From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #482 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, November 19 1998 Volume 03 : Number 482 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- brown eyed girl (njc) [Evian ] Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) [Rob Jordan ] Old ideals [Wally Breese ] Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Old ideals ["Kakki" ] Re: Old ideals ["Deb Messling" ] Re: JM T-Shirt Sayings ... ["Deb Messling" ] coupon [Jerry Notaro ] philly concert in 76 ["Berger, Everett (NJAOST)" ] joni's bday card [Drewdix@aol.com] Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: city of angels debate-NJC! ["John M. Lind" ] T-shirts ["Kim Korman Brown" ] Re: Joni tune at Macys [Dreamzvill@aol.com] T-Shirt Clips/Joni Addicted ["Don Rowe" ] Re: Old ideals (my vote anyway) [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: Old ideals (big sur and james dean?!) [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: JM T-Shirt Sayings ... [RickieLee1@aol.com] Re: Janet Planet NJC ["John Villasana" ] Re: Janet Planet NJC -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: T-Shirt Sayings ["Don Rowe" ] Re: T-Shirt Sayings -Reply [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Re: Janet Planet NJC ["Kakki" ] Joni on muscianmag.com ["John M. Lind" ] Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) ["philip" ] Re: T-Shirt Clips/Joni Addicted [MHart16164@aol.com] Re: Another Joni book? [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: T-Shirt Clips/Joni Addicted ["Don Rowe" ] music search - NJC [Mary Grace Valentinsson ] Smokin' songs [bg26140@binghamton.edu] Re: pay per view performance (PPVP!) [ginny ] Re: T-Shirt Sayings ["philip" ] Re: Janet Planet NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Smokin' songs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: .RE: Old ideals (my vote anyway) [Gellerray@aol.com] Joni in Tortola [ginny ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:11:38 -0600 From: Evian Subject: brown eyed girl (njc) > It was a brown-SKINNED girl, but he changed the lyric under pressure from his > record company. Therefore, there is no brown-eyed girl, per se. > Is this true? Who are these sources? I am curious now... Evian np: Alanis -- Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:15:34 +0000 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) At 22:05 17/11/98 -0800, Kakki wrote: >Here is an amusing excerpt -- >Janet says they moved to Woodstock, N.Y. (in 1969) largely to be in the >vicinity of Bob Dylan, who was living there at the time. "Van fully intended >to become Dylan's best friend, but the whole time we were there they never >met," She winced at the memory. "Every time we'd drive past Dylan's house - >Van didn't drive, I did - Van would just stare wistfully out the window at >the gravel road leading to Dylan's place. He thought Dylan was the only >contemporary worthy of his attention. But back then Bob just wasn't >interested in him." That's a funny story! Van certainly did meet and hang out with The Band during this period. He co-wrote a song with Robbie Robertson, I think it was "4% Pantomime" which showed up on one of the The Band's albums. This was when Robbie started referring to Van as "The Belfast Cowboy". Maybe Van was trying to get closer to Bob through his friends. Van does a great line in Dylan covers, back to "Them" days (It's all over now, baby blue). I saw him twice last weekend and on Friday night he played a stunning "Just Like a Woman", the highlight of a great Van show, full of quips like "Queen Mary (that's a ship), she's my friend (Huh! some friend)". I don't know the truth about the Brown-eyed/Brown-skinned girl. But since Chuck Berry pulled the same trick in Brown-eyed Handsome Man, perhaps it was a somewhat knowing nod-and-wink, rather than a meek submission to the record company. Van isn't known for meek submission!!! He got his revenge on the producer of Brown-eyed girl, Bert Berns, later recording an hours-worth of 2 minute nonsense ditties generally mocking and abusing Berns, in order to fulfill his remaining contract. Lest this turn into the Van list, I'lll stop now!! Rob Dylan / If you see her, say "hello" Van / If you see her, say "Yo! Hey-bop-a-ree-bop" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 01:46:02 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: Old ideals Hi, Someone mentioned that Joni may be referring to seeing her performance at the Isle of Wight Fest with the lines "I saw the ghosts of my old ideals rerun on channel 5..." Well, since there was no film of the Isle of Wight Fest -1970 until the 1990's, that's definitely not possible. Also, Joni wasn't referring to the film of her performance at the Monterey Pop Fest, because she is not in that film. I offer that Joni may have been referring to her 1969 performance in "Celebration at Big Sur," which was released as a feature film in 1971. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:52:40 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) << He thought Dylan was the only contemporary worthy of his attention. But back then Bob just wasn't interested in him." >> Zimmerman hardly gave Joni or Van the time of day on the West Coast mini-tour, it seems. Remember Joni telling the anecdote about Van asking her if she'd talked to Bobby, her saying, like, "he doesn't hang out much" and them sneaking on stage to sing with him on "I Shall Be Released" on the first stop on the tour? But then they never sang together again. From what I've heard, Dylan is on what his devotees call the "Neverending Tour." Word is he virtually lives on his tour bus and talks to no one. Straight from bus to stage, then after his set he exits stage right directly to the coach and onto the next town. Guess he's a wallflower. Btw, history recalls that Van has shown reverence for other contemporaries apart from Dylan. He clearly idolizes John Lee Hooker and has voiced admiration for Frankie. - -Julius np: Van Morrison: "Send In the Clowns" (with Chet Baker) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:02:55 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Old ideals Wally wrote: >I offer that Joni may have been referring to her 1969 performance in "Celebration at Big Sur," >which was released as a feature film in 1971. I love the Joni clips in this. They convey such a slice of the idealism of that time. She talks about it being a time of political and spiritual revolution where people are starting to get together. Then she leads Crosby, Stills, Nash and (looks like) John Sebastian in an extended version of the song "Get Together" "Love is but a song we sing, fear's the way we die, you can make the mountains ring or make the angels cry, though the bird is on the wing and you may not know why, come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try and love one another right now..." She also performs "Woodstock" at the piano and asks the crowd to join in the song. Kakki NP: Joni - Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:09:56 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: Old ideals I'd bet the farm on this one. I saw this film on one of New York's re-run channels several times, and I wouldn't doubt that it was literally Channel Five. And she did howl so spooky. It was beautiful. > I offer that Joni may > have been referring to her 1969 performance in "Celebration at Big Sur," > which was released as a feature film in 1971. I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. -- Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:13:59 +0000 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Re: JM T-Shirt Sayings ... How about, "Freddie said that Juan said I said he's the devil." Or how about, really, "Who let the greedy in? And who left the needy out?" I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. -- Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:31:51 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: coupon So I hope you'll accept our thanks -- and this gift -- today. In order to become a member and redeem your $5 coupon, just point your browser to the URL below. http://www.ivillage.com/musicjoin.html I look forward to seeing you in iVillage.com. Happy shopping! And now, for the music winners... Jerry np: Jeff Buckley - Sketches ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:41:59 -0500 From: "Berger, Everett (NJAOST)" Subject: philly concert in 76 Did anyone attend the joni concert at the Spectrum in philly in 1976.....the hissing tour? She sang an acapella song.....she intro'd it by saying that the song was one she used to sing in the coffee houses in philly in the early days.. It was beautiful....still wondering what the name of it was and where it came from... Thanks.. everett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:13:44 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: joni's bday card I know it,s been posted before, but for those that haven't checked out Wally & Jim (et al)'s birthday card sent to Joni, it's really a very classy well done tasteful thing. Thanks to all involved. jonimitchell.com - --Maplewood, NJ (Drew) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:26:10 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) In a message dated 11/18/98 4:22:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, rob.jordan@which.net writes: << That's a funny story! Van certainly did meet and hang out with The Band during this period. He co-wrote a song with Robbie Robertson, I think it was "4% Pantomime" which showed up on one of the The Band's albums >> Yes, it was "Cahoots." And a great song it is. Paul I "The dealer's been dealing me bad hands, from the bottom of the deck" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:53:24 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Re: city of angels debate-NJC! MHart16164@aol.com wrote: >Has anyone seen city of angels/ >We are having a debate at work, some people got that he committed >suicide at the end. I didn't get that at all. Am I just a naive, >hopelessly optimistic person???? Your not naive at all. Your debater just sounds jaundiced or adddicted to overly-tragic romance. Seth(Nic Cage's charicter) is affirming his life not trying to take it. Just like he did with Dennios Franz's charicter in the middle of the movie. John~ NP "The Mysterious 'J'" Laurie Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:24:08 +500 From: "Kim Korman Brown" Subject: T-shirts How about more t-shirt fodder: "it's hard to tell when you're in the spell if it's wrong or if it's real?" or even "you're bound to lose if you let the blues get you scared to feel" "you're the warmest chord I ever heard" "I leap from the boulders like a mama lion" "you gotta shake your fists at lightning" "hot dog, darlin!" "you're so square, baby I don't care" "songs are like tatoos" (sp?) There's probably dozens of these... - ---thanks gang. Kim ......................................................... "You and I have brains, the others have fluff." (Winnie the Pooh) http://futurerealm.com - The HeartThread Resource Page http://worldcommunity.com - The World Community Network http://wtne-sales.com - Washington Times National Weekly National Sales Office http://musicviews.com Music Reviews by Kim Korman Brown ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:25:55 EST From: Dreamzvill@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni tune at Macys Kenny- There are Muzak versions of nearly everything you can think of. Heard a version of Zep's "Whole Lotta Love" recently. Killer. Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:38:04 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: T-Shirt Clips/Joni Addicted How could I forget this one ... "Love ... the strongest poison and medicine of all." Or this one ... "I can keep my cool at poker. But I'm a fool when love's at stake" Or maybe ... "We're only welcome for our drink and smoke ..." So let's compile all these and make the shirts. Then, you'll know you're a Joni addict when the only thing you wear are T-shirts with her lyrics on them ... ;-) Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:00:23 EST From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Old ideals (my vote anyway) It has always been my belief that joni was talking about james dean in rebel w/o a cause--i don't know if someone has posted this already (as i see there are some responses to your post wally). I am just "sure" (yeah, right ray) that's what she means--to wit the rebel picture on the inside of shadows and light and her references to his importance or that movie's importance in her early life and development. all i have time for, and you know, maybe i'm wrong, but it always seemed that's what she meant to me. o yeah--the clip to0 from shadows--as the show opens! ray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:09:08 EST From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Old ideals (big sur and james dean?!) wally said: I offer that Joni may have been referring to her 1969 performance in "Celebration at Big Sur," which was released as a feature film in 1971. deb said: I'd bet the farm on this one. and: And she did howl so spooky. It was beautiful. ok--i just read kakki's and deb's posts on this--so maybe i'm wrong. but since like joni says the art's what you bring to it--i vote for rebel w/o a cause! better yet--both! r ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:41:56 EST From: RickieLee1@aol.com Subject: Re: JM T-Shirt Sayings ... In a message dated 98-11-18 00:09:42 EST, IVPAUL42 writes: << "Send me somebody who's strong and somewhat sincere." Paul I >> not bad paul...but you should be careful what you wish for... - - ric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:46:03 -0600 From: "John Villasana" Subject: Re: Janet Planet NJC Kakkie quoted: Janet says they moved to Woodstock, N.Y. (in 1969) largely to be in the vicinity of Bob Dylan, who was living there at the time. "Van fully intended to become Dylan's best friend, but the whole time we were there they never met," She winced at the memory. "Every time we'd drive past Dylan's house - Van didn't drive, I did - Van would just stare wistfully out the window at the gravel road leading to Dylan's place. He thought Dylan was the only contemporary worthy of his attention. But back then Bob just wasn't interested in him." I think that it's sad that after all these years, Ms Planet feels that it's okay to humiliate Mr Morrison by revealing privilaged and intimate knowledge. Rik Emmit Quote: "Does she think that she moves ahead when she cuts me down to size." John V ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:02:53 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: Janet Planet NJC -Reply >>> "John Villasana" 11/18/98 09:46am >>> I think that it's sad that after all these years, Ms Planet feels that it's okay to humiliate Mr Morrison by revealing privileged and intimate knowledge. ==== That's a good point. God knows that I would not want my hang-dog peccadillos spread out for the public to see. (as if they'd be interested, but youse guys get the point). Of course, one of the many curses of being a public figure is this potential exposure. And to push it some more, an artist puts so much of their own vulnerable self out for consumption. I guess this falls under the heading: "treat others as you would want to be treated," an ideal that can often fall by the wayside. Pontificating and musing, MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: T-Shirt Sayings My $0.02 worth: Who ya gonna get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are freed? The janitors of shadowland flip their brooms at me. He'd piss in your fireplace and drag you through turbulent indigo. Why have you soured and curdled me? Even after 20 some odd years as a fervent lestener, her way with words never ceases to amaze me. Medric Faulkner _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:43:12 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: T-Shirt Sayings Okay, so how's about -- "Honey, tell 'em you got germs ..." Don Rowe ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:49:16 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: Re: T-Shirt Sayings -Reply That'll go over like a lead balloon at the social mingles! (:-D >>> "Don Rowe" 11/18/98 11:43am >>> Okay, so how's about -- "Honey, tell 'em you got germs ..." Don Rowe ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:08:24 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: T-Shirt Sayings -Reply >That'll go over like a lead balloon at the social mingles! > >(:-D > >>>> "Don Rowe" 11/18/98 11:43am >>> >Okay, so how's about -- > >"Honey, tell 'em you got germs ..." > >Don Rowe ;-) > Of course! So we'll just put it on the *back* of the shirt ... "That went down like a lead balloon -- lead-lead-lead lead balloon!" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:42:29 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Janet Planet NJC John wrote: >I think that it's sad that after all these years, Ms Planet feels that it's okay to humiliate Mr >Morrison by revealing privilaged and intimate knowledge. >>Rik Emmit Quote: >"Does she think that she moves ahead when she cuts me down to size." Maybe I should have typed out the entire article to put things in a better context. I did not think she was trying to humiliate him at all or necessarily revealing intimate knowledge. Since Van and Bob did eventually become friends, maybe they laughed over this story themselves at a later time. A large part of the "theme" of the interview is about their youthful hopes, ideals and silliness on both sides in the early days of their marriage and his career. Janet is just as unflattering to herself as she talks about some of her wild, far-out hippie notions at the time. She is frank about her problems with Van, but it is nothing we have not heard before - his moodiness, his drinking, etc., but it is obvious that she loved him extremely and that their relationship has left a lifelong impact on her. It is also her story about the legend of their fairy tale romance, her desperate efforts to live up to, and perpetuate it, often under horrible and draconian pressures from his business machine, and her ultimate inability to continue living up to the fantasy image of their relationship while raising two small children and dealing with his rages. While this may seem a betrayal of confidence on her part, it actually gave me a little more insight and sympathetic understanding into Van and some of the crap that both he and Janet had to go through in the early days. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:15:11 -0500 From: "John M. Lind" Subject: Joni on muscianmag.com In the online Musician Mag interview with Joni she states about perfect pitch: "I don't know if I have that, but I have finer pitch than most people around me. Mingus and I heard things on records that no one else did. He was kindred in that way. He pointed out things on my records that were out of tune that I had argued with people about. The first thing Mingus said to me when I met him was, "The strings on 'Paprika Plains' are out of tune!" He meant to be confronting me, but I said, "Yeah! Thank you!" Because the conductor didn't hear it, the engineer didn't hear it; everybody thought I was just being picayune." - ------------------------------------------------- I always thought the string arangement was meant to be disonant to push the mood hard and stormy and as a sort of nod to the early twentieth century avant-gardests like Stravinsky and Varesse'. I wonder how many other prominent musicians have this complaint about their work. I've got an interview with Mike Oldfield where he complains about the bass on "Tubular Bells" being out of tune for instance. - ------------------------------------------------- And then about DED: "...with "Dog Eat Dog," Elliott Summer, behind my back, made them all producers and gave them all authority. That was a nightmare for me! I was in tears through half of that record. I wanted big Brazilian drums, which were not in vogue at that time; this was pre-world beat. So the drum sounds are a compromise. Other than that, it's all my music, except that it's Dolby's sound, which he'd get off the keyboard and give me the keyboard to play them was also a lot of effort... >>snip<< ...And because of the presence of Thomas Dolby, it was assumed that I had been musically taken over and that it was an attempt at being commercial, whereas in fact people don't know that I was a dancer. I don't really like the dumbness of straight disco, but all of the drum patterns on there were my programming. I chose where the little beats went and the big beats went. Now, the sonics on it don't hold up for me. I don't like some of the sounds. The people who were providing them were prejudiced because it wasn't the hip thing yet. They were trying to push me in a way I couldn't go, because I heard this big drum sound..." {Interviewer}-"Like in "The Jungle Line." "Yeah, in Brazil. I'd been there during Carnival, where everybody was beating on anything they could beat on. There were big formations of them coming down the street, and they were passing by each other, so you had even more complex rhythms. So in the musical way of it, because I loved that so much, it was my time to put it out, whether it was hip or not. But world beat was yet to come." - ------------------------------------------------- OK, this I've got to hear! Maybe we can have a bake sale to raise the jack so Joni can go back in the studio and re-mix DED with all real drums ie: "Rhythm Of The Saints" John~ {I'm kidding, but wouldn't it be great?} NP "Love, Reign O'er Me" The Who ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:02:14 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) Kakki quoted Janet Planet : >"Every time we'd drive past Dylan's house - Great story. Wasn't Janet pictured with him on the cover of Tupelo Honey ? Ooops that reminds me about a Morrison interview I read in a car audio magazine a few years ago. The car stereo man asked Morrison about the background to some of his songs, which seemed to me like a reasonable enough approach. Morrison however went into a rant about the music biz to the effect that his music was just a job and that the songs have nothing at all to do with reality or with any other part of his life. He added that the record sleeves are about creating illusions like the illusion that he lived on the ranch pictured on Tupelo Honey or that he owned a big dog like on Veedon Fleece sleeve. I don't remember the rest or indeed if there was a rest. Philip NP Mercury Rev - deserter Songs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:20:44 EST From: MHart16164@aol.com Subject: Re: T-Shirt Clips/Joni Addicted In a message dated 98-11-18 10:41:50 EST, you write: << So let's compile all these and make the shirts. Then, you'll know you're a Joni addict when the only thing you wear are T-shirts with her lyrics on them ... ;-) Don Rowe >> Where can I buy one???? I want one already. M. And what about one that says... On front: Heart and humor and humility On back: they will lighten your heavy load (god help you if you got "back") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:26:46 EST From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Joni book? that would be the music book for the hits album, that's all. i had the same false alarm about two years ago with turbulent indigo--same "author" then too. r ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:34:33 PST From: "Don Rowe" Subject: Re: T-Shirt Clips/Joni Addicted >Where can I buy one???? I want one already. >M. >And what about one that says... >On front: Heart and humor and humility >On back: they will lighten your heavy load >(god help you if you got "back") Oh this whole thread has been a great amount of fun -- but taming the BMI/ASCAP tiger might not be. Not that I'm an expert, but I do know enough that the copyright/royalty entanglements would be ... shall we say ... messy. Somebody, I don't remember who, suggested that Reprise might be willing to let us sell them through jonimitchell.com -- but where that will go, who knows? I'm with you though, I'd wind up with a closet-full! Don Rowe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:55:07 -0800 From: Mary Grace Valentinsson Subject: music search - NJC With the clock ticking down to my big 4-0, I'm looking to arrange a special outing with my best friend who will be kicking around the same baggage. Since a trip to Paris is out of the question this year, I'm going to keep it to a weekend out in NYC. What would make things really neat would be to track down a group or the leader singer of a group that my friend and I used to see all the time in NY back in the mid to late 70's. I'm hoping that someone out there in JMDL land knows about them. They played the NY-NJ Metro area and were called "Grover, Margaret and Zaz Zu Zaz." Anyone out there remember them? Ever see them? Kinda swing, kinda jazz - we used to see them at Back Fence, (I think), and other places around NYC. Would appreciate any leads from NY area, (or used to be), JMDL'ers. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: bg26140@binghamton.edu Subject: Smokin' songs I was researching for a paper I'm doing involving the 1970s, and one of the books I found was sort of a nostalgia collection, nothing of real help to me. It was called "The 1970s: From Hot Pants to Hot Tubs." In the music chapter there was a section on songs and drugs... in other words, songs to listen to when doing different drugs. Here are a few samples, including the Joni ones that were mentioned: Drug Song/Album $20 oz./pot Greatful Dead, "Truckin'" Valium Carpenters, "Rainy Days and Mondays" Homegrown Joni Mitchell, Court & Spark Colombian Joni Mitchell, Hissing of Summer Lawns It listed them by year, and it incorrectly mentioned C&S as a 1972 example. But I still thought this was pretty humorous! I would have mentioned Hejira as an album to listen to while doing cocaine. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:59:23 -0700 From: ginny Subject: Re: pay per view performance (PPVP!) Yes!!! I just returned from a show in Tortola, sorry for the delay. Will be sending all out tomorrow. The video tapes turned out wonderfully. Ginny PS -- for anyone else who hasn't recorded the event, now is a good time to request a copy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:09:57 -0000 From: "philip" Subject: Re: T-Shirt Sayings Appropriate attire when approaching the door staff at certain night-clubs : "You tireless watcher, what have I done to you ?" Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:41:23 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Janet Planet NJC In a message dated 98-11-18 16:00:14 EST, kakkib@att.net writes: << Maybe I should have typed out the entire article to put things in a better context. I did not think she was trying to humiliate him at all or necessarily revealing intimate knowledge. >> One can read the article online at: http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/LIFE/t000104382.html - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:08:38 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Smokin' songs In a message dated 11/18/98 6:40:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, bg26140@binghamton.edu writes: << $20 oz./pot Grateful Dead, "Truckin'" >> Otherwise known as a "lid" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:42:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Brown Eyed Girl article (NJC) Philip wrote: >Wasn't Janet pictured with him on the cover of Tupelo Honey ? Yes. > He added that the record sleeves are about creating illusions like the illusion >that he lived on the ranch pictured on Tupelo Honey or that he >owned a big dog like on Veedon Fleece sleeve I also read an interview somewhere where Van ranted that there was no ranch, no horses and so on. Didn't know about the big dog, though, and in my more naive days thought that was really his castle, too! Just to clarify why I thought the story about his wanting so badly to meet Dylan was amusing - In my very subjective opinion Van is worlds ahead of Dylan on numerous levels, and I was amused that it seemed that Van had not yet realized back then that he was more than Dylan's equal. I found the story rather endearing. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:38:59 EST From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Re: .RE: Old ideals (my vote anyway) o god wally k thanks for saying so. nobody ever answers any of my mails. and also of course it's nice we had the same idea. rr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:28:37 -0700 From: ginny Subject: Joni in Tortola Just a quick note to tell you that I played half of Taming the Tiger during walk-in for the Umi Fashion show in Tortola last Friday night. I used Trouble Man for the formal wear. Gave away several copies of both to those who inquired about her. New fans in the British Virgin Islands! Ginny ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #482 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?