From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #511 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, December 14 1998 Volume 03 : Number 511 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 80's music [evian ] top 5 [davidmarine@webtv.net (David Marine)] Joni on my mind [Adriano Lucatello ] Re: Colin's violent neighbor ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Songs That Don't Wear Out ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni on the radio in America ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: "I am a child of the 80s, and for that I must pay....." (NJC) [Jason ] Re: Joni with Jewel? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Songs That Don't Wear Out [Mark Domyancich ] For The Roses pictures [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Colin's violent neighbor (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) [luvart@snet.net] Re: Songs That Don't Wear Out (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) [LRFye@aol.com] Martin Simpson (JC) [Ashara@aol.com] (NJC) Joan Baez [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Joan Baez [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) [Susan Chaloner ] Re: More Girly Guile (with some TTT now thrown in at a tangent) [Jason Ma] Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Re: Songs That Don't Wear Out (NJC) [Marilune@aol.com] Re: Re: Joni with Jewel? [Marilune@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #510 [Bounced Message ] bye bye [Bounced Message ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #510 [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Facelift T-Shirt [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Lyrics and Sunlight [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:23:01 -0600 From: evian Subject: 80's music > "I am a child of the 80s, and for that I must pay....." - My all-time Top 5 (NJC) > Damn, this is why these lists are so tough to make. 80's music is my favorite, and although I didn't list most of these albums, they are still so very important to me and close to my heart. Scritti Polliti's "Cupid and Psyche 85" is amazing, especially "Wood Beez" and "Absolute". Also, I made a big error in not including Peter Gabriel's "So" in my runners up! Also, "Human's Lib" is still one I listen to often, along with "Lexicon of Love". In fact, the majority of my cds are 80's music. I also forgot to mention the Eurythmic's "Revenge" as one of my faves, and I don't know how I forgot because I listen to it constantly. Berlin's "Lovelife" album is still great, and Talk Talk's greatest hits is constantly playing in my car. Also, the Plimsouls are one band who has stood the test of time. Jason and I have talked about how much we love the 80's before. Is there anyone else out there who is still into the 80's as well? Maybe it is because this music reminds me of my teen years, but 80's new wave and funk is my favorite stuff to listen to. Cheers, Evian np: getting into the 80's thing with "IOU" by Freez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: davidmarine@webtv.net (David Marine) Subject: top 5 tonight, i'll go with: 1. Hejira -- Joni (hands down) 2. Fulfillingness' First Finale -- Stevie Wonder 3. Aja -- Steely Dan 4. I Cant Help It -- Betty Carter 5. Naughty -- Chaka Khan david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:33:54 +0200 From: Adriano Lucatello Subject: Joni on my mind This year 1998 is getting to the end and I delurch again to tell you, friends of spirit, few pleasant things that happened to me and had a Joni's content... First of all, I converted my boss, who is now on friendly terms with me, to Joni's music! She asked me one day: Which JM music would you recommend? I know you are a fan of her and maybe you could help me there... I immediately gave her a copy of Hejira as a present! Two weeks later she was ordering a copy of Taming the Tiger... I know she hasn't joined the digest list yet but this is a beginning of something new and unexpected... ;-) Last week I was at a local Christmas fair with my family in search for gifts and we casually stopped at one stand which was showing some nice and cheap jewelry, the owners were listening to some good Italian music and I lingered for a long while asking some informations about who was singing this and that (I heard a beautiful Lara Fabian's song for the first time on her tape)... till the lady, noticing my interest, popped out the tape, gave it to me and said: "OK, since you are so keen on this music, you may borrow it, duplicate it and bring it back sometime this week before we move to another town..." I was so pleased and said that I would make a tape for her with some selection of my choice and give it to her as a present for her kindness... That evening I said to my wife that I was tempted to put some a lot of JM music on that but I restrained from that and managed to place only a couple of her songs on it (taken from TTT). The morning after I gave her the tape with included the list of songs... the first thing the lady said was: "Wow, Joni Mitchell!" That was totally unexpected too! I hope to meet this couple again, maybe next year at the same fair... Yesterday I went to a record shop to get some music, the latest disco compilation for my daughter (we have many things in common!), some Ella Fitzgerald's and the latest Patty Pravo's production (do you know her?), the lady attendant was helping me locating some Ella's songs I liked to purchase when a man asked her: "Where can I find some "John" Mitchell's cd's? I don't know this artist, he's a man or what? I am looking for his latest cd as a present for a friend..." I immediately jumped up and explained to him who was Joni and which gender she was! The record shop didn't have the cd on stock yet (but at least they knew very well who she was!), the guy needed the cd for the weekend so I offered him my own copy of TTT (which I have received from CD Now... thanks to the advance order I placed!) and have reordered another copy for myself which my newly made friend will pay for me. In the meantime I keep on listening to the copy I reversed on my precious MiniDisk... It's amazing how Joni and music, generally speaking, can bring people together! Well, that's all from my side of the world... have a warm and loving Christmas Holiday and may the New Year fulfill all your wishes (or at least some)! Adriano ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 05:44:37 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Colin's violent neighbor There's an expression over here in America. "There is safety in numbers." It means start a co-op building of gays. How bout that? - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 05:38:32 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Songs That Don't Wear Out I can listen to "Walk Like An Egyptian" on infinite repeat for an hour at a time and enjoy it each time..... More of a _confession_ than a recomendation I suppose..... - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** "A man will *rust* out before he *wears* out." Harlan Sanders who was the "colonel" behind Kentucky Fried Chicken. Quick question: What famous resturaanteur was an early franchisee in the KFC chain? A: Dave Thomas of "Wendy's". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:05:06 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on the radio in America My father heard one of the Joni tracks from the Herbie Hancock album on the local, (Rochester, New York) jazz station. But wait, there's more. Last weekend on the "Golden Road" program (a syndicated hour or so of Grateful Dead recordings from the audience each week), who do you think I heard? Joni- from the recent tour!! Way to go!! Things are looking up for the faithful, eh? Hey Susan, can I be an honorary Canuck, eh? :D - -- Grrreat news in Cincinnati Ohio, USA, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Great news, Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:10:47 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: "I am a child of the 80s, and for that I must pay....." (NJC) Lori, Thank you for your comments and suggestions in reply to my Top 5 post. > for a terrific '80s album -- how about > checking out Joni's Dog Eat Dog, if you haven't done so already? Yes, I do have DED, and I love it, though it would rank behind NRH, Hejira and TI in my list of joni faves. It would still be among my top 50 albums of all-time, however. I've just remembered that I omitted two Don Henley albums from my list (damn!)....I always think of DED and Building The Perfect Beast as kind of related (as Don Rowe pointed out a while ago on the list). I also loved his End Of The Innocence album. Oh, and I've just spotted an error in my original posting....the second Peter Gabriel album I listed (in the just bubbling under section), should've read "Us", not "So" (which I'd already included in my top 5!). Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:54:55 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni with Jewel? I will definitely go since I'll be 18 by then, and the parents will be pretty slack by then... At 9:42 PM -0500 12/12/98, LRFye@aol.com wrote: > Who's up for it? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:58:28 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Songs That Don't Wear Out Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (the song) will never wear out. At 5:38 AM -0500 12/13/98, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I can listen to "Walk Like An Egyptian" on infinite repeat for an hour > at a time and enjoy it each time..... More of a _confession_ than a > recomendation I suppose..... ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:51:19 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: For The Roses pictures Kakki wrote: >She has also spoken of the >painting she did for the album showing a horse's backside that she wanted >for a billboard on Sunset Blvd. Geffen would not go along with it. That's interesting. There seems to have been a number of different For The Roses paintings that were not used for the album sleeve. The For The Roses songbook cover had a horse painting which included her "fishbowl" theme to express her distaste for the "music biz". Also the review copies of the record may have had a different cover because Penny Valentine wrote in a review in Sounds : "As the eye travels across - slap in the middle of this canvas is a massive pile. As obtrusive as though the painter had hated its peace and beauty, its calm and added her own morbid touch .........A pile of refuse - of old motel signs, of lost souls, of broken guitars, cracked dreams, faded love letters, blunt needles and redundant talent. This is the canvas that Joni Mitchell has used for her new album For the Roses." Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:33:01 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Colin's violent neighbor (NJC) Jim wrote: > There's an expression over here in America. > "There is safety in numbers." > > It means start a co-op building of gays. How bout that? That works well in some cases. In San Antonio there are at least three apt buildings that are primarily gay-only. I lived in one of them for a time, and it featured a locked front lobby (common in Europe but not in the States). Except for the cars constantly parked in front that sport rainbow flags and other gay bumperstickers, a person driving by wouldn't necessarily know that it's a gay building. Actually, several elderly str8 people lived there, too, as they were there when the owner bought the then very run-down down building and he didn't require them to leave -- he simply remodeled around them. I'm sure the older residents were at first a bit shocked by some of the new tenants, but everyone got along very well and were courteous and respectful of their neighbors. And the older folks were happy that someone had come along and spiffed up their building (even though they might not have been thrilled about the pastel Miami Beach motif)! Colin, is something like this feasible for you? Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:44:43 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) At 11:50 PM 12/12/98 -0500, you wrote: <> >(For those who are thinking, "It's none of your business," I would say >that Joni's personal life has always been intertwined with her life as an >artist, and if we are going to discuss her personality, past and present >partners, taste in clothes, food, and music, then her health is fair game >as well.) OK - that's what we do on this list isn't it? We discuss all things Joni :-) More and more, whenever I read a Joni interview, I think "Are >her adrenals weak? Has she had a thyroid check? Where are her cotisol >levels?" People criticize Joni for being so negative, but it strikes me >that this is not a natural part of her personality. I don't comment on too many things on the list but, this one I thing I will. Don't you think that Joni is just plain fed up? I am by no means comparing myself to Joni but I have a parallel. In my profession, I was naive at first. Worked hard at what I loved to do and as the years past by I notice how big business just badgers a persons integrity sooo much that you start to get very weary. Your integrity doesn't give because it is strong and solid so you tend to lash back. There's a certain >brittleness about her expressions of negativity that remind me of people >with physical problems like hormonal imbalances that affect their mood. My mother is a hypochondriac. Raised us to always take medicine for this and that. Now I don't even take aspirin for a headache! Somehow, as a chemist, I don't think medicine is always the answer. >This isn't something people usually have to deal with in their younger >years, but when you are in your 50s it is not at all unusual. When >people's systems are brought back into balance it's incredible how much >better they feel. I'm ten years younger than Joni and I can understand her outlook. There are other ways for people to "balance" themselves. Massages, yoga, aromatherapy, etc. > >I'm not saying that the things Joni is saying in her interviews are >untrue, or wrong. I just wonder if those things she complains about >would have gotten to her in the same way before. It's as if she has >nothing to insulate her from all the maddening things about the record >biz. And her songs: "Lead Balloon" (which I think is a great song) is >about the kind of lack of impulse control and irritability that people >experience when stress has worn down their endocrine system. Sorry to be >talking medically about a piece of art, but that's how I hear the song >when I think about it from a medical standpoint. Well, sometimes it is better to let off steam :-) Better for your system to get it out than keep it all bottled in. Joni is doing this through her music. Wonder why we haven't seen it in her paintings (??). Yes, there are lots of >complete jerks in the biz, but there always have been and there always >will be. Why is she throwing her drink at one of them NOW? David Geffen >is a jerk, but in her twenties her musical response was to write "Free Man >in Paris." Somehow people like him didn't get to her in the same way. >When she sings the "I'm up to my neck in alligators" verse, I'm wondering, >"Why NOW? Why are you so vulnerable NOW?" I believe that people should >get more wise with age, but if their systems are blown out they can >easily become more negative, etc. Joni has gotten wiser, but also more >cantankerous. Yes. We can find jerks everywhere but traditionally women have gotten stepped on many a time. I don't see Joni as vulnerable. I think she is just plain fed up. I don't like seeing her in her cantankerous state but Joni is Joni. I accept her for the way she is. Healthwise, I would worry more about her repercussions from polio and her smoking habit. All in good Joni spirit Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:48:28 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs That Don't Wear Out (NJC) Mark D. wrote: > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (the song) will never wear out. I agree with you on that, Mark! Jim L'H. wrote: > I can listen to "Walk Like An Egyptian" on infinite repeat for an hour > at a time and enjoy it each time..... More of a _confession_ than a > recomendation I suppose..... However, Jim ... THAT has to be the queerest confession I've read on this list in a very long time! : D I think "Egyptian" wore me out the first time I heard it! Along with the B-52s' "Love Shack"... oh how I detest that song! My thoughts on songs that don't wear out: anything of Joni's, really ... and just about all Beatles tunes ... Lori San Antonio NP: KSYM (San Antonio College) radio's Sunday morning all Beatles show ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:18:58 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) Heather wrote, in response to Mark K's many interesting thoughts about Joni's health: > I don't like seeing her in her cantankerous state but Joni is Joni. I may be missing something, but I really don't view Joni as being particularly cantankerous. She's been unhappy with the music industry and its ironies and complications for a very long time; consider some of the lyrics of the song "For The Roses": In some office sits a poet And he trembles when he sings And he asks some guy To circulate his soul around ... I guess I seem ungrateful With my teeth sunk in the hand That brings me things I really can't give up just yet Now I sit up here The critic! And they introduce some band But they seem so much confetti Looking at them on my T.V. set Oh the power and the glory Just when you're getting a taste for worship They start bringing out the hammers And the boards And the nails To me, Joni has always been a bit bent out of shape about the music biz, and she's very aware of her twisted relationship with it. She doesn't like feeling that she is prostituting her poetry and music for fickle ingrates, but she loves the rewards and the fame as much as almost any of us would. As for her attitude being related to her health ... like Heather, my first thoughts ran with Joni's post-polio syndrome. Sometimes Joni is on the road and she just feels like crap -- more so than a performer of the same age who does not have a similar condition. If she's crabby on stage one night, it may be due to that. Now add to it the fact that -- although she is widely regarded as one of the musical geniuses of our time -- she still does not receive the recognition or respect that male performers of her generation receive. Her albums don't get promotion. Then she's on stage working her ass off and she gets dissed by little piss ants who are waiting for the almightly Dylan or whoever. That would anger me, too ... and, in fact, it does. Consider, too, that Joni is now 55 years old. At the age of 40, I find myself becoming less tolerant of b.s. than I was when I was 20. It happens to us all. We age and realize that our life is becoming shorter, and we just don't want to put up with the shit anymore. Lori, rambling on in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:19:39 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Martin Simpson (JC) Hello everyone! I have been hiding out, busy with life, kids, and the holiday season. I have been racking my brain trying to come up with my top 5 all time albums, but, it changes as soon as I sit down to type. I just don't think I can do this! Anyway, I went to a wonderful concert last night- Martin Simpson, an incredible guitarist, who has played in the Albion Band, as well as with members of Fairport Convention, and Steeleye Span. I have rarely seen a guitarist with such amazing talent. It was a real treat! The evening was made even more full by his mentioning Joni several times throughout his sets. The first was talking about recently meeting up with his friend, June Tabor, while she was in town for a gig. She asked him to come down and play a few songs with her for old times sake. He commented that her range had gone from about "here" (playing a chord on the higher register) to "here" (playing a much lower chord.) He said , "She was doing a Joni Mitchell". He also was talking about a wonderful musician who got out of the recording end shortly after he started because of the "music biz". "Sort of like an early Joni Mitchell- I'm outa here!" Finally he ended his entire evening with an absolutely gorgeous rendition of "A Case of You". An interesting note: He changed the words "I'm frightened by the devil, and I'm drawn to those ones who ain't afraid" to : "I'm frightened by the devil, and I'm scared to death of saints". All in all, an enjoyable evening, and it made me think of all of you. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:38:51 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: (NJC) Joan Baez My husband picked up a couple of 5th row tickets to see Joan Baez in my humble town of Bakersfield in February. I know she has a new album out. Has anyone heard it? Recommend it? I haven't really listened to her since the early days and never bought anything on CD so I guess you could say I like her but she doesn't rank super high on my list. I had a friend in high school who looked a *lot* like her and sang and played guitar *just* like her. So when I hear Joan, I think of my friend, whom (who?), I unfortunately lost track of. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:40:22 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) In a message dated 12/13/98 11:22:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << It happens to us all. We age and realize that our life is becoming shorter, and we just don't want to put up with the shit anymore. >> Then again, it could just be her temperament. Her distractibility on stage and impulsive outbursts are legendary. I wonder if she's like that in every day life, y'know? Irish blood and all.... Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:28:39 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (NJC) Joan Baez Phyliss Ward wrote: > > My husband picked up a couple of 5th row tickets to see Joan Baez in my > humble town of Bakersfield in February. I know she has a new album > out. Has anyone heard it? Recommend it? I haven't really listened to > her since the early days and never bought anything on CD so I guess you > could say I like her but she doesn't rank super high on my list. It is called Gone From Danger and it is great. Very contemporary. Not the singing Madonna of years gone by. Her live shows are superb. You won't regret going to one of her shows. Though the P,P,&M and Judy shows have gone a little stale as of late, both Joan and Joni (and Bob) have remained excellent. If not gotten better! Jerry np: Gato Barbieri - Last Tango In Paris (finally on cd) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:20:55 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) Mark (T. Klempner) from Mars wrote: > What I've been > thinking is: maybe Joni is not completely well. So what! What do you care? What is your point besides to dismiss Joni's experience? "...Man from Mars This time you went too far..." };~D > People criticize Joni for being so negative No...People who *DON'T KNOW* Joni criticize her for being negative! > Sorry to be > talking medically about a piece of art, but that's how I hear the song > when I think about it from a medical standpoint. Try thinking a little less ;~D > Why is she throwing her drink at one of them NOW? I suggest you listen to Joni's entire catalogue for however long it takes ...She's always been throwing drinks at the biz whizzes How would you know how Joni has aged? The astounding arrogance/ignorance! Tell me; are you one of those pompous physicians? Why do you equate anger with vulnerability? If Joni were a man would you do the same? If so, you must see yourself as just a 'wagging in the wound.' Perhaps we should be talking about your health ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...An Angry man is just an angry man But an angry woman... Sick!..."-JoniM edited by yours truly ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:23:47 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Joni on the radio in America Hey Jimmy Babe! > Things are looking up for the faithful, eh? Absolutely! CKAY 1500, an AM station in Cowichan Valley have been playing alot of Joni lately! She's on almost daily...Just wish they'd play some TTT... "...Santa DJ Forgot to air one little cd Joni Mithcell's TTT..." All I really want for christmas is mega-airplay for TTT and that cutie Klein ;~) > Hey Susan, can I be > an honorary Canuck, eh? :D Honey, you always were ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...He always was and so am I..."-Ferron slightly altered ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:41:14 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: More Girly Guile1 Kakki wrote: "and struggling to make it on an increasingly uneven playing field." Kakki- As usual a totally fresh and interesting point of view. I am not the least bit offended by her references and I happen to like alot of the "girl" acts out there. Cole, Amos, McLachlan,Jewel, even Alanis sometimes. I'm sure somebody somewhere has negative comments about all these ladies and most times they always get referred back to Joan in one way or another. Genuine junkfood for juveniles Being a junkfood junkie and a terminal juvenile, I see this line as a positive. Love Michael NP-Don Juan's Restless Dawta- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:49:57 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: More Girly Guile (with some TTT now thrown in at a tangent) Michael Paz wrote: > As usual a totally fresh and interesting point of view. I am not the > least bit offended by her references and I happen to like alot of the > "girl" acts out there. Cole, Amos, McLachlan,Jewel, even Alanis > sometimes. I'm sure somebody somewhere has negative comments about all > these ladies and most times they always get referred back to Joan in one > way or another. Until I recently heard some early joni (pre-'72), I didn't realize just how "influenced" Jewel's style has been by our SIQUOMB. I just heard the first Jewel CD in a store a year or two ago, and thought - "hey! I like the sound of that..." - and bought Pieces Of You then and there. So, in my case, there was no media factor involved (other than in-store exposure, I suppose, but it was an independently owned shop). I also have CDs by all the other female artists Michael mentions, and really couldn't care less how "genuine" they may or may not be. If their work strikes me as good, then I'll buy it, and enjoy it. If I feel their qulaity control, or muse, is beginning to wander, then I'll just pass on the new stuff and play the old ones. If I listen to Jewel's new CD, and don't think I like it enough to buy it, then that's no big deal. I'm not gonna start writing to her or her management telling them she's sold out/lost it etc...NOT that I'm suggesting any of you would ever do that kind of thing to ANY artist :-) That's how I am with all music. If Joni ever makes an album that doesn't appeal to me, that doesn't render it worthless to everyone. TTT took a while to grow on me (I think the track-order is partly responsible for that...anyone else have any thoughts on TTT's running-order?), but now I love it as much as most joni CDs in my collection. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:15:20 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Slagging: Medical reason??? (Long) In a message dated 12/13/98 2:23:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, ondulees@bc.sympatico.ca writes: << How would you know how Joni has aged? The astounding arrogance/ignorance! Tell me; are you one of those pompous physicians? Why do you equate anger with vulnerability? If Joni were a man would you do the same? If so, you must see yourself as just a 'wagging in the wound.' Perhaps we should be talking about your health ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...An Angry man is just an angry man But an angry woman... Sick!..."-JoniM edited by yours truly ;~) >> Susan, I agree with you. Though it escapes me now, there must be a term that is the couterpart to hypochondriac that describes a doctor who persists in diagosing illnesses where none exists! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:46:51 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Songs That Don't Wear Out (NJC) i could listen to the Offspring's "Pretty Fly (For A White Guy)" all day and still be laughing. i could also listen to Sarah's "Elsewhere", Garbage "Temptaion Waits", and Kate Bush "Wuthering Heights", and Elliott Smith's entire "XO" album. - -mariana (who's typing weird 'cos she just painted her nails bright red "kiss" color for the Cry Cry Cry featuring Dar Williams concert tonight and the Trou) np: blonde redhead, -in an expression of the inexpressible- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:50:42 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Joni with Jewel? In a message dated 12/13/98 1:56:09 PM, Harpua@revealed.net wrote: >I will definitely go since I'll be 18 by then, and the parents will >be pretty slack by then... > >At 9:42 PM -0500 12/12/98, LRFye@aol.com wrote: >> Who's up for it? i'll probably be back down in Mexico brushing up to take AP Spanish Literature in my Senior year (which is 7 months away!!!!!!!!). but i'll do my best. speaking of concert questions: any SoCal ppl up for seeing Sarah McLachlan, Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, Keb Mob, and someone else i'm not sure who at a benefit concert for hurricane mitch? it's this friday at the Santa Monica Civic Center. mum and I are going. it'll be fun fun fun. i think tix are still available. anyone else up to go see Phantom Planet epitome of pop creaminess at the Whiskey on Friday December 26th. i'm not a huge PP fan, but a whole bunch of kids from my school will be there and it'll be fun to dance around and stuff. - -mariana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:22:39 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #510 From: "P. Henry" hello and holiday greetings to all, I'm Pat (aka: P. Henry) originally from the Detroit area and I'm brand new to this list. I posted once to the cafe 2 years ago before this mailing list existed, ( but have not been back to the site for some time) starting off: "the last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." as, indeed it was... I was friends with, employer of, co performer with, jam session buddy of, sound/light man as well as sometime bodyguard for (as well, of course, as HUGE fan and admirer of) and even loaned my D28 to Joni at times in '66-'68 in the Port Huron/Detroit area. I just want to say hi to all of you and say how great I think this site is... Wally, thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:28:10 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: bye bye Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: Nicholas Bates Am I alone in thinking a) most of the information on this discussion group is boring and b) there is too much NJC content? After just a week on the list I am uns.ubscribing so that I can free up my server for things of interest and inteligence. Maybe if Ms Mitchell was actually a contributer to this group if would actually be worth tuning in to. While nothing will stop me listening to Mitchell's music, in just about every story I have read on her in the last two months (and there have been several) she has managed to appear fairly graceless ("there is no grace in my heart"). Talk about whine! She probably could have sold a lot more copies of TTT (another flawed masterpiece undermined by some wimpy arrangements and lazy lyrics) if she had just held her tongue and not given in to the baiting by journalists. Not answering a question is not being untrue to yourself (especially if you regret the answer afterwards as Mitchell often seems to). Just a few thoughts from the antipodes! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:55:54 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #510 In a message dated 12/13/98 11:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << I was friends with, employer of, co performer with, jam session buddy of, sound/light man as well as sometime bodyguard for (as well, of course, as HUGE fan and admirer of) and even loaned my D28 to Joni at times in '66-'68 in the Port Huron/Detroit area. >> Welcome back to the list, P.H. I'm in Detroit...still. Were you at The Raven with Joni? I'd love to hear some stories! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:44:01 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Facelift T-Shirt > Here are my picks for t-shirt slogans; > > 1. The times you impress me the most are the times when you don't even try. > 2. (For the women) sexist pig! > I am a woman of heart and mind. I'm confused. Why is that sexist? I don't get it. To me, it is a reminder that women have strength of thought and feelings too. I like that line a lot. Mark Canberra ************************************************************************* "Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away" - Joni Mitchell. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:39:08 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: Lyrics and Sunlight Hi I never read the words until today but I was singing; "I watched the stars chop down their spheres" and Joni was singing "I watched the stars chuck down their spears" I thought she was ,like, looking at the stars as they moved in their sphere of orbit as a sort of measure of time.Sorry Joni but I like my line better :) Something else: Has anyone noticed the difference between the different quality of afternoon light as opposed to morning light. If you imagine (or even actually do it) the sun at the same elevation from the horizon at morning and then at afternoon,technically it should be the same.What is it that changes? Michael Feeling in an earthy kind of mood I think np Lorikeets in the gum trees (live & unplugged) :) ps catman I feel for you and wish I could help michaelb@coolgold.com.au http://www.coolgold.com.au/~michaelb/index.html Either we are alone in the universe ...........Or we're not............ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #511 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?