From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #500 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, December 6 1998 Volume 03 : Number 500 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Yoko Bashing NJC ["John Villasana" ] Re: Xmas music NJC ["John Villasana" ] Re: Graham luvs Joan ["philip" ] Re: Henry Diltz Special ["philip" ] Siquomb & RAP ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Discovery addendum..... [Bounced Message ] My 2-cents on Yoko (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Discovery [Scott Price ] (NJC) Jane and Julie ["Marsha" ] "Stay in Touch" ["Mark T. Klempner" ] The time has come... (NJC) [Marilune@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Jane and Julie [Susan Chaloner ] re: fave holidy music (njc) [Marilune@aol.com] Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Parker Guitars [Michael Paz ] Re: "Stay in Touch" [catman ] Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) [FredNow@aol.com] Plug Of The Week #49 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: fave holidy music (njc) [Mark or Travis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:07:06 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Yoko Bashing NJC Wolfbite wrote: "<. But the fact that her songs & sounds linger with me speaks to her understand of music- and I think that's talent."> Not necessarily, it is a fact that unpleasant noise is more memorable than consonance. A popular production trick in pop music is to insert something mildly unpleasant. It doesn't take talent. Also, you have to remember, that as part of Lennons team she had access to some of the greatest side men in the business. Any little ditty could sound fabulous with some of the line-ups she had the privilage to perform with. Again, how did she achieve this status. There are lots of talented conceptual artists that could never afford Tony Levin, for example. This speaks of my earlier point, that she rode on Lennons coat-tails. Say What !? But seriously, how serious or important an artists work is pretty subjective. I remain skeptical. If she's such a great visual artist, why did she choose to devote her time doing pop music with John Lennon. Where is her own vision, her own thrust. Where are her musical projects prior to Lennon. Oh please, who said anything about her being a woman. She is no feminist martyr. I've heard a lot of her work and I've never heard her express an origenal thought regarding womens issues. Let's get real here. She's was born to an upper class family. This is why she able to define herself however she chose. Upper class, slumming, "artists" are a dime a dozen. Besides, how could anybody on a Joni list be threatened by a strong woman. Joni is about as strong and talented as they come. And she can be as bitchy as the worst of the them. The difference here is substance. I agree that it's all conjecture. We are all talking myth whether we are talking about Joni, Van or anybody else. There is no way to know the facts. That aside, why did Lennon need a mouthpiece? Again, what was she doing in the studio. These factoids alone points to control, and codependence. I never thought of John Lennon as an intellectual. I never thought of any of the Beatles as Intellectuals. I liked it when Martin Luther King made people itch and chafe. I like it when Milos Forman makes people itch and chafe. I like it when Joni Mitchell makes people itch and chafe. All of these people had a vision that was thought provoking and engaging. They make people think about important things, and they are artful and masterful in doing so. IMHO Yoko doesn't fit the bill. I feel that I must restate an earlier statement: Just because a women is powerful or a celebrity doesn't make her a positive example for women. There are plenty of evil and powerful men. Nobody is blaming their detractors of man hating. I have heard posts about Yoko speaking of her as if she were some kind of feminists saint. What are her credentials except that she is well known, rich, and has an aggressive streak. It's not enough to be powerful. Stalin was powerful. What are they doing with that power? John San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 04:17:41 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Xmas music NJC Check out Joe Pass Six String Santa on Laserlight records. It's got to be the swinginest virtuoso Jazz XMAS cd out there. John San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:22:28 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: Re: Graham luvs Joan Nice notes about Graham Nash, Kakki Nash leaving The Hollies must be the best career move ever made in pop music. One minute he was playing in the Manchester beat group, next thing he's holding hands with Joni Mitchell and talking about forming a supergroup with a fella from The Byrds. Prior to forming The Hollies in 1962 he worked at the post office and for a tailor (according to Rock Family Trees). Philip NP radio 1 - Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:23:26 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: Re: Henry Diltz Special Kakki wrote: >Henry Diltz,as most of you know, took the most fantastic photos of >Joni and buddies in the 60s. There is a great picture of Joni by Henry Diltz in a big photo book called "A day in Los Angeles". She's sitting at her easel and there is a white fluffy cat on her lap. To me it seems like such a true portrait of the artist. Philip NP Alanis on the radio (yuck) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 11:48:10 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Siquomb & RAP She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind & Body is what Siquomb means. I think it was Joni's self-sense in the early 60s. The tracks labeled "RAP" on Mingus are not rap songs. Before "rap" meant 'numbing fodder using stolen licks', it meant 'conversation' or 'monologue'. That's what it means on Mingus. The raps are little snippets of tape made mostly at a party. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ryan asked: Ok, first of all what is "Siquomb"?? And at jm.com in the discography of the Mingus album by certain tracks it says RAP. I don't have Mingus so does that mean she raps on it, or some sort of jazz-esque scat thing? or does it stand for something? ===================================== - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 10:05:52 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Discovery addendum..... Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:33:08 +0000 From: Jason Maloney I should have added in my original post that the tape was the first of two that I am compiling....the second volume will feature tracks from WTRF, DED, CMIARS, NRH, TI and TTT.... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 11:22:06 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: My 2-cents on Yoko (NJC) Here's my simple reasons I think John was into Yoko.....and Lori, the more I hear of her the more I respect her too. Maybe you've got a sense of her like I do.....very independent and together in her head. That's how I see Yoko. She comes from a very sad background ....stealing things to eat when she was a child because there was no food....yet now a VERY smart business women. She took John's money and invested and made very wise decisions. Think about what John's life must have been like before Yoko. Throwing away his money......could have any woman he wanted becuase of who he was (a BEATLE). How many woman really cared about HIS soul......and cared enough to tell him.....even risk losing him. John's lifestyle probably didn't leave him open to many woman of substance anyway. Then he meets Yoko. He meets her at one of her shows....he's intrigued by her "art". Unfortunately I can't remember the details now (darn! they probably are important too)....but when he first meets her I believe she's at one of her avante-garde shows ....she had something on the ceiling...and I believe you had to climb a ladder and write something up there...and that's what John did. Of course he introduced himself and Yoko had no idea who he was or who the Beatles were. That must have been a first for John! So already John must have found her fascinating...plus the fact that she wasn't a classical beauty made it easier for him to focus on the "real" woman. He had probably had enough of beautiful woman anyway and was "ripe" for a women like Yoko. They already had a connection. She had met him and got to know him as just John.....without "knowing" how famous he was for that to influence her (if it could). As far as their relationship....it was a REAL working relationship. They had ups and downs with life, art, fertility.......the "other" woman in John's life. Yoko had so much confidence she told John to go to that other woman and stay until he was ready to come back and then SHE'D see if she'd take him back or not. She laid down the law and he obviously felt she was worth abiding by it. He stayed close to her side and wanted her with him constantly. She obviously was a real security in his life....a constant....a very powerful personality that didn't put up with John's crap but understood his creativity. Also a smart business woman with his money...did not just spend it but invested it, secured it, helped it grow. I believe that John learned ALOT about himself, life, and love thru Yoko. No, I didn't like her first impression either. I bought some of her earlier records and didn't like much of it (I was young then....I really need to listen to it again, now that I'm older). She doesn't smile easily and not a standard beauty. But after reading stuff about her and seeing her on TV in some interviews.......not to mention the beautiful, heart-felt love songs John has written to and about her (the song "Woman" comes to mind.....I think it's a beautiful expression), even the obvious love her own son, Sean, has for her. I see her differently. She is much more than what we see of her face in the paper. And she is beautiful when she smiles. She had a rough childhood that I'm sure shaped her into what she is now........a strong woman, a smart-savvy business woman and an extremely loving and devoted mother. The public was never privy to much of this (altho John's songs reveal alot if one cares to hear). I think that's why some of these shows (on tv) where you can hear the person talk themselves are so great. I know for me, they have changed my thinking on how I perceive a person (sometimes for the better...sometimes not). By the way I LOVED the sound of her son's band, IMO, but could never find any albums when I was looking. Did IMO actually produce any albums? Back to lurking.... Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 10:10:37 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Discovery At 04:15 PM 12/4/98 Jason Maloney wrote: >the following track-listing was >culled from LOTC, Blue, C&S, HOSL and Hejira...... > >Side One : >MORNING MORGANTOWN, BIG YELLOW TAXI, WOODSTOCK, RAINY NIGHT HOUSE, THE CIRCLE GAME, LITTLE GREEN, THE LAST TIME I SAW RICHARD, THIS FLIGHT TONIGHT, CAREY, A CASE OF YOU, HELP ME, FREE MAN IN PARIS > >Side Two : >RAISED ON ROBBERY, JUST LIKE THIS TRAIN, IN FRANCE THEY KISS ON MAIN STREET, EDITH AND THE KINGPIN, THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS, SHADOWS AND LIGHT, HEJIRA, A STRANGE BOY, AMELIA, REFUGE OF THE ROADS > >I'd be interested in any comments regarding my selections, and what >effect hearing these songs in the above order has on you... Jason: This is tough! :-) There are *so* many great songs on these albums; it's difficult to select only a few. I'd suggest that you have picked Joni's "hits," and may have omitted some of the more introspective pieces which have really defined her work. If it was me, I'd try to work in the following: For Free, Blue, River, Peoples Parties, Same Situation, Shades of Scarlett Conquering, Coyote, and Song for Sharon. These would be at the expense of Morning Morgantown, Big Yellow Taxi, Circle Game, Last Time I Saw Richard, Free Man in Paris, Carey, In France They Kiss on Main Street, and A Strange Boy. Just as Joni has often put in a big dramatic number for an album's finale, you have chosen to end the tape with Amelia and Refuge of the Roads...perfect! If I had to name my top two faves these would be the ones. >I have still to add STAS, Clouds, FTR and DJRD >from the 68-79 era to my collection, Oh man, are you in for a treat! The debut STAS will show you that even at a young age Joni already had a vision about how her music could captivate her audience's imagination. The beauty of FTR will blow you away and the complexity of DJRD will keep you listening to it over and over. Let us know how your voyage of Joni-discovery goes....Godspeed. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:27:26 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: (NJC) Jane and Julie Bernadette wrote about her holiday choices: >Jane Siberry's Child and the Waitresses' Christmas Song. Julie (we miss ya') Webb told me that she saw Jane perform Thursday night in Pittsburgh and talked to her after the show. Jane seemed thrilled when Julie mentioned she had seen Jane's praises sung on Joni's list here, and that's what motivated Jule to check her out. A good time was had by all, and I have another autograph for my Hard Knocks Cafe. (Thanks, J!) I would have trekked to Atlanta to see her show last night, but have to get ready for Susan Werner tonight here and maybe Diana Krall (depending on opening act and start time). So many good shows...so little time. Marsha p.s. I love Shawn Colvin's tribute to Jane Siberry "Kill the Messenger" on the Larry Klein-produced-and-recorded-at-Joni's "Fat City" CD. (How's that for tangential Joni content?--HA!) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark T. Klempner" Subject: "Stay in Touch" I'm interested in people's interpretations of the following lines from "Stay in Touch": During times like these The wise are influential They can bear the imperfections They can keep the harmony No doubt about it No doubt that's essential No doubt! That's always been a tricky one for me. What's Joni saying here? Please let me know what you think. Thanks--Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 14:55:21 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: The time has come... (NJC) okay boys and girls...the time has come. time to spill your top ten albums of the year. it's been happening on the sarah mclachlan list (an extremely high traffic, highly impersonal list...nothing like us!), but most of them are all gaga over pure Lilith music, which is great, but i'd like some outside opinions too. i'm not gonna post mine yet...i need to think about it first so i don't regret it later. - -mariana (9 days until winter break!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 11:58:27 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: (NJC) Jane and Julie Marsha McBabe wrote: > Julie (we miss ya') Webb Yeah! Where is that guuuuurl? How long is she gonna be? What can be more important than this list? ;~) > So many good shows...so little time. So are you taking both firemen? ;~D > p.s. I love Shawn Colvin's tribute to Jane Siberry "Kill the Messenger" > on the Larry Klein-produced-and-recorded-at-Joni's "Fat City" CD. > (How's that for tangential Joni content?--HA!) :-) Puuuuuuuuurfect! :~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...Love has many faces..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 15:11:26 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: re: fave holidy music (njc) my favorite christmas carol is "O Holy Night". some friends of mine are going caroling but knowing them they're probably gonna stand outside a Jewish Old Folks Home and yell "bingle jells". they're stoopid like that. and they're boys. actually, around this time of year, i run up a tape of songs that are "christmasy", not just carols. i put alot of warm sounding music on it...lots of sarah mclachlan, kate bush, natalie merchant, tori amos, and some soft elliott stuff. and of course some joni. here's some songs that get me feeling christmasy. alot of them are sad, but that's what i like. when new year's rolls around, it's all about the loudest stuff i can find! the offspring, eve 6, nirvana, and the foo fighters rule December 31 1998. Sarah McLachlan: angel full of grace i will remember you elsewhere ice mercy wait i love you Natalie Merchant: ophelia my skin life is sweet Kate Bush this woman's work december will be magic cloudbusting Tori Amos winter yes, anastasia cloud on my tongue baker, baker Elliott Smith angeles say yes sweet adeline Joni M. river blue for the roses see you sometime judgement of the moon and stars ciao mariana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:12:28 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) In a message dated 12/4/98 2:03:19 AM, Ellen F. Fitzgerald wrote: >I have to ask: Why are men so afraid of Yoko? And isn't it entirely >emasculating to question a man's choice of partner, when he obviously seemed >happy, and charge her with the ruination of his soul? I'm not afraid of Yoko, in fact, I dig her a lot. Some of her music is not my cup of tea, but I really dig her mind and soul. I also like her conceptual art and work with Fluxus and Nam June Paik and John Cage, et al. The anti-Yoko bias was/is not exclusive to men; many women fans of Lennon disapproved. While it's true that some men are afraid of a strong willed woman, please don't generalize that "men are afraid of Yoko." Also, much of this anti-Yoko bias, whether from men or women, is based in racism ... that bullshit "dragon-lady" thing. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 17:52:08 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) In a message dated 12/5/98 5:15:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << The anti-Yoko bias was/is not exclusive to men; many women fans of Lennon disapproved. While it's true that some men are afraid of a strong willed woman, please don't generalize that "men are afraid of Yoko." Also, much of this anti-Yoko bias, whether from men or women, is based in racism ... that bullshit "dragon-lady" thing. >> From my recollection, it was not only that Yoko was pulling John away from The Beatles, but that John and Paul were no longer getting along, mostly because of clashes between Linda and Yoko. But I wonder why most people blamed that on Yoko, rather than giving Linda an equal share of the blame. It's a little awkward to say now because Linda is dead, but if you assume Yoko's talent as an artist is equal to Linda's as a photographer, there still is no comparison between Yoko's musical ability and Linda's tone-deafness. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 16:55:58 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Parker Guitars Terry wrote: "So let me get this straight. Parkers come as acoustics or electric, but you think Joni plays the electric, right? That was my impression. Is the acoustic lighter, though? Wouldn't "hearing" the acoustic interfere with her playing? Also, would it matter WHAT kind of guitar she used, sound-wise?" Hi Terry- The Parker guitars have different pick up configurations. I think they all way pretty close to the same (about 2.2 pounds if memory serves). There is no actual acoustic sound as it is not a hollow body (that I know of). Actual acoustics wouldn't work very well because the tunings would sound weird with the natural tuning of the guitar. Too bad you can't join us in LA. Michael NP-Come on Joan get your gun you can be the German... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 23:24:14 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: "Stay in Touch" I think she might be saying she wished she had no doubt about things-like some relgious fanatics don't. personally, I think doubt is healthty-arrogance and extreme danger lay the other way. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:27:17 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) In a message dated 12/5/98 4:52:08 PM, IVPAUL4 wrote: >From my recollection, it was not only that Yoko was pulling John away from The >Beatles, but that John and Paul were no longer getting along, mostly because of >clashes between Linda and Yoko No, it had little or nothing to do with Linda and Yoko, John and Paul were clashing with each other because "The Beatles" had run its course and inherent personality/artistic differences (as demonstrated by their respective subsequent solo work) were surfacing. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:34:36 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) In a message dated 12/5/98 6:30:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << No, it had little or nothing to do with Linda and Yoko, John and Paul were clashing with each other because "The Beatles" had run its course and inherent personality/artistic differences (as demonstrated by their respective subsequent solo work) were surfacing. -Fred >> Mebbe so, but I think the perception was that Yoko and Linda caused or were responsible for those clashes between John and Paul, since few were willing to accept that John and Paul weren't getting on for their own reasons. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 18:43:14 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) In a message dated 12/5/98 5:34:36 PM, IVPAUL42 wrote: >Mebbe so, but I think the perception was that Yoko and Linda caused or were responsible >for those clashes between John and Paul, since few were willing to accept that >John and Paul weren't getting on for their own reasons Right, which was due to sexism and, in Yoko's case, also racism. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 01:33:01 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #49 Hi there, Like father, like son, they say - well, about Sally Taylor you could easily say - like mother and father, like daughter. Sally Taylor is the daughter of Carly Simon and James Taylor, and if you haven't yet heard her debut album, you're in for a real treat. The album is: Sally Taylor - Tomboy Bride ( Blue Elbow ) Sally's music has folk and rock influences, but some of the tunes could be better described as jazz. The soulful songs were all written by Sally over the past 2 - 3 years. When she found herself in Colorado, she decided to do some recording. Her intention was only to make a demo, to organize her music and make a collection of her songs for herself. But with the help of Wendy Woo, her co-producer, they ended up with "Tomboy Bride", a patchwork of Sally's colourful life. As a child, surrounded by recording equipment, Taylor says she, "has always been touching things I wasn't supposed to be touching" and recording over her parents tapes. Snippets of her childhhod home tapes appear here and there on her new album. The title "Tomboy Bride" is a reference to a book she found in Telluride: the saga of a free-thinking 19th century frontier woman. The concept informed both the title song, about a wild, pipe-smoking saloon gal, and the album art, which shows Taylor in a slip and cowboy hat. "After the whole album was done, I was at home and Donald Fagen ( of Steely Dan ) called me and said: ' I'd love to produce a track ' . What was I going to say? He's this idol of mine. I said "Thank you, God, I'm going to New York on the next plane" Taylor says. After two days in the studio, he said ' Do you mind if I call in my partner to help me mix this down?' and in comes Walter Becker... I was completely blown away, sitting in the corner trying to breathe". The session with the Steely Dan twins resulted in the song "When We're Together". The album closes with the song "Unsong Dance", recorded in her father's living room in Martha's Vineyard. He plays guitar on the tune. Sally's beautiful silvery alto voice is like sunshine. She sounds indistinctly like both of her parents ( Simon & Taylor ), but she has stumbled onto something entirely new and authentic. If this makes you feel like searching out the album, try writing: sally@sallytaylor.com or info@arielpublicity.com or search out Sally's website at: http://www.sallytaylor.com This is the start of something GREAT! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 17:21:20 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: "Stay in Touch" Mark T. Klempner wrote: > > I'm interested in people's interpretations of the following lines from > "Stay in Touch": > > During times like these > The wise are influential > They can bear the imperfections > They can keep the harmony > No doubt about it > No doubt that's essential > No doubt! > That's always been a tricky one for me. > > What's Joni saying here? Please let me know what you think. At the crucial moments of a new relationship, those with some experience & patience can look past the imperfections in both themselves and the other person and see if there is a greater good to be gained. Joni seems to be saying that this ability is essential in building a healthy, successful relationship and that it does not come easily to her. That's my take. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 17:32:39 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: fave holidy music (njc) Marilune@aol.com wrote: > > my favorite christmas carol is "O Holy Night". Kathleen Battle does the best version of 'O Holy Night' imo. When she goes for that high note on 'de-VI-ine' on the last chorus it sends shivers up my spine. By the way, Mariana, I read in the Seattle paper that Elliott Smith is appearing with a bunch of other acts at a special holiday show our local alternative radio station is sponsoring. Others are Hole, Garbage, Soul Coughing, Cherry Poppin' Daddies, Cake & Mark Lanegan. I thought of you right away, Mariana! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 17:48:43 -0800 From: Mark or Travis Subject: Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > >From my recollection, it was not only that Yoko was pulling John away from > The Beatles, but that John and Paul were no longer getting along, mostly > because of clashes between Linda and Yoko. Personally I think this theory is just plain silly even if it is true. John & Paul weren't teenagers when the Beatles broke up. (Neither were Yoko & Linda, for that matter.) These were adult men & women here. This sounds like a plot device for a bad sitcom or soap opera. If they allowed themselves to be influenced by fights between their spouses into busting up the most successful pop/rock band in history then they were beings much too flawed to be worthy of adulation or even much respect. On the other hand, if relationships between the two of them had deteriorated to such a point that they were no longer able to produce any kind of credible music together, then it was the mature thing to break the band up & go their separate ways. Based on their own feelings and not those of anybody else. Maybe they just did what they had to do. Besides it was the breakup of a band, fercrissake. Not the invasion of Poland or the bombing of Hiroshima. Neither Linda nor Yoko deserves to be stigmatized for all time because of this relatively insignificant event. Mark in Seattle (putting on the asbestos suit & holding his breath) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:29:20 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: TTT Listed in Rolling Stone In the new issue of RS, TTT was listed as one of the best albums of 1998. That's the good news. The bad news is they didn't write any comments about the album like they did with many of the others. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 21:31:41 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Testing 123 I recently had acouple of posts returned to me. Is anybody out there? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #500 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?