From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #505 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, December 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 505 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JMDL Cookbook completed! [Marian Russell ] JUST THE WAY YOU ARE (NJC....silly content) [mann@chicagonet] Re: Fave albums (NJC) [catman ] Re: NJC Dylan defended [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC - Top 6 of 1998 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JMDL Cookbook completed! [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: JMDL Cookbook completed! [Scott and Jody ] Re: Joni Photo [Randy Remote ] Back on the list! [Mike Friedman ] Joni on UK TV [catman ] RE: JMDL Cookbook completed! ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Stevie Nicks [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Joni on UK TV [Rob Jordan ] Re: JMDL Digest V3 #504 [JAWebster2@aol.com] Re: Joni on UK TV [Jason Maloney ] Re: (NJC)Lennon Legends [TerryM2442@aol.com] RE: NJC Top 6 agh! ["Happy The Man" ] T-shirt notions [Bounced Message ] Re: Furby Sings.. [Bounced Message ] Furby Sings The Blues (with Joni Content...) [Michael Paz ] Top 5 albums [Marian Rulewski ] NJC Top 5 all time [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:18:32 +0100 From: Marian Russell Subject: JMDL Cookbook completed! I just wanted to let everyone know that I completed the cookbook and sent it to Wally on Monday. I received recipes from the following people: Adam Nixon Alan Amy Ashara AzeemK Brian Mansfield Danny Costello Denise Moser Don Rowe Ginny McCord Howard Wright Jerry Notaro Jill Linn Jody Johnson John & Allison Lind Julie Z. Webb Kakki Karen Mc Kenny Grant Laura Oppermann Laurie Barry Lesley Watson Leslie Mixon Lori Rene Fye Marcel Deste Marian Russell Marilyn Urbanski Mark Domyancich Marsha Michael Paz Neil Penwell (Neil in Seattle) Pat Hillis Paul Ivice Phyliss Ric Welch Roberto Holliston Roger Walker Sue Cooper Susan Chaloner Susan Crawford Susan McNamara TerryM2442@aol.com WallyK Winfried Huehn In the end, I put all of the recipes and bios into a Microsoft Word (W95 version) document. There were about 70 recipes submitted. I found a nice binder with berries on the cover and I inserted each page into a nice clear plastic cover designed especially to fit into the binder. I put the recipes in a first section and then the bios in a second section, both organized alphabetically. I was able to give an individual page to each recipe and bio, although in a couple of cases where recipes were meant to go together and didn't follow each other alphabetically, I fit a couple of recipes together on one page. If anyone would like to have the Word document, let me know. I will get it to you as soon as I reorganize it to look like what was printed out and sent to Wally. Before you print it yourself, you should know that it is formatted for the European standard paper size (A4) which is slightly narrower and longer than the 8-1/2 x 11 American paper size, so recipes and bios which fit onto one A4-sized page might need an additional page when printed on 8-1/2 x 11 paper. I hope, over the holidays, to transfer the document into HTML code and set up a separate section for it in the JMDL Gallery section. I feel really good about the cookbook - it looks nice, feels nice and the recipes are very interesting. I think that Joni will like it very much and that she will use it! Many thanks to all who contributed! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:24:05 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: JUST THE WAY YOU ARE (NJC....silly content) Heather & Terry, Really, I don't want to change a thing....except for the STANDARD height statement. Ever since I gave up my platform shoes from the '70's I've gotten really small. at this stAGE in my life I wish to God: I was a STANDARD beauty I had a STANDARD height I had a STANDARD weight and married to president of STANDARD oil (don't change a thing, Laura ..... you either Terry) Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:35:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Fave albums (NJC) I'll say this again. My posy was in response to someone elses post who had said similar things about Cher etc. I was being facetious as the musical snobbery displayed got to me. I don't even know who massive attack are! Blimey! does everything have to be s-p-e-l-l-e-d out? Marilune@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/8/98 1:10:45 PM, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >Really! How can anyone who likes Joni also like Massive Attack and Elvis > Costello? > > oh that's not fair to say at all. i like joni and i'm into hard rock stuff > like Nirvana and The Foo Fighters and some other very-non-joni stuff like the > Pixies, Blonde Redhead, The Breeders, and other stuff. but i also like stuff > that is like joni...elliott of course, tori amos, sarah mclachlan, natalie > merchant. it's all relevant. > > -mariana - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:36:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Dylan defended Mark Domyancich wrote: > And Neil Young! Though I do like Joan Baez... > > At 5:11 PM -0800 12/8/98, Alan Larson wrote: > > I have to agree with Randy. One of the more classic Dylan quotes I've ever > > heard: "It takes an ugly voice to be understood." > > > > I never could take Joan Baez seriously. Joan Baez. An ugly voice? You must be kidding. Jerry np: MOA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:11:43 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - Top 6 of 1998 Les Irvin wrote: > > Joni (gasp) didn't make the cut. > And this, of course, proves absolutely nothing thank you... > Les Heresy. You are off the list :) Jerry np: Rufus Wainwright ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:39:30 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Cookbook completed! Marian, Thanks so much for taking on this project! I know Joni will get a big kick out of it. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:11:08 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: JMDL Cookbook completed! > Marian, > > Thanks so much for taking on this project! I know Joni will get a big kick out > of it. > > Terry > Marian, I just want to add thank you for extending the deadline for those of us who couldn't get it together. jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:05:25 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Photo Where? I went there and couldn't find it.... Leslie Mixon wrote: > Steve was checking up on Bill Gates and was led to this website: > > http://www.corbisimages.com/ > > Lo and behold, a slide show at the bottom of the page: > George Clinton > Joni > Michael Jackson > Beck > > Again, just a cat running with the dogs. > > Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:06:00 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Back on the list! This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------B6BC0C9E8BEEE45AA67BA44D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Back on the list after a month's hiatus (way too busy at work, I was deleting everything without reading it). Good to be back! Maybe I'll even have time to watch the Joni Pay per view. :-) I've had it on tape for a month! On the good news front, my best friend expressed some interest in Joni one night while he was at my house. So, for his birthday, I bought him copies of "Blue," "Hissing" and "Night Ride Home" (Tower was out of "Hejira"). I think I've made a convert. :-) Cheers, Mike - --------------B6BC0C9E8BEEE45AA67BA44D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikef1.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mike Friedman Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikef1.vcf" begin:vcard n:Friedman;Mike x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:mikef1@jps.net x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Mike Friedman end:vcard - --------------B6BC0C9E8BEEE45AA67BA44D-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:12:38 +0000 From: catman Subject: Joni on UK TV This Saturday night at 6.30pm there is a program called Joni&Co on UK Arena. I have this channel on cable. Don't know about Satellite customers. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:20:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Cookbook completed! Angel-voiced Marian, Thank you so much for this labor of love! And congratulations on your concert a while ago. I was off-line for some days and couldn't let you know how happy I was everything had worked out fine. Love, WallyK - -----Original Message-----d De: Marian Russell Para: joni@smoe.org Fecha: Miércoles 9 de Diciembre de 1998 7:22 AM Asunto: JMDL Cookbook completed! >I just wanted to let everyone know that I completed the cookbook and >sent it to Wally on Monday. > >I received recipes from the following people: > >Adam Nixon >Alan >Amy >Ashara > >AzeemK >Brian Mansfield >Danny Costello >Denise Moser >Don Rowe >Ginny McCord >Howard Wright >Jerry Notaro >Jill Linn >Jody Johnson >John & Allison Lind >Julie Z. Webb >Kakki >Karen Mc >Kenny Grant >Laura Oppermann >Laurie Barry >Lesley Watson >Leslie Mixon >Lori Rene Fye >Marcel Deste >Marian Russell >Marilyn Urbanski >Mark Domyancich >Marsha >Michael Paz >Neil Penwell (Neil in Seattle) >Pat Hillis >Paul Ivice >Phyliss >Ric Welch >Roberto Holliston >Roger Walker >Sue Cooper >Susan Chaloner >Susan Crawford >Susan McNamara >TerryM2442@aol.com >WallyK >Winfried Huehn > >In the end, I put all of the recipes and bios into a Microsoft Word (W95 >version) document. There were about 70 recipes submitted. > >I found a nice binder with berries on the cover and I inserted each page >into a nice clear plastic cover designed especially to fit into the >binder. I put the recipes in a first section and then the bios in a >second section, both organized alphabetically. I was able to give an >individual page to each recipe and bio, although in a couple of cases >where recipes were meant to go together and didn't follow each other >alphabetically, I fit a couple of recipes together on one page. > >If anyone would like to have the Word document, let me know. I will get >it to you as soon as I reorganize it to look like what was printed out >and sent to Wally. Before you print it yourself, you should know that >it is formatted for the European standard paper size (A4) which is >slightly narrower and longer than the 8-1/2 x 11 American paper size, so >recipes and bios which fit onto one A4-sized page might need an >additional page when printed on 8-1/2 x 11 paper. I hope, over the >holidays, to transfer the document into HTML code and set up a separate >section for it in the JMDL Gallery section. > >I feel really good about the cookbook - it looks nice, feels nice and >the recipes are very interesting. I think that Joni will like it very >much and that she will use it! > >Many thanks to all who contributed! > >Marian >Vienna > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:44:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: (NJC)Lennon Legends If you missed the new VH-1 Legends John Lennon last night, it is on again tonight at 8 EST. It has new interviews with Yoko and George Martin. Also look for John Lennon: The Final Days: The E! True Hollywood Story on E! Channel. Hopefully you all know about www.rockontv.com, that's where I get alot of music on the tube info. If anyone knows how to make a hot link in email, please enlighten me! RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:09:43 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Stevie Nicks Anne Madden wrote: > I don't understand all the knocks on Stevie Nicks. Hey Anne! Neither do I with lyrics like the following: "...Is love so fragile and the heart so hollow Shatter with words Impossible to follow... ...We fight for the Northern Star No speed limit That's just the way it is here... ...Baby please don't change and Your face becomes thin and You never thought it could..."-Stevie Nicks Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...The feeling still remains Even after the glitter fades..."-Stevie Nicks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:24:34 +0000 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: Joni on UK TV Hi Colin, I'm almost certain this will be a collection from the BBC archives, rather than the new PPV, but Colin, please, please, please tape it if you can. I'll try to do the same at work where we get UK Arena on digital satellite. Here's the gen: UK Arena Saturday 12 December 17:55 to 19:00 Jools Holland celebrates the career of Joni Mitchell, one of the foremost singer-songwriters of our time. Performances range from the 1970s to the present day and include her all-time hit, `Big Yellow Taxi'. Rob At 19:12 09/12/98 +0000, catman wrote: >This Saturday night at 6.30pm there is a program called Joni&Co on UK >Arena. I have this channel on cable. Don't know about Satellite >customers. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:07:14 EST From: JAWebster2@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #504 The Chieftans record was pushed back to January. I heard an advance of it last week. The record on the whole is pleasant enough. My fave track (Joni's) is unfortunately also the track that sounds the least...congruous. The rest of the record sounds like the Chieftans playing *with* a bunch of pop musicians. Magdelene Laundries sounds like the Chieftans playing *around* Joni. If that makes any sense. jessica > Aren't The Chieftains supposed to be releasing a new album this month, with > Joni doing Magdalene Laundries? > > I just checked CDNOW, Musicblvd, and Tower, and don't see any mention of an > upcoming new release by them. Does anyone know if the release date was > pushed > back? > > -Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:01:23 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Joni on UK TV Hi Rob, and Colin.... Um, I'm not usually one to ask favours, but is there any way that either of you could possibly send on a tape of this show to me? I'd pay for postage, and happily return the tape once I'd watched it. I'm stuck at home all the bloody time with ME, and don't have access to cable/satellite. I've never even seen joni on TV before, and would LOVE to finally have the chance. Yours Hopefully, Jason. Rob Jordan wrote: > I'm almost certain this will be a collection from the BBC archives, rather > than the new PPV, but Colin, please, please, please tape it if you can. > I'll try to do the same at work where we get UK Arena on digital satellite. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:08:05 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC)Lennon Legends In a message dated 12/9/98 2:47:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << www.rockontv.com, that's where I get alot of music on the tube info. If anyone knows how to make a hot link in email, please enlighten me! >> I made it into a hotlink- hopefully it'll work. You can never tell with AOL mail, though. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:10:39 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: RE: NJC Top 6 agh! I would be hard pressed for six. But I will punt! 1) Burlap to Cashmere "Anybody out there?" - Steve Taylor's Squint label, when is the guy going to put out one of his own albums it has been five years since "Squint" and six since Chagall Gueverra. 2) Delirious "King of Fools" 3) Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road" 4) Rich Mullins "the Jesus Record" - what keeps this from being my favorite is the album was actually recorded on a portable tape player in a Hogan in Window Rock, AZ. He died in September of 97 and his band put out the album with guest singers. But his monotone tape for the record company was still better IMHO 5) Buddy Miller "Poison Love" - August 1997 release but a 1998 for me. His wife's music introduced me to him. Emmylou, Lucinda, Steve Earle & Jim Lauderdale along with Julie Miller are usually regulars on his albums. 6) Neil Finn "Try Whistling This" NP: Buddy Miller - Poison Love Les Wrote: > > What the heck... here's my top 6 CDs released in 1998: > > 1) Bob Dylan "Live 1966" - simply the greatest concert ever imho. > 2) John Martyn "The Church With One Bell" > 3) Mollie O'Brien "Big Red Sun" > 4) Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road" > 5) Bela Fleck "Left of Cool" > 6) Bill Frisell "Gone, Just Like A Train" > > Joni (gasp) didn't make the cut. > And this, of course, proves absolutely nothing thank you... > Les > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:11:22 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: T-shirt notions From: "Gerald Hillman" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:12:40 -0600 One word in Joni-Mitchell-handwriting font: "stardust". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:11:50 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Furby Sings.. From: "Gerald Hillman" Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:52:18 -0600 Very clever Kakki! I really enjoyed that one! It's a JMDL keeper for = sure. I hope it's put on the parody page. Gerald (trying to keep up on the digests which should be called = banquets, and instead of hearing, "you have mail", it should be, "come = to the dinner gong".) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 23:36:52 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Furby Sings The Blues (with Joni Content...) Kakki- HOW DARE YOU!!!!! How can you say there was no Joni content in that post???? I couldn't get through reading it without Joni's tune playing inside and outside my head. Brilliant piece of work there girl. My fave line is the polyester paw bit. Will you sing this one to me in January?? Love Michael NP(inside my head)-Furby Sings the Blues ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 23:08:17 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: NJC (Actually 1/5th Joni content) - New poll! Joniphiles - Personally, I'm enjoying reading everyone's top albums of 1998. So much so that I'm going to open the floodgates to a poll that I've always wanted to start but haven't dared 'till now. I figure since a lot of people are gone for the holidays I can get away with this one without being run out of town. How about everyone's Top 5 Albums of All-Time?? Just five though... no creeping into a top 100 or anything. If it takes off, I think I'll tab the totals and put them on the website. Here's mine... Top Five Albums of All-Time: 1) (Tie) "Blood on the Tracks" - Bob Dylan, "Hejira" - Joni. Both albums are 100% pure genius by the two greatest songwriters on the planet at the top of their game. 3) "On The Beach" - Neil Young. Depression's finest hour... uh... 40 minutes! 4) "Astral Weeks" - Van Morrison. Years and years and years ahead of it's time... 5) "Who's Next" - The Who. The exclamation point at the end of the "classic" rock era. (my above opinions come at no extra charge to you the reader...) Anyone else? With humble apologies to the NJC haters.... Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 17:28:08 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: Top 5 albums On The Beach - Neil Court & Spark - Joni Astral Weeks - Van Deja Vu - CSN&Y Good Feeling To Know - Poco This would change on a month to month basis & is, I think, a bit unfair. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 23:04:33 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: NJC Top 5 all time Ouch...narrowing it down to 5.....okay, my desert island list 1)Beatles white album 2)Joni Mitchell-Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 3)Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks-Striking It Rich 4)Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon 5)Fleetwood Mac-Tusk but I know at some point I'd wish I had a Stephane Grappelli album or Stevie Wonder's Innervisions RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #505 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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