From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest)
To: joni-digest@smoe.org
Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #480
Reply-To: joni@smoe.org
Sender: les@jmdl.com
Errors-To: les@jmdl.com
Precedence: bulk
JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 17 1998 Volume 03 : Number 480
The Joni Tour Pages:
http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html
http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm
-------
JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank
message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info.
-------
The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available
now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details.
-------
The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at
http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio,
original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more.
-------
The JMDL website can be found at and contains
interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more.
==========
TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
--------
MUSICIANS IN TUNE [FL ]
Re: GTR List, NJC ["John Villasana" ]
Marian Unplugged [M.Russell@iaea.org]
US magazine - Joni [MP123A321@aol.com]
Re: MUSICIANS IN TUNE ["Juerg Loeffler" ]
Re: Marian Unplugged [Maggie McNally ]
TTT review, Baltimore Sun ["Deb Messling" ]
Re: Marian Unplugged [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Re: Joni the Deconstructionist ["John M. Lind" ]
Re: JMDL Digest V3 #477 [hdavis@american.edu]
Send me your recipes! [M.Russell@iaea.org]
Changing my top joni songs [Barrylauri@aol.com]
how much would you pay someone to flip burgers? [joe horne ]
Joni in December GUITAR magazine ["Leong, Dennis" ]
Re: Marian Unplugged ["Marsha" ]
RE: Marian Unplugged [M.Russell@iaea.org]
Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... [Dreamzvill@aol.com]
Joni Dream [Brett Code ]
DJRD the song & other topics ["Kay Ashley" ]
DJRD and Carlos Casteneda things [Mary Grace Valentinsson ]
RE: Marian Unplugged ["wallykai" ]
Re: the infamous bracelet/3 waitresses [MHart16164@aol.com]
Re: Joni Dream [TerryM2442@aol.com]
Fwd: Changing my top joni songs [MHart16164@aol.com]
Joni on learning channel? [bg26140@binghamton.edu]
Re: Marian Unplugged [Marian Rulewski ]
Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... [Mark Domyancich ]
NJC -- Clinton's decision not bomb Iraq ["Winfried Hühn" ]
Re: JONI'S BIRTHDAY CARD [t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne)]
Re: Joni on learning channel? [Sue ]
PPV Special in Oz. [Mark-Leon Thorne ]
Re: Marian Unplugged [LRFye@aol.com]
RE: Marian Unplugged NJC ["wallykai" ]
Re: Marian Unplugged ["Kakki" ]
Re: Missing Hissing SJC [LRFye@aol.com]
NJC SHOOTING STARS [catman ]
NJC SHOOTING STARS [catman ]
RE: Marian Unplugged [Bounced Message ]
Joni To My Ears [Bounced Message ]
village voice/nyc [some millers ]
Facelift T-Shirt [kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)]
lefty/righty results (njc?) [some millers ]
Re: guitar lessons (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:09:49 +0100
From: FL
Subject: MUSICIANS IN TUNE
I'm trying to find the book:
MUSICIANS IN TUNE
by Jenny Boyd (Fireside book) 1992
ISBN: 0-671-73440-7
If anybody can help, please email me.
Thanks VERY much,
Francesco
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:20:52 -0600
From: "John Villasana"
Subject: Re: GTR List, NJC
12.50 an hour for gtr lessons steep!?
Michael wrote:
<>
Imagine you have given your whole life to the discipline and proffession of music. Many musicians
are extremely skilled, and work many long hard hours without pay to get where they are (which
usually isn't very far). 12.50 an hour is cheap, if your ask me.
Though it is nice to share musical knowledge, remember that some of those musicians have to eat,
and some even have children to support. I say give them whatever you can afford.
Then go over to Michaels and show off your new licks.
John
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:56:00 +0100
From: M.Russell@iaea.org
Subject: Marian Unplugged
Just in case there are some other Austrian JMDL members I don't know
about, I wanted to let you all know that I'll be doing an evening of
Joni Mitchell songs at
Unplugged
Liechtensteinstr. 61
1090 Vienna
on: Monday, 30th November
from: 8-10 p.m. (approx.)
Entrance is free.
The place is kind of a dive, but the owner seems really nice. It is a
bar with a limited assortment of food, so you should probably eat dinner
beforehand.
I've been preparing for this for the last month and a half. It has been
really fun working out which songs to sing and learning some new tunes.
I'm planning to play at least one song from every album, plus a few
additional favorites of mine from For the Roses, Hejira and Night Ride
Home.
It's exciting to have a performance to prepare for, but also a little
scary! Wish me luck!
Marian
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:25:15 EST
From: MP123A321@aol.com
Subject: US magazine - Joni
There is two page article about Joni in the latest US magazine. The issue has
Drew Barrymore on the cover. It has a few pictures of Joni including one of
her dancing from Rolling Thunder Tour.
Maurice
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:34:43 +0100
From: "Juerg Loeffler"
Subject: Re: MUSICIANS IN TUNE
>I'm trying to find the book:
>MUSICIANS IN TUNE
>by Jenny Boyd (Fireside book) 1992
>ISBN: 0-671-73440-7
Amazon indicates the book as being out of print. Is Joni one of the
"seventy-five contemporary musicians discussing the creative
process", as stated in the subtitle? Sounds like an interesting subject.
- - Juerg -
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:42:51 -0500
From: Maggie McNally
Subject: Re: Marian Unplugged
Marian and all,
Checking back in for the first time in weeks, due one part to computer
boo-hoos and the other part to major work demands. Ashara has done
Joni-love duty keeping me up on threads and significant stories of listers
new and old. Hello to all, and congratulations and good luck to Marian!
Wish I could be there! I'll have to pop my NEJoniFest tape into the VCR
and pretend that I am. Virtual ViennaJoniFest, anyone?
Best,
Maggie
At 10:56 AM 11/16/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Just in case there are some other Austrian JMDL members I don't know
>about, I wanted to let you all know that I'll be doing an evening of
>Joni Mitchell songs at
>
> Unplugged
> Liechtensteinstr. 61
> 1090 Vienna
>
>on: Monday, 30th November
>
>from: 8-10 p.m. (approx.)
>
>Entrance is free.
>
>The place is kind of a dive, but the owner seems really nice. It is a
>bar with a limited assortment of food, so you should probably eat dinner
>beforehand.
>
>I've been preparing for this for the last month and a half. It has been
>really fun working out which songs to sing and learning some new tunes.
>I'm planning to play at least one song from every album, plus a few
>additional favorites of mine from For the Roses, Hejira and Night Ride
>Home.
>
>It's exciting to have a performance to prepare for, but also a little
>scary! Wish me luck!
>
>Marian
>>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:15:46 +0000
From: "Deb Messling"
Subject: TTT review, Baltimore Sun
I hope this hasn't been posted. It's not on the JMDL Reviews page
yet. The date refers to a reprint in my local paper; don't know
when it appeared in the Sun.
TRANSCENDING HITS WITH DISTINCTION
BYLINE: J.D. CONSIDINE, THE BALTIMORE SUN
PUBLISHED: October 23, 1998, Friday; Page 012 (ill.) (14in.)
Joni Mitchell, "Taming the Tiger" (Reprise) ****
Joni Mitchell knows precisely where she stands
with the record industry. Sure, she's a living legend, a primary
influence for dozens of hit-makers, and the sort of
artist whose work will automatically be of interest to thousands of
listeners. But, frankly, none of that matters quite so much
as having a hit on the charts, and Mitchell knows where that leaves
her. So instead of playing the game, shelaughs at it. In the
title tune from her new album, "Taming the Tiger," she dismisses the
MTV world of rap and alternarock as "the hoods in the 'hood/And the
whiny white kids," sneering at an industry that sees every album as
a poker chip in the high-stakes game of radio play. "The whole
thing's gotten/Boring!" she pronounces. In any other singer's
hands, a song like "Taming the Tiger" would likely come across as
sour grapes, the why-don't-you-buy-my-CD? griping of a star past her
prime. But there's something so transcendent about Mitchell's
singing, so focused and relaxed about her music, there's no way her
scorn could be mistaken for envy. If anything, what comes across in
the song is confidence and bemusement -- not to mention the
understanding that she has better things to do than chase after
hits. Funny thing is, the songs on "Taming the Tiger" are her most
accessible in years. Between its tart, chatty melodies and smoky,
atmospheric instrumental tracks, the album recalls the jazzy
introspection of the 1976 album "Hejira." Except that where
"Hejira" emphasized the improvisatory energy of Mitchell's studio
band (particularly bassist Jaco Pastorius), "Taming the Tiger" is
cooler and more contemplative, relying largely on Mitchell's
overdubbed guitars and keyboards and using other players
(particularly saxophonist Wayne Shorter) mostly for color. The music
oozes more than it surges, letting her verbal cadences set the pace,
and keeping the rhythm section understated to the point of
inaudibility. That's not to say Mitchell's music doesn't
occasionally kick -- "Lead Balloon" may not sound like Led Zeppelin,
but it has more than enough drive to convey the lyric's angry edge--
but she's far more likely to opt for a flowing,
brushes-and-acoustic bass pulse, as on the slyly swinging "The
Crazy Cries of Love." Some listeners may assume that Mitchell's
preference for more peaceable grooves is a function of age, but
closer listening suggests that what she's ultimately trying to
convey is the gentle, undulating rhythm of adult sensuality.
She hints at that fondness for pleasures of the flesh in "Harlem
in Havana," a jarring, jazzy recollection of a youthful trip to a
hoochie-coochie show, but it's not until "Love Puts on a New Face"
and "Stay In Touch" that Mitchell makes herself clear. Both are
songs about newfound love, and in them, Mitchell not only conveys the
passion and pace of grown-up romance, but suggests -- musically and
lyrically -- that love does indeed get better with age.
Moreover, because she's focused on personal concerns instead of
social issues, Mitchell engages the listener at an emotional level,
drawing us in and letting us feel as if we have something deep in
common. That may not be the stuff of which hits are made, but it's
far more satisfying in the long run -- and definitely isn't boring.
I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat.
-- Joni Mitchell
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:39:48 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Marian Unplugged
In a message dated 11/16/98 6:19:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
M.Russell@iaea.org writes:
<< I'll be doing an evening of
Joni Mitchell songs at
Unplugged >>
Marian!! That's GREAT! God, I wish I could be there in the audience, cheering
for you. What songs have you chosen? Do they have all the sound equipment, or
do you have to bring your own stuff?
I'm so excited for you!
Terry
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:25:16 -0500
From: "John M. Lind"
Subject: Re: Joni the Deconstructionist
>>Fair enough, but the guy was so in love with his own analysis that he was
>>blind to Joni's art, as far as I'm concerned.
>Unfortunately this is all too true of many critics.
"With the birth of the artist came the inevitable *afterbirth*- thew art
critic!"
- -Mel Brooks(History Of The World, Pt1)
John~
NP "African Portraits" Hannibal/Chicago Symphony Orchestra
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:30:19 -0500
From: hdavis@american.edu
Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V3 #477
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:53:42 +0100
From: M.Russell@iaea.org
Subject: Send me your recipes!
I have still only received about 14 recipes so far! I feel surprised by
this because there was so much enthusiasm for this project a month ago!
Please send me your recipes!
Deadline is midnight (West Coast USA time) 18th Nov.
Marian
Vienna
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:01:02 EST
From: Barrylauri@aol.com
Subject: Changing my top joni songs
When I first listened to TTT I didn't know if I liked it or not. Now having
listened to it about 20 times I really love it!!! I had the same reaction to
Turbulent Indigo and eventually came to enjoy that recording as well.
I think I'll have to change my top joni songs now and include " The Magdalene
Laundries", "Taming the Tiger" and absolutely......."Harlem in Havana".
Laurie, NP TTT
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:20:44 -0800 (PST)
From: joe horne
Subject: how much would you pay someone to flip burgers?
I think it's terrible that someone is only getting paid $5 - $10 an
hour for guitar lessons. That is exploitation (unless you are teaching
in an under-priv area and then it should be free). Or unless the
credentials of the instructor are so low (and in that case why would
you study with them).
I think a reasonable fee (for music lessons of any kind) is $75 a
month. This means you get an individual 30 minute lesson once a week.
That's what I charge and people have never complained.
Just my opinion.
joejoejoejoejoejoejoejoejoejoe
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:26:35 -0500
From: sherrie.good@chronicle.com
Subject: Re: how much would you pay someone to flip burgers?
A message to all:
Please remember to put the letters NJC in the subject head when your post
has
No Joni Content. Many folks on the list, myself included, only have time to
read messages containing Joni content.
thanks
Sherrie
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:18:37 +0100
From: FL
Subject: Sheryl Crow - Storyteller
I'm desperately looking for an excellent stereo copy
from master (or a master - if anyone is able to record it again
when they show it again) of
VH1 Storytellers with Sheryl Crow
please, email me privately
thanks,
francesco
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:52:29 -0600
From: "Leong, Dennis"
Subject: Joni in December GUITAR magazine
The magazine article only printed about a fourth of the interview. To
read the rest, go to www.musicianmag.com.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:10:39 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: Marian Unplugged
I second that congrats to Marian for her paid gig
in the land of Mozart. Wish we could be there
to sing Joni songs too loudly in the audience, Marian!
Is this your first appearance "for your supper" so to
speak? And I am wondering if the gatherings to
play for us here might have helped you to decide
to play in clubs at home?
Happy and excited for you!
Marsha
>In a message dated 11/16/98 6:19:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>M.Russell@iaea.org writes:
>
><< I'll be doing an evening of
> Joni Mitchell songs at
>
> Unplugged >>
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:15:42 +0100
From: M.Russell@iaea.org
Subject: RE: Marian Unplugged
On Monday, Nov 16, 1998 5:10 PM, Marsha wrote:
><< I second that congrats to Marian for her paid gig
><< in the land of Mozart. Wish we could be there
><< to sing Joni songs too loudly in the audience, Marian!
I wish you could be here, too! It would be really special to have some
true Joni fans in the audience!
><< Is this your first appearance "for your supper" so to
><< speak? And I am wondering if the gatherings to
><< play for us here might have helped you to decide
><< to play in clubs at home?
>
Actually, I'm not getting paid. I could have charged an entrance fee,
but since this is kind of a trial run - my maiden flight, so to speak -
I just invited a bunch of my friends and am playing (hopefully) real
good for free for them.
And, yes, I did feel inspired because of the Jonifests I have attended
but also, hold onto your socks, because of some very nice encouragement
from Al Date! It's something I've been thinking about doing for awhile
now, and he kind of helped me push myself into organizing myself to
explore possibilities in Vienna and arrange a gig. If this show goes
well, I will probably try some other venues.
Marian
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:46:28 EST
From: Dreamzvill@aol.com
Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing...
Mark-
OK, so as soon as I GET a copy of Hejira, I'll let you know if I see those
mystery items! I'm especially interested in the penis on the bracelet. :)
Love, Susan C.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:52:25 -0700
From: Brett Code
Subject: Joni Dream
Last night I had the strangest dream
I was at a Joni concert. . . in 1977. I had been transported back in time by two spirits, whom I never saw but only heard. They gave me a seat in row 2. Joni was moving around in the audience and I shouted out "I love you, Joni!" She told me to "Shut up", as though she knew I wasn't supposed to be there. Then I said: "I just saw you perform 20 years from now, in 1998!" She told me to shut up again. The spirits then realized that my presence was going to cause a historical disturbance and made me sit quietly and listen. She came in and out of the crowd and sat in the seat right in front of me while she performed "Woman of Heart and Mind". The spirits then told me to say something about my relationship with my father and I would appear on the film version of this show. I didn't. Instead, I told her that I loved DJRD, the song. But it had never been played before, no one had ever heard it, and I was told, for the third time to shut up. They took me away - and I was climbing stairs in MSG going to the show in NYC.
I woiuld rather have met her at a hotel bar in Atlanta.
Brett
np: the crazy cries of a tormented dream spirit
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:53:22 -0500
From: "Kay Ashley"
Subject: DJRD the song & other topics
Hello All,
I was totally thrilled to hear Joni play DJRD at the Madison Square Garden
show -- one tune I NEVER thought I'd ever hear live. Has there ever been a
thread on the list regarding this song and its relationship to Carlos
Castaneda's writings? I've only read the first book, years ago, and am
about to embark on a re-reading of it, and my goal is to read the whole
series. Anyone interested in discussing? We could engage in Comparative
Literature rather than Deconstructionism ;-).
I never thought I'd ever hear Joni live -- too young to have caught her '83
tour (I was only 15, I lived in Maine, and I would have had to have been
escorted to Boston -- just as well that I missed that legendary show!) --
so I'm floored to have seen her twice in 3 months: Woodstock and now MSG!
Anyway, I've had all these ambitions of writing real reviews of both shows
and still haven't gotten around to it. But I must say that her current
band has got to be her best. I adore the Pastorius line-up, but as much as
I enjoy the "Shadows & Light" recordings, there's always a sense of these
various greats being pasted onto Joni's music -- having the distinct
personalities be so, well, DISTINCT, is a distraction to a certain degree.
At Woodstock, I was totally blown away by the way this band is so tight,
such a glued-together sonic foundation for Joni. Greg Liesz's (spelling?)
playing on "Sex Kills" was out of this world. I remember being so
mesmerized by this at Woodstock, and being surprised, because it had always
been one of my least favorite Joni tunes; I actually got chills up and down
my spine when the song came to the line, "and the gas leaks/and the oil
spills" and there was this incredible ROAR coming from Greg Liesz. It made
the song for me. It was such a primal, dirty, perfectly overdriven sound
- -- the perfect sonic complement for the outrage in the lyric. Brian
Blade's playing did a similar thing for me during "Slouching" -- it was
just so perfect, all the crescendos and diminuendos so perfectly placed.
Beautiful. Mark Isham was great, of course, but unfortunately memory
doesn't come up with a particular moment of his that struck me.... and
naturally it was great to hear Larry Klein live, and not just for the great
Jaco schtick in "Hejira" -- he is a brilliant, subtle, sensitive player.
What I remember most about him is being amazed to see how much he still
loves Joni -- almost as much as we do! HA!! Anyway, the mutual love
between them was a beautiful thing to see -- how many divorced couples do
you know have remained such great friends that they can actually work
together? I don't know any! Clearly they are both very special people...
And I gotta say, at my 20-feet-away vantage point at Woodstock, I was
surprised to see how totally hot Larry is (he's not as photogenic as Joni);
yep, Joni has VERY good taste... ;-)
Thoughts about MSG some other time.....
Kay
np: WFUV in NYC -- best radio station I've ever heard
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:32:28 -0800
From: Mary Grace Valentinsson
Subject: DJRD and Carlos Casteneda things
Kay asks if there was ever a thread combining those two. I can't
remember, but I always took the Don Juan as the figure of romance, aka
a Casanova figure.
"I'm Don Juan's reckless daughter, I've been out two days on your
trail...."
And I see that hunting and searching in the lyrics as a bit of
tongue-in-cheek potrait of someone who goes after romance and its
entanglements.
"...last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran on Channel 5."
This, I think, can tie in w/ my thoughts above if I look at the ghosts as
being those Late Night movies such as Bette Davis in "Dark Victory" or
"Jezebel:" movies with Daktori-like themes of big game hunting for
romance.
From what I remember from CC's Don Juan books, I don't see anything
like that in the song. I see Joni as a visionary in many ways, but not a
mystic.
My brief thoughts this Monday morning.
MG
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:32:54 EST
From: Dreamzvill@aol.com
Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing...
No, really, Jerry....I'm a NICE girl...!
Susan
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:14:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Dollinger
Subject: Re: petula's birthday (NJC)
Thanks Mark, yes i do believe that was it,
perhaps on the Smothers Brothers.
bill
On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Mark or Travis wrote:
>
> I think the Harry Belafonte uproar was that Petula actually put her arm
> around his waist while they were singing together. On American TV! In
> the early 60's! Horror! Gasp! Seems ridulous now but it didn't to a
> lot of people at the time. Thank the powers that be that such extreme
> narrow-mindedness is at least not perceived as acceptable anymore.
>
> Mark in Seattle
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:28:26 -0300
From: "wallykai"
Subject: RE: Marian Unplugged
Marian! What wonderful news! I so much wish I could be there to be your own
personal claque [not that you need one] and of course to stuff myself with
those round marzipan Mozart morsels [I can't remember what they're called
... Mozartkulgen, somethin' like that]. I'm a marzipan head!
All the best to angel-voiced Marian!
WallyK
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:41:40 EST
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Subject: Re: the infamous bracelet/3 waitresses
Yes, Mark
I, too, am very interested about the bracelet and the potential 3 waitresses.
I'll be looking at the album cover as soon as I hit the door.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:41:22 EST
From: TerryM2442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni Dream
In a message dated 11/16/98 11:59:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
codeb@duncanmccachen.com writes:
<< The spirits then told me to say something about my relationship with my
father and I would appear on the film version of this show. I didn't. >>
Und dis eez zee problem, sonny. You fess up, you get ze prize. But no, you
hold back. Next time, you tell ze lady about your fadder, no? Now tell me
about your mutter.
Dr. SigMondegreen
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:50:30 EST
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Changing my top joni songs
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
- --part0_911245830_boundary
Content-ID: <0_911245830@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
- --part0_911245830_boundary
Content-ID: <0_911245830@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2>
Content-type: message/rfc822
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
Content-disposition: inline
From: MHart16164@aol.com
Return-path:
To: jone@smoe.org
Subject: Re: Changing my top joni songs
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:35:51 EST
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
After my initial listening to TTT, I felt somewhat lukewarm.
But after seeing her play Happiness is the Best Facelift on the PPV special--I
love that song. It made me cry. So I think I'll have to move that song on up
to one of my very favs.
"This river runs between me and you"
- -M
NP: Better than Ezra--Porcelain
- --part0_911245830_boundary--
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:25:39 -0500 (EST)
From: bg26140@binghamton.edu
Subject: Joni on learning channel?
Sue,
You said that you saw Joni on some Learning channel special, "Legends" it
was called? Do you happen to know if this will be repeated anytime? Or
is it worth searching for? I'm like a scavenger or a nomad looking for
anything Joni.
Eric
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:57:22 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Re: Marian Unplugged
Good luck Marian.
Wow them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> 11/16 7:56 pm >>>
Just in case there are some other Austrian JMDL members I don't know
about, I wanted to let you all know that I'll be doing an evening of
Joni Mitchell songs at
Unplugged
Liechtensteinstr. 61
1090 Vienna
on: Monday, 30th November
from: 8-10 p.m. (approx.)
Entrance is free.
The place is kind of a dive, but the owner seems really nice. It is a
bar with a limited assortment of food, so you should probably eat dinner
beforehand.
I've been preparing for this for the last month and a half. It has been
really fun working out which songs to sing and learning some new tunes.
I'm planning to play at least one song from every album, plus a few
additional favorites of mine from For the Roses, Hejira and Night Ride
Home.
It's exciting to have a performance to prepare for, but also a little
scary! Wish me luck!
Marian
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:01:47 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing...
Believe me, you will be totally blown away by it! It really changed my life
when I first heard it last December!
At 11:46 AM -0500 11/16/98, Dreamzvill@aol.com wrote:
> Mark-
> OK, so as soon as I GET a copy of Hejira, I'll let you know if I see those
> mystery items! I'm especially interested in the penis on the bracelet. :)
>
> Love, Susan C.
___________________________________
| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua |
| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
|_________________________________|
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:46:13 +0100
From: "Winfried Hühn"
Subject: NJC -- Clinton's decision not bomb Iraq
I know many folks don't like daily politics on the list, so I'm gonna
try to keep this one brief.
I just wanna express my regard for President Clinton's decision to
refrain from bombing Iraq after receiving their back-down letter.
Apparently, he's taking some criticism for it, but it definitely was the
right thing to do. Causing "collateral damage" (the word sucks -- it
means killing innocent civilians) is never acceptable when there are
other equally effective and less damaging means to achieve one's goal.
Say what you will about Clinton's private integrity (not of our
business) -- the USA has a prudent and responsible man at the top of
its executive branch.
Winfried
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:50:15 EST
From: RickieLee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Marian Unplugged
In a message dated 98-11-16 you wrote:
<<
It's exciting to have a performance to prepare for, but also a little
scary! Wish me luck!
>>
you'll do great marian! be sure to post to the list and let us know how it
went.
love, ric
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:50:22 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing...
Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Relax girl - it's okay to like male and female anatomy and believe me, even NICE girls do.
>>> 11/17 3:32 am >>>
No, really, Jerry....I'm a NICE girl...!
Susan
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:25:40 +1000
From: t3100171@student.anu.edu.au (Mark-Leon Thorne)
Subject: Re: JONI'S BIRTHDAY CARD
Wally,
Love the card. Although I'm new to the list, I like to think my sentiments
are included. Thanks Wally for creating a very thoughtful card.
Mark,
Canberra
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:31:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Sue
Subject: Re: Joni on learning channel?
Eric wrote:
>You said that you saw Joni on some Learning channel special, "Legends" it
>was called? Do you happen to know if this will be repeated anytime?
Just to clarify for everyone on the list who has asked...The Legends show
on The Learning Channel sometime early Sunday morning was not ABOUT Joni,
rather she was one of many musical guests commenting on the likes of
Joplin, Hendricks, Morrison, etc. Has anyone tried to see if TLC has a
website that could be searched for reruns????
Take care~
Sue Cameron (Suze)
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:37:24 +1000
From: Mark-Leon Thorne
Subject: PPV Special in Oz.
Hi all.
I was just wondering if anyone would take pity on us poor schmucks in the
antipodes who didn't get the Joni PPV special at all and sell/send me a
copy. Can we arrange something? I am dying to see what you're all talking
about. I feel like a priest with a pornographic watch reading all this
excitement and not being able to see what you're all talking about. Please
help.
Mark.
Canberra.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:54:55 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: Marian Unplugged
Marian wrote:
> Just in case there are some other Austrian JMDL members I don't know
> about, I wanted to let you all know that I'll be doing an evening of
> Joni Mitchell songs
GOOD LUCK in your performance! I'll be there in spirit!
Dare I ask? Will you be recording?
Lori
San Antonio
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:05:32 -0300
From: "wallykai"
Subject: RE: Marian Unplugged NJC
Dare I ask? Will you be recording? Wrote Lori, to which I add:
Please say you will, Marian! I, for one, would love to have a tape of your
concert.
WallyK
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:25:00 -0800
From: "Kakki"
Subject: Re: Marian Unplugged
>Just in case there are some other Austrian JMDL members I don't know
>about, I wanted to let you all know that I'll be doing an evening of
>Joni Mitchell songs at
>
> Unplugged
Marian,
I know you will do great and will really enjoy the experience. It helps to
have friends in the audience on the first time out, too. You are full of
talent in every way and I'm so glad for you. I only wish we could be there
in the audience!
Can't wait to hear about your debut gig!
Kakki
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:43:46 EST
From: LRFye@aol.com
Subject: Re: Missing Hissing SJC
On 11/8, Howard M wrote:
> I am Missing the disc for Hissing of Summer Lawns. I have the case and
> the book but not the CD itself.
>
> Panic in Needle Park.
It must have been the same day that I discovered that I'm missing my Hejira
CD! I have the case and the book ...
Lori
Still sad in San Antonio
NP: FTR (the album), for the third time in a row
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:03:19 +0000
From: catman
Subject: NJC SHOOTING STARS
- --
CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html
TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:03:56 +0000
From: catman
Subject: NJC SHOOTING STARS
For the first time in my life I saw shooting stars blaze across the sky
tonight. it was awsome and a bit spooky. It was the debris from last
years comet that flew close to earth. really exciting.
- --
CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html
TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS
http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:49:28 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: RE: Marian Unplugged
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:58:08 -0800
From: Al.Date@Eng.Sun.COM (Al Date)
Marian,
Thanks for the kind words, but all credit goes to you and Joni Mitchell.
And thanks to Terry for recounting your Incredible Experiences in Detroit!
I'm glad I wasn't there, as I surely would've lost my composure, frozen up
or otherwise blown it completely.
- --Al Date
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:50:47 -0700
From: Bounced Message
Subject: Joni To My Ears
From: "Gerald Hillman"
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:27:31 -0600
It happened today at 11:38 am. I heard for the first time a track from
TTT on the radio. I had just started my car, and Taming The Tiger (the
song, not the whole album) was playing on CBC Radio 1. When the song
finished, the announcer, Avril Benoit, commented very positively on the
album and the paintings, stating that people should put it on their
Christmas lists for the cat lovers. I don't recall the adjectives she
used, but they were all positive, and I'd bet Miss Benoit is a fan. I
was pleased to know that she was looking at the album, and not just a
promo copy for The Crazy Cries of Love. She segued into an interview
with Courtney Milne - who is promoting his book called, "Images of the
Goddess" - by saying she was looking at the paintings on Joni Mitchell's
new album, TTT, and she was sure she was seeing goddesses. She then
commented that he (C. Milne) and Joni were both from Saskatoon. Mr.
Milne stated that he and Joni had gone to school during the same era.
(He didn't use the term; classmate.)
Also, last week, while in a mall, I found myself singing (in my head)
along to the muzak that was playing overhead. It was one of those
moments where your conscious mind takes note of your subconscious mind.
I realized I was singing (in my head - don't want you to think I was
singing out loud in the mall) the lyrics to Goodbye Pork Pie Hat. I
guess it was actually Charles that I was listening to, but... you know
what I mean.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 01:34:26 -0500 (EST)
From: some millers
Subject: village voice/nyc
howdy-
just back from a weekend in nyc -- great place to visit, but....
anyway, noticed a review of jm's ttt/msg in the current issue of the village
voice. you can find it on the net at this address:
http://www.villagevoice.com/arts/9846/anderson.shtml
while some of you were doing all jm sunday, we were doing the museum of
modern art(moma). absolutely awesome collection of
paintings/photos/sculpture. unfortunately, i've heard that moma is on the
verge of dropping vincent from the exhibited collection. something about no
longer being "modern"?! ironically, notwithstanding the droves going to see
the jackson pollack retrospective, the biggest viewing logjam i experienced
during my hours there occurred in front of "starry night."
in what could be construed as my own sunday with jm, i was clad in my
"facelift" t-shirt for the first time during the moma outing. (for those
not lucky enough to have been at the recent concerts (i was in syracuse
11/2), the "facelift" t-shirt is simply solid black with very minimal white
text on the back: "happiness is the best facelift." with jm's name in even
smaller font below.) it was great to experience the reactions of several
folks at moma to jm's simple/profound statement. even one of the security
guards in the jp exhibit came up to me and asked me about it while he wrote
it down.
don't know about anybody else, but i'll be keeping jm in heart/soul/mind
this thanksgiving especially. here's hoping jm finds peaceful refuge from
the road.
hasta luego y buenas noches,
paul
s.bethlehem, ny
np wilco "being there"... i got you (at the end of the century)
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 98 07:11:41 GMT
From: kg@ibm.net (Kenny Grant)
Subject: Facelift T-Shirt
Hey Paul,
Thanks for the link to the Village Voice TTT review!
I was jealous when I read about your Facelift T-Shirt and the reactions to it.
I really wanted to get one, but they were not sold at Madison Square Garden
(they must have replenished the supply for the following night in Syracuse.) I
believe there's a bunch of us on the list who weren't able to get that shirt.
There was mention a while back that Wally's site might become authorized to
sell things like official T-shirts. Wally, if that comes to pass, I think the
Facelift T-Shirt may be a real good seller, and please regard this email as my
advance order!
-Kenny
On 11/17/98 some millers wrote:
in what could be construed as my own sunday with jm, i was clad in my
"facelift" t-shirt for the first time during the moma outing. (for those
not lucky enough to have been at the recent concerts (i was in syracuse
11/2), the "facelift" t-shirt is simply solid black with very minimal white
text on the back: "happiness is the best facelift." with jm's name in even
smaller font below.) it was great to experience the reactions of several
folks at moma to jm's simple/profound statement. even one of the security
guards in the jp exhibit came up to me and asked me about it while he wrote
it down.
hasta luego y buenas noches,
paul
s.bethlehem, ny
np wilco "being there"... i got you (at the end of the century)
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:18:06 -0500 (EST)
From: some millers
Subject: lefty/righty results (njc?)
to those of you that responded to my inquiry regarding "handedness", thanks.
here are the results according to my count gleaned from the past few weeks
of posts:
total number of jmdl'ers reponding .... 41
those declaring right handedness .... 24 (59%)
those declaring left handedness .... 14 (34%)
those declaring ambidexterity .... 3 ( 7%)
with "no apologies" to the professional quant jocks reading this, imho, it
seems that we have a more than "normal" concentration of lefties present
among the jmdl flock/tribe. i.e., the normal finding is that only one in
nine (or 11% of the population) is left-handed. however, far be it from me
to publically assign any deeper meaning to this apparent finding. thanks
again to all who helped in this whimsical statistical study.
buenas noches,
paul
s.bethlehem, ny
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 02:53:12 EST
From: FredNow@aol.com
Subject: Re: guitar lessons (NJC)
In a message dated 11/16/98 2:04:24 AM, docnurse@voy.net wrote:
>Thanks, BTW, a question for our guitarists
>out here. Is 50.00 per month for 4 half hour
>sessions a reasonable fee for a beginner?
Seems reasonable to me. You really get what you pay for. $5 an hour will
(usually) get you Burger King. My advice: get the best possible teacher you
can afford.
- -Fred
------------------------------
End of JMDL Digest V3 #480
**************************
Don't forget about these ongoing projects:
FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related
questions? -send them to
Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to
Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact?
-send it to
-------
Post messages to the list at
Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to
-------
Siquomb, isn't she?