'll (since I don't know your name I won't make assumptions) turn in the strangest places at the strangest times. I don't think that I'm that special. I feel lucky to have her. Loren...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:52:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark T. Klempner" Subject: Top 5 I've been enjoying everybody's top 5 lists. I can't pick mine, but I do have a few comments. "Songs in the Key of Life": Stevie Wonder People have been including Stevie on their lists, but not this title. I think it's his best: Sir Duke, Love's in Need of Love Today, If It's Magic, and the one that starts, "Lookin' back at when I/was a little nappy headed boy." ! What an amazing album. Also: has anyone heard "The Source" by Osamu Kitajima. It's one of my favorite instrumental albums of all time. Like a Japanese garden: every note in its place. "Alone But Never Alone" by Larry Carlton is a great acoustic guitar album. Pristine, melodic guitar. It's very mellow and positive, like Pat Methany in certain ways. "Begin Sweet World" by Richard Stolzman is another great instrumental album: very melodic. "The Big Huge" and "The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter" by the Incredible String Band. These are both great albums, highly creative, one of a kind. The ISB's performances back then were legendary. Robin Williamson and Mike Heron. Williamson has became a really fine Celtic bard/storyteller/harpist. Still performs around in small venues. Anybody ever listen to Tim Hardin??? Mark in Chapel Hill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:03:08 -0600 From: "Janis" Subject: Re: NJC:late responses Happy Birthday to you, happy birthday to you! Happy birthday dear Colin, Happy birthday to you!!! Your not getting older, you are getting better! Cheers from Miss J in Texas :-) - -----Original Message----- From: catman To: jmdl Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 5:31 PM Subject: NJC:late responses >Okay I am not staying here for now so have very limited access to my pc. >We know the bastards upstairs are being moved but don't know when. >I know I owe people replies-please be patient-I have saved them all and >will reply. I am okay but still struggling with the murderous desire. >In 35mins I shall be 40 and am wondering if I will feel like a grownup. >40 is a grown up age isn't it? A proper adult? >bw >colin > >-- > >CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html >TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS >http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:29:35 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 5 In a message dated 12/15/98 6:56:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, klempner@email.unc.edu writes: << "Songs in the Key of Life": Stevie Wonder People have been including Stevie on their lists, but not this title. I think it's his best: Sir Duke, Love's in Need of Love Today, If It's Magic, and the one that starts, "Lookin' back at when I/was a little nappy headed boy." ! What an amazing album. >> While I agree that "Songs in the Key of Life" is an excellent album by Stevie, I would rate "Innervisions," "Talking Book" and "Fulfillingness First Finale" ahead of it. Now those three are an amazing trilogy by the Wonderman. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:44:03 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: cable joni This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------F0BED4234134B0E5D0E4D550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit catman wrote: > sorry but I didn't tape this nor did i see it. I wasn't here the weekend > due to circumstances beyond my control. > > -- Colin, can you use an American NSTC tape? I'd be glad to dub you off a copy and send it to you, but I fear it woudln't work in your VCR, unless you know someone who has an NSTC setup, or at least a VCR to copy to PAL for you. Mike - --------------F0BED4234134B0E5D0E4D550 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikef1.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Friedman Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikef1.vcf" begin:vcard n:Friedman;Mike x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:mikef1@jps.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Mike Friedman end:vcard - --------------F0BED4234134B0E5D0E4D550-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:52:16 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: (NJC) Klein (the big one) gets away catman wrote: > > But susan, if you can't separate them what earthly good would they be to > you? Catman HAPPY BIRTHDAY boy, you are too cute! :~) What earthly good would he be to me without a 'bent fireman?' He wouldn't be able dance a hole in my stockings ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...We love our lovin' but not like we love our freedom..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:34:54 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Girly guile and guts At 02:24 PM 12/12/98 -0800, Kakki wrote: >I wonder if 10 or 20 years from now Sarah, Natalie, etc. >will have her (Joni's) guts to take a stance >for originality. I've been thinking about this for a couple of days and don't believe that these artists will be as uncompromising as Joni has been when it comes to her musical creations. Joni has always been an "artist" first; she has rarely been swayed by producers, managers, record company execs, and others who may have wanted her to alter her style for the sake of selling more records or to be more popular with a particular demographic. And I'm not accusing Sarah or Natalie of selling out, rather, taking into account more than Joni ever would the desires of the industry people, and letting this influence their artistic choices. I personally love Sarah's heavily-layered and produced sound, but I believe she is much more acceding to recording studio personnel than Joni is. Ani may be the exception--she does seem to possess the "guts" to stand up and be true to herself (but should not do so in the guise of a journalist :-) Part of the problem in remaining true to your muse must be economic. It's Catch 22 because the record companies won't usually continue to support a musician who's sales are not up to a certain level. So the artist gets caught trying to mine a particular style which may or may not be their *real* idea of how they want to express themselves, musically, or literally, through the media. I'm just glad that Joni still shows no signs whatsoever of caving in to the "alligators gnashing" at her and in fact is combative of the industry in general, as evidenced by her latest release, Taming the Tiger, in which she continues her flippant "kiss my ass" attitude, which was started, according to someone on this list (hi Kakki!), as far back as For The Roses. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:32:37 -0500 From: Anne Madden Subject: Bye Bye Bob Muller wrote: << So why do the people who protest about NJC or the quality of the messages never post themselves? Nicholas Bates? Excuse me? Did he even post once? I read everything and have no recollection of him!! So sorry we didn't live up to his "superior" expectations :~) Yeah, bye, bye Mr. Bates - don't let the door hitcha on the way out... Bob M. in SC >> Bob, Well said, I couldn't agree more!!! If we start to dictate what people should and shouldn't write about on this list we could be here a long time! Then there is Nicholas:- > Am I alone in thinking a) most of the information on this discussion > group is boring and b) there is too much NJC content? > > After just a week on the list I am uns.ubscribing so that I can free up > my server for things of interest and inteligence. Maybe if Ms Mitchell > was actually a contributer to this group if would actually be worth > tuning in to. Nicholas, take a pill or lighten up. What might be boring to you could well be of interest to others! Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:53:35 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Girly Guile Hello Joni Lovers! I just returned from another wonderful week on Lake Erie (Fredonia, NY) and digested five JMDL's. My head is swimming but I would like to comment on several things. First, I loved the Top Five Poll! Now I have to go and spend hundreds of dollars to buy dozens of records. Why? Because I trust the taste of anyone who gets into Joni (my first purchase will be Ferron). Last night I went to the local college bar, BJ's, and struck up a conversation with the DJ, complimenting him on his taste in music. Out of the blue he mentioned how much he loved Seal's duet with Joni. (I swear I didn't mention that she is my favorite musician!) For the next hour we talked Joni. His favorites are Amelia-Pat's Solo-Hejira from Shadows And Light & Turbulent Indigo. He hasn't heard Taming The Tiger yet but when I warned him that it was her mellowest work to date his eyes lit up. I think I'm in love.... As for "Genuine junkfood for juveniles" -- to me this is the most powerful lyric on TTT. Taken in context Joni is talking about her listening experience "up and down the dial." She is obviously not referring to the profound music of Bjork, McLachlan and Apple. Rather I think she is singing about the Garbage pop radio plays to death. And I would add to that list: Help Me... E.T. NP: Bjork, Homogenic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:27:12 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: ABSOLUTLY FREE PERSONALIZED POST-IT NOTES! (NJC unless you choose to put her name on these) From: mann@chicagonet.net Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:39:50 -0600 IT'S FREEBIE TIME AGAIN!!! This is just such a GREAT offer I hope no one minds me sharing this with ya'll. I hope alot of you take advantage of this. I did this earlier in the year when it was offered and just did this again (it was much easier this time and I was more creative....haha). You can get 10 pads of post-it notes, personalized, FREE. No postage either......you may think you will be charged postage ....but at the last check-out page you won't ....be sure and put the words SORRY in the coupon box (to ensure FREE postage). Also they want you to take 2 really short surveys during the process and at the end. http://www4.iprint.com/cgi-shl/showinfo.cgi?raw=116&ID=473217&date=98%3A12%3 A15%3A18%3A18%3A52&shop=100 Also FREE of charge...you can pick the color of the ink and the color of the post-it. You can be pretty creative too....if you want to be. In about a week you'll get a little box with 10 post-it pads with your graphic of choice and personalized. C'mon.......we need these to remind us of important JONI stuff....you know like remember to use that FREE coupon at musicblvd for FREE Joni CDs, etc!!! Have fun!! Laura p.s. I did have some trouble getting on (must be busy) but after about three trys I got right in. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:26:14 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: NJC - Outrage (fwd) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:29:07 -0500 (EST) Sender: Mark Klempner If you have not yet contacted your Member of Congress or wish to do more, go to http://www.moveon.org/actions.htm. Also, Moveon.org is holding a press conference in D.C. on Wednesday. For more information, look up http://www.moveon.org/release1216.htm In the next 48 hours, several public demonstrations of impeachment opposition are planned. ****** PRAYER VIGIL IN WASHINGTON D.C. ****** ****** THURSDAY, DECEMBER 17th 10am - 2pm ****** ****** WEST STEPS OF THE US CAPITOL ****** The main event will be a prayer vigil on the west steps of the Capitol on Thurday from 10am to 2pm. This event will include "the Rev. Jesse Jackson, Congressional Leaders, ministers of all faith, state and local elected officials, and civil rights and non-profit organizations." Most groups I've talked to have endorsed this event as the primary anti-impeachment event before the House vote. MoveOn.org will be represented, and we encourage you to attend if you can. More information can be found at http://www.rainbowpush.org. The good news is PEOPLE DO CARE. In the last week more than 200,000 phone calls to Congress from constituents went to Congress on our 1-877-TO-MOVEON line. The Capitol Switchboard has been constantly swamped. In the same period, we've delivered over 500,000 emails to Congress. 25,000 new people are signing the "Censure and Move On" petition every day. 40,000 individual letters came into our "swingvotes@list.moveon.org" address, completely swamping the House email servers. We've calculated that the House servers simply cannot accept even half that load in the time remaining this week, so we are discontinuing "swingvotes" email -- and sending any messages to "swingvotes" directly to the Speaker of the House Bob Livingston. Sorry -- the House needs to buy more servers. Perhaps we should go back to telegrams. No joke. People For the American Way has set up a special Western Union Opinion-Gram toll-free number. It is: 1-800-593-2790. They will send an anti-impeachment telegram to your representative and bill you $6.50 on your phone bill. **** SEND A TELEGRAM TO CONGRESS **** **** SPECIAL ANTI-IMPEACHMENT OPINION-GRAM NUMBER: 1-800-593-2790 **** **** WESTERN UNION CHARGE: $6.50 **** Keep up the great work. Your voice is being heard. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 02:38:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: It's Catman's Day Today!!!!!!!1 HAPPY BIRTHDAY, COLIN! I LOVE YOU AND I WISH YOU THE BEST!!!!!!!!!! WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:31:32 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Free Post-Its Update (NJC....unless you customize it to say JM NEVER LIES!) If you can't get thru on the first address I posted. Try this one: http://www4.iprint.com/cgi-shl/showinfo.cgi?raw=116 The page you come to should say the following with a picture of a yellow post-it note:: ************************************************************************** iPrint Special Offer: 10 PADS of POST-IT® NOTES for FREE! *************************************************************************** Sorry if anyone had difficulties. Also if it asks for your credit card number go ahead and press the prompt............but then you should not have to give any credit card info........you should just continue with a balance, including shipping, of $0.00 Remember to put the word Sorry when you click on the "Coupon Number" box. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:13:16 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Bye Bye >Then there is Nicholas:- > >> Am I alone in thinking a) most of the information on this discussion >> group is boring and b) there is too much NJC content? >> >> After just a week on the list I am uns.ubscribing so that I can free up >> my server for things of interest and inteligence. Maybe if Ms Mitchell >> was actually a contributer to this group if would actually be worth >> tuning in to. I think Old Nicky is a joker, a jester and a poker - c'mon, there has never been a newbie who knew what NJC meant after only one week on the list! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:01:56 +0100 From: "Tube" Subject: Thanks Marian NJC Marian wrote: >I just wanted to let everyone know that I completed the cookbook and >sent it to Wally on Monday. Sounds like a lot of work Marian - Well done. Stuff like that sounds simple, but even with word-processors and ready-made binders like we have today, it can be a real headache collocating and collating a pile of written material into an attractive package. I just KNOW you got a slight headache at one point didn't you! Y'know, that "What the heck have I got myself into here, I wish I'd never said I'd do it" feeling... But I can tell from your words that you made it with love, so I bet it looks fab. I just can't believe you included my lame excuses for recipes in there! Heck they weren't even English - My flatmate's girlfriend from Minneapolis taught us how to do the french toast back in the eighties. I guess recipes, like favours, go around the world till they come back to you. Adam (Tube) ____________________________________________ Get a Life - Get a Romelife! - www.pronet.it/romelife ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #513 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?