From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest)
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JMDL Digest Friday, December 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 507
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: Top 5 albums of all time-Runners Up [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: JMDL Digest V3 #506 [Linda Worster ]
Re: Top Five Albums (NJC) ["Eric Taylor" ]
Worst Albums [Joseph Palis ]
Re: Top Five Albums (VLJC) ["david.wright@oberlin.edu" ]
Wrong Title [Anne Madden ]
Top 5 Albums of all time [bg26140@binghamton.edu]
Joni Slagging Other Artists [Anne Madden ]
Re: NJC Top 5 of all time [Scott and Jody ]
it don't snow here, it stays pretty green [dawnpatch@juno.com (Dawn Patch]
Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel]
Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
NJC: New Poll- Top 5 of all time. ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ]
Re: Top 5 and "Unofficial" Top 5 [Robert Glenn Plotner >
Grateful Dead: Europe '72, the double live album.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:37:14 -0500
From: Linda Worster
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #506
among the lurkers speaking up...
top 5 albums of all time... now that's tough... But fun.
Beatles- St. Pepper
Joni- Hejira
Stevie Wonder- Fulfillingness First Finale
Steely Dan- Aja
Ferron- Phantom Center
along with so many......
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:47:33 -0500
From: "Eric Taylor"
Subject: Re: Top Five Albums (NJC)
Judy Garland Live At Carnegie Hall
Donny Hathaway Extensions Of A Man
Joni Mitchell Turbulent Indigo
Moody Blues To Our Childrens Childrens Children
U2 Achtung Baby
E.T.
NP: Nine Inch Nails, The Downward Spiral
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:54:01 +0800 (CST)
From: Joseph Palis
Subject: Worst Albums
Without wanting to start "unproductive" and pointless arguments, and
because citing fave albums are more commonly resorted to, I am just
curious about what each Listee consider their 3 worst albums of all time
and why. (I swear I am just curious. Ignore this if this has incendiary
potential).
My take: (in my humble and honest opinion)
(1) Marvin Gaye - Tribute to Nat King Cole (I should have listened to
Gaye's original songs or other albums where he sounds more like himself
than this album where there were overt attempts to sound like Cole. I
ended up wishing I bought a record of Cole).
(2) John Klemmer - Magic (Burstingly noisy and discordant music with
voice-overs that diminished the cool sax sound of Klemmer. Miles Davis'
BITCHES BREW was noisy and discordant at first hearing, but it is one of
the most creative statements of the 20th century. This one ain't.)
(3) Harry Connick, Jr. - She (I was made to expect and believe that
because his previous big-band and trio explorations were great and were
more to my liking, he is incapable of doing this. I was wrong. Moral
lesson: never expect your favorite artists to give you more of the same
type of music. Expect them to branch out and explore musically -- some
with more tragic consequences than others.)
Joseph
who is now in this third decade this year
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:07:10 +0000
From: "david.wright@oberlin.edu"
Subject: Re: Top Five Albums (VLJC)
Les wrote:
>>
>>How about everyone's Top 5 Albums of All-Time??
in no particular order:
PJ Harvey, _To Bring You My Love_
Joni Mitchell, _Hejira_
Nico, _The Marble Index_
The English Beat, _What is Beat?_
(I don't usually like best-ofs, or count them as albums, but no one
official Beat album can encompass all of their moments of greatness.)
The Dmitri Pokrovsky Ensemble, _Les Noces: Russian Village Wedding Songs_
Honorable mention:
The Police, _Ghost in the Machine_
Luka Bloom, _Turf_
Patti Smith, _Horses_
BTW, John Cale (producer of Horses, producer/arranger of The Marble Index
among many other musical achievements) just published his memoirs -- called
_What's Welsh For Zen?_ Very rich art direction with sketches, pictures,
poems and lyrics, etc. blending into the text -- almost a coffee-table
book. I heard him read from it and got an autographed copy at Borders the
other night. And I think they're having a BBC special on him next month.
Take care all,
- --David
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:24:02 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: Worst Albums
In a message dated 12/10/98 9:55:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pglass@tasyo.kssp.upd.edu.ph writes:
<< Without wanting to start "unproductive" and pointless arguments, and
because citing fave albums are more commonly resorted to, I am just
curious about what each Listee consider their 3 worst albums of all time
and why. (I swear I am just curious. Ignore this if this has incendiary
potential). >>
It might be easier to address this if you called it the 3 most disappointing
albums. I would hope I've never even come close to hearing, let alone buying,
the three "worst" albums.
Toward that end, I'll take a stab at it:
Nebraska, Bruce Springsteen
Manhole, Grace Slick
Lawyers In Love, Jackson Browne
Paul I
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:22:12 -0500
From: Anne Madden
Subject: Joni Slagging Other Artists
Subject: NJC Joan Baez defended
Alan Larson wrote:
"I never could take Joan Baez seriously."
<< Well, as a longtime Joan Baez fan, I just wanted to chime in here!
If you're talking about Joan's double-Dylan assault, also known as Any Day
Now, you'll get no argument from me, because I never liked her "country"
period, and that album always sounded overproduced.
But the early folk albums - well, I've loved those since I was about twelve
years old, which means I've been listening to and treasuring them for
thirty years...... >>
Roberto
I agree with you Roberto. I am a big long time fan of Joan Baez. She is a
great singer, a legendary trailblazer who wasn't afraid to speak up when it
wasn't popular to do so at the time, especially for women. A lot of younger
women today look up to her and owe her a great debt.
Anne
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:23:52 -0500
From: Anne Madden
Subject: Wrong Title
Sorry, the previous e-mail I sent should have had a subject heading of
"Defending Joan Baez". The "Joni slagging other artists" subject I haven't
even got to yet!
Anne
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:38:47 -0500 (EST)
From: bg26140@binghamton.edu
Subject: Top 5 Albums of all time
Here's my top 5:
1. Hejira
2. Blue
3. Turbulent Indigo
4. Paul Simon, Graceland
5. Madonna, Ray of Light
Sorry if there is too much Joni (if there can be such a thing), but I'm
hard core! You don't understand, she's all I listen to! Put Paul on,
even though Joni did something similar a nearly a decade before.
Eric
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:00:40 -0500
From: Anne Madden
Subject: Joni Slagging Other Artists
I am glad that someone finally had the balls to address this issue (sorry I
inadvertently deleted the last 2 posts - I think it may have been Catman who
brought this subject up in response to another post excusing Joni's
behaviour i.e. Joni critizing other artists.
I agree that just because Joni critizes other artists' doesn't mean she's
right!
Much as I am a big fan of Joni's and have been for years, she shows no class
when
she constantly tears other artists' apart. Good as Joni is, there are other
very good singer/songwriters/musicians out there, male, female, young and
not so young.
I can understand her frustration over the years. There is an awful lot of
watered down crap out there that passes for music which sells and makes
millionaires out of flavour of the month singers. Joni has toiled for years
and paid her dues while making beautiful music but hasn't been rewarded in
the same financial way - it's sickening!
That all said, apart from Joni, I love Dylan, Neil Young, Emmylou Harris,
John Prine, Rodney Crowell, Iris Dement, Van Morrison, Nancy Griffith and
LUCINDA WILLIAMS - CAR WHEELS ON A GRAVEL ROAD (album of the
year!!!!!!!!!!!!!) The world would be a very boring place if we all only
liked one artist!!
Anne
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:12:14 -0600
From: Scott and Jody
Subject: Re: NJC Top 5 of all time
Joni - Hejira
Dylan - Blood on the Tracks
Joni - Song To A Seagull
Tom Waits - Heart of Saturday Night or did I say Raindogs
Elvis Costello - Imperial Bedroom
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:25:05 -0600
From: dawnpatch@juno.com (Dawn Patch)
Subject: it don't snow here, it stays pretty green
This is my first posting, but I have been happily lurking for the past
few weeks. I have enjoyed the list quite a bit, and at least once a day
I find something that makes me think "these are my people". After 4
years in a relationship with someone who refused to give Joni a chance, I
am on my own and I must say, I have been affirming my independence by
reveling in her music. I also saw her show in Chicago, and it was a life
changer for sure. My best friend called last week from NYC and sang
RIVER in it's entirety into my voicemail, then hung up. I thought this
was about the nicest, most appropriate gesture I could be given, and it
has stayed with me. No snow here in Chicago, and River is in my head all
day. (Also I work in the film industry, which is rivaled in insanity,
long hours and crazy people, only by the music industry.) I miss winter!
I miss the snow, and I miss the warm comfort of coming indoors after a
starry night walk home after cross country skiing. I need the stillness
and concealment. It seems too revealing to have mud in December.
Enough rambling, already.
Favorite Holiday songs: "Have yourself a merry Little.." sung by Judy
Garland, and "River"
Top 5 (ha!)
1. Blue/Hejira
2. Astral Weeks/Van Morrison
3. Fleetwood Mac/Rumors-Janis Joplin/Pearl
4. Neil Young/ Broken Arrow
5.Bob Dylan/ Bloood on the Tracks
Dress Warmly. Goodnight.
NP: Lucinda Williams
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:51:47 -0500
From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com
Subject: Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll!
Les wrote:
How about everyone's Top 5 Albums of All-Time?? Just five though... no
creeping into a top 100 or anything. If it takes off, I think I'll tab the
totals and put them on the website.
Here's mine...
Top Five Albums of All-Time:
1) (Tie) "Blood on the Tracks" - Bob Dylan, "Hejira" - Joni. Both albums
are 100% pure genius by the two greatest songwriters on the planet at the
top of their game.
3) "On The Beach" - Neil Young. Depression's finest hour... uh... 40 minutes!
4) "Astral Weeks" - Van Morrison. Years and years and years ahead of it's
time...
5) "Who's Next" - The Who. The exclamation point at the end of the
"classic" rock era.
(my above opinions come at no extra charge to you the reader...)
Anyone else?
Les,
Great selections - it's hard not to look at your list and say "I'll
have what he's having, but mine would probably look more like this:
1. Hejira, simply the most amazing recorded work to date.
2. Sam Cooke "The Man & the Music" amazing voice, also amazing to
realize he wrote most of these hits, most of which have been covered &
covered
3. Elvis Costello "This Year's Model" - is to anger what On The Beach
is to Depression.
4. Bruce Springsteen "Born to Run" Great big dramatic chunk of rock.
5. Loggins & Messina "Mother Lode" Great songs, musicians, harmonies.
Of course it breaks my heart to pick just 5 and think of what I'd have
to do without - the Sophie's Choice syndrome...
P.S. Re: Who's Next - Daltrey's shriek in "We Won't Get Fooled Again"
is the best Rock n Roll Scream ever!
Bob M. in SC
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 00:55:36 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll!
In a message dated 12/11/98 12:52:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes:
<< P.S. Re: Who's Next - Daltrey's shriek in "We Won't Get Fooled Again"
is the best Rock n Roll Scream ever!
>>
Better than Lennon in the opening of "Mr. Moooonlight"?
Paul I
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 01:32:54 -0500
From: "Jim L'Hommedieu"
Subject: NJC: New Poll- Top 5 of all time.
Abbey Road - The Beatles
Focus - Stan Getz
Blue - some Canadian singer songwriter...
Gaucho - Steely Dan
Desire - Bob Dylan
- --
All the best,
Jim L'Hommedieu ** Great news Wally! **
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:31:42 +1100 (EST)
From: Robert Glenn Plotner
Subject: Re: Top 5 and "Unofficial" Top 5
1. Van Morrison: A Night In San Francisco
2. Mahler: Symphony No. 8, Sir Georg Solti
3. Etta James: Live From San Francisco
4. Ralph Vaughan Williams: Serenade to Music, Boult
5. Van Morrison: Poetic Champions Compose or The Healing Game or
Moondance or His Band and The Street Choir or...
How about an "unofficial release" Top 5?
1. Van Morrison: Gypsy Soul
2. Joni Mitchell: Pauley Pavilion 5-22-98
3. James Brown: Paris 3-8-71
4. Jimi Hendrix: Mixdown Masters
5. The Band: Crossing The Great Divide
Robert
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