From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #501 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, December 7 1998 Volume 03 : Number 501 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Stay in Touch" [Susan Chaloner ] More Yoko [evian ] one more thought on Yoko (NJC) [evian ] various [Robbert ] Re: Testing 123 [Bernadette Gallagher ] Re: More Yoko [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: various [TerryM2442@aol.com] NJC "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." [Bernadette Gallagher ] Re: Buffy...? (who?) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: The time has come... (now SJC) ["david.wright@oberlin.edu" ] Re: Siquomb & RAP (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: NJC "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." [Susan Chaloner ] Re: Furby (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Furby (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Re: Furby (NJC) [Marilune@aol.com] Re: Furby (NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: NJC "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)] Re: Furby (NJC) [catman ] Re: Furby (NJC) [catman ] Re: Furby (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Adieu (absolutely no Joni content, except for the fact that this is the Joni list [Rich Newirth ] Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) [LRFye@aol.com] Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: TTT Listed in Rolling Stone [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) [catman ] Re: "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." (tiny bit of JC) [Mark or Travis] Re: "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." (tiny bit of JC) [Joseph Palis <] Re: Re: Furby (NJC) [Bernadette Gallagher ] NJC: I'll take a Standard Beauty on Ice, please! [Bernadette Gallagher ] Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) [Bernadette Gallagher ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:33:58 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: "Stay in Touch" Mark T. Klempner wrote: > What's Joni saying here? Please let me know what you think. Stand by: buffering Joni...channelling Joni...translating Joni... She's saying: "...Hey don't the wars come easy, Hey don't the peace come hard..."-Buffy ;~) but, "...Get it while you can..."-Janis and the Full Tilts anyway because we don't want you, "...broken in churches and schools and molded to middle class circumstance..."-JoniM Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Oo I've had a hard time with this soft thing of mine..."-Buffy again :~D ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 03:05:19 -0600 From: evian Subject: More Yoko > Again, how did she achieve this status. There are lots of talented > conceptual artists that could never afford Tony Levin, for example. This speaks of my earlier > point, that she rode on Lennons coat-tails. > Well, this is a loaded statement. For example, we can say the same thing for Don Freed. How many Saskatoon local-yokels are able to have a song on an established artist's album like he did with "Crazy Cries of Love"? However, we aren't burning him at the stake here like we seem to be doing to Yoko. Also, does it occur to anyone that maybe Lennon actually LIKED what Yoko did and had to say, and maybe that is why he worked with her so intensely? As well, even if she did ride on his coat tails, Yoko didn't simply try to become superstar of the world, releasing a bunch of overdubbed pop songs. Rather, her music was never what could ever be considered mainstream. Moreover, Paul hit the nail right on the head mentioning that nobody ever seems to say a bad thing about Linda. I mean, come on, I also liked Linda McCartney, but really... was she a needed member of Wings???? Yoko is an acquired taste, to be sure... I have no problem when people say they don't dig her... I can understand that. However, she isn't the Incubus either! As David Bowie so eloquently put it, "Yoko's work is very dangerous. if one is not careful, it could get one thinking, and may cause them to for an opinion. A subversive notion if ever there was one". For those of you who might be interested "Walking on Thin Ice: A Compilation" is a great starting point for getting into Yoko. The title track, produced by Arthur Baker, is simply amazing. Cheers, Evian NP: "Celebrity Skin" -- Hole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 03:10:45 -0600 From: evian Subject: one more thought on Yoko (NJC) > I like it when Joni Mitchell makes people itch and chafe. All of these > people had a vision that was thought provoking and engaging. They make people think about important > things, and they are artful and masterful in doing so. IMHO Yoko doesn't fit the bill. > But what really separates Yoko and Joni? Sure, they are different as night and day, but IMO, Yoko is artful and masterful in making people think about things. At first glance, I laughed at the snippets from Yoko's book Grapefruit included in the liner notes of Walking on Thin Ice, but then I realized, "damn, this IS not just drivel, it DOES make you think". Joni and Yoko are both thought provoking... they just use different means to accomplish this. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:30:46 +0100 From: Robbert Subject: various Dear Listers, Greetings from a cold, snowy Holland! I have a few questions and hopefully someone can help me with the answers. After having seen our Joan 4 times in October, I would love to relive the experience... Is there anyone out there who has recordings of the shows in Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit and/or Toronto? I have some Joni material to trade, and also lots of good quality material by other artists. Please respond privately if you would like to swap. If someone would be willing to put the music of the PPV special on mini-disc or cassette for me, please let me know and I'm sure we can work out a deal. Given that Joni shared the bill with Dylan, I'm thinking about contacting the Dylan equivalent of the JMDL - I'm sure that there were a lot of Dylan fans who were taping, and they might have taped Joni as well... Any suggestions as to how to get in touch with Dylan fans would be highly appreciated. Thanx! On a final note, what would be the chances of more Joni shows in the new year? She covered California, the Mid-West, the East-Coast and Canadian East-Coast- is it likely there will be more shows next year? I would appreciate your opinion if you think she will tour more, but also the opinion of those who think this is not going to happen. Thank you all and I look forward to hearing from you! Best wishes, Robbert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 10:55:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: Re: Testing 123 - ---------- > I recently had acouple of posts returned to me. Is anybody out there? > I had the same problem. I think the web is disintegrating. They're gonna aim the hoses on ya. B.- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:14:42 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: More Yoko In a message dated 12/6/98 4:13:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << Moreover, Paul hit the nail right on the head mentioning that nobody ever seems to say a bad thing about Linda. I mean, come on, I also liked Linda McCartney, but really... was she a needed member of Wings???? >> Are you kidding? Linda was disliked almost as much as Yoko! It wasn't until she came out as an animal activisit and vegetarian promoter that people laid off a bit. She never professed to be a great musician. It was Paul who insisted that she be in the band and travel with him. She'd be the first to say she wasn't a needed member of Wings, in the musical sense. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 10:17:45 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: various In a message dated 12/6/98 6:35:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, Robbert@vansprang.demon.nl writes: << On a final note, what would be the chances of more Joni shows in the new year? >> Hi Robbert! Towards the end of Joni's US/Canadian tour, she was in negotiations for touring Europe. Whether it's a go or not, I have no idea. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:20:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: NJC "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." What's this "standard beauty" crap? What a load of hooey! I guess Laura is one of those "standard beauties" You know, takes one to know one. Laura said: the fact that she wasn't a classical beauty made it easier for him to focus on the "real" woman. He had probably had enough of beautiful woman anyway and was "ripe" for a women like Yoko. She doesn't smile easily and [is?] not a standard beauty. And she is beautiful when she smiles. I wish I had the wings of Noah's pretty little white dove. B.- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:30:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: Buffy...? (who?) Buffy..........the Vampire Slayer? > "...Hey don't the wars come easy, > Hey don't the peace come hard..."-Buffy ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:47:17 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Buffy...? (who?) Buffy Sainte-Marie? At 11:30 AM -0800 12/6/98, Bernadette Gallagher wrote: > Buffy..........the Vampire Slayer? > > >> "...Hey don't the wars come easy, >> Hey don't the peace come hard..."-Buffy ;~) ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 13:22:55 +0000 From: "david.wright@oberlin.edu" Subject: Re: The time has come... (now SJC) Mariana wrote: > okay boys and girls...the time has come. time to spill your >top ten albums of the year. I've been looking forward to this time of the year on the list. My #1 favorite album of the year is without a doubt Liz Phair's _whitechocolatespaceegg_. I *love* the music and there are some great lyrics. Definitely as good as anything else she's done, which is saying a lot!! After that in the top 10... PJ Harvey, _Is This Desire?_ (hard to rank in comparison to her last album) Lauryn Hill, _The Miseducation..._ Massive Attack, _Mezzanine_ Rounder Records' ongoing Alan Lomax project and, below those (but still in the top 10)... Joni, _TTT_ (again, hard to rank since it's not my favorite Joni album, even of this decade) _Rufus Wainwright_ (this might have been higher before my bad experience seeing him live) That's all I have...I still haven't heard Lucinda Williams' _Car Wheels on a Gravel Road_, or others which, from what I'm told, should be right up at the top... Take care all, - --David NP: The English Beat, _What is Beat?_ (best-of) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:00:09 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." (tiny bit of JC) In defense of Laura writing that Yoko is not a standard beauty, I think Laura is referring to the American media and general public's opinion of "standard beauty." Yoko Ono is not and never was considered "beautiful" by most "ordinary" people. If I were to describe Yoko's physical appearance, I would describe her as I do Joni Mitchell or Joan Armatrading or my friend Vanessa: "beautiful, but not in the conventional way." All are musicians and all are strikingly beautiful, but you don't see people swooning over them the way they do over, say, Cindy Crawford (a "conventional" beauty if there ever was one, IMO), or Daisy Fuentes or Shania Twain (to throw in a musical "talent"). In fact, upon considering the concept of "standard beauty" in our society, it seems to me that you don't find many standard beauties in the popular music business ... I'm sure there are some, but at the moment I can't think of any conventionally beautiful women who are making good music ... even Sheryl Crow is unusual looking, although her beauty is closer to "standard" and that may play a part in her success. (It certainly doesn't hurt!) It's probably true that if Yoko Ono hadn't met John Lennon, her music and art would have been a flash in the pan, enjoyed and appreciated by far fewer people. That happens to many wonderful musicians and artists ... we miss out on a lot because of the structures of the music and art worlds. Many people believe that Yoko was the reason the Beatles split. I don't buy it, but she was an easy scapegoat. The U.S. was in its hysterical "love it or leave it" mode and its citizens were pissed off about Vietnam, struggling between loyalty to our government and demanding that we end the insanity, but still distrustful of foreigners in general and of Asian people in particular. And here was a Japanese woman "dragging" John into bed for a highly-publicized "Love-In"... What I find sad is that so many people seem to believe that John Lennon couldn't think for himself. I think he could and he did ... AND he was in love with Yoko Ono. WHY he loved her may remain one of the great mysteries of popular culture. Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:21:24 +0000 From: "Ellen F. Fitzgerald" Subject: Yoko stuff I started (NJC) Hello list, I took a big gamble when I said the inflammatory statement: "Why are men so afraid..." I wanted to see how it felt to be in Yoko's shoes. Thanks for all of your input. Fact is, I'm the one who's afraid. I couldn't have withstood the criticism and innuendo that Yoko has lived through. I applaud her and her music. I get a kick of her music. I'm very sad that John is gone. I miss him terribly. The video documentary "Imagine" is very endearing. It's worth checking out for a little peek inside. I have no desire to go toe to toe, or point by point on anything that has been said. We're all entitled to our own opinions. Thank you all for sharing yours. Great letter Laura. Ellen P.S. Evian, thanks for bringing up Hole-Celebrity Skin. Good album. I'm a Courtney Love fan. I see the Courtney/Yoko parallels big-time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:26:40 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: "Stay in Touch" (going NJC) Mark in Seattle wrote: > At the crucial moments of a new relationship, those with some experience > & patience can look past the imperfections in both themselves and the > other person and see if there is a greater good to be gained. Joni > seems to be saying that this ability is essential in building a healthy, > successful relationship and that it does not come easily to her. That's > my take. Well written, Mark! Synchronicity again ... my dear friend Shaun and I were discussing this over the Thanksgiving weekend ... In our gotta-have-it-in-a-nanosecond world where everything must be instantly gratifying and Perfect, people seem to be selling each other (and themselves) short by not taking the TIME to get to know someone before bailing out of a friendship or a relationship ... one slip and *poof!*... it's over! Slow down and be flexible, I say! Lori (guilty, too, but learning) San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 10:55:34 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: (NJC)Re: Buffy...? (who?) Mark Domyancich wrote: > > Buffy Sainte-Marie? You've just won a trip for you and Bernadette to Buffy Sainte Marie's home in the piney wood hills ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...People will be envious..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:58:04 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Siquomb & RAP (NJC) Jim wrote: > Before "rap" meant 'numbing fodder using stolen licks', it meant 'conversation' or 'monologue'. I've concluded that the blaring of that 'numbing fodder' is the only way that certain young people can annoy us old farts, since we otherwise adore so much of "their" music ... it's not like the old days when anything we played irritated grownups! Remember when folks used to say, "Let's rap"? And "Never trust anyone over 30"? Lori, feeling every bit of 40 today San Antonio NP: Don Henley's Actual Miles (a freebie CD) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:06:54 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: NJC "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." Bernadette Gallagher wrote: > > What's this "standard beauty" crap? > What a load of hooey! Burn, "...This is really something..." I unilaterally agree with your statement even though I think you must be a twisted chick ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Climbing the wind..."-Buffy Sainte-Marie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:21:19 EST From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: The year's Best Music (VLJC) Mariana wanted us to list our 1998 faves - I was wonderin' who'd get this thread going or if tradition was to do it in January....Anyway, without further ado: Best Album (In order from my favorite on down) 1. Lucinda Williams - "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" Simply the most genuine, heartfelt, singalong, tap-your-foot-in-the-car collection of tunes that came out this year. Not a false nanosecond on it. 2. Kyle Eastwood - "From Here to There" Of course I bought it for the Joni, but this record swings! Much more consistent than Hancock's "Gershwin's World" IMO. 3. Elvis Costello/Burt Bacharach - "Painted From Memory" Who'da thunk that they could still write tunes like this? I felt like I was back in the 60's groovin on those Dionne Warwick songs. This set has more hooks than a tackle box - Elvis emotes his vocals like he hasn't since "Imperial Bedroom" 4. Pearl Jam - "Yield" - A great return to form, I still wish they would leave their little "experiments" on the cutting room floor, but some really powerful rockers on this one. 5. Joni "Something-or-other" ;^D "Taming The Tiger" A gorgeous, excellent set from her, what can I say that literally hundreds of us havent already said? It's not as good as Hejira but guess what? I'm not as good at some things as I was 20 years ago either! Plus Joni gets "Best Package" award for the paintings, and for the painted disc itself! 6. Seal - "Human Being" He sure makes it look easy to put together another collection of seductive. melodic, rhythmic gems like he's done here. If it WAS this easy, more folks would do it, I imagine.. 7. P.M. Dawn - "Dearest Christian, I'm So Very Sorry For Bringing You Here, Love Dad" Since I'm not a fan of Hip-Hop, these guys must have something on the ball because I love everything they do; Lyrically, Musically, their unique synchronous harmonies just send chills down my spine (or is it UP my spine...) 8. Son Volt - "Wide Swing Tremelo" It's rock, it's folk, it's country, it's...great! I could enjoy Jay Farrar singing the phone book I think. 9. Jeff Buckley "Sketches For My Sweetheart The Drunk" Suffers a little from the inclusion of some things I don't think Mr. Buckley intended to release, but the best of what's on these 2 discs is very hauntingly beautiful & soulful. Such a versatile voice, unfortunately the same free spirit that allowed his voice to soar with such wild abandon caused him to sink as well. 10. Dave Matthews Band "Before These Crowded Streets" Again, like the Eastwood CD, I'm hooked on the pure musicality of this band. The rhythm section is among the best, if not THE best, if I die in a car crash it'll be because I was banging my hands on the sterring wheel during a DMB tune. Honarable Mentions: Tori Amos (just got it), R.E.M. "Up" Best Songs - (Not so wordy ;-)) In no particular order... Offspring - Pretty Fly (For A White Guy) The "Louie Louie" for the 90's Days of The New - The Down Town Elvis/Burt - What's Her Name Today, I Still Have That Other Girl Jeff Buckley - Everybody Here Wants You Lucinda - All I ask, Can't Let Go Joni - Harlem in Havana P.M. Dawn - Art Deco Halos, If I could Be Your Star Most Overrated: Liz Phair "Whitechocolatespaceegg" I listened to this twice a day for a solid week trying to get it - I didn't. Maybe if her voice could go beyond that three-note range... The real sad thing, as always, is all the great music I DIDN'T hear this year because radio sucks so badly & I don't have enough $$ to buy everything I want to check out. Bob M. in SC NP: REM "Electrolite" live from Tibetan Freedom Concert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 19:03:43 -0500 From: Anne Madden Subject: Furby (NJC) A friend has an all black very rare Furby for sale (best offer). If interested please call Karen at (705)835-3331. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:08:31 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Furby (NJC) Just outta curiousity: are there many Furbies or just that one that looks like a Gremlin? MarkyMark At 7:03 PM -0500 12/6/98, Anne Madden wrote: > A friend has an all black very rare Furby for sale (best offer). > > If interested please call Karen at (705)835-3331. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:25:01 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Furby (NJC) In a message dated 12/6/98 7:05:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, amadden@bconnex.net writes: << A friend has an all black very rare Furby for sale (best offer). If interested please call Karen at (705)835-3331. >> Do we really need to have junk like this on our list? Let's see if we can avoid this kind of NJC in the future. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:39:30 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Furby (NJC) In a message dated 12/7/98 12:30:11 AM, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >Do we really need to have junk like this on our list? >Let's see if we can avoid this kind of NJC in the future. lay off. it was JUST an offer. maybe someone wants a furby. ya never know. - -mariana NP: Cake, -Prolonging the Magic- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:44:31 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Furby (NJC) Paul wrote: > Do we really need to have junk like this on our list? Probably not, but the holidays are fast approaching and, judging from the hoopla on the news, some people actually do care about this Furby thing ... although I don't know why, anymore than I understood the enthrallment over Beanie Babies, Cabbage Patch dolls, or pet rocks ... > Let's see if we can avoid this kind of NJC in the future. We can't, anymore than we can avoid discussions of holiday music, which -- for the record -- I loathe. Lori, humbugging it in San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 98 00:58:12 GMT From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant) Subject: Re: NJC "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." Hey Bernadette, I re-read Laura's post "My 2-cents on Yoko (NJC)" (available at http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v03.n500) and found it thoughtful and insightful, despite the fact that I'm rather uninterested in Yoko Ono. Not an offensive, disrespectful word in the whole thing, just some reflections and observations by a warm, intelligent woman. Then you chime in with "takes one to know one," and there goes the neighborhood. Really, if you have a problem with a point someone makes, address their POINT, but don't point fingers at THEM. Personal attacks have been tried on this list, and they just don't play well here. I think it has something to do with the Joni fan -- we're pacifists by nature, and a little on the reserved side. Anyone who was at the recent concerts with Dylan will tell you that the noise level in the stadiums increased ten fold when Bob came out, and throughout his set. Yup, we're a well-mannered bunch -- a little rowdier than the people who attend classical concerts and operas, but overall, a well-mannered bunch :-) -Kenny On 12/6/98 2:20PM, Bernadette Gallagher wrote: What's this "standard beauty" crap? What a load of hooey! I guess Laura is one of those "standard beauties" You know, takes one to know one. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:07:08 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Furby (NJC) Okay-what is a Furby? Anne Madden wrote: > A friend has an all black very rare Furby for sale (best offer). > > If interested please call Karen at (705)835-3331. - -- Clones are people two If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong? CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:07:04 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Furby (NJC) Good to know somes things never change, Paul. IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/6/98 7:05:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, > amadden@bconnex.net writes: > > << > A friend has an all black very rare Furby for sale (best offer). > > If interested please call Karen at (705)835-3331. >> > > Do we really need to have junk like this on our list? > Let's see if we can avoid this kind of NJC in the future. > > Paul I - -- Clones are people two If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong? CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:38:36 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Furby (NJC) In a message dated 12/6/98 7:47:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, LRFye@aol.com writes: << Let's see if we can avoid this kind of NJC in the future. We can't, anymore than we can avoid discussions of holiday music, which -- for the record -- I loathe. Lori, humbugging it in >> Well, I suggest that we can avoid or at least discourage rank commercialism. This isn't even music- or art-related, let alone Joni-related. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 17:47:26 -0800 From: Rich Newirth Subject: Adieu (absolutely no Joni content, except for the fact that this is the Joni list Hi folks, I haven't been around for months and I just did what I thought was unthinkable: deleted all those digests for the last (I'm embarassed to say how many) months. I feel like I keep running only to fall further behind. So, for most of you, you don't have a clue who I am, and, to the rest, a bientot (I still haven't figured out how to put in diacritical marks). Now, my old friends (particularly Les), I expect to be fully informed about future tape trees (I don't want to miss out) and any other things you think I should know. One day, we'll (hopefully) meet again (or actually meet). Those of you whom I've met, you are all an absolute joy. I may pop in from time to time (to check that you're still here). And, definitely feel free to get in touch (via email) or if you're ever in the neighborhood (SF), call. Kisses and hugs all around, Rich (now, I just have to figure out this unsubscribing business!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:31:56 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: TTT Listed in Rolling Stone Here's what they say about TTT in the article on "Albums That Mattered:" The distemper that Joni Mitchell has flashed in recent interviews turns up on TTT: the title song's snap at the music biz and "whiny white kids"; the splash of rage and alcohol in "Lead Balloon" ("Kiss my ass, I said, and I threw my drink..."). But outright choler is an awkward fit on Mitchell. Her specialty is simmering discontent and step-by-step reconciliation -- slow boils that, combined with the milky familiarity of her sound (bleating brass, her gliding, echo-laden guitar) make it easy to mistake TTT for any recent Mitchell album. That would be a mistake; Tiger's claws are the retractable kind, shooting in and out of "Stay in Touch," and "Face Lift" with a deft touch. Even better are Mitchell's recent live shows, like the one I saw in New York where she made her own blues from covers of Marvin Gaye's "Trouble Man" and Billie Holiday's "Comes Love" and, in the encore, radically redrew the rhythm and vocal lines of her own "Woodstock" to mirror the ebb and flow of her generation's great, drained expectations. A brilliant performance from a consummate artist, pissed off or otherwise. I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. -- Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:03:24 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) FURBY SINGS THE BLUES Old Toy Street is coming down Teletubies forgotten now Cabbage Patch kids and Pet Rocks long gone Faded with the ragdoll blues Barbie's dressed in cobwebs She's standing in a moldy box And long since lost her hair Her eyeshadow chipped away And missing her high-heeled shoes Old Furby sings the blues Propped up in his owner's bed Soon to be resold and removed And Ginny doll's in bubble-wrap waiting the same fate Going to the highest bidder on Ebay Demand for Beanies topped out now It's a new day They chew the last few dollars off Toy Street's carcass Mercenary style It's just a matter of inventory What's in and out of style Aimed at the hot collectibles market Old Furby sings the blues He points a polyester paw and says "I don't like you" "I'll never know what it's like to play and have my stitching hugged away" Everybody laughs - they take the check and pack him up A tribute to banality - for eternity And look for the next hot toy to tout Old Furby sings the blues Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:22:19 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) Kakki!!! > "I'll never know what it's like to play and have my stitching hugged away" BRILLIANCE! You've got the gift! : ) See, Paul? There do be a reason for some of the more "objectionable" NJC, afterall! And ... synchronicity again ... I had just finished typing a 1976 review for the Articles portion of JMDL.com, which discussion Joni's performance of "Furry Sings The Blues"... Laughing it all away, Lori San Antonio NP: Lucky Girl, from DED ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:29:23 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) Kakki, Well, that's one way to get JC into a Furby thread. Touche'! Terry, ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:26:56 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: TTT Listed in Rolling Stone In a message dated 12/6/98 9:32:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Here's what they say about TTT in the article on "Albums That Mattered:" >> Deb, I can't believe I missed that! I was looking at the back, where all the albums were listed and saw nothing about TTT, other than the title, whereas some of the others had little blurbs written underneath. Thanks for posting this. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 03:40:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) Ooh kakki-that was brill. and you got joni content out of it. ya boo sucks to you paul! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:42:23 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) In a message dated 12/6/98 10:32:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << Kakki, Well, that's one way to get JC into a Furby thread. Touche'! Terry, >> OK Kakki, I'll concede you got a laugh out of me for that. Nicely done. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:12:08 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) Kakki, Kween of Parody, soothes the savage beasties with: >FURBY SINGS THE BLUES > >Old Toy Street is coming down >Teletubies forgotten now >Cabbage Patch kids and Pet Rocks long gone >Faded with the ragdoll blues HAHAHA! Bravo! This one tops your "Song to a Snowball" last year at this time! Kudos, Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:48:12 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." (tiny bit of JC) LRFye@aol.com wrote: > What I find sad is that so many people seem to believe that John Lennon > couldn't think for himself. I think he could and he did ... AND he was in > love with Yoko This is partially what I was trying to say. Bravo, Lori! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:26:43 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." (tiny bit of JC) On Sun, 6 Dec 1998 LRFye@aol.com wrote: > Yoko Ono is not and never was considered "beautiful" by most "ordinary" > people. If I were to describe Yoko's physical appearance, I would describe > her as I do Joni Mitchell or Joan Armatrading or my friend Vanessa: > "beautiful, but not in the conventional way." All are musicians and all are > strikingly beautiful, but you don't see people swooning over them the way they > do over, say, Cindy Crawford (a "conventional" beauty if there ever was one, > IMO), or Daisy Fuentes or Shania Twain (to throw in a musical "talent"). IMHO, the following singers are beautiful as well as talented: Sade Sarah McLachlan Diana Krall Angela Gheorghiou Andrea Marcovicci Vanessa Paradis Ute Lemper Gloria Estefan Julia Fordham Susannah McCorkle Joseph (who must have been in love at these ladies at any given time in his life) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 00:48:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: Re: Re: Furby (NJC) I know this is a dumb question, but that being me forte: What's a furby? - ---------- > > In a message dated 12/7/98 12:30:11 AM, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > >Do we really need to have junk like this on our list? > >Let's see if we can avoid this kind of NJC in the future. > > lay off. it was JUST an offer. maybe someone wants a furby. ya never know. > > -mariana > > NP: Cake, -Prolonging the Magic- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: NJC: I'll take a Standard Beauty on Ice, please! > Hey Bernadette, > Really, if you have a problem with a point someone makes, address their POINT, > but don't point fingers at THEM. Personal attacks have been tried on this > list, and they just don't play well here. Well, for what it's worth, I wasn't "attacking" Laura, who I hope won't mind my saying seems like a lovely, intelligent, warm, and nice person. I'm sorry for all the hurt this may have caused her, you, and everyone else. I, do, however, object to this "standard beauty" thing. It's chauvinist, to say the least. Just today a male co-worker of mine said of Simone de Beauvoir, "Well, she was never known for being a beauty or anything," a comment which threw me for a loop, b/c I'd always thought she was considered very attractive. My point is, however, that Sartre would never be referred to as "not a standard beauty," even though IMHO he was an ugly looking critter. The implication is that a woman's looks (standard or no) are or should be relevant to who falls in love with her and why. I think John Lennon would agree with me, I know Sartre would not. I like to think we've come a long way (women) from that stage in humanity. (I guess I'm talking about the fifties here, I'm not sure, 'cause my stilted grandiosity is blocking the view.) I know beauty can floor you, but it's not the sole possible attribute it used to be. Christ, I know guys who think that Joni is "not a standard beauty." > Not an offensive, disrespectful word in the whole thing, just some reflections > and observations by a warm, intelligent woman. I never said that Miss L.'s post was disrespectful to Yoko. > Anyone who was at the recent concerts with > Dylan will tell you that the noise level in the stadiums increased ten fold > when Bob came out, and throughout his set. And at the show I (emphasis here) attended, the Joni fans were definitely competing with the Bob fans in the noise category, and any discrepancy was due to the sheer volume of Bob fans, not lack of enthusiasm or a tendency to quietude. > Then you chime in with "takes one to know one," and there goes the > neighborhood. I AM sorry for the "she must be.." crack. It was sophomoric, and I should have thought about it more before I sent it. Although I guess if Laura was as chained to the male-chauvinist neighborhood I relegate her to in my first paragraph, she wouldn't mind at all being called a "standard beauty" Isn't that funny? Well, like you said, there goes the neighborhood. By the way, I find it rather intriguing that you never addressed the "standard beauty" issue. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:23:32 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) Kakki Babe! "...What's so strange When you know that you're a wizard at three?..."-Ross and Grey I'd love to see your baby books! I bet parodies are scribbled all over them ;~D Simply genius Babe! And I don't even know what Furby is....What is Furby? This hermit wants to know...spill the beanie-babies and free Furby! :~D Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...ferry to the highway..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: NJC - Dec 8th - Lennon's death. Remember Yoko pleading with distraught fans to stop suiciding. > IMHO, the following singers are beautiful as well as talented: Where's your list of the talented not-so-beautiful singers? I can't wait to see who you consider the doggiest. Great use of "ordinary" below. > On Sun, 6 Dec 1998 LRFye@aol.com wrote: > > Yoko Ono is not and never was considered "beautiful" by most "ordinary" > > people. If I were to describe Yoko's physical appearance, I would describe > > her as I do Joni Mitchell or Joan Armatrading or my friend Vanessa: > > "beautiful, but not in the conventional way." All are musicians and all are > > strikingly beautiful, but you don't see people swooning over them the way > they do over, say, Cindy Crawford (a "conventional" beauty... I KNOW damn well there are standard beauties and all that, but we're taliking about John Lennon's life, not some Patpong droolfest for teenagers. Imagine this: A John Lennon interview, asked about marriage with Yoko: John: Well, she's not a standard beauty, but I love her anyway. [applause from audience] Can you? Imagine all the people/ thronging the standard beauties Nah, doesn't work. John's way taller than that. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:39:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: NJC John Lennon shot dead in front of the Chelsea Hotel on Dec 8th ---R.I.P. > Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 10:00:09 > From: LRFye@aol.com > To: Joni > Subject: Re: "Yoko Ono is not a standard beauty." (tiny bit of JC) > > In defense of Laura writing that Yoko is not a standard beauty, I think Laura > is referring to the American media and general public's opinion of "standard > beauty." The point was about WHY john Lennon married her, not the American media. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: NJC Yoko stuff - John Lennon >I'm very sad that John is gone. I miss him terribly. What year did he die? I think it was 1980. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:44:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: NJC - piney-wood hills > Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 10:55:34 > From: Susan Chaloner > To: Joni > Cc: Mark Domyancich; Bernadette Gallagher > Subject: (NJC)Re: Buffy...? (who?) > > Mark Domyancich wrote: > > > > Buffy Sainte-Marie? > > You've just won a trip for you and Bernadette to Buffy Sainte Marie's > home in the piney wood hills ;~) > > Susan L.A. > Honey McBabe-"...People will be envious..."-JoniM YEE-HAW!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: Bernadette Gallagher Subject: Re: Furby Sings The Blues (Parody NJC) I'm a lowlyworm on this list, but YOU ROCK! I love the pointed polyester paw! - ---------- > FURBY SINGS THE BLUES > > Old Toy Street is coming down > Teletubies forgotten now > Cabbage Patch kids and Pet Rocks long gone > Faded with the ragdoll blues > Barbie's dressed in cobwebs > She's standing in a moldy box > And long since lost her hair > Her eyeshadow chipped away > And missing her high-heeled shoes > Old Furby sings the blues > Propped up in his owner's bed > Soon to be resold and removed > And Ginny doll's in bubble-wrap waiting the same fate > Going to the highest bidder on Ebay > > Demand for Beanies topped out now > It's a new day > They chew the last few dollars off Toy Street's carcass > Mercenary style > It's just a matter of inventory > What's in and out of style > Aimed at the hot collectibles market > Old Furby sings the blues > He points a polyester paw and says > "I don't like you" > "I'll never know what it's like to play and have my stitching hugged away" > Everybody laughs - they take the check and pack him up > A tribute to banality - for eternity > And look for the next hot toy to tout > Old Furby sings the blues > > > Love, > Kakki > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 02:06:20 +0000 From: "david.wright@oberlin.edu" Subject: Stravinsky in DJRD Joni has talked about her admiration for Stravinsky. I had always heard this influence in some sections of Paprika Plains, I think, but...in case this hasn't been pointed out already...while listening to DJRD just now I noticed for the first time that Jaco's bass line in "Talk To Me" -- in the prominent melodic figure just before Joni's voice enters -- is an exact quotation of the opening bars of The Rite of Spring (the bassoon part). - --David ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #501 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?