From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V3 #479 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, November 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 479 The Joni Tour Pages: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Tour98.html http://www.jmdl.com/articles/tour98.htm ------- JoniFest 1999 is coming! Reserve your spot with a $25 fee. Send a blank message to info-jonifest1999@jmdl.com for more info. ------- The Official 1998 Joni Mitchell Internet Community Shirts are available now. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/ for all the details. ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Urge for Going words [David Wright ] guitar lessons (NJC) [michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael)] Dream she had awake [Sue ] Re: guitar lessons (NJC) ["Marsha" ] Re: guitar lessons (NJC) [Mark Domyancich ] 3 waitresses all wearing... [Mark Domyancich ] Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... [Mark Domyancich ] Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... [Mark Domyancich ] Anyone see her at "Stormy Weather" benefit in LA @ the Wiltern? ["Jennif] The Joni addict in the neighborhood ["Marsha" ] Jane rawks no matter what anyone says... [Marilune@aol.com] Joni in December GUITAR magazine [mann@chicagonet.net] Sweet Joni [Marian Rulewski ] GUITAR Magazine & Modern Musicians Joni likes [mann@chicagonet.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:22:24 +0000 From: David Wright Subject: Re: Urge for Going words Bernadette Gallagher wrote: > >I vote WITH for 'getting out', but disagree with >"I'll ply": I think it's "apply". She's pulling the blankets >up, talking to someone else. I'd say it has to be "I'll ply," because grammatically speaking, one plies with (as in the song), but applies *to*. "Apply" would have to be used in the sense of "Apply kindling *to* the fire now." "Apply the fire with kindling" suggests that Joni is handing someone a flaming torch and inciting them to set something (perhaps an ex-boyfriend's house?) on fire. I'm most familiar with a version of this song by a very good, formerly Denver-based folk singer/songwriter, Carla Sciaky. - --David P.S. I *do* believe that general grammatical usage should (and inevitably does) dictate convention, not the other way around, but I don't think Joni intended to create a new usage in this song. NP: _Gaelic Psalmody Recital, vol. 1_ (from the Isle of Lewis) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:44:39 +1100 (EST) From: michaelb@coolgold.com.au (Michael) Subject: guitar lessons (NJC) <> Marsha That sounds a bit steep to me! Here in Aus the going rate is $5-10 an hour I think any budding guitarist is much better off finding someone to jam with . You can come over to my place if you want :) Personally, I refuse to take money for teaching music skills.I just think music belongs to everyone and if you can help someone along then your soul will be the better for it. Later Michael np kids and nintendo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) From: Sue Subject: Dream she had awake Listers, My husband is gone hunting this weekend. I fell asleep with the light of the blue TV screen, watching some educational show on The Learning Channel. I forgot to set the timer, so when I rolled over at 1:00 A.M.. (time approximate due to writer of this post still being half asleep) and who do I see? Joni Mitchell, acoustic guitar cradled in her lap, cigarette cupped in her right hand, talking about rock and roll legends. I woke up long enough to realize that the show was called Legends. All Joni all Sunday had begun for me. Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:49:09 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: Re: guitar lessons (NJC) - -----Original Message----- From: Michael To: Joni List J Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 3:48 AM Subject: guitar lessons (NJC) Michael tells the going rate for pick/grin lessons down under: >Here in Aus the going rate is $5-10 an hour >I think any budding guitarist is much better off finding someone to >jam with . You can come over to my place if you want :) >Personally, I refuse to take money for teaching music skills.I just >think music belongs to everyone and if you can help someone along then >your soul will be the better for it. Thanks, Michael. This is interesting. So far the rates I've been quoted are: Los Angeles-- 25 to 50 bucks for half hour sessions Buenos Aires--- 60 and up! Knoxvegas--- 12.50 Coolangatta with Michael--- free! What do others pay? MarkyMark, Mariana? Marsha, trying to work on an All Joni Sunday post, but failed.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:46:59 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: guitar lessons (NJC) I have never taken lessons before-basically everything I needed to know about the guitar I learned from my brother (Sounds like that kindergarten poster!). My brother took lessons and I think he paid somewhere between $5 to about $7.50 for half-hour sessions once a week, so about $20 a month. How good is your teacher? I think the pricing may be based on how good the teacher is. MarkyMark, who if he played along with all-Joni-Sunday, he'd be bitching about some lyric I couldn't understand (So he'll avoid it!) :-) At 10:49 AM -0500 11/15/98, Marsha wrote: >What do others pay? MarkyMark, Mariana? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 14:30:04 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: 3 waitresses all wearing... Following in the footsteps of JulieZW, I've came (No pun intended) across something that may have shown up on this list before. If you look really hard on the back side of the liner notes, you can see what looks like 3 people all wearing black (Or some dark color) walking towards that little island on the side. At first I thought it was one of those icefishing houses! But if you look on the back of the CD, those people are gone! Crazy, crazy, crazy! MarkyMark ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:54:43 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... In a message dated 11/15/98 3:32:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Following in the footsteps of JulieZW, I've came (No pun intended) across something that may have shown up on this list before. If you look really hard on the back side of the liner notes, you can see what looks like 3 people all wearing black (Or some dark color) walking towards that little island on the side. At first I thought it was one of those icefishing houses! But if you look on the back of the CD, those people are gone! Crazy, crazy, crazy! >> Can anyone tell me what the heck he is talking about? What CD? "Splain urself, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:25:59 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... Remember when Julie was talking about how Joni's copper bracelet outlined a penis on the cover of Hejira? Well, I found out something else on the cover. At 3:54 PM -0500 11/15/98, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >Can anyone tell me what the heck he is talking about? What CD? >"Splain urself, Mark. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:34:09 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: 3 waitresses all wearing... BTW, I have no idea if the bracelet is copper or whatever! Sorry about that. MarkyMark At 3:25 PM -0600 11/15/98, Mark Domyancich wrote: >Remember when Julie was talking about how Joni's copper bracelet outlined a >penis on the cover of Hejira? Well, I found out something else on the cover. ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/mark | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:05:47 -0800 From: "Jennifer Jew" Subject: Anyone see her at "Stormy Weather" benefit in LA @ the Wiltern? just curious to exchange opinions with others who may have seen her....what you thought of her performance, as well as the others' performances and the general nature of the event. thanks for any feedback. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 18:46:07 -0500 From: "Marsha" Subject: The Joni addict in the neighborhood That same phenomenon of folks saving anything about Joni in print for us occurred today. While in the grocery store this evening I hardly recognized one of my new neighbors (outside her yard), and we chatted a moment at the nachos, and she asked about my T shirt (Joni's TI), and listened with feigned interest about my meeting Siquomb last weekend and then said she saved a half-section article in our local paper for me that has the B/W ciggy pose and the Boston article. Marsha, reputation spreadin' like wildfire in them thar hills (all-joni-sunday-achieved) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:25:07 EST From: Marilune@aol.com Subject: Jane rawks no matter what anyone says... just went running up and down the 3rd street promenade looking for a book for my American Studies class. finally found it and the good thing is, it looks interesting and is relatively short. WELL, while i was up at the bookstore, i picked up some new books to read (Anne Rice and Francesca Lia Block, best authors ever) and Jane magazine. Well on the letters page of Jane, this is what it says: "In case you haven't noticed, Janet Jackson was the first musician to grace the cover of Jane. It wasn't a hard choice to make. The critics had been doggin' her for months, and you know how we love a good underdog. Evidently, you love her, too--Janet clones banded together, arms metaphorically linked, and stormed our precious little mail room. Come to think of it, Chastity Bono also got proprs. Even ranks of Joni Mitchell defenders made themselves heard, despite the fact that her new record sucks. Well, that's showbiz for ya!" i love Jane and think it's the best magazine out there. it's really positive and wonderful. please don't trash Jane. but then, you have the right to do it and i have the right to cry about it, JUST LIKE Jane has a right to trash Joni and you have the rght to cry about it. keep that in mind while flaming my fave. mag. - -mariana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:57:56 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni in December GUITAR magazine Has anyone mentioned yet the Joni article in December GUITAR magazine? If so, I missed it.....sorry! I found this mag at Best Buy tonight. Ours now has a whole section on magazines. Are all Best Buy's now selling books and magazines? It's odd...but they sell some magazines that places like Crown Books don't carry...so it's convienant. Also picked-up 3 CDs while I was there: Lucinda Williams, Lauryn Hill, and James Taylor's Mud Slide Slim.. never heard the song on their with Joni. Will be listening to these this week. So much talk on here about Lucinda and Lauryn I just had to see what it's all about! Back to the GUITAR article: There is a one page interview with Joni on page 12. Very interesting article. Here's some of it: Interviewer: You were stricken with polio at age nine and continue to battle symptoms. Is that what's kept you off the road in recent years? Joni: I had body pain. the weight of the guitar, even an acoustic guitar, was painful. Since then, I've gotten this wafer-thin guitar that doesn't pull my shoulder out. It's red cedar, the lightest wood possible, and weighs 2 and a half pounds. It's feather-light and no burden whatsoever. Interviewer: Many contemporary songwriters credit you with inspiring, if not shaping, their music. Whose praise has meant the most to you? Joni: I take my honor not so much from my peers but from my fans who aren't to intimidated to express themselves and articulate their stories. That's more interesting than industry honors. I'm always flattered when Bobby (Dylan) likes a song I'm doing. He and Miles Davis are my pace runners, Miles for music, Bobby for lyrics. It seems like the most astute compliments come from the black community. My favorite is from Henry Butler, a blind piano player in New Orleans, who told me I made genderless, raceless music. She goes on to talk about Mingus, and her autobiography. It's worth the short read! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:03:47 +1000 From: Marian Rulewski Subject: Sweet Joni Sorry to waste the bandwidth but if Bernadette Gallagher could get back to me re: the song "Sweet Joni". Mail to your address keeps bouncing. Thanks **** Right now, I'm rollin' down the road And the daylight will soon be breakin' *** RunningDry Lt. R-FLOW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:25:32 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: GUITAR Magazine & Modern Musicians Joni likes Just an interesting note: I can't remember who... but someone on the list expressed that they wished Joni would just come out and say who she liked to listen to.......on the radio for example. I happened to notice that the author of the December GUITAR magazine interview, Edna Gundersen, also has 2 more Joni articles in the USA Today 9/29/98 issue (found this on Les' site) and proceeded to read them. In one of these articles she says: Q: In the title track, you label current music "genuine junk food for juveniles." A: When I wrote that, I thought contemporary music standards had dropped off a cliff. I'd leave the dial set on a station for two days and try to find something good and I couldn't. I do like Sheryl Crow, who's self-sufficient, and Bjork, a fiery little thing........ So there ya go. Joni likes Sheryl Crow and Bjork....and had no problem telling Edna. Just a little FYI for y'all! Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V3 #479 ************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?