From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #506 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, December 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 506 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! [Joseph Palis ] top five albums ["Goodwin" ] Re: Joni on UK TV [catman ] RE: Re: Fave albums ["Tyrer, Paul" ] Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! [catman ] Re: Fave albums [catman ] RE: Fave albums ["Tyrer, Paul" ] Re: Top 5 Albums [Marian Russell ] Re: Top 5 albums [Jerry Notaro ] Top 5 All Time ["Don Rowe" ] Re: top five albums [Jerry Notaro ] Passions, was Re: Fave albums (SJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Top 5 & Grammys [Kai Wong ] Top 5-NJC ["Happy The Man" ] RE: Passions, was Re: Fave albums (SJC) ["Tyrer, Paul" ] Top 5 ever ["Philip" ] Re: Passions, was Re: Fave albums (SJC) [catman ] Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! [davina@pacificsw.com (] Question RE: Joni Artwork [finn ] Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) -njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: thoughts from a lurker [AzeemAK@aol.com] Top 5 albums [AzeemAK@aol.com] NJC Top 5 of all time [Phyliss Ward ] Top Five LP [Bounced Message ] Newbie JM's Hejira Question: Jaco Mistake? [Bounced Message ] Re: NJC Top 5 of all time [catman ] Re: Is Justice Just Ice? NJC [catman ] Re: NJC Top 5 of all time ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Joni on UK TV [Gertus@aol.com] It's Comin On christmas, they are cuttin down trees ["Alan Larson" ] Top 5 albums of all time [Mark Domyancich ] Marcels All Time Top Five Albums [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: NJC - New poll! [Scott Price ] Re: Top 5 albums of all time-Runners Up [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Re: Top 5 albums [Marilune@aol.com] The year's best according to me... [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Re: Fave albums [Marilune@aol.com] Re: Question RE: Joni Artwork [Bounced Message ] Joni Video Trees [Ashara@aol.com] Re: Top Five Albums [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Top Five Albums [Marian Rulewski ] Re: Top Five Albums [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:40:35 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! Top Five Fave albums of all time (all the time?) Michael Feinstein - Over There Andrea Marcovicci - Sings Movies Miles Davis - Kind of Blue Ute Lemper - Berlin Cabaret Songs Ella Fitzgerald - Clap Hands Here Comes Charlie Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:10:07 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! Les suggested: >How about everyone's Top 5 Albums of All-Time?? Just five though... no >creeping into a top 100 or anything. Argh, this is difficult but coming to mind are, in equal order: 1. Aja - Steely Dan 2. Innervisions - Stevie Wonder 3. Seal - 1994 album 4. For The Roses - Joni Mitchell and (cheating) New York Tendaberry - Laura Nyro 5. Are You Experienced? - Jimi Hendrix Kakki NP: Rainbow's End - Sons of Champlin (in another realm most high) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:02:34 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Holliston Subject: NJC Joan Baez defended Alan Larson wrote: "I never could take Joan Baez seriously." Well, as a longtime Joan Baez fan, I just wanted to chime in here! If you're talking about Joan's double-Dylan assault, also known as Any Day Now, you'll get no argument from me, because I never liked her "country" period, and that album always sounded overproduced. But the early folk albums - well, I've loved those since I was about twelve years old, which means I've been listening to and treasuring them for thirty years. I've heard Baez in concert twice - the first time was in London in 1977: just Joan and her guitar, and it was unforgettable. The second was in Vancouver in 1983: she had a band, and it was only OK. For the record, I like her interpretations of some Dylan songs, on the album Farewell, Angelina..... Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:45:27 +1100 From: "Goodwin" Subject: top five albums Having lurked for a few weeks now with nothing worth posting to rival anything already there, I feel I can now contribute without feeling out of it (in a manner of speaking) since I've been a Mitchell (very formal isn't he?) fan since first hearing BYT in the days when it was first released. My tastes are eccentric, but here goes. 1 - Santana - Caravanserai 2 - Carole King - Tapestry 3 - Beatles - Sarge Pepper 4 - Bonnie Raitt - Home Plate (among many of hers I love) 5 - Joni herself - Hissing of Summer Lawns (among all of hers I love) but, oh, the temptation to name a hundred! And I too would love to be able to buy a video of a performance as the great lady so rarely appears on TV. I treasure the memory of watching a live performance at a relatively small theatre in Sydney about 20 years ago. That's one good thing about liking an artist who is not feted too widely all of the time - you don't have to go to a huge arena all the time to see the act, as appeal is mostly to the long converted. Paul G Sydneyside ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:28:59 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni on UK TV I plane taping it and doing so twice-we have two tv's and two video's so I can do two recordinfgs at the same time! Jason Maloney wrote: > Hi Rob, and Colin.... > > Um, I'm not usually one to ask favours, but is there any way that either > of you could possibly send on a tape of this show to me? I'd pay for > postage, and happily return the tape once I'd watched it. > > I'm stuck at home all the bloody time with ME, and don't have access to > cable/satellite. I've never even seen joni on TV before, and would LOVE > to finally have the chance. > > Yours Hopefully, > > Jason. > > Rob Jordan wrote: > > > I'm almost certain this will be a collection from the BBC archives, rather > > than the new PPV, but Colin, please, please, please tape it if you can. > > I'll try to do the same at work where we get UK Arena on digital satellite. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:10:19 -0000 From: "Tyrer, Paul" Subject: RE: Re: Fave albums Really, this 'it's all relevant' is wishy-washy liberal nonsense! People should be passionate about music! People should have strong opinions about it! Defend what you like! Fight for it! Trash what you don't like if you feel it's substandard! Unfortunately, substandard trash like Cher is taking up the airwaves when radio stations could be playing Joni. And let's not forget that Joni herself is completely unafraid to embrace what Colin has described as 'musical snobbery' - she bashes her peers left right and centre: 'formula music, girly guile, genuine junkfood for juveniles all across the dial'. And she's quite right. Paul Paul Tyrer Research Associate ESRC Violence, Sexuality and Space Project Institute for Women's Studies, Lancaster University. Tel 01524 594740 > -----Original Message----- > From: Marilune@aol.com [SMTP:Marilune@aol.com] > Sent: 09 December 1998 04:28 > To: catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk; owner-joni@smoe.org; > p.tyrer@lancaster.ac.uk > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Re: Fave albums (NJC) > > > In a message dated 12/8/98 1:10:45 PM, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >Really! How can anyone who likes Joni also like Massive Attack and Elvis > Costello? > > oh that's not fair to say at all. i like joni and i'm into hard rock > stuff > like Nirvana and The Foo Fighters and some other very-non-joni stuff like the > Pixies, Blonde Redhead, The Breeders, and other stuff. but i also like stuff > that is like joni...elliott of course, tori amos, sarah mclachlan, natalie > merchant. it's all relevant. > > -mariana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:01:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! Anticipation-Carly Simon Night Ride Home-Joni Mitchell Universal Mother-Sinaed O'Conner Very-Pet Shop Boys The Dark Side Of The Moon-Pink Floyd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:11:17 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Heresy(NJC) >Les Irvin wrote: >> >> Joni (gasp) didn't make the cut. >> And this, of course, proves absolutely nothing thank you... >> Les And Jerry wrote: > Heresy. You are off the list :) > Jerry OK! Nobody is to stone ANYBODY until I blow this whistle! And not even if they say... "Jonihova"!! ;-D John~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:15:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Fave albums I disagree with you entirely. I may enjoy Joni's music but I do not agree wioth some of her opinions. I think it is obnoxious and childish to knock other artists in the way she has and you have just done. Many people like Cher and you have no right to knock them or her. People only knock others down in order to build themselves up. You may thin Paul that your musical taste is far superior to others, but i don't they will thank that. i don't. Your tast is yours and mine is mine and theirs is theirs. I wouldn't have the arrogance to comment on that so rudely. Tyrer, Paul wrote: > Really, this 'it's all relevant' is wishy-washy liberal nonsense! People > should be passionate about music! People should have strong opinions about it! > Defend what you like! Fight for it! Trash what you don't like if you feel > it's substandard! Unfortunately, substandard trash like Cher is taking up the > airwaves when radio stations could be playing Joni. And let's not forget that > Joni herself is completely unafraid to embrace what Colin has described as > 'musical snobbery' - she bashes her peers left right and centre: 'formula > music, girly guile, genuine junkfood for juveniles all across the dial'. And > she's quite right. > > Paul > > Paul Tyrer > Research Associate > ESRC Violence, Sexuality and Space Project > Institute for Women's Studies, Lancaster University. > Tel 01524 594740 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marilune@aol.com [SMTP:Marilune@aol.com] > > Sent: 09 December 1998 04:28 > > To: catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk; owner-joni@smoe.org; > > p.tyrer@lancaster.ac.uk > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Re: Fave albums (NJC) > > > > > > In a message dated 12/8/98 1:10:45 PM, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > >Really! How can anyone who likes Joni also like Massive Attack and Elvis > > Costello? > > > > oh that's not fair to say at all. i like joni and i'm into hard rock > > stuff > > like Nirvana and The Foo Fighters and some other very-non-joni stuff like the > > Pixies, Blonde Redhead, The Breeders, and other stuff. but i also like stuff > > that is like joni...elliott of course, tori amos, sarah mclachlan, natalie > > merchant. it's all relevant. > > > > -mariana - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:35:56 -0000 From: "Tyrer, Paul" Subject: RE: Fave albums Dear Colin I don't think it's obnoxious or childish to be passionate about music - praising or knocking. Haven't you ever been frustrated when time and time again what you consider brilliant music is ignored for something you think is no good? Taste is taste, you're right. But unfortunately, many people in the music biz and on radio seem determined that a particular kind of music should get no access to airplay. Anyway, this seems to have descended into something of an unproductive argument. I'm sure Cher will survive my little barbs. Paul Paul Tyrer Research Associate ESRC Violence, Sexuality and Space Project Institute for Women's Studies, Lancaster University. Tel 01524 594740 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:35:17 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: Re: Top 5 Albums 1. White Album - the Beatles 2. Blonde on Blonde - Dylan 3. Blue - Joni 4. Rubber Soul - the Beatles 5. Crosby, Stills and Nash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:20:03 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Top 5 albums The White Album-Beatles Blue - Joni Surrealistic Pillow - Jefferson Airplane Living - Judy Collins Album 1700 - Peter, Paul, and Mary Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:38:58 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Top 5 All Time As long as my choices are not legally binding ... here goes: 1. Avalon -- Roxy Music 2. Hejira 3. Another Green World -- Brian Eno 4. The Smiths -- (The Smiths) 5. Welcome to the Pleasuredome -- Frankie Goes To Hollywood Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:44:32 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: top five albums Goodwin wrote: > Having lurked for a few weeks now with nothing worth posting to rival > anything already there, I feel I can now contribute Great post. Now go forth and lurk no more! Jerry np: Paprika Plains ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:04:03 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Passions, was Re: Fave albums (SJC) Paul Tyrer, who may soon earn the title "Prometheus of the jmdl" if he's not careful (kidding, joking!), writes ... > People should have strong opinions about it! >Defend what you like! Fight for it! Trash what you don't like if you feel >it's substandard! Unfortunately, substandard trash like Cher is taking up the >airwaves when radio stations could be playing Joni. First of all, I don't know what station you've been listening to that plays Cher, but I haven't heard her voice on FM ... last time she made the airwaves in my memory was "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" on AM -- but I guess I just dated myself somewhat. Otherwise I couldn't agree more. But the best way to be passionate, at least in the US (I know catman's been in on this thread) is to bloodlessly just not listen to those substandard radio stations, or buy the products of the companies that advertise on them, thus enabling them to continue polluting the airwaves. Interestingly enough, I got a call from the Arbitron ratings people a couple of nights ago. I thought it was a typical telemarketing bit of nonsense, but then the guy asks, "So what would you consider good music?" Well if he's going to open a door like that ... so I give him an earful about Joni, JT, Paul Simon, John Hiatt, The Fixx, Julia Fordham and my other icons. Then he asks, "And which radio station in your market plays this music?" Hello!? None of them! They're all way too preoccupied with Anotherlist Morrissette, drum-machines and talking, alternative-that-isn't-anymore and the number bands ... which is why I ripped off the knob once I got it set to NPR. IMHO, if the good lord had intended that I listen to the radio, he wouldn't have given me a cd player. ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 98 10:07:10 EST From: Kai Wong Subject: Top 5 & Grammys My current all-time Top 5: 1. DJRD - Joni 2. Car Wheels - Lucinda Williams 3. Tropicalia - Various 4. Hejira - Joni 5. Jazz Samba - Stan Getz My 1998 Top 5: 1. Car Wheels - Lucinda Williams 2. TTT - Joni 3. Miseducation - Lauryn Hill 4. Ray of Light - Madonna 5. Believe - Cher (give it a listen before you trash it, it's groovy!) Grammy Predictions (all female this year): 1. Car Wheels - Lucinda Williams (Winner) 2. TTT - Joni 3. Miseducation - Lauryn Hill 4. Ray of Light - Madonna 5. Desire - PJ Harvey Kai Kai ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:10:13 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Top 5-NJC 1) "Hejira" - Joni 2) "Madman Across The Water" - Elton 3) "Zuma" - Neil Young 4) "World As Best As I Can Remember, Vol. 1" - Rich Mullins 5) (tie) "Blood on the Track" - Bob Dylan & "Lamb Lies Down Broadway" - Genesis I want more! Peace, Craig NP: Canticle of the Plains ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:45:05 -0000 From: "Tyrer, Paul" Subject: RE: Passions, was Re: Fave albums (SJC) Dear Don Cher has been #1 in the UK singles chart for the last 7 weeks, I kid you not. Who is Promethus? I seem to remember some vague S&M reference... PX Paul Tyrer Research Associate ESRC Violence, Sexuality and Space Project Institute for Women's Studies, Lancaster University. Tel 01524 594740 > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Rowe [SMTP:dgrowe@hotmail.com] > Sent: 10 December 1998 15:04 > To: p.tyrer@lancaster.ac.uk > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Passions, was Re: Fave albums (SJC) > > Paul Tyrer, who may soon earn the title "Prometheus of the jmdl" if he's > not careful (kidding, joking!), writes ... > > > People should have strong opinions about it! > >Defend what you like! Fight for it! Trash what you don't like if you > feel > >it's substandard! Unfortunately, substandard trash like Cher is taking > up the > >airwaves when radio stations could be playing Joni. > > First of all, I don't know what station you've been listening to that > plays Cher, but I haven't heard her voice on FM ... last time she made > the airwaves in my memory was "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" on AM -- but > I guess I just dated myself somewhat. > > Otherwise I couldn't agree more. But the best way to be passionate, at > least in the US (I know catman's been in on this thread) is to > bloodlessly just not listen to those substandard radio stations, or buy > the products of the companies that advertise on them, thus enabling them > to continue polluting the airwaves. > > Interestingly enough, I got a call from the Arbitron ratings people a > couple of nights ago. I thought it was a typical telemarketing bit of > nonsense, but then the guy asks, "So what would you consider good > music?" > > Well if he's going to open a door like that ... so I give him an earful > about Joni, JT, Paul Simon, John Hiatt, The Fixx, Julia Fordham and my > other icons. Then he asks, "And which radio station in your market > plays this music?" > > Hello!? None of them! They're all way too preoccupied with Anotherlist > Morrissette, drum-machines and talking, alternative-that-isn't-anymore > and the number bands ... which is why I ripped off the knob once I got > it set to NPR. IMHO, if the good lord had intended that I listen to the > radio, he wouldn't have given me a cd player. ;-) > > Don Rowe > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:19:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Passions, was Re: Fave albums (SJC) Don Rowe wrote: > First of all, I don't know what station you've been listening to that > plays Cher, but I haven't heard her voice on FM ... last time she made > the airwaves in my memory was "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" on AM -- but > I guess I just dated myself somewhat. Somewhat! Believe has been #1 in England (where Joni is very well liked and well charted) for a record breaking 7 weeks in a row, and it is the #1 dance record in the U.S. It already her best selling cd since Heart of Stone. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:27:24 -0600 From: Howard Motyl Subject: RE: Top Five Albums Hejira JM Aja Steely Dan Sonny Come Home Shawn Colvin Harvest Neil Young Innervisions Stevie Wonder runners up: Gaucho Steely Dan Blue JM Talking Book/Fulfillingness First Finale Stevie Wonder Nothing's Shocking Jane's Addiction Solace Sarah McLachlan Howard M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:52:05 -0000 From: "Philip" Subject: Top 5 ever 1. Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde 2. Marvin Gaye - What's Goin On/ Let's Get it on Double CD. 3. Hissing of Summer Lawns 4. Beach Boys - Pet Sounds 5. Nuggets - Lenny Kaye's compilation of 60's punk. If compilations are not allowed then Van Morrison - st Dominic's Preview. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:28:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Passions, was Re: Fave albums (SJC) Don-Cher has been number 1 here for a few weeks with a song called Believe. I think I was alittle boy when GTand T was a hit. and I barely remember Sonny and Cher. colin 40 in 6 days. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:29:04 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Fave albums Tyrer, Paul wrote: > Dear Colin > > I don't think it's obnoxious or childish to be passionate about music - niether do I! > praising or knocking. Haven't you ever been frustrated when time and time > again what you consider brilliant music is ignored for something you think is > no good? yes I have > Taste is taste, you're right. I know! > But unfortunately, many people in the > music biz and on radio seem determined that a particular kind of music should > get no access to airplay. yes and it is annoying. Everywhere i go I here the same sort of music-I hate it-it irritates-it is not to my taste at all.HOWEVER, I would not say it is crap nor would I knock those who like(as obviously many do)it. We shall have to agree to disagree. I think it wrong to trash other people's work and tatse. you don't Okay i can accept that. But please don't call it passion-it isn't passion. One can be passiionate about many things-I am about my music, my dogs and cats etc but within passion is an accpetance that other people have the right to differ in their tatse. For example-Ch Saxonsprings Tradition is going to be All Breeds Top Dog this year. Now many are not happy with that and slag both the owner, the handler and the judges off for placing him so highly and get really worked up over it. Instead of just thinking'well he isn't my cup of tea' and leaving it at that. I understand Joni's frustration(I think) at not being more popular, sort of. but then I cannot see that any of her works(recently) are exactly chart stuff or will reach a wide audience. I have all her works and it took many many listens to TTT before i could say i liked it. To expect that to be a chart success is pie in the sky. However, having said I do understanbd that part-I do not agree with nor accept as right her slagging off of other artists. As for Cher, not my style aprt from maybe 2-3 songs she has done. So i am not a fan. but I still think it unfair and childish and obnxoious to say she is no good and how could a Joni fan like her! What Joni needs to bear in mind is that her opinions are not TRUTh, just her opinions. best wishes colin > > > Anyway, this seems to have descended into something of an unproductive > argument. I'm sure Cher will survive my little barbs. > > Paul > > Paul Tyrer > Research Associate > ESRC Violence, Sexuality and Space Project > Institute for Women's Studies, Lancaster University. > Tel 01524 594740 - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:29:38 -0800 From: davina@pacificsw.com (Davina Greenstein) Subject: Re: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! Les Wrote: >How about everyone's Top 5 Albums of All-Time?? Wow...this was a tough one, but here's what I came up with... 1) The Who - Odds and Sods 2) Tie - Joni - FTR and Joni - Clouds 3) Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow 4) Neil Young - After the Gold Rush 5) Carol King - Tapestry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:33:36 -0600 (CST) From: finn Subject: Question RE: Joni Artwork Hi. I'm totally new to this list, so I don't know if what I'm about to ask is common knowledge or anything. I've searched the web and have been unable to find anything. I was hoping you on the list could give me some ideas. My girlfriend is a HUGE Joni fan. She caught the Joni/Dylan show last month in Detroit and I remember her talking about how cool Joni's paintings were. I presume they were selling prints or posters of some of Joni's artwork at the show. I'd really like to surprise her with a print or a poster for Christmas. Which brings me to my question. Does anyone know where I can BUY prints or posters of Joni's artwork? I live in the Bay Area- so a local shop would be great, but I don't care if I have to buy it mailorder or through the web. I really think it would knock her socks off, so any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated... thanks, james ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:36:15 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) -njc In a message dated 04/12/98 01:39:08, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << my all-time favorite carol is In the Bleak Mid-winter. [Though spare me Jessye Noeman's version, please. She sounds like one of the cows in the manger.] >> Jane Siberry does a lovely version on "Child"; and Shawn Colvin's new album "Holiday Songs and Lullabies" also has a nice rendition, along with a load of other seasonal ditties. On another tack, there's a fabulous Bluenote compilation called "The Blue Gospel - Blue note sings the Good Book", which is very funky and righteous in the best possible way. Grant Green's "Go Down Moses" is great; and Duke Pearson's "Christo Redentor" is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I know - I may be a non-believer, but I get a little glow, not to mention goose pimples, when I hear it. I can't remember if there are any carols on it, but what the hell... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:36:30 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: thoughts from a lurker In a message dated 08/12/98 16:59:56, Antman writes: << - Bob Dylan is a terrible performer. I'm not saying he didn't write some wonderful lyrics and didn't deserve to be called the "voice of a generation", but he has always been a limited musician, an even more limited singer, and an awful performer -- he can sometimes sell a song with his expressiveness, but he has no range, no timbre, no sustenado, no technique. And do I even need to mention his guitar or harmonica playing? His song writing has always suffered because he must stick to melodies that he can sing, and those are limited melodies. >> Sorry, but this is way off track to me. How could anyone listen to "Like a Rolling Stone" and STILL say the man can't sing? We all know he'd never - at any stage in his career - be invited to sing at the Royal Opera House, but that was real singing (and not without some sustain, leading up to the chorus). And don't forget the importance of great phrasing. I also disagree with your point about his songwriting suffering because of his vocal limitations (and I'm certainly not denying he has plenty of those); Leonard Cohen was an even more limited musician/singer/player, renowned for the fact that, as he put it himself, "Where all those musicans in the 60s were showing off their chops, I only had one chop". Just about all the songs on his first album are in 3/4 time, as it was the only way he could play, and most of them used a combination of chords chosen from a very small selection. Yet despite this, and his at-best-barely-adequate singing, he wrote some beautiful songs, not just lyrically, but melodically. A listen to Jennifer Warnes's "Famous Blue Raincoat" album of Cohen covers reveals the beauty of the tunes when sung by a more mellifluous voice. By the same token, anyone who can't stand Dylan's singing could check out some covers to get the songs' greatness (two examples amongst hundreds that immediately spring to mind are Aaron Neville's amazing rendition of "With God on our Side" and shawn Colvin's exquisite "You're gonna make me Lonesome when you go). My two penn'orth, Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:36:05 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Top 5 albums Only 5?? That's fiendish! It means I have to leave out Laura Nyro, David Bowie, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Jane Siberry, Gregson & Collister, etc etc. Anyway, here they are, for this week anyway: 1. Hejira [has been for more than a decade, unlikely to be shifted easily] 2. Electric Ladyland - Hendrix [The remastered CD, with the songs in the correct sequence, absolutely blew me away when I heard it on a decent system. Pure genius, obviously] 3. I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight - Richard & Linda Thompson [England's greatest songwriter/guitarist, one of its greatest ever singers (that's Linda!), songs so great you can't believe he was only in his early 20s, ain't that enough?] 4. Automatic For the People - R.E.M. [there's not one song on this I don't like, and "Find the River" is their loveliest of all] 5. Together Alone - Crowded House ["Catherine Wheels" is alchemy, the title song brings tears to my eyes, Neil Finn is also a genius] I'll have to think a little longer to come up with the year's top 10... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:13:49 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: NJC Top 5 of all time Today I'll vote for... (in no particular order) Joni Mitchell - Blue Beatles - White Album CSNY - Deja Vu Steely Dan - Aja Eric Clapton - Unplugged Runners up: James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim Joni Mitchell - Hejira Elton John 11-17-70 (live) Laura Nyro - Eli and the Thirteenth Confession Beatles - Rubber Soul Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks Bonnie Raitt - Takin my Time Rolling Stones - Let it Bleed Van Morrison - Moondance - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:31:33 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Top Five LP From: "Gene Mock" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:30:04 -0800 Top Five LP'S 1. Dylan's Blonde on Blonde 2. Joni's For The Roses 3. Van Morrison's Astral Week (fantastic) 4. Velvet Underground Live 5. Al Kooper/Michael Bloomfield Super Sessions ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:33:08 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Newbie JM's Hejira Question: Jaco Mistake? From: "Scott Crane" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:27:57 -0600 Hi all: I'm a newbie to the list so excuse a question that's probably been batted around before. On JM's Hejira LP title cut there is a couple lines as such: In the church they light the candles And the wax rolls down like tears Q: Jaco "rolls" down his bass near/at the end of the first line, not the second as I would expect. Was this a mistake? On his part? on JMs vocals? or on the mixing/mastering etc phase? Or was this ment to be? P.S. I really WISH JM would make it to Texas next tour. I'd LOVE to see/hear her live. P.S.S. Is it proper to refer to Joni as JM on this list? Scott Crane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:32:26 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Is Justice Just Ice? NJC From: "Eric Taylor" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:34:18 -0500 Who here is not sickened by the self-righteous circus going on in Washington? Personally I'd like to punch that smarmy, prissy-lipped Kenneth Starr right in his smug kisser! And piss on all those pompous conservatives who want payback for Nixon! This is so obviously a vendetta. The two real stars of this hearing are Rep's Waters and Jackson-Lee. Rush Limpball fans are flooding Congress with email supporting impeachment. I urge all who care to contact your representative and tell them to kiss Clinton's ass! Sorry but I'm madder than Joni... There is a polite petition circulating on the Internet requesting Congress to come to their senses. The web address is: http://www.moveon.org Please go there and sign it! Beside myself, E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:38:14 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Top 5 of all time O kay if you can runners up so can I! End of The Summer-Dar Williams Turbulent Indigo Joni Mitchell Letters Never Sent Carly Simon Dreams-Grace Slick Once Upon A Time-Donna Summer Tracy Chapman-Tracy Chapman Diamond Dogs -David Bowie Breaking Glass-Hazel O'Conner The Visitors-ABBA Ommadawn-Mike Oldfield 1492-Vangelis Deep Forest-Deep forest Cross of Changes-Enigma I Remember Yesterday-Donna Summer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:40:00 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Is Justice Just Ice? NJC Eric-it is seen here as purely a vendetta by people pissed cos he won and he is a democrat and a republican. Reagan did far worse things. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:56:03 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: NJC Top 5 of all time Phyliss writes ... > >Runners up: >James Taylor - Mud Slide Slim >Joni Mitchell - Hejira >Elton John 11-17-70 (live) >Laura Nyro - Eli and the Thirteenth Confession >Beatles - Rubber Soul >Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks >Bonnie Raitt - Takin my Time >Rolling Stones - Let it Bleed >Van Morrison - Moondance So here's my list of also-rans for Best 5 All Time: Jon Anderson/Vangelis -- "The Friends of Mr. Cairo" James Taylor -- "Never Die Young" Deep Purple -- "Made In Japan" Genesis -- "Nursery Crime" Peter Gabriel -- "Security" Bonnie Raitt -- "Luck of the Draw" Simon & Garfunkel -- "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme" Weather Report -- "Heavy Weather" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:55:14 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on UK TV Thanks Colin, for the information. I would have missed that, as I did the one which was on a couple of weeks ago. I was depressed for about a week after finding out! I don't have satellite or cable (or even channel 5!) but I'm sure I can find some kind soul to tape it for me. Still desperate to hear news of when the new show is going to be broadcast. I think it would make a great Christmas special! Cheers Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:34:50 -0800 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: It's Comin On christmas, they are cuttin down trees Hey Roberto-- I didn't mean that Joan Baez isn't accomplished or talented, just that her beautiful voice makes it hard for me to "listen" to her as a protest musician. It's difficult to fathom the tremendous political impact that Dylan had on this country. Yes, he's a poet and a bad singer, and maybe even a prophet. But the range of his impact is incredible, and Blowin in the Wind, a counterculture icon. "Percy's Song," not very popular, but powerful in what I'd call his consistency in putting down the Establishment, whatever that is, and continuing that theme with Just Like a Rolling Stone, the famous cuecard song, and many others. Joni's music started much more personal, and then much later took on a political bent. But for my buck, the ugly voices prevailed in speaking to my conscience in those "early" years, fighting poverty, society, the war, and searching for my identity. Take me back to the days of Phil Ochs and Tom Paxton, Josh White Jr., Crosby et al, PP&M, Joan Baez, Woody Guthrie devotees like Pete Seeger and Arlo and maybe, just maybe, we could get a dialogue started about the problems this country refuses to face. Some rap, some folk, some country artists are doin it now, and so are quite a few musicians who value substance over style. There just aren't enough of them. In my humble opinion. I certainly didn't mean to put down Joan, cuz she did put herself on the line with unpopular political views. Just curious, but what would people like to see Joni write about more. And, if everyone says NOTHING. I love everything she writes and there is NOTHING else I'd like to see her write about, then I guess I'm all washed up. How about Urge for Going, Part Two? Struggle for women's independence. Framed around giving up a child for adoption. My favorite song for this time of year. That's easy, "River." Just a thought. alan in ames, iowa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:32:44 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Five Albums My CD player's cartridge holds 6 so I'm giving myself that many: (you cheater!) Court and Spark JM Katy Lied Steely Dan Revolver Beatles (or Abbey Road) Neil Young Neil Young (his very first with "The Loner" "Old Laughing Lady etc) Innervisions Stevie Wonder One Man Dog James Taylor (first runner-up Led Zeppelin I) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:02:43 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Runner-up 5 best LPs in random order: 6. Da Capo - Love 7. Moby Grape - Moby Grape 8. Loosen Up Naturally - Sons of Champlin 9. Led Zeppelin I - LZ 10. Living in the Past - Jethro Tull Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:32:29 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Top 5 albums of all time 1. Joni-Hejira 2. Led Zeppelin-Physical Graffiti 3. Joni-For The Roses 4. Neil Young-Harvest Moon 5. Led Zeppelin-III ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:39:04 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Marcels All Time Top Five Albums When you talk about THEE top five of all time there are specific things that I believe must be considered. (1) it must never stop thrilling you and you hear new things each time you hear it (2) the songs are timeless (3) the songs are strung together as one seamless strand (4) no turkeys or clams (5) If possible it should be groundbreaking. My all timers are: (1) Song To A Seagull, Joni Mitchell : Try to find a bad song on this album. Some of the songs are still among her best. Take any other Joni album and compare the cuts song for song in order. Nathan La Freneer, For Free, Cactus Tree (for some reason still makes me cry), I Had a KIng. Marcie. Liike my first love this album is the one Ill never forget listening to for the first time. (2) The Who Sell Out, the Who : First of all it has the first Townshend attempt at an "opera" with 'Rael', second it has the heaviest song ever done on acoustic guitar in 'Magic Bus', third it has the concept of using British commercials as leadins to the songs and this may have been the first song ever to do this, fourth there are so many ground breaking techniques in the engineering and production of this album its not even funny. Try listening to Armenia City in the Sky. Lastly its hard to listen to Mary Anne with the Shaky Hands without thinking about my first girl friend. Every song a great one. (3) Abbey Road : Side two alone may be the single most memorable side on any album that I can think of but it is side one which was "johns side" which all by itself captures the historical roots of the band AND the future of the band in one song. (4) Bringing it all Back Home: Bob Dylan: This album was a transition album between Dylans acoustic folk roots and his electric future. Some of his all time best songs like Its All Over Now Baby Blue (still my all time Dylan fave), Mr Tambourine Man, Maggies Farm and the cover phote of the young Dylan still intrigues me and I have never stopped finding new objects that I never noticed before. alas only one more... (5) The Last Waltz: The band : Ok so I cheated and picked an album that has everyone else on it. Even Neil Diamond. This is a gem with so many great songs and literally an album by the Band and an album by other artists all in one. The Night They Drove Ol' Dixie Down also makes me reflect on the common man who lived in Dixie as Sherman marched to the sea destroying the culture of people who had no idea what was going on. My favorite non-Band song is Caravans by van the Man. I might add that the movie is one of my all timers and Jonis song amazed me how good the Band was as a backup band. How many styles they could flawlessly deliver. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:16:47 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: NJC - New poll! At 11:08 PM 12/9/98 -0700, Les Irvin wrote: >How about everyone's Top 5 Albums of All-Time?? Just five though. Tough assignment! OK, but with the preface that these are "desert island" albums, the ones I could listen to over and over and over again.... 1. Hejira, Joni Mitchell 2. Court & Spark, Joni 3. Fumbling Towards Ecstasy, Sarah McLachlan 4. For The Roses, Joni 5. Mud Slide Slim, James Taylor Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:33:09 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Top 5 albums of all time-Runners Up Runners up: 6. Grateful Dead- gosh, some live CD in Germany... had Sunflower Cat on it? (Paul can you help?) My sister has it now... 7. Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians- Shooting Rubberbands at the Stars 8. Neil Young-Unplugged 9. Bob Marley-Legend 10. Joni-DJRD (Fading beauty) At 3:32 PM -0600 12/10/98, I wrote: > 1. Joni-Hejira > 2. Led Zeppelin-Physical Graffiti > 3. Joni-For The Roses > 4. Neil Young-Harvest Moon > 5. Led Zeppelin-III ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:32:30 +500 From: "Kim Korman Brown" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #505 Hey list, Isn't it nice to make your opinion known? It satisfies the little itch of opinion one feels when looking at lists of "the best of"... written by other people ...If it were up to me I have some toss ups (can't keep it to five) Mona Bon Jakon (spelling?)or Tea For the Tillerman Cat Stevens (don't you miss that guy?) Moondance Van Morrison For the Roses Joni Mitchell Eli and the Thirteenth Confession Laura Nyro Rickie Lee Jones' first album/ ties with Gorilla by James Taylor and then of course there's Bonnie Raitt and Enya and Dan Hicks... aint music wonderful? Gee that was fun to pedanticate. Is that a word? May your days be merry and bright, all. :) Kim ......................................................... "You and I have brains, the others have fluff." (Winnie the Pooh) http://futurerealm.com - The HeartThread Resource Page http://worldcommunity.com - The World Community Network http://wtne-sales.com - Washington Times National Weekly National Sales Office http://musicviews.com Music Reviews by Kim Korman Brown ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:47:05 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Top 5 albums In no particular order, the CDs that have had major impact on me: Elliott Smith, XO: beautiful, classic, all those words. Breeders, Last Splash: go Kim Deal! surfer metal pop stuff. Joni, Blue: saved my life anyway Sarah McLachlan, Surfacing: the words, the rythym, the heartbeat... Nirvana, Nevermind: watery grunge. thank u kurt. - -mariana NP: Beck, -Mutations- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:46:25 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: The year's best according to me... I simply can't narrow this down to ten, so I'll give you what used in olden days be called a baker's dozen. In alphabetical order (otherwise I really would be here until Christmas:-), they are Air - Moon Safari [so cool, so French] The Cardigans - Gran Turismo [wistful] Christine Collister - The Dark Gift of Time [simply my favourite singer] Bob Dylan - Time out of Mind [more than anyone could have hoped for] Eels - Electroshock Blues [sombre and brilliant] Annabel Lamb - Flow [warm, human, organic] Madonna - Ray of Light [fab] Massive Attack - Mezzanine [a grower] Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs [staggering] Joni Mitchell - Taming the Tiger [what can I say??] Eddi Reader - Angels & Electricity [only got it today - 's'wonderful!] R.E.M. - Up [they've stopped messing around] Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on a Gravel Road [possibly the best of the lot] Azeem in London, doing yet another compilation tape for friends (yes the plural is correct - I've got this flashy new twin tape deck that allows parallel as well as serial recording - wow!). Was playing: Suzanne Vega's "In Liverpool", Jellyfish's "Bedspring Kiss", now it's Massive Attack with Elizabeth Fraser, "Teardrop". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:49:11 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Fave albums In a message dated 12/10/98 5:33:40 PM, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: >I understand Joni's frustration(I think) at not being more popular, sort of. but > >then I cannot see that any of her works(recently) are exactly chart stuff or will > >reach a wide audience. I have all her works and it took many many listens to TTT > >before i could say i liked it. To expect that to be a chart success is pie in the > >sky. However, having said I do understanbd that part-I do not agree with nor > >accept as right her slagging off of other artists. > >As for Cher, not my style aprt from maybe 2-3 songs she has done. So i am not a > >fan. but I still think it unfair and childish and obnxoious to say she is no good > >and how could a Joni fan like her! > >What Joni needs to bear in mind is that her opinions are not TRUTh, just her > >opinions. there has to be something appealing about the music played on the radio or else it wouldn't be popular. a friend said to me after i said that, "ew, you sound like one of THEM" like i had gone to the dark side or something. but music is music, no matter where you are. - -mariana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:13:04 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Question RE: Joni Artwork From: Claud.Loren.Carter@ccMail.Census.Gov Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:06:47 -0500 James, Damm, does your story sound familiar. I just went through the same process, with the exception of seeing the concert in Maryland. Like you, I searched the world over to find that exact same piece of artwork. Well, to make a long story short I found a wonderful lady at Warner Brothers Customer Service (I'll assume in the Reprise Records area) who found and is mailing me one today (as a matter of fact) a copy of Joni's TTT lithograph. I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that it arrives (and that she ain't pulling an April Fool's joke on me in December. Best of all, she's giving it to me "on the house!" I also offered to pay large $$$ to get it for my wife, but she liked me and/or my voice and offered to find it gratis. Gotta/gonna send that woman something nice. Anyway.....her name is Elane Geller, and you can find her name and address on www.repriserec.com/faq/#fan. Maybe she can work some magic for you too. Loren (still here hoping, with crossed toes, fingers, and eyes (which makes the commute home REAL exciting)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:37:39 EST From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Joni Video Trees The PAL order for the Joni video trees is in, my Master Copies are in California, {GULP!} and all the tapes should be back to me by next week. I will send them out to everyone that sent me money as soon as they come back to me. For all those that wanted a PAL copy, but 1) Forgot to send money 2) Deleted the post about it without reading it 3) Have no idea what I am talking about 4) Whose dog ate their computer: I ordered some extra PAL copies. I couldn't help it. It took SO long to make this happen, I just didn't want anyone to be left out. They will be available on a first come, first serve basis, until they are gone. For all the newbies out there: Check out JMDL TapeTree Information and look up Video Trees. If you need a regular copy (US friendly VHS) or a PAL copy, please contact me privately. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:21:07 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Five Albums In a message dated 12/10/98 8:53:44PM, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << Neil Young Neil Young (his very first with "The Loner" "Old Laughing Lady etc) >> Can't resist this Paul: I'm pretty sure it wasn't his first album! That honour went to "Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere". I agree that "Neil Young" is a great album. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:47:55 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: Re: Top Five Albums Sorry but it was his first. Everbody Knows was his second. >>> 12/11 10:21 am >>> In a message dated 12/10/98 8:53:44PM, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << Neil Young Neil Young (his very first with "The Loner" "Old Laughing Lady etc) >> Can't resist this Paul: I'm pretty sure it wasn't his first album! That honour went to "Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere". I agree that "Neil Young" is a great album. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:44:48 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Five Albums In a message dated 12/10/98 7:21:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, AzeemAK writes: << << Neil Young Neil Young (his very first with "The Loner" "Old Laughing Lady etc) >> Can't resist this Paul: I'm pretty sure it wasn't his first album! That honour went to "Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere". I agree that "Neil Young" is a great album. Azeem >> If you are only pretty sure, Azeem, then you had better check your facts. Neil Young's first album is the self-titled one I described. "Everybody Knows This is Nowhere" followed it and was his first backed by Crazy Horse. Paul I ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #506 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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