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JMDL Digest Monday, November 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 479
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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Re: Urge for Going words [David Wright ]
guitar lessons (NJC) [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)]
Dream she had awake [Sue ]
Re: guitar lessons (NJC) ["Marsha" ]
Re: guitar lessons (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ]
3 waitresses all wearing... [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... [IVPAUL42@aol.com]
Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... [Mark Domyancich ]
Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... [Mark Domyancich ]
Anyone see her at "Stormy Weather" benefit in LA @ the Wiltern? ["Jennif]
The Joni addict in the neighborhood ["Marsha" ]
Jane rawks no matter what anyone says... [Marilune@aol.com]
Joni in December GUITAR magazine [mann@chicagonet.net]
Sweet Joni [Marian Rulewski ]
GUITAR Magazine & Modern Musicians Joni likes [mann@chicagonet.net]
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:22:24 +0000
From: David Wright
Subject: Re: Urge for Going words
Bernadette Gallagher wrote:
>
>I vote WITH for 'getting out', but disagree with
>"I'll ply": I think it's "apply". She's pulling the blankets
>up, talking to someone else.
I'd say it has to be "I'll ply," because grammatically speaking, one plies
with (as in the song), but applies *to*. "Apply" would have to be used in
the sense of "Apply kindling *to* the fire now." "Apply the fire with
kindling" suggests that Joni is handing someone a flaming torch and
inciting them to set something (perhaps an ex-boyfriend's house?) on fire.
I'm most familiar with a version of this song by a very good, formerly
Denver-based folk singer/songwriter, Carla Sciaky.
- --David
P.S. I *do* believe that general grammatical usage should (and inevitably
does) dictate convention, not the other way around, but I don't think Joni
intended to create a new usage in this song.
NP: _Gaelic Psalmody Recital, vol. 1_ (from the Isle of Lewis)
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:44:39 +1100 (EST)
From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)
Subject: guitar lessons (NJC)
<>
Marsha
That sounds a bit steep to me!
Here in Aus the going rate is $5-10 an hour
I think any budding guitarist is much better off finding someone to
jam with . You can come over to my place if you want :)
Personally, I refuse to take money for teaching music skills.I just
think music belongs to everyone and if you can help someone along then
your soul will be the better for it.
Later
Michael
np kids and nintendo
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:29:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Sue
Subject: Dream she had awake
Listers,
My husband is gone hunting this weekend. I fell asleep with the light of
the blue TV screen, watching some educational show on The Learning Channel.
I forgot to set the timer, so when I rolled over at 1:00 A.M.. (time
approximate due to writer of this post still being half asleep) and who do
I see? Joni Mitchell, acoustic guitar cradled in her lap, cigarette cupped
in her right hand, talking about rock and roll legends. I woke up long
enough to realize that the show was called Legends. All Joni all Sunday
had begun for me.
Sue Cameron (Suze)
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:49:09 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: Re: guitar lessons (NJC)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael
To: Joni List J
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 3:48 AM
Subject: guitar lessons (NJC)
Michael tells the going rate for pick/grin lessons down under:
>Here in Aus the going rate is $5-10 an hour
>I think any budding guitarist is much better off finding someone to
>jam with . You can come over to my place if you want :)
>Personally, I refuse to take money for teaching music skills.I just
>think music belongs to everyone and if you can help someone along then
>your soul will be the better for it.
Thanks, Michael.
This is interesting. So far the rates I've been quoted are:
Los Angeles-- 25 to 50 bucks for half hour sessions
Buenos Aires--- 60 and up!
Knoxvegas--- 12.50
Coolangatta with Michael--- free!
What do others pay? MarkyMark, Mariana?
Marsha, trying to work on an All Joni Sunday post, but failed....
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:46:59 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: guitar lessons (NJC)
I have never taken lessons before-basically everything I needed to know
about the guitar I learned from my brother (Sounds like that kindergarten
poster!). My brother took lessons and I think he paid somewhere between $5
to about $7.50 for half-hour sessions once a week, so about $20 a month.
How good is your teacher? I think the pricing may be based on how good the
teacher is.
MarkyMark, who if he played along with all-Joni-Sunday, he'd be bitching
about some lyric I couldn't understand (So he'll avoid it!) :-)
At 10:49 AM -0500 11/15/98, Marsha wrote:
>What do others pay? MarkyMark, Mariana?
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:30:04 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: 3 waitresses all wearing...
Following in the footsteps of JulieZW, I've came (No pun intended) across
something that may have shown up on this list before.
If you look really hard on the back side of the liner notes, you can see
what looks like 3 people all wearing black (Or some dark color) walking
towards that little island on the side. At first I thought it was one of
those icefishing houses!
But if you look on the back of the CD, those people are gone! Crazy, crazy,
crazy!
MarkyMark
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| Mark Domyancich |
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:54:43 EST
From: IVPAUL42@aol.com
Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing...
In a message dated 11/15/98 3:32:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Harpua@revealed.net writes:
<< Following in the footsteps of JulieZW, I've came (No pun intended) across
something that may have shown up on this list before.
If you look really hard on the back side of the liner notes, you can see
what looks like 3 people all wearing black (Or some dark color) walking
towards that little island on the side. At first I thought it was one of
those icefishing houses!
But if you look on the back of the CD, those people are gone! Crazy, crazy,
crazy! >>
Can anyone tell me what the heck he is talking about? What CD?
"Splain urself, Mark.
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:25:59 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing...
Remember when Julie was talking about how Joni's copper bracelet outlined a
penis on the cover of Hejira? Well, I found out something else on the cover.
At 3:54 PM -0500 11/15/98, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote:
>Can anyone tell me what the heck he is talking about? What CD?
>"Splain urself, Mark.
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| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua |
| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:34:09 -0600
From: Mark Domyancich
Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing...
BTW, I have no idea if the bracelet is copper or whatever! Sorry about that.
MarkyMark
At 3:25 PM -0600 11/15/98, Mark Domyancich wrote:
>Remember when Julie was talking about how Joni's copper bracelet outlined a
>penis on the cover of Hejira? Well, I found out something else on the cover.
___________________________________
| Mark Domyancich |
| Harpua@revealed.net |
| http://home.revealed.net/Harpua |
| http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark |
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:05:47 -0800
From: "Jennifer Jew"
Subject: Anyone see her at "Stormy Weather" benefit in LA @ the Wiltern?
just curious to exchange opinions with others who may have seen her....what
you thought of her performance, as well as the others' performances and the
general nature of the event.
thanks for any feedback.
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 18:46:07 -0500
From: "Marsha"
Subject: The Joni addict in the neighborhood
That same phenomenon of folks saving anything about
Joni in print for us occurred today. While in the grocery
store this evening I hardly recognized one of my new
neighbors (outside her yard), and we chatted a moment
at the nachos, and she asked about my T shirt (Joni's
TI), and listened with feigned interest about my meeting
Siquomb last weekend and then said she saved a
half-section article in our local paper for me that has
the B/W ciggy pose and the Boston article.
Marsha, reputation spreadin' like wildfire in them thar hills
(all-joni-sunday-achieved)
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:25:07 EST
From: Marilune@aol.com
Subject: Jane rawks no matter what anyone says...
just went running up and down the 3rd street promenade looking for a book for
my American Studies class. finally found it and the good thing is, it looks
interesting and is relatively short. WELL, while i was up at the bookstore, i
picked up some new books to read (Anne Rice and Francesca Lia Block, best
authors ever) and Jane magazine. Well on the letters page of Jane, this is
what it says:
"In case you haven't noticed, Janet Jackson was the first musician to grace
the cover of Jane. It wasn't a hard choice to make. The critics had been
doggin' her for months, and you know how we love a good underdog. Evidently,
you love her, too--Janet clones banded together, arms metaphorically linked,
and stormed our precious little mail room. Come to think of it, Chastity Bono
also got proprs. Even ranks of Joni Mitchell defenders made themselves heard,
despite the fact that her new record sucks. Well, that's showbiz for ya!"
i love Jane and think it's the best magazine out there. it's really positive
and wonderful. please don't trash Jane. but then, you have the right to do it
and i have the right to cry about it, JUST LIKE Jane has a right to trash Joni
and you have the rght to cry about it. keep that in mind while flaming my
fave. mag.
- -mariana
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:57:56 -0600
From: mann@chicagonet.net
Subject: Joni in December GUITAR magazine
Has anyone mentioned yet the Joni article in December GUITAR
magazine? If so, I missed it.....sorry! I found this mag at Best
Buy tonight. Ours now has a whole section on magazines. Are
all Best Buy's now selling books and magazines? It's odd...but
they sell some magazines that places like Crown Books don't
carry...so it's convienant. Also picked-up 3 CDs while I was there:
Lucinda Williams, Lauryn Hill, and James Taylor's Mud Slide Slim..
never heard the song on their with Joni. Will be listening to these
this week. So much talk on here about Lucinda and Lauryn I just
had to see what it's all about!
Back to the GUITAR article:
There is a one page interview with Joni on page 12. Very interesting
article. Here's some of it:
Interviewer: You were stricken with polio at age nine and continue to
battle symptoms. Is that what's kept you off the road in recent years?
Joni: I had body pain. the weight of the guitar, even an acoustic
guitar,
was painful. Since then, I've gotten this wafer-thin guitar that
doesn't
pull my shoulder out. It's red cedar, the lightest wood possible, and
weighs 2 and a half pounds. It's feather-light and no burden
whatsoever.
Interviewer: Many contemporary songwriters credit you with inspiring,
if
not shaping, their music. Whose praise has meant the most to you?
Joni: I take my honor not so much from my peers but from my fans who
aren't to intimidated to express themselves and articulate their
stories.
That's more interesting than industry honors. I'm always flattered when
Bobby (Dylan) likes a song I'm doing. He and Miles Davis are my pace
runners, Miles for music, Bobby for lyrics. It seems like the most
astute compliments come from the black community. My favorite is from
Henry Butler, a blind piano player in New Orleans, who told me I made
genderless, raceless music.
She goes on to talk about Mingus, and her autobiography. It's worth
the short read!
Laura
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:03:47 +1000
From: Marian Rulewski
Subject: Sweet Joni
Sorry to waste the bandwidth but if Bernadette Gallagher could get back to me re: the song "Sweet Joni". Mail to your address keeps bouncing.
Thanks
**** Right now, I'm rollin' down the road
And the daylight will soon be breakin' ***
RunningDry
Lt. R-FLOW
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:25:32 -0600
From: mann@chicagonet.net
Subject: GUITAR Magazine & Modern Musicians Joni likes
Just an interesting note:
I can't remember who... but someone on the list expressed
that they wished Joni would just come out and say who
she liked to listen to.......on the radio for example.
I happened to notice that the author of the December
GUITAR magazine interview, Edna Gundersen, also
has 2 more Joni articles in the USA Today 9/29/98
issue (found this on Les' site) and proceeded to
read them. In one of these articles she says:
Q: In the title track, you label current music "genuine junk food for
juveniles."
A: When I wrote that, I thought contemporary music standards had dropped
off a cliff. I'd leave the dial set on a station for two days
and try to find something good and I couldn't. I do like Sheryl Crow,
who's self-sufficient, and Bjork, a fiery little thing........
So there ya go. Joni likes Sheryl Crow and Bjork....and had no problem
telling Edna.
Just a little FYI for y'all!
Laura
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