From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #497 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, December 4 1998 Volume 03 : Number 497 JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Amelia and Joni [Gertus@aol.com] Shana and Janet Planet (NJC) ["Kakki" ] hitching a ride(SJC) [paul.graham@sunderland.ac.uk (GRAHAM Paul)] Re[2]: Movie Review "'Round Midnight" [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re:Hitching a ride(NJC) [catman ] Re: Hitching a ride(NJC) [catman ] Re[2]: Movie Review "'Round Midnight" (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re[2]: Something about Mary - was Hitchers (NJC) [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.] Re: Need Nov. 28th issue of Billboard magazine (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) ["Ryan Lantrip" ] Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Get it together(Holiday Music/NJC) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Amelia and Joni ["Marsha" ] Re: Something about Mary - was Hitchers (NJC) [catman ] Re:(NJC)NYoung picks up hitchers... [Randy Remote ] Re: Dino, Gino & Jesse (NJC) [Dreamzvill@aol.com] Re: NJC Get it together(Holiday Music) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) [Susan Chaloner ] Re: joni guitar notes-my take [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) ["Don Rowe" ] Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) ["Don Rowe" ] RE: Get it together(Holiday Music) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC Get it together(Holiday Music) [catman ] Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) [Joseph Palis ] Re: (Holiday Music) NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: (Holiday Music) NJC [Mark Domyancich ] RE: Get it together(Holiday Music) -njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] (NJC) No More Hitchhiker Worries In Texas [LRFye@aol.com] Re: joni guitar notes-my take [Randy Remote ] VG-8's Get your VG-8's and Parkers too [Michael Paz Subject: Shana and Janet Planet (NJC) O.K., so I'm resigned to never going back to real life..... I made it over to the Opium Den tonight to see Shana Morrison. It is a bowels of Hollywood way-too-hip dive off Hollywood Blvd. Yet, of course it has a fancy and formal red-suited valet sevice outside the door. The place is like a very small old brick-walled garage. Walking in I am immediately out of place - it is like a Goth/punk movie set. I order a drink and all the cocktail "glasses" are plastic. I think that there is no way that even Shana's mother, Janet, is going to hang in this place. I try to hide myself up against a far wall. Then I look next to me and there alongside the wall is none other than Janet Morrison Minto herself! Full of newfound chutzpah I say hello and she is immediately effusive and friendly! I must tell you that she is absolutely 100% solid gold genuine and sweet. Told her how much I enjoyed the recent interview in the L.A. Times and she was very happy. She said that her main intention was to promote Shana in the article but that the Times cut out most of the stuff she said and focused on Van instead. She also said that long-lost friends who she lost touch with had come out of the woodwork looking her up after reading the article and how incredible it was to her. I told her how much we enjoyed Shana's appearance with Van in L.A. in May and said that she is extremely talented. Janet kept telling me over and over that she and, presumably Van, are themselves continually amazed at all the talent that overflows from their daughter. She said that Shana and her band Caledonia almost only perform exclusively in the San Francisco Bay area because the band are working musicians who only get paid decently there. L.A. has been a horrible place for musicians since the early 80s. Groups virtually have to "pay to play." She said that Shana was showcasing for major record labels tonight. When I asked her if many reps were there she said there were "tons" of them. So I'm thinking "where are they?" Then I see others who don't fit in the crowd like me and I think "ah ha there they are!" Shana and the band came out and were just fantastic. She has the same innately divine sense of performance as her father. All the material is written or co-written by Shana and the band. As some who heard her here know, she has a huge voice. I watched the record people and bigwig agents in the crowd and noticed that they could not help but groove along with her. One very Beverly Hills agent type was grooving and then looking around the room to see how others were responding to her. Midway through Janet herself got out in the middle of the floor and just danced along like she was transfixed. It's amazing to see Shana. I really believe she has totally inherited her father's legacy but wonder how appreciated she will be as a young woman in the music business. She is a pure mega talent. I really hope her immense talent will overcome the tendency in the record biz to only promote the novel hip-of-the-moment chick-schtick. The good sign was that they appeared to be very impressed with her in spite of their too-cool selves! Shana only did about seven songs and would not come back out even after a pleading encore. Ha! She has her father's style, too! Kakki NP: Van - If You Love Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:30:14 GMT From: paul.graham@sunderland.ac.uk (GRAHAM Paul) Subject: hitching a ride(SJC) Hi all, we just got through running a short term radio station here at the Uni,(http.www.utopiafm.sunderland.ac.uk) and being an old timer I was allowed to play exactly what I wanted to.... so it was Free man in Paris and Twisted in my first show, Coyote in the second, and Big Yellow taxi on Sunday, as well as This flight tonight recorded by Nazareth. I seem to have become a cult figure (at least I think that is the word they used!) amongst the great unwashed, I have even cut a record! So life maybe does begin at 40 afterall, just when I thought it was all downhill from here.. I always stop for hitchers unless they look really mean, I picked up a couple in the Loire valley this summer, who looked like Big Issue sellers (homeless magazine in the UK) lots of piercing and dredlocks, and it was amusing chatting in Franglais, trying to explain why I was driving in squirkles looking for a moulin to paint "je cherche la moulin... d'accord? Don Quixote? oh, quelle damage, have a Silk Cut." The same holiday I went down the local village one evening to buy some smokes and the bar I went to did'nt have any, but these 2 guys at the bar offered to show me where I could get some, one climbed into his car I climbed in the passenger seat and his mate who said nothing got in the seat behind me... well I just felt uneasy, I sat twisted round in the chair so I would not be taken by surprise with a ligature or something equally nasty, and kept talking real friendly. "Squeal like a pig boy" Nothing happened but I felt really uncomfortable for the round trip to the bar across town, which was at breakneck speed on the wrong side of the road of course! Paul Was playing; CSNY, Little Feat, RLJ, Tom Waits, Steely Dan, Foriegner, Joe Walsh, Free Bad Company, Hendrix, Deep Purple Led Zep, Pat Travers, Nazareth, Ry Cooder, Strawbs, Faces, Bob Seeger ,Cheap Trick, Santana, Who, Allmans, Joe Jackson, James Taylor, Joni Mitchell and many many more.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:26:09 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Movie Review "'Round Midnight" >I have several albums made on Blue Note label during these years led by Herbie or Wayne, usually with Ron and Tony on them, often with each other on them, and Freddie Hubbard filling in on trumpet--- and I dont' find any of them nearly as interesting as the stuff they did with Miles. It's not even because of the trumpet playing... it's the oddest thing, the other four actually sounded better when they were playing with Miles... which sorta makes sense, cuz there was no better time to play their best... I'm betting that working with someone on Miles' stature tends to bring out the best in you. Same would go for Joni, Billy Idol & Tom Petty notwithstanding... Bob M. NP: "Christmas in Heaven" from 'Charles Brown's COOL Christmas Blues' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:33:09 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re:Hitching a ride(NJC) - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 13:33:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Hitching a ride(NJC) Those hitchers you describe are exactly the sort I do give rides too-hippy/traveller/ecowarrior types are not going to be dangerous, in my experience. I avoid men who look 'normal'. catman wrote: > -- > CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html > TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:30:14 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Movie Review "'Round Midnight" (NJC) > 'Round Midnight > is an older film, don't recall the year, but it's the story of a jazz > musician named Dale Turner, played to perfection by Dexter Gordon (no > great stretch for him to play a master saxophonist, but he handles the > non-music scenes with warmth as well). > I too liked this movie. It captures the hues of Paris -- the late night stroll, the musicality it brings to those who are in despair, the endless yearning for perfection and unfulfilment... Dexter Gordon, a consummate bebop gymnast was nominated for his performance which, like you said.. is no great stretch for him.. > The film features a lot of great music, supplied by Herbie Hancock > (more synchronicity), Ron Carter, Freddie Hubbard, and Joni's own > Wayne Shorter. The plot was interesting to me as it dealt with Dale's > redemption from addiction due to the involvement of a true fan of his > music. Truly an uplifting movie, for those of you who may not like > "foreign" films, it has some subtitles as the bulk of the film takes > place in France, but for me that just adds to the charm. > The music is awesome. Lonette McKee (Jungle Fever) eclipsed recent memory of the Gershwin staple "How Long Has This Been Going On?". Joseph, thanks for supplying her name - I couldn't pick it out of the credits...her scenes and voice were indeed superb, and what a fox!! Jungle Fever, indeed... Bob M, trying to combat a genuine fever at the moment. (You know you're a Joni addict when you drag your sick butt into the office to get the latest Joni mail :^D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 08:36:00 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re[2]: Something about Mary - was Hitchers (NJC) Colin wrote: Something about Mary has to be the most funny film i ever seen. it still makes me LOL just thinking about it. - -- As much as I also thought the movie was "bringing-tears-to-the-eyes" funny, I'm already dreading the copycats we'll be subjected to, sorta like when Animal House was a smash and dozens of unfunny "wild 'n crazy" movies followed in its wake... Bob M., who now ALWAYS checks his ears when someone's knocking at the front door ;^D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:05:49 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Need Nov. 28th issue of Billboard magazine (NJC) In a message dated 02/12/98 09:15:00, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << I have a good friend who is a Leonard Cohen fan, and there is apparently a 14 page tribute to LC in this issue. Is there anyone on the list who could get a copy of this issue for me? I'll send you the money for the cost of the magazine plus postage to Europe. My friend would be very grateful! >> I see, Marian. Is your "friend" a big Joni fan too?? Is s/he ashamed of being a Lennie fan?? Jes' kiddin... Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 08:18:49 CST From: "Ryan Lantrip" Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) > So what is everyone's favorite Christmas record/CD/tape? Mine >would be either this one or 'A Charlie Brown Christmas'... > Mine would be the "Very Special Christmas" albums, its a group of popular artists at the time doing various Holiday songs ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:38:40 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) > > > So what is everyone's favorite Christmas record/CD/tape? Mine > >would be either this one or 'A Charlie Brown Christmas'... That, Joan Baez's Noel, and Striesand's Christmas album. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:43:11 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Beware of Hitchers? NAH... (NJC) In a message dated 03/12/98 00:11:37, bern.gallagher@cwix.com writes: << One last story about a fiend [sic] of mine who was hitching in California >> Neil Young can count himself lucky to be alive!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:43:05 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Hitchers (NJC) In a message dated 02/12/98 23:47:53, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Though I won't forget the time I saw a white Mercedes pick up a hitcher! (Joking) >> You may jest - I was a dedicated hitcher for about 6-7 years, and one of the highlights was when I was picked up by a Porsche! I hitched all over Germany, various parts of France, Switzerland and of course England, and met some lovely people in that time. One time I was trying to get from Zurich across the border to France, and having no luck at all. It was getting dark when someone finally stopped. It was a man with his young son, who was bald and blind from chemotherapy. The man had to stop off at a supermarket, and carry the son wherever he went. The problem was that the son was quite heavy (must have been about 4 or 5), and the man was pretty small, so he was struggling. I offered to look after the son while the man went and got his groceries. Now you may be thinking that this man was crazy to allow a complete stranger to look after his vulnerable young son, albeit in a crowded place and only for a few minutes. Well, I like to think that he sensed I was trustworthy, and the boy did too. I was very touched by their trust. I ended up being invited back to meet the rest of his family and stay the night in a beautiful little town called Yverdon. There was an outdoor drama festival going on, so I later went to see a play in the town square, as the night fell. It was a day I'll never forget, and it wouldn't have happened but for me standing by the motorway with a sign in my hand! Love and peace y'all Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:43:18 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: hitching a ride(SJC) In a message dated 03/12/98 10:30:57, paul.graham@sunderland.ac.uk writes: << Was playing; CSNY, Little Feat, RLJ, Tom Waits, Steely Dan, Foriegner, Joe Walsh, Free Bad Company, Hendrix, Deep Purple Led Zep, Pat Travers, Nazareth, Ry Cooder, Strawbs, Faces, Bob Seeger ,Cheap Trick, Santana, Who, Allmans, Joe Jackson, James Taylor, Joni Mitchell and many many more.... >> Good on you Paul! I was a student radio buff at Exeter for 3 years, and I'd love to get back into it. In fact, if the University of East London has a campus radio station, maybe I will. I'll finally be in a position to foist my musical taste on a larger number of people... Azeem NP: nothing cos I'm at work - in my head it's "Ain't No Going Back" by Annabel Lamb, which Im trying to learn to play and sing before a party on Sunday ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 06:51:04 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Hejira Skies/Crazy Cries This morning the sky was black and white. Soft, long clouds were slung low on the horizon, and the sun was just peeking through enough to add a bit of blue and orange light. A 'Hejira' sky. So there's no choice, of course, but flip in the tape and crank up the JBLs. In fact, it's also so warm here in St. Louis that I could roll down my windows. Well, just as I'm sure I'm the only person in a several hundred mile radius playing Joni at "11" -- I pull up to a stoplight, and a woman in the car next to me rolls down her window. She smiles, so I don't think she's going to tell me to turn it down. I back off to about 5 on the volume scale ... she turns up her stereo ... "Crazy Cries of Love" spills out. Thumbs up, volumes back up and we're on our way. It's going to be a great day! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 07:15:58 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music/NJC) >> > So what is everyone's favorite Christmas record/CD/tape? Mine >> >would be either this one or 'A Charlie Brown Christmas'... > Guaraldi is right up there. David Sandborne's "Cool Yule", Nat King Cole's "Holiday", "Fresh Aire Christmas", "Messiah" -- I have an OLD 2-LP with Philadelphia Sumphony, Eileen Ferrell and Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Bold and wildly romantic (not one for the original period instrument fans), it has a power like none since. "Ahmal and the Night Visitors" -- Teresa Stratos (sp?)with Israeli Philharmonic conducted by Menotti himself. Another oldie, but goodie. And who can forget the Firestone Tire and Rubber box set, with arrangements by Andre Previn, various vocalists, most memorable of which is Julie Andrews. Hope this brings back memories ... :-) Don Rowe Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:31:28 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: Amelia and Joni Jacky wrote about Amelia E: >If she had long hair, I'm sure you could think it was >Joni. Anyone else noticed the similarity? It's just a false alarm... ;-) Marsha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:25:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Something about Mary - was Hitchers (NJC) I don't see how they could top Something About Mary or make a sequel. but I guess they will try. I never found the Animal House films funny. The only other film I can think of which I thought was really funny was Outrageous Fortune. coli(who doesn't check his ears cos I would never do such a thing in the first place! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:27:38 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Welcome, Vicki! Just want to say "Welcome to the List!" You'll love this place..... Where in California are you? Susan Crawford Morro Bay, California ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:30:11 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) I HATE Xmas albums. and Xmas! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 98 08:43:08 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Indy outburst Hi everyone, I've been able to listen to Joni's performance in Indianapolis from last month (thanks, simon!), including her supposed tirade towards certain noisy audience members. Here's what I hear on the tape: During "Face Lift," Joni is distracted by two drunks in the first rows. She over-emphasizes a few phrases during the song, sounding as if she's spitting her vocal phrases out directly at them, particularly on the line "Snap out of it!" As she finishes the song and the applause begins, Joni goes off on the culprits, saying: "You're a couple of rude assholes. You know, you really are. Why do you bother to come to a concert and sit there and smirk and giggle and everything? You know, you're drunken little fucks! You're ruining it for everybody that wants to hear me. You maybe don't want to hear me, but why do you have to sit in my face? If you don't wanna listen, then get out of here until Bobby comes on, eh? You're ruining my performance! " Joni isn't screaming while she says this, just stating her case bluntly and firmly. She then launches into a rougher than usual version of "Sex Kills." After she finishes "SK," Joni starts into the story behind her next song, "The Magdalene Laundries," but a few fans yell out their support for her previous outburst, so she says "Oh, thank you" to them, and adds: "I'm just a tempermental artist, aren't I? (Audience applauds and hoots) No, it's inhibiting. They were mimicking the way I move, and giggling and everything. It's inhibiting. It's hard to get over. We're human up here. It's not a movie." Her voice and performance sound just fine before the incident but she never truly recovers her concentration afterwards. She's biting off the ends of her sentences throughout the rest of her shortened set, and is upset enough that she completely skips her usual encore song "Woodstock." Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:34:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re:(NJC)NYoung picks up hitchers... > I heard stories in high school (in the SF Bay Area) about guys who said Neil > picked them up hitching-- in his hearse! > > Yep, you guessed it. NEIL FUCKING YOUNG picks up hitchers. > Too bad he don't live near me! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:35:30 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Dino, Gino & Jesse (NJC) Kakki - You GO, girl! You got the history of rock'n'roll DOWN! Love, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:55:28 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: NJC Get it together(Holiday Music) >I HATE Xmas albums. and Xmas! > Well we'll just have to start calling you "Ebeneezer Catman" then, won't we! ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:06:45 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) Catman, sweetie wrote: > I HATE Xmas albums. and Xmas! You must be the original grinch cat! "...Be nice kitty kitty..." or we shall have to send the ghost of every miserly record exec on the planet after you ;~) Merry Ho Ho!! Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...The time to watch the beast the best Is when it's purring at your side..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:17:36 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: joni guitar notes Possibly more than you want to know about Joni's equipment (additions and corrections welcomed): Electric or acoustic? Well...Parker makes several "Fly" models. Joni's appears to be the 'concert' model, described as an "advanced acoustic guitar" employing a Fishman piezo pickup. The point is kind of moot, though, because the Roland VG-8 system she uses requires a 'hex' pickup (we already knew she was a sorcerer), which picks up each string individually, allowing each string to be processed independently. So the whole system by it's nature is electronic. You will notice a thin black pickup right under the bridge of her guitar (the hex), and a big black thing on the face of it which connects to a special cord, and has a volume control, as well as a switch to blend the guitar's internal pickup (useless to Joni, because the natural sound of the guitar would not be in tune with the processed sound). Her choice of this particular guitar, besides being a fine instrument, is it's extreme light weight of about 3 pounds. She has stated that back problems make holding a regular electric guitar too painful. Save your allowance, the Concert costs about $2,500. Before the Parker, she was using the system with a Fender Stratocaster. Maybe you know the story, but the VG-8 was introduced to her by Graham Nash, who had a prototype from Roland at his house. The system enables you to change user preset tunings at the push of a footswitch, just what the doctor ordered for Ms. Mitchell! Before that, it was either retuning for each song (early on), or, later, having an army of separately tuned guitars onstage. And the guitars do not take kindly to being detuned in this way, they are constucted for a certain string tension, so neck warpage is a big problem. Much of this info came from a magazine Roland puts out to it's customers, "Roland User's Group", which featured a cover story and interview with JM in the fall of 1997. Maybe if you wrote to Roland they would send you one. Their address is Roland Corp 7200 Dominion Circle, Los Angeles, CA 90040 (213) 685-5141 I heard someone say that Joni's new guitar tone is muddy sounding. I would describe it as lush. The last song on TTT, "Tiger Bones", is simply Joni's guitar part from the TTT song. Notice the stereo separation, the bass strings on the left, and the treble strings on the right. This would not be possible with a regular guitar. It's just one guitar, but it sure sounds full. It's also a great opportunity to focus on Joni's fine fingerpicking technique. The CD booklet, by the way, incorrectly copies the credits for TTT: JM on guitar, vocals and keyboards, even though there are no vocals or keys. Cheers, Randy Remote "they're puttin' up Reindeer..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:43:51 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take First of all thanks for this really interesting post. A short time ago I sent out something to some members of the list and two were so happy for my little gift that they sent me some tapes from two joni concerts. One was the new orleans jazz festival in 1995 (they announced her new ablum TI) the other was from this year (1998) in NY. During the 1995 tape she says that "this is the first time I have used this new computer guitar". The difference between the sound she was getting in 1995 and now was huge. the 1995 recording the sound is brackish, stark, and almost a toneless scratching with only the aftretones exhibiting the sound. Most of the songs have the same sound to the extent that there is little ambience. This by the way is typical when one trys their new gizmos for the first time. It takes a long time to learn how to use computerized anything to its maximum. In the 1998 show she has developed a MUCH fuller, much richer, sound. You can really tell that she has worked hard to develop her use of this complex mechanism. The one problem I have with the VG-8 is that it produces one basic sound. At least the way she is using it. It is a sound that works much better on some songs than others but it doesnt work on every song. It is a struggle to bring some of the arrangements from her albums into the realm of the VG-8 where it works well. It works well on magdalena and hejira and Amelia but not so well on others. I really dont know why Joni uses it as her only instrument. She undoubtedly has a number of guitars that she owns (undoubtedly incredible instruments) the concert producers ALWAYS will provide a grand piano, the dulcimer wont hurt her back sitting on her lap, and roadies dont cost an arm and a leg etc etc. My bottom line is she is such a marvelous pianist and dulcimer player that it would be so wonderful if she didnt abandon the acoustic instruments entirely during her shows. Of course ever since John left the Beatles for Yoko I have felt that musicians are too ephemeral in their views. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:01:45 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) MDESTE1 writes ... Of course ever since John left the Beatles for Yoko I have felt that >musicians are too ephemeral in their views. > One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:01:45 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) MDESTE1 writes ... Of course ever since John left the Beatles for Yoko I have felt that >musicians are too ephemeral in their views. > One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:01:45 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) MDESTE1 writes ... Of course ever since John left the Beatles for Yoko I have felt that >musicians are too ephemeral in their views. > One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:01:45 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) MDESTE1 writes ... Of course ever since John left the Beatles for Yoko I have felt that >musicians are too ephemeral in their views. > One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:01:45 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) MDESTE1 writes ... Of course ever since John left the Beatles for Yoko I have felt that >musicians are too ephemeral in their views. > One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:01:45 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) MDESTE1 writes ... Of course ever since John left the Beatles for Yoko I have felt that >musicians are too ephemeral in their views. > One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:17:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Get it together(Holiday Music) Oh Colin! I love Xmas and all things Xmassy. As soon as December rolls in, I start singing carols and " decking the halls". And then, the Xmas week is so special: my birthday is right in the middle of it AND there's so much marzipan to eat!!!! By the way, Colin, either your birthday is coming up or it has recently been. Am I wrong? WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 12:56:34 -0800 From: Susan Chaloner Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take(NJC now) Don Rowe wrote: > One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at > Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) Thankyou Don! I, for one, require alot of repetition ;~) Susan L.A. Honey McBabe-"...How do you stop before it's too late?..."-JoniM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:26:13 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) When I was a kid, my fave was called "Around The Christmas Tree" - one of those cheap, late-'50's compilations we got free at the grocery store or something. But it had the greatest versions of Christmas tunes. Esp. liked Nat King Cole's versions. Love, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:26:23 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take In a message dated 98-12-03 15:06:11 EST, you write: << > One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) Don Rowe >> Don- I'll take one. Great stuff about the technical aspects (gutiars, etc.) of joni- my favorite part of the jmdl. Hey, Wally- any theory about why she doesn't play the piano anymore? What's the last album she played it on (alot)? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:33:53 +0000 From: "Ellen F. Fitzgerald" Subject: bounced back to Bob M. This letter got sent back to me so I'm sending it again. >Dear Bob, > >Thank you for responding the way you did. I never have seen Fantasia, so I >can't relate directly to that comparison. I'm glad that you stuck with that >little instinct to keep listening to Joni's music. I can't say that I'm >always in touch with the kind receptivity I mentioned. But Joni's music has >challenged and changed enough to encourage that. I have often called her >"the guardian of my femininity." I check in with her to keep my >sensibilities on track. I delight when she wants to zing the same oppressive >forces that have burned me up. Her last two albums are the best examples of >this. Without this kind of expression available to us non-performing types, >we could easily fall prey to the crackdown on creativity in this penal >colony they call a country. > >With you in Joni's audience, > >Ellen > > >At 08:22 AM 12/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >> >> You have to be ready for it. It's not always the music that falls short, >>it's the level of receptivity within the person listening to it. Music can't >>make you sensitive to it. That's work you have to do for yourself. >> >> Ellen, >> >> This was a wonderful post, and one that I want to respond to a couple >> of times to hit on some of the things you discuss. This statement you >> make reminds me of when I heard Hejira for the first time - I was 18 >> and didn't comprehend much of it, that is to say that I wasn't ready >> for it (unlike some of more "receptive" teenagers on this list; I'm >> envious of them for that), but I was astute enough to know that there >> was SOMETHING important about the record, and of course, I always >> enjoyed the "sound" of the record. I continued to listen to it and as >> my life experiences grew, so did my understanding of the record. The >> cool thing is that I know there are so many more revelations waiting >> for me on this disc as well as all of her work! >> >> Hejira reminds me of what Disney was attempting to do with Fantasia - >> he stated at the beginning of the film that he was creating a new art >> form - the combination of Classical music & animation. Audiences >> didn't now what to make of the film and it tanked. Likewise, IMO >> anyway, Joni created a new art form with Hejira - a combination of >> poetry & music that's more aural landscape than anything that had come >> before (it sure ain't rock n' roll, pop, jazz, whatever). Hejira was >> critically well-received but no one could pigeonhole it so it met the >> same fate as Fantasia. I'm just glad I'm one of the lucky ones making >> the effort to understand it. >> >> Bob M. in SC >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 14:49:09 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Yoko @ Costco (NJC now) There should be Japanese bumper stickers, or bumper stickers from the 60s NYC avante garde art scene, saying "Still pissed at Lennon"... I'm no Yoko fan (although I like some of her visual art), but I sort of remember reading, in that 'Day in the Life' Beatles bio, that the breakup had maybe more to do with Lennon and McCarthy's disillusionment with one another. - -jan >MDESTE1 writes ... >Of course ever since John left the Beatles for Yoko I have felt that >>musicians are too ephemeral in their views. >> >One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers reads: "Still pissed at >Yoko" ... would you like me to get you one? ;-) > >Don Rowe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 23:49:39 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC Get it together(Holiday Music) mmm but it doesn't quite fit cos I am not a miser or mean Don Rowe wrote: > >I HATE Xmas albums. and Xmas! > > > Well we'll just have to start calling you "Ebeneezer Catman" then, won't > we! ;-) > > Don Rowe > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 00:11:28 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) Wally-every year for many years i tried to feel good about Xmas-and gave up! It brings back too much crap. Yes my 40th is on the 16th. I don't like birhdays either, not mine anyhow. To me Xmas is a memory of terror and pain. It is also a time when 'family' is rammed down your throat. I think Xmas is great for those that like it-I don't think it should be banned or anything. Maybe one day i will learn to enjoy it! Stranger thoings have happened. Usually,John and I eat all the things we don't normally, like the things that are 'bad' for you and keep our heads down till it is over! And remember as an ex JW Xmas is wicked anyhow!!!! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:40:31 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Amelia and Joni On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 Gertus@aol.com wrote: What struck me about the photograph is that > she looks so like Joni! If she had long hair, I'm sure you could think it was > Joni. Anyone else noticed the similarity? Yes. I agree. Although Amelia Earhart looks more like Diane Keaton to me than Joni. There is this Canadian actress who looks like the WTRF-era Joni. She is Deborah Kara Unger (The Game, Crash) Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:44:16 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) > > > > > So what is everyone's favorite Christmas record/CD/tape? Mine > > >would be either this one or 'A Charlie Brown Christmas'... > > That, Joan Baez's Noel, and Striesand's Christmas album. ... and Manhattan Transfer's Christmas album, Ella Fitzgerald's and Wynton Marsalis'. Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:45:32 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) -njc > > > So what is everyone's favorite Christmas record/CD/tape? There's a live version of Springsteen and the E Street Band doing "Santa Claus Is Coming to Town" that I love. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:08:32 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Judy Collins/Charlie Rose (JC) Hey guys! Judy Collins was interviewed on today's Charlie Rose. Check your listings! You may be able to still see it later tonight. I'm still awaiting Joni! (And yes, I've taped every Charlie Rose this week!) Mark, psycho NP-Nothing Can Be Done ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:03:03 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: (Holiday Music) NJC In a message dated 12/3/98 7:42:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, pglass@tasyo.kssp.upd.edu.ph writes: << So what is everyone's favorite Christmas record/CD/tape? Mine > > >would be either this one or 'A Charlie Brown Christmas'... > >> Single: "The Marvelous Toy" Album: The Chipmunks Christmas Album Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:18:00 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) Without a shred of doubt "Holly Holy" by Jr.Walker and the All Stars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:32:36 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: (Holiday Music) NJC My mom has a collection of Johnny Mathis Christmas records I like. I suppose I'll have to get out my portable record player for her now... :) pglass@tasyo.kssp.upd.edu.ph wrote: > So what is everyone's favorite Christmas record/CD/tape? Mine >would be either this one or 'A Charlie Brown Christmas'... ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:37:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Get it together(Holiday Music) -njc - ->> > > So what is everyone's favorite Christmas record/CD/tape? I never thought I'd do this on the JMDL, but I think it's time I came out of the closet: I'm a Carpenters fan!!! And one of my favorite Xmas CD's is their "Xmas Portrait". Karen sounds so young and sweet on that one. However, my all-time favorite carol is In the Bleak Mid-winter. [Though spare me Jessye Noeman's version, please. She sounds like one of the cows in the manger.] WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 02:11:44 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music) -njc You're not alone Wally. I like The Carpenters too. I think Karen had the most wonderful voice. Such a shame she didn't make it. i didn't always like the song but her voice is one of the few that stick in my mind as really good. Doesn't compare to carly's voice tho! I also like that woman who sings with M People, tho i don't like any of their songs. Her voice really is good too. I guess I like powerful, strong voices. John loves Striesand's but I find her voice weedy. Midler's on the other hand gives me bumps. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:17:06 -0800 From: Travis Moser Subject: Re: Get it together(Holiday Music/NJC) Don Rowe wrote: And who can forget the > Firestone Tire and Rubber box set, with arrangements by Andre Previn, > various vocalists, most memorable of which is Julie Andrews. > > Hope this brings back memories ... :-) It does indeed. I actually found the Julie Andrews sessions on CD last year. I remember my folks gave me the Firestone LP for Xmas back in the 60's & I was thrilled cause as a kid I was completely taken with Julie Andrews. The cover was a pink Xmas package with a big red bow. Julie's young, clear but warm & expressive soprano was a wonderful instrument for those Xmas carols. I also love the Joan Baez 'Noel' & the Streisand album that Jerry Notaro mentioned. Emmylou Harris' 'Light of the Stable' is another good one. The title track has Neil Young, Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt singing an echo-like harmony vocal. It's great! Mark in Seattle (Deb Messling - I'd be willing to tape the Julie Andrews for you if you're interested) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:51:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Xmas and the beads of sweat NJC[N NYRO C either] Colin, I know what you mean. For one thing, my dad used to get really drunk and beat us all up and then some every fucking Xmas. Still, I think of Xmas as the time when everything that's kind of good or fun [childhood, toys, generosity, sweets] is celebrated. Many years ago, I decided never to spend Xmas again with anyone unless that person loved Xmas as much as I do. And I've kept my promise to this day: I always spend it alone. I prepare myself a nice meal, I play my favorite carols and I try to remember the god of my childhood, the one I believed in when I was trying to survive all that abuse and terror. I'm a very religious non-believer, I guess. My birthday is also a thing of joy to me. I simply can't believe I've made it! For 38 years I've managed to survive military dictatorships, hyperinflation, AIDS, my folks, false-hearted lovers, cancer and my own self-destructive little habits. I feel like a hero every December 27. WallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 03:13:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Xmas and the beads of sweat NJC[N NYRO C either] Well Wally you are a Hero! As you know, i identify a lot with you, tho i din't know your story till now but I already blurbed mine! the one thing I do feel about my birthday-I survived another year and that is something to be really proud of. I spend my Xmas of course with john. i love him, he loves me. unfortunately there is always this other fucker in my head who misses family etc even tho i wouldn't want to spend one minute with them! Having said that, i do see this time of year in a positive light too-I look back over where I have come from and each year I can see how i have improved on the one before-the steps forward I have taken even when it has felt like I have gone backwards. The tempatation to get rat faced or stoned is also much higher-tho i do not do either now. I only use nictine now-not even tea or coffee anymore! Wally you amaze me. Whilst i share some of your experience i do not share the disease aspect. I did nearly die with my liver prob in the 80's but apart from that i have always been physically well. I have lost sevral friends in the last 3 yrs. Sean who was only 28 died from lung cancer, Patsy from cancer at 37, Michael from suicide at 18. Two other friends have HIV. One I no longer have contact with(he wants it that way-he shut off) and andrew ny neighbour. he is really brave I think. i know i couldn't cope with that too. on my bad days i feel feel ashamed when i think of him. here I am in bits cos of ancient shit and there he is living life. Even my stomach problem scares me. i hate pain and it is scary-especially when one has no faith in drs. But thru it all I have learned that LOVE really is all that matters and I DO have faith in that. In my difficultyies I have been given so much love, especially recently when I have had three months of flashbacks again(fucking things). And some of the support has come from people on the JMDL that i now write with regulalry. Wally, you truly amaze me. I couldn't survive on my own for 5 minutes. Bless you and I truly hope you have a wonderfull time-not just now and on your birthday but evryday of your life. You deserve that. Your courage is astounding to me. with much love and good wishes colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 21:59:43 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Marian's Set Hi Marian- I wish I could have been there with you. What an incredible set! Time to rebook the next gigs and get in the habit, build a following, create a buzz, get an opening act, hire a manager, plan a road show, hire a road manager, get a tour bus (cool), go veggie, do a collaboration with Sting or Prince, do a tribute show in full Joni drag, sample here songs and play them backwards at very low volume-but with the bass enhanced a bit before you hit the stage, do a jazz band thing,...Ok so maybe not all that, but do book some more gigs and play out MORE. I am so jealous, I really want to do it TOO. I always seem to find some reason I can't. Singing along in my dreams, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:07:11 EST From: LRFye@aol.com Subject: (NJC) No More Hitchhiker Worries In Texas Texas prison escapee Martin Gurule has been found, drowned in the Trinity River near Huntsville ... I guess that means he's really free ... No more hitchhiker worries in Texas ... for now ... Lori San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 20:16:01 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni guitar notes-my take I miss Joni's wonderful piano playing too, and you make a good point about including acoustic instruments in concert; it would be pretty easy to do and would make for a richer musical experience. I think the last piano song on a Joni album is "Two Grey Rooms", my favorite on the otherwise ho-hum (in my bloated opinion) 'Night Ride Home' album. Then there was "Chinese Cafe" way back on WTRF. More piano, Joni! MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > producers ALWAYS will provide a grand piano, the dulcimer wont hurt her back > sitting on her lap, and roadies dont cost an arm and a leg etc etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 22:15:32 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: VG-8's Get your VG-8's and Parkers too Terry wrote: " That's what I'm thinking, but I'm waiting for some of the VG8 owners to pitch in with their opinions." Hi Terry- Yes us VG-8 owners have them. It is my belief that the JoanMiester does not have any other pickups on her Parker other than the GK-2 pick-up that triggers the VG. Parker DOES offer a guitar with acoustic type pick-ups and electronics that enhance that acoustic sound. I have been talking to Brad Strickland (the Korg/Parker/Vox/Marshall A/R guy) about an endorsement deal with Parker. I hope the new models are available at January NAMM. He told me that they made those guitars especially for her and they were not available yet with the GK pick up in them. Are you coming to LA with the Kakki Van Gogh Namm Posse? I can try to get more tickets to the convention if you would like to join us? The VG-8 has been reduced in price now to $1,695 retail, which is almost a 50% reduction in price. Street price should be about $1,300 with the pick up. Best to all, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:14:55 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: joni guitar notes In a message dated 12/3/98 1:20:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << It's just one guitar, but it sure sounds full. It's also a great opportunity to focus on Joni's fine fingerpicking technique. >> Randy, Great guitar post, thanks! I agree with the above- isn't it great to really be able to study Joni's guitar playing on that track? There's one part that I'm trying to figure out if she's playing it exactly like TTT or if she made some changes. In the vocals, it would be when she sings, "I'm a runaway from the...etc." Is the guitar the same here as in Tiger Bones? Terry ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #497 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?